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Electrolux Model 65 - England
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Post# 164624   1/4/2012 at 11:37 (4,492 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Just reieved this in the mail today - Instruction book for the model 65 Electrolux. Now I just need the vacuum itself :) . Anyone have a 65 that they would like to trade for a Canadian Electrolux?

Doug


Post# 164626 , Reply# 1   1/4/2012 at 11:43 (4,492 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Just for the reference of those that havnt seen a 65 this picture is from the net and is of an earlier model as it has a telescopic wand. Later models had the one piece wand (Which is what is shown in this book.) It was the top of the line cleaner from 1960 to 1965 and was the last of the "Loaf" design machines (models 30, 55, 62)

Post# 164629 , Reply# 2   1/4/2012 at 12:17 (4,492 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Not quite the last .....

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Doug

The Lux 80, a marginally updated version of the 65, in navy blue & white would have actually have been the final version.

The 65 shown above is actually not quite right either. You are absolutly correct in your comments about the tool set, hose and wands being the eariest type, but the hose connector is (apparently) not. It looks like the "three peg" type of screw in connector - most, if not all of the 65s use he push-in ball bearing type, similar to that used in USA & Canada. I believe there was an adaptor ring that could be used to convert the push fit to three peg to facilitate the use of replacement hoses.

These cleaners turn up here on ebay almost as regularly as Hoover Constellations, they are amongst the most common vintage cleaners available here

Al


Post# 164632 , Reply# 3   1/4/2012 at 12:53 (4,492 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hi Al:

Quite right - I didnt even notice the hose connection. I thought they didnt change that till the model 90 ? I also forgot about the 80 entirely.

Thanks

Doug


Post# 164635 , Reply# 4   1/4/2012 at 13:21 (4,492 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Model 90

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Doug

The hose connection for the model 90 changed through its production run (dont know when) from a push in (different design to that of the 65) to three peg.

The thing I find curious is that the Lux 65 continued from 1960 to 1967 (the 80 having a short run of about 2 years to 1969) and yet from around 1965 or so, they produced the Trident models which have a very close resemblence to the 80, when they could easily have produced the 80 at the same time.

The biggest difference between the 65 & 80 (apart from integrating the cord storage into the rear panel of the machine as the adoption of a flat panel air filter behind the a flat grill, on the 65 it was a moulded shape held behind the chrome plate (also seen as pink plastic) just visible on the back 65 shown above

Al


Post# 164640 , Reply# 5   1/4/2012 at 13:52 (4,492 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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If I am correct the filter on the 65 was the same as those used on the 30, 55 and 62 wasnt it?

Also these machines all still had the removable cord (I'm not certain if the 80 or trident ones did though)



Post# 164651 , Reply# 6   1/4/2012 at 15:02 (4,492 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Filter

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Doug

I would need to check to be sure, but I think it was moulded plastic rather than cloth, but certainly the same shape. The UK versions (including tridents) all had removable cords, the fixed cord only came in with the 91 (80 replacement so MOL) and 87 (77 replacement BOL) models. Interestingly I have a German 65 and the flex is fixed - it attaches in the same place, just not removeable

Al


Post# 165190 , Reply# 7   1/8/2012 at 16:30 (4,488 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello. What is seen here is a very rare attempt at a high-quality repair to the original hose. The 3 peg fitting in the picture is not a genuine part. As already mentioned, an adaptor piece could be fitted to the machine end of the cleaner which converted the hose to the 3 peg fitting. Even though I used to buy these adaptors in, I cannot remember if they were a genuine part or not. I have converted several cleaners in years gone by, and supplied them with a non genuine 3 peg hose. Customer was always happy. What is odd about this 65 is that the hose end must have failed at some point, in order for a repair to be needed. Although I saw many of the early style 90 with this fault, I have never seen a hose end fault on this type of fitting. Usually the customer needed a new hose because the woven hose was losing air, or had sagged at the handle end. I can only think the hose must have become broken where it entered the metal fitting on the one in this picture.

Post# 165192 , Reply# 8   1/8/2012 at 16:40 (4,488 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Very Interesting!

Interesting to see that the exact same crevice tool and dusting brush were supplied to British Electrolux customers that were seen in America and Canada. And the radiator brush attachment for the crevice tool was also seen in Canada, though not usually in the States (and if anyone has one in turquoise, I'm all ears!).

