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Electrolux Canister Motor Pre-Filter?
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Post# 164855   1/5/2012 at 19:49 (3,015 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Hi, everyone.

Just a quick question about the filters on Electrolux tanks. I was wondering if these vacs are supposed to have a motor pre-filter at the bottom of the bag compartment?

I picked up an Ultralux (80th Anniversary model) tank recently and just noticed it doesn't have any sort of filter inside the bag compartment. Yes, there is a post filter on the top, but nothing inside.

I was going to buy one online, but quick look around the online vac shops and I don't see anyone selling any filter like this. Which is why I'm confused.

Both my Electrolux Epic 3500 and Prolux uprights have a black foam filter just before the motor. Should my Electrolux tank have the same?

And if so, where do I buy them?

Thanks!





Post# 164860 , Reply# 1   1/5/2012 at 20:45 (3,015 days old) by kirbee ()        
stop searching,

There is no pre motor filter on lux canisters.
Ann


Post# 164897 , Reply# 2   1/6/2012 at 10:11 (3,015 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Elux filters

On the canisters there sort of is and isn't a pre filter.Since the early 50s when you change the self sealing bag you also change the 3 filter layers inside.With the upright vertical layout and dirt going up,over and down to bag there is more chance of dirt going around and under bag.Also chance of bag tearing when lifted upward.The filter should be used on upright if not already present but not really needed on canister.

Post# 164904 , Reply# 3   1/6/2012 at 11:36 (3,015 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Thanks...

Thank you for letting me know. Now that I know that nothing's missing, I threw a new bag into the Ultralux and gave it a spin. I like it a lot! I think it will be one of my favorites. It seems like a great vac. I wasn't sure if I'd like the Electrolux tanks or not, but now I think they're fabulous.

Thanks!


Post# 164934 , Reply# 4   1/6/2012 at 17:04 (3,014 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Khoi:

As you get more familiar with Electroluxes and their instruction manuals, you'll see that Electrolux always stressed the importance of using Electrolux bags. That is because aftermarket bags used to be of inconsistent quality; they're much better nowadays.

A canister with a pre-filter could handle a bursting bag, but an Electrolux couldn't, so that's why they were so concerned with bag quality. The Electrolux warranty used to specify that it was void if non-Electrolux bags were used.


Post# 164935 , Reply# 5   1/6/2012 at 17:06 (3,014 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.S., Khoi:

I have NEVER had an Electrolux bag burst, and I've been using their vacs off and on - mostly on - since 1973. I have used hundreds, if not thousands, of their bags over the years.

Post# 164985 , Reply# 6   1/7/2012 at 05:05 (3,014 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Electrolux Tanks

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To me.....Not only do Electrolux's have the easiest bag system (completely idiot proof) but the bags are cheaper than any other vacuum brands (especially the aftermarket bags)... I got a case of 100 4 ply bags for 35.00 for my Epic 6500. I can literally change a bag every single time I vacuum (but I don't). I end up using my Rainbow most of the time. If you look at other aftermarket bags for other vacuum brands, they are not as cheap. When I had my Kenmore canister I could never find anything close to that price on bags.

Post# 165011 , Reply# 7   1/7/2012 at 11:09 (3,014 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Aftermarket bags....

Yeah, I picked up a 25 bag lot of aftermarket bags for my Prolux and Epic 3500 uprights off of the bay. Good deal. I've been eyeing the 100 bag lot but haven't seen the price dip to $35. I'll keep an eye out for that.

What do you think about DVC brand bags for the Electrolux tank? I went to the vac repair shop and the owner sold be a 12 pack for $14. Later I ran across an unopened 12 pack of DVC bags that look like they're from the 80's. Bought those.

Haven't looked too closely at the newer bags, but the older DVC's indicate that the bags have triple lining inside. Are these decent bags?


Post# 165057 , Reply# 8   1/7/2012 at 19:41 (3,013 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        
Do you

Do you guys recommend Genuine home solution Aerus bags? Or other bags are better than Aerus?

Post# 165736 , Reply# 9   1/12/2012 at 18:10 (3,008 days old) by Louvac (A)        
I sell Electrolux Bags!

I will sell Lux bags to anyone who needs them. $28 plus shipping for Qty 25. $53 plus shipping for Qty 50.

 

 

These are DVC 4-layer bags and are just as good if not better than the original Electrolux bags. I have used them myself and have sold them to my small customer base without any problems! Theere are similar bags to these but beware-they may not be four layer! Mine are!

 

Shoot me an email if you would like to purchase some.

 

 


Post# 165818 , Reply# 10   1/13/2012 at 20:31 (3,007 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I have only used genuine Electrolux/Aerus paper bags in any Electrolux machine I have ever owned and I still use them in my Renaissance. The cost of the genuine bags is fairly reasonable, probably around a $1.50 per bag when you buy a box of 24 bags.

