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Post# 162951   12/21/2011 at 01:59 (4,503 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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It is back! I was checking HOOVER's website ten minutes ago, and saw it for sale.

The "original" Turbopower, spelt as one word, ended production in the early 2000's, I believe, but it seems HOOVER felt the need to create another cleaner, which looks nothing like the traditional TP by the way, and name it after it.

Oh well, maybe some day I'll have the pleasure of trying it out, but at over £200 brand new, I think that day will be a while off.


Post# 162955 , Reply# 1   12/21/2011 at 02:16 (4,503 days old) by vacmaster0000 ()        
Woah, thats cool..

Ive never heard of hoover bringing back models, I wish they would bring back alot of they're old models..

Post# 162956 , Reply# 2   12/21/2011 at 02:19 (4,503 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Although I know they never will, I would love it if they brought back the Senior range.

Post# 162958 , Reply# 3   12/21/2011 at 02:24 (4,503 days old) by vacmaster0000 ()        
You read my mind..

Wow. Your a mind reader! I want them to bring the convertible range back! Or senior range. But, I wish they would of brought the Junior range to America!

Post# 162970 , Reply# 4   12/21/2011 at 06:59 (4,502 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Just a heads up - this is NOT an original Turbopower and is nothing like the original Turbopower.

It kind of irritates me that Hoover have named there new uprights. The thing that made the Turbopower "turbo" was the combination of the dirty fan design and the activator brushroll, neither of which the new "turbopower" has. At least it's a proper dual cyclone machine and not a nasty clogging mess.


Post# 162982 , Reply# 5   12/21/2011 at 11:07 (4,502 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I thought the thing that made the Turbopower "Turbo", was the fact it had a Turbo button that revved up the motor to the maximum power ?

My Turbopower has a clean fan motor and a constant drive brush roll.


Post# 163015 , Reply# 6   12/21/2011 at 12:37 (4,502 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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That's a Turbopower 1000 based on the Turbopower 2 machines.
The original Turbopower was dirty fan. The "turbo" came from it's performance on carpet due to the dirty fan and activator brushroll. See link for the Turbopower U2194 from the original 1983 lineup


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Post# 163018 , Reply# 7   12/21/2011 at 12:44 (4,502 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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IF you go to 2min38secs on this video, you'll see the advert for the Original turbopower lineup.

The Turbopower 2 was launched in 1992 to compete with the clean air uprights of Panasonic and Electrolux of the time as they were becoming increasingly more popular due to increased suction power on the hose and better filtration.

The Turbopower 1000 was launched in 1994 and was more powerful than the Turbo 2.

Despite being superseded, the original Turbopower design ran until 2001.


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Post# 163022 , Reply# 8   12/21/2011 at 12:58 (4,502 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I did hear somewhere that the 1000 was first advertised in 1993 and first sold in 1994, so my one (made in August 1994) must have been one of the earliest models available.

I'm so glad I ended up with a TP1000 rather than a TP2, seeing as the 1000's are quite rare, and to find one over a widely available TP2 was very lucky.

I'm surprised clean fan motors were only just becoming popular in the nineties, because Electrolux made clean fan motors in the 500 series from the seventies, which were excellent for their size and weight. I just love my '82 502S, and with the Ranger's shenanigans, I'm finding myself using it more and more! I might actually have to change the bag some time in the near future, something I never thought I'd have to do for years, seeing as until recently I was just using it very occasionally.

I don't mind dirty fan motors, don't get me wrong, but if I had a choice, I'd go for a clean fan, due to the extra filtration (made available because the dirt is sucked into the bag rather than blown in, meaning the air can be filtrated to a much higher standard), and better suction.


Post# 163037 , Reply# 9   12/21/2011 at 15:00 (4,502 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Actually, Dirty Fan cleaners tend to be much better carpet cleaners - they're just not so great on the hose.

Back in the 60's, 70's and early 80's, the choice was easy - Electrolux for a cylinder and Hoover for an upright. Unfortunately, dirty fan vacuums are not so popular these days as they're a little impractical. It's much easier to have a clean air upright with on board tools.

I wouldn't say any of the Turbo's are particularly rare, aside from the exclusives. The 1000's are slightly rarer as they didn't run for particularly long as they were superseded by the Turbopower 3 in about 1996.

I do like the T2, 3 and 1000, but I much prefer the Turbopower 1's for carpet cleaning.


Post# 163038 , Reply# 10   12/21/2011 at 15:13 (4,502 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Out of my collection, my Turbopower 1000 is my favourite.

It has a long hose, great suction with the tools or floor head, looks fantastic, and gets used any time there is a lot of dirt to be sucked up.

Flick the Turbo button on, and she'd pick up a mountain if you asked her to!


Post# 163058 , Reply# 11   12/21/2011 at 19:09 (4,502 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

With a Hoover "dirty fan" upright you could strip the motor right down to individual parts.

With an Electrolux clean fan upright, should the belt wear down the motor spindle (and it will, particularly on the 500 series), you have to replace the complete motor. They are not durable. Maybe okay for once a week cleaning, but not practical for daily use.