Bit odd to see them in red; that was never a color available here in the States. But they're obviously the same tools we got, except for the rug tool.


Post# 165195 , Reply# 9   1/8/2012 at 17:06 (4,488 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Colours

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The pink version if probably the most commonly seen as this ceaner was in production so long - 7 years of so. I have seen green versions which were supplied with the Lux 90, brown with the 345 and I THINK black with the 303. To the best of my recollection all the rest were white although Benny has noted in another thread that there was a mustard one too. Oh, and in checking for the picture below the 330 had a coloured one too.

I really miss this combination nozzle, I always considered it a supurb bit of design and if the cleaner has the clip on the back of the suction control on the hose handle (their hose handles were quite long and they only had a single wand about 1 1/2 the length of a "normal" wand) they were so convenient to use.

Benny, thank you for your insight. I wonder if perhaps the original owner used teh hanging loop with the hose connected to the cleaner as was so often shown in the manuals. Over time that could have caused wear and collapse of the hose at the cleaner end. I have not seen this on a Lux myself but on a Hoover 419 which had a similar hanging loop

The picture shows what i am talking about

Al


Post# 165199 , Reply# 10   1/8/2012 at 17:26 (4,488 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello and thanks. Yes indeed this would have put wear on the machine end of the hose. The original 90 fitting was a very bad arrangement and one which was never to be repeated, although this cleaner is before my time. No not my time, my time spent involved in repairs. I am sure I read an instruction book which reccomended taking the hose off the machine first, maybe on a later model, but please don't hold me to that, as I never had the same interest as you avid collectors,therefore did not actively keep booklets and instructions. I applaud you for your passion. It was rare to see a box for an upright cleaner, but so many times a boxed cylinder came in for repair and instruction books & other paperwork would often be buried beneath all the squashed packaging. This was where I got to see most of the instruction manuals.

Regarding colour-matching of tools and flexes, all manufacturers seem to repeat this trick again and agian over the years, before reverting to black, white, or grey. History is always repeating itself. The Dyson machines are a casing point as they've come back to grey. I was never involved with manufacturers so I don't know the politics, but I have always assumed that different coloured parts would result in higher costs as the surplass stocks could not be used up on later models.

From the point of view of selling spares, it was rare for a customer to want the same colour. I sold mostly white parts, but did stock black and brown too where possible. Truth was, no one cared really, they just wanted to be able to use their cleaner. I too like the idea of the dusting tool attached to the Electrolux hose handle, but I did find it made the hose more bulky. I think on the whole few customers ever did this and I don't rememeber once being asked where the hook was by someone buying a none genuine replacment hose for their cleaner.


Post# 165232 , Reply# 11   1/8/2012 at 22:10 (4,488 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Sandy:

The Crevice tool was exactly the same design as used in Canada and very similar to the US. If I remember correctly it first showed up on the 1957 models both in Canada and England then on the 1967 brown model G in the US. The combination brush from England is very different in style but the same in function as the US brush both of which appeared at around the same time (1956/57).

Doug


Post# 165265 , Reply# 12   1/9/2012 at 06:01 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Exhausts

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The 65 was the vac I saw most of in peoples houses, it combined the very modern aesthetic with contour and colour and offered the latest designed tools....in fact, my Grans 55 was used with a 65 floor tool, the local electrolux repair guy used to sell the flip over floor tool so upgrading the older vacs to the latest tools...

Doug, The 30 & 55 had the thick fleecy pad which acted as the filter, the 62 & 65 had the rigid box filter which the thin gauze was attached to....


Post# 165266 , Reply# 13   1/9/2012 at 06:06 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Z62 Filter

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Heres the Electrolux Z62 with metal cowel removed showing the fitted box filter

Post# 165267 , Reply# 14   1/9/2012 at 06:07 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Electrolux filters

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and the box filter removed..

Post# 165268 , Reply# 15   1/9/2012 at 06:10 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Earlier Models Z30 & Z55

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Had the fluffy fleece filter

Post# 165269 , Reply# 16   1/9/2012 at 06:14 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
The Later

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Trident models had the flat filters...