However, in my Electrolux machines that use the original "C" bags, I now will only use the Prefect Canister HEPA bags. They are a huge improvement over the traditional paper bags as they offer superior filtration and you can also really pack these HEPA bags with much more dirt before you ever notice a considerable loss in power. I highly recommend buying them if you use your Lux tank on a regular basis because they really are worth the higher cost. I just wish that they made the HEPA bags for the "R" style machines.


Post# 165824 , Reply# 11   1/13/2012 at 21:21 (3,007 days old) by sarasvacshack ()        
Perfect Canister HEPA bags

I was curious if the Perfect bags worked well in the plastic bodied lux canisters. I was worried they may restrict the air flow too much? Can you fill them all the way up like you can with the paper ones? Interested in getting real user experience with this as some of my Lux buyers are concerned about the lack of good filtration on the Lux units.

Post# 165838 , Reply# 12   1/14/2012 at 01:52 (3,007 days old) by Davinator1977 ()        
I like the 3m

These bags are actually made by Electrolux home care products. They are my favourite to use. I have also tried the hepa bags but i find they cut down the suction on the old machines


Post# 166008 , Reply# 13   1/16/2012 at 02:48 (3,005 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I have a friend that is a retired elux man and he said they took a generic 4 ply and genuine bag and cut them open. They found that inside they were the same bag, same quality etc. Myself I only use the genuine in my machines

Post# 166155 , Reply# 14   1/17/2012 at 14:12 (3,003 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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uLloyd, from my experience with the Perfect bags they do not reduce the airflow. If anything, they maintain the airflow much longer than the paper bags. I've been using them for close to a year now in my Epic 6000, the Diamond Jubilee that I have at my grandmothers house, and in the Lux Classic I bought for my bf's mom. The Aerus Lux Classic gets used the most out of every machine, usually twice a week, and you can really fill the bags. I tend to change them before the get really full since I have never let the bag in my Electrolux's get to full, or any other machine I own for that matter.

One other important thing I have noticed is the HEPA bags seem to cut down on that "old dirt smell" that is emitted from the machine. All machines that use a bag at one point or another, no matter what kind of bag or filter they use will inevitably emit this smell. However this smell comes much later with use of the HEPA bags.

I think I change the bag in the Classic about once every month to month and a half and at that point its usually about 3/4 of the way full. Keep in mind it is not the daily driver in the house, my bf's mom vacuums her wall to wall almost every day with her bagless Eureka Altima upright, and the Electrolux probably cleans this same carpet only once a week. To put it into perspective, there is w2w carpeting in only 2 rooms in the entire house, one of which is the living room/hallway at the front of the house and this carpet probably only equals about a 20x15ft span. The Lux pulls a lot of dirt out of this rug and we all know that Lux isnít the best at deep cleaning, but the majority of the dirt that fills the bag comes from what the Eureka has missed in the carpet. If I used paper bags, I wouldn't get as much out of the rug and I would probably go through 2 paper bags for every one HEPA bag in order to maintain the Classic's cleaning ability.


Post# 166177 , Reply# 15   1/17/2012 at 16:36 (3,003 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I bought a box of 100 DVC? bags ($35 on eBay) for Electrolux Model L & 1205 (Type C) & haven't noticed decrease in suction on either machine (although the 1205's suction decreases a bit, vs. the Model L's suction remains the same as the bag fills)

However, I manage to fill the bag until it's 3/4 full (before the month is halfway over & switching machines) Good thing I got the box of 100 Lux C bags! :)


Post# 166225 , Reply# 16   1/18/2012 at 00:52 (3,003 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Speaking of the Perfect hepa bags.........Does anyone who buys these know the best prices? I don't know why I'm asking! I have so many C paper bags it's ridiculous. I did cut into one because they are so cheap and they are four layers. I too wondered why my epic 6500 didn't have the pre motor filter. It just has the bag and the after filter on top. Does any dirt that escapes the bag go into the motor at all (like fine dust)? I haven't noticed any in the bag chamber as of yet.

Post# 166300 , Reply# 17   1/18/2012 at 19:39 (3,002 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Deep cleaning...

"...we all know that Lux isnít the best at deep cleaning."

Is this true of all Electrolux tanks? If so, is it due to lack of airflow, suction, or beater bars in the brushroll? I'm very new to Electrolux tanks and don't know too much about how they perform.

I'm liking my 80th Anniversary Ultralux tank so far. When I went over the same area of carpet with my commercial Sanitaire bagless, though, I got the distinct impression that it was sucking up some stuff the Ultralux had missed - sound of more grit and sand being sucked in. And doesn't the 80th Anniversary Ultralux have the more powerful motor that's used in the current Aerus models?

What's your opinion of Electrolux tanks and deep cleaning?

Good to know that the generic bags seem to be of the same quality as the real bags.

Thanks!


Post# 166337 , Reply# 18   1/19/2012 at 02:22 (3,002 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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Mark, the last time I purchased a box of Perfect HEPA bags they were around $18 from totalvac.com and each box contains 8 bags. There has never been a pre-motor filter in any Electrolux canister and while their bags do leak dust, they don't leak like a sieve. If you wipe out the inside of the bag compartment after changing the bag a few times you will notice a slight residue but it should be minor.

Electrolux power nozzles up until the past 4 years or so, did not have a brush roll that was aggressive enough to really dig down into carpeting. They would clean the surface well and if you used the machine daily you probably wouldn't have an issue with how well it deep cleaned. The latest style brush roll has an extra "turn" of bristles and this has lead to a huge improvement in cleaning ability over the previous brush roll that was used in all Electrolux machines for the past 15+ years. When it comes to Lux power nozzles they just dont have enough weight and previously didnt have the necessary air flow/suction power to clean some of todays dense modern carpeting. The more recent machines do have a stronger motor which is a great help but they still don't clean for example like a Miele. The only canister machines I have in my collection right now are Electrolux/Aerus tanks and while I do love them, I'd find it hard to buy one brand new knowing that I could purchase a Miele for the same price. If you have lots of bare floors and very little carpeting than a Lux canister would probably be a wonderful choice. However, if you have large amounts of wall to wall then a Miele would probably do a better job. But no matter how well a Miele cleans, for me you just cant beat the way a Lux tank can be steared around a house. The tanks for me are just much easier to manuever around furniture, through hallways, and over door jams than any Miele canister I've ever had. But this is just my own personal preferance and it certainly doesn't affect the machines cleaning ability.


Post# 166338 , Reply# 19   1/19/2012 at 02:52 (3,002 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Good point about the weight of the PN. I notice that when I use my Rainbow, the PN has a much heavier feel to it and feels like it's really digging into my berber carpet as opposed the the Epic 6500 PN......But I still think the Epic 6500 does a good job and has decent suction, but it does NOT have quite as much suction as the Renny I had for a short time before I got the 6500. I guess the word would be adequate suction (though I hate using that word). The ONLY thing I don't like about the Epic 6500 is that there is no on board storage for the floor tool. I find that when I'm cleaning and want to stop to change to the floor tool & keep it sitting kind of on top of the machine but it ends up falling off and I have to go look for it. I can't believe they didn't design a place for it. But it's a super super easy machine to use and is almost perfect for me to get out to run through the house really quick since I have 2 cats. It gets all the cat hair. Mine is the solid grey one that I'm sure is over fifteen yrs old but it looks almost new. I don't think there's a scratch on it. I think the brushroll in it is new but it's aftermarket.

Post# 166377 , Reply# 20   1/19/2012 at 10:30 (3,002 days old) by henry200 ()        

Bags:  I haven't found a big difference between DVC Multifilter and genuine Aerus bags.  During the years when there was a cat in the house I went through a bag per week (packed solid) and cost was a factor so I used the DVC bags, but since then I have been using genuine Lux bags.  I often find them at the thrift store and probably have enough to last me well into the next decade.  I haven't tried the Perfect bags yet but I know from experience using those HEPA style bags in other vacuums that they improve airflow measureably and don't plug-up nearly as quickly.   Most of what I am vacuuming up now is fine dust, so I keep the automatic shut-off control set on the low side, (about 2) and still notice a big improvement in airflow/suction every time I put in a new bag. 

 

Deep cleaning:  I am a "shoes off at the door" person:  why track-in dirt only to turn around and have to work to remove it?  I'm not a fan of wall-to-wall carpeting anyway but when I lived in a house that was blanketed with the stuff I used a PN6 powernozzle which did what I thought was an excellent job of cleaning and grooming the thick plush nap.  It made short work of removing cat hair, and the aggressive brushroll pulled itself along, making vacuuming acres of carpet an easy chore.   Now that there are no pets in the picture, and only bare floors with area rugs I rarely use a powernozzle at all.  When I do, it's usually a PN4 or PN2.  The gentler brushrolls are kinder to the wool rugs and don't "eat" them.


Post# 168877 , Reply# 21   2/8/2012 at 19:23 (2,981 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

What I used to do with a Lux PN (PN-1 or PN-2) is put a weight on top of the Power Nozzle or put my foot on top so it can clean better.

Is there any better brush rolls for PN1 or PN2? I own both models of Electrolux PNs; & while I think they have the retro style, I often use a PN5, which is the better power head cleaning-wise.

As to the pre-motor filter, I just buy a sheet of foam from fabric store or a sheet of foam furnace filter (the 3-layered one) & cut them to size.


Post# 245461 , Reply# 22   8/13/2013 at 01:43 (2,430 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I now use Endust HEPA bags on all of my Electrolux canisters but sometimes I still use the 4-ply bags for vacing the car or vacing insect infested houses & change the bag when done.




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