Post# 165270 , Reply# 17   1/9/2012 at 06:27 (4,488 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Lux

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Hello Benny, welcome to the club, great to hear your stories from a vac repairer....did you used to sell many replacement filters for the electroluxs etc...in the 60`s to 80`s I never knew many family & friends that regularly replaced filters, always loved the smell of the Lux Z100 at my friends house, but thinking now it was the smell of an over used exhaust filter...Lol

Post# 165327 , Reply# 18   1/9/2012 at 17:03 (4,487 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello there Mike and thank you. I must have stocked the filters - that is my honest answer. But I cannot remember much about them and I can promise you they were not what you would call one of my best sellers. My customers came in mainly for two things; bags or repairs. If it was bags they wanted, I had to try and sell up other items like new filters and attachments, even new cleaner. Heck, the customer was there so I may as well use the time as best I could. I rarely had anything to do with what you would call the older Electrolux models, because few people wanted paper dust bags for them, and if they did I would sell them a packet of Hoover junior bags as I was never one for holding too much variation in stock.

If they came in for a new hose for one which was not 3 peg, then I would have to send them home to fetch the front end cap so as to fit the adaptor, and with the removable lead people used to just bring that in to me if it needed replacement. Though many must have done lead repairs at home as I used to sell flex by the meter to lots of people. I used to sell lots of filters for the automatic 330 and 345 as there is a rear filter behind the bag which is never mentioned in the instruction book. It seriously reduces power over time. If there was a whiff of a suggestion that the customer might bring it in for a service then I would cling to that avenue. Failing that I would try to sell filters.

I do remember fitting one new filter to an Electrolux 65 though. Although my reputation locally was one of honesty, I was in business, and there were areas where one had to do what it took to look after the business I was running. Often this meant lying about what was wrong with the cleaner, although I must stress this was not like the cowboys do during a Trading Standards set-up, I mean I would sometimes say there was less wrong with the cleaner than there actually was. Burnt-out motors mainly. Say to a customer that the motor has gone, and that is it. End of story. Most customers won't have it done and even fewer came back to the shop in any great hurry to collect the dead machine, despite paying a deposit. And I would be left with a useless cleaner and time spent testing it. So, on cleaners where stock of 2nd hand motors were easily avaliable, like the Hoover Juniors, I would say it was just a poor connection or whatever, and then stick a 2nd hand motor in and charge for labour & service only.

So, back to the Electrolux 65, someone did once bring one in and the motor had well and truely gone. This was rare for this sort of machine and I knew the customer wouldn't want to pay a lot. Nor did I wish to waste time getting a new motor, fitting the convertor so that it fitted the 65, and all that went with it. So I sent the customer away and then took another 65 from out the back and put the customers front end-cap and mains lead on that. I'd taken a few pounds of a rebuilt cleaner in exchange for this 65 some months earlier, which for some reason had no lead or tools with it, and it sat out the back, I suppose in case it was needed. I put in a new filter and then telephoned the customer to say their cleaner (or what they thought was their cleaner) was ready. They paid the labour & filter charge, and off they went. It must have been at least two years later when it was bought back, with my sticker still on it, to have the mains lead replaced. The customer was very happy both times. So you see, it can be the right thing to do sometimes, everyone is a winner.

Too many people who had shops like mine were not able to view the bigger picture. They would say what was wrong with a cleaner and that would be it, a yes or no to do you want it doing or not. But then I had a good teacher as I had worked with the man who sold me the shop I owned and he would do anything for anyone, but business and money had to come first. I stocked very few genuine parts as no one cared what they bought at the margins on genuine parts were no greater. I also took every chance I had to sell more to the customer once they were inside. I sold a lot of cheap floor tools (the sort which look like the genuine Hoover oval floor tool with soft bristles) for Electrolux cylinders, just by asking the customer how they were finding the one they had. This was because the turn-over tools were liable to fall apart, the large tools like the one for the 65 were heavy and stuck to lino, and the automatic tools with self-moving bristles would always clog up and stick in carpet mode. Once asked, most customer would say that the tools had seen better days.

The pictiure of the Trident cleaner bought back a memory. A sketchy memory at that. They were sent over from Germany to be sold to UK home owners at their front door. I am not sure what the idea was, but I do know they were marketed as being Electrolux cleaners, yet being the very best that Electrolux had to offer. They were more expensive but did offer more as I am sure they came with an enhanced guarentee. In later years they started selling a very smaller compact canister type cleaner which was blue and had the automatic cordwinder. It looked like a small version of the commercial cleaners. The cleaner was no better than any other Electrolux but it was still a very good cleaner and the placement of the motor in relation to the dust bag meant that the cleaner could be very small, even though it had the same motor as the long cylinders. It was a lot easier to pull around but I did repair a couple of them and it was not so easy to get into. These cleaners had a turbine cleaning head. I am not at all certain that earlier Trident models did. I think probably not.


Post# 165329 , Reply# 19   1/9/2012 at 17:05 (4,487 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I didn't know the Turbotool polisher exists in the UK! I thought those air-powered polisher/scrubber were only available in the USA.

Here's my Turbotool polisher.

ChestermikeUK, how rare are these over there in the UK?


Post# 165330 , Reply# 20   1/9/2012 at 17:09 (4,487 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Were these "Rug Washer" Turbotools avaiable in the UK, too?

Post# 165333 , Reply# 21   1/9/2012 at 17:27 (4,487 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Electrolux Floor Polishers

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Hi Erik, the polishers wernt that popular, they where usually sold to wealthy customers, or offered as an inclusive deal price but I dont remember ever seeing one or knowing any family and friends who had one, the carpet washer was never sold over here to my knowledge.




Post# 165334 , Reply# 22   1/9/2012 at 17:29 (4,487 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Doug:

Thanks for the info on the Canadian/U.K. versions of the combo dusting/upholstery tool and the crevice tool. The combo tool does look a bit different, now that I look more closely; the "wings" are squarer. I can't see a difference in the crevice tool, so I will take your word for it.

Do those radiator brush attachments still turn up in Canada? I've lusted after one for years!


Post# 165336 , Reply# 23   1/9/2012 at 17:32 (4,487 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Not as I know of. The closest we had was using the sprayer to wet the carpet and then tying a rag over the floor tool, using the hose on blow to dry the carpet. Even the sprayer stopped becoming a stanadard accessory during the production of the model 90.

Post# 165345 , Reply# 24   1/9/2012 at 18:14 (4,487 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Trident?

I have one of them cannister ones you mention :)


Post# 165347 , Reply# 25   1/9/2012 at 18:21 (4,487 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes that is it, although I think there is a piece missing off the back of that one as they used to have a piece of curved plastic stuck to the back to enable the machine to sit on it's hind. Unless that was just on later models. Are there holes in the back?

Post# 165348 , Reply# 26   1/9/2012 at 18:26 (4,487 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Oh good lord that picture is 3 years old lol. I dont have the cleaner here at home and its been a while since i last dug it out but im pretty sure there are no holes,

Reagrding its tools it didnt come with a Turbinette but a white version with yellow pedal of the 350's black/orange pedalled floor tool. Woven hose too.

I can see why the curved plastic would of been useful but then again as you mention about the cleaners size its reasonable to use it when cleaning stairs and sits pretty well on each step.

I quite like the little thing, cleans well. decent suction and a good capacity bag although its a cloth bag and id prefer paper, Junior bags are not wide enough to put in and have yet to find one big enough that i dont mind cutting the collars off to use in it.
Rob


Post# 165350 , Reply# 27   1/9/2012 at 18:34 (4,487 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello. Here I found a video of a cleaner similar to yours where you can see the part I refer to:






The floor tool you talk about is not what it would have had originally as this blue Trident dates back to the early 1970s. This would have been long before the floor tool you describe, which was what you might call the next one along in terms of design from the automatic floor tool. This model of Trident originally had a turbine tool for carpets which is what made it different from cleaners sold in the shops. But I am trying hard to remember which one it did have. They were also different from other Electrolux cleaners as they still used two short metal tubes and not one long tube. They may have had a seperate tool just for floors like the older Electrolux cleaners did.


Post# 165351 , Reply# 28   1/9/2012 at 18:44 (4,487 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Oh good lord, well il be sure to keep the one I have with it, well , with it. If thats the original then its my idea of hell. I hate articulated floor heads, god knows why you see them so much, I find them quite awkward to use.

Interesting way of installing the paper bag though, I would of either opened it our fully and inserted the ring into its seatings in the cloth bag ring thus trapping it in tightly or fed it thru the hole as he does and still trapping it between the ring and cloth bag. seems odd to just push it and and shut the lid.


Post# 165352 , Reply# 29   1/9/2012 at 18:51 (4,487 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello. Those floor tools in that video were for non-uk cleaners and I only ever saw them here on commercial cleaners and Swedish versions of UK models. The way the bag is fitted in the video is exactly how it should be, although some people I do know put the ring inside of it. There is no reason to clip the paper bag down as the moulding in the top of the cleaner is enough to hold the bag in place when closed down onto the dust bag. Although these machines were sold as higher specification, they were not quite as high spec as the machines which were paper bag only. They were considered to be the best that money could buy as paper bags were something of a luxury for many years.

Post# 165353 , Reply# 30   1/9/2012 at 19:03 (4,487 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Well I will have to thank you there Mr Repairer its been an education and a pleasure, I need some sleep, god knows what time Currys will have me up tommorrow morning when they deliver a new fridge freezer, tracker says between 6am and 10am 6am! REALLY i ask? ....

A couple of days off work didnt turn into a couple of days off. Now to scoot and arm my teasmade and snuggle down.

Thanks again,

Rob


Post# 165379 , Reply# 31   1/9/2012 at 23:38 (4,487 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Sandy:

To be quite honest I have NEVER seen one of the radiator brushes here at all. The only ones I have came with English machines. I know they were available as an option in Canada but I dont think they ever brought them in in our area.

As for the crevice tools if you look at the Canadian and English ones they have a raised ribbing on the hose end while the US one is smooth with the name Electrolux raised out of it in the same place.

Doug


Post# 165392 , Reply# 32   1/10/2012 at 08:16 (4,486 days old) by markus79 (Finland)        
Volta leaflets

Hey!
I put this, hope you like it=)
Markus


Post# 165393 , Reply# 33   1/10/2012 at 08:18 (4,486 days old) by markus79 (Finland)        
Volta leaflet

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Volta U201

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Volta Motovac

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Volta U149 Popular

basic Volta

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Volta leaflet printed in 1975

nozzles and dustbags

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Elektrohelios leaflet 1975

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elektrohelios leaflet 1975

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Elektrohelios leaflet 1975

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Elektrohelios leaflet 1975

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Electrolux 65 instructions 1964

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Electrolux 65 instructions 1964

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Electrolux 65 instructions 1964

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Electrolux 65 instructions 1964

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Electrolux 94 instructions

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Electrolux 94 instructions

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Post# 165409 , Reply# 48   1/10/2012 at 09:05 (4,486 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        
Mattopesin US2

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what is that all about? and what is connected to the blower/exhaust port on the cleaner? is it some kind of shampoo attachemnt or is it a powerhead rotated by the exhaust air?



Post# 165415 , Reply# 49   1/10/2012 at 09:20 (4,486 days old) by markus79 (Finland)        
Mattopesin US2

Yes, it is a carpet washer with dry washing powder. This same product sold also with Electrolux D720 model but it looks different.

Markus


Post# 165416 , Reply# 50   1/10/2012 at 09:25 (4,486 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Markus so how does it work? it appears that the exhaust connection thing and the white tube dont connect to the floor head?

Is it a kind of sprayer for the dry powder?

what did the floor head do ?

I dont think we had those over here, wow!


Post# 165423 , Reply# 51   1/10/2012 at 10:38 (4,486 days old) by markus79 (Finland)        
Mattopesin US2

There is a tank for washing liquid and exhaust air makes to foam. There is two brush on bottom. When the foam is dry you can vacuum the carpet.

Markus


Post# 165426 , Reply# 52   1/10/2012 at 11:09 (4,486 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Interesting leaflets Markus. Thanks for posting them.


Post# 165430 , Reply# 53   1/10/2012 at 11:45 (4,486 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Great pictures

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Markus
Thanks for posting the scans of the borochures, really interesting to see (as usual). Do you have one of the Mattopesin US2 that you could show us.

Also the powerhead nozzle - I think our American and Canadian friends woudl be interested to see it and how it compares with their own. We, in the UK, had nothing of the kind so its very interesting to see

Al


Post# 165431 , Reply# 54   1/10/2012 at 12:06 (4,486 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Al:

Our Dometic 245 also came with the same power head.




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