Post# 163082 , Reply# 12   12/22/2011 at 00:34 (4,502 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"They are not durable. Maybe okay for once a week cleaning, but not practical for daily use." - That's strange, my 1982 502S was used DAILY from the day it was bought, so the motor must have more than 4,200 hours of use on it, and it still runs incredibly smooth, and you don't even have to raise your voice over it, like you do with some brand new cleaners.

Yes, the belt will wear the motor pulley down if it is left to get to the stage where it is glazed/stretched and slipping, thus burning it up, but if you check the belt before every use and change it when a slip is first detected, no problems should occur.

I would go as far as to say the 500 Watt motor in my Lux is the best motor out of all my cleaners for its size.


Post# 163097 , Reply# 13   12/22/2011 at 08:53 (4,501 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
if you check the belt before every use

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Who in the heck checks the belt on their vacuum before every use? The average vacuum user just wouldn't bother. You need to remember, not everyone in the world cares at much about their vacuum as we do. Try and think about it from the perspective of your average vacuuming buying public.

In terms of carpet cleaning, the original Turbopower is unrivalled in it's carpet cleaning ability. The 500 series had stronger suction on the hose, but the Turbo's were definitely the better uprights. The Turbo 2, 3 and 1000, though good, weren't a patch on the original series.


Post# 163469 , Reply# 14   12/27/2011 at 11:41 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a BEATER BAR I can see on this!?

Post# 163471 , Reply# 15   12/27/2011 at 12:00 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, it is a beater bar, what is wrong with that ?

Post# 163472 , Reply# 16   12/27/2011 at 12:04 (4,496 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

The day has come!!!!
Finally more than a step in the right direction for hoover. They brought back the beater bar!!!!!
This has made my day and im deffinatly going to have to get one now!


Post# 163473 , Reply# 17   12/27/2011 at 12:06 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, Hoover haven't incorporated a beater bar onto a brushroll since 1997. The very early pre-Candy Purepower's had them, but none had since. It's no activator, but it's certainly a step in the right direction for Hoover to get back on track!

Post# 163475 , Reply# 18   12/27/2011 at 12:10 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I see, I thought you were saying it was a bad thing!

My Turbopower has a beater bar of sorts, only it isn't a bar. It is lots of hard bumps in the brush roll that act as a beater bar.

My 1993 Philips U800 has a beater bar just like on the new Turbo Power though, and I love how the carpets come up with it.


Post# 163476 , Reply# 19   12/27/2011 at 12:12 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Wait a second - I googled "Hoover Activator" to see what you were talking about, and it came up a brush roll with the same "bumps" as mine has. Are the bumps the "activator" ? If so, my Turbopower has it!

Post# 163478 , Reply# 20   12/27/2011 at 12:18 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Yes, the "bumps" are infact carpet beaters. As the brushes spin and groom the carpet pile and sweep away embedded dirt, the beaters beat the carpet to loosen deep down grit and help with the removal of fine dust particles. Hoover always used beaters on their cleaners, hence the old slogan "The Hoover Beats, As it sweeps, as it cleans". The "activator" brushroll was part of what made the Turbopower "turbo" in the first place. I believe it was the first major redesign of the actual brushroll that Hoover ever went through and was certainly an improvement. Hoover used it on all their uprights from 1983 to just after Candy bought Hoover out in about 1997/98.

Post# 163479 , Reply# 21   12/27/2011 at 12:19 (4,496 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

To me it looks like a mix of a senior and activator brushrolls.

Post# 163480 , Reply# 22   12/27/2011 at 12:20 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Is the bumps that my Turbopower has better at cleaning than the old fashioned metal beater bars my '77 HOOVER Ranger has ?

Post# 163481 , Reply# 23   12/27/2011 at 12:26 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh, and Jake, when you get your Turbo Power, we want to see pictures and an in action video on YouTube! :)

I'm waiting!!


Post# 163483 , Reply# 24   12/27/2011 at 12:32 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thats a bit of a controversial question Jamie, and I don't think there is any right or wrong answer. The activator brushroll was first used on the Turbopower in 1983 which is a higher wattage and completely different design to the Seniors. Sadly, I don't think there is anyway of telling which is the better brushroll unless they can be used in the same machine so one could fairly compare the performance of the same machine with a different brushroll (if that makes any sense). I believe the activator is widely accepted to be the better brushroll, but it's all a matter of opinion to be honest.

Post# 163485 , Reply# 25   12/27/2011 at 12:40 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I think the activator would be best, as lots of little bumps would beat better than a few big bars in my opinion, but then I could be wrong, as my '93 Philips U800 has the long bars (plastic instead of metal though) and it cleans exceptionally well, but better than the Turbopower ? I don't know... It is a tough one!

I'll have to watch closely next time I use the Philips and see if it is better than the Turbopower, seeing as they are roughly the same wattage (900W for the Turbopower and 800W for the Philips) and the same age.


Post# 163489 , Reply# 26   12/27/2011 at 13:23 (4,496 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

Going shopping tomorrow so it all could change what i come home with. Could be an AEG Nimble, Dyson dc27 or anything else that catchs my eye thats reduced! :P

Post# 163491 , Reply# 27   12/27/2011 at 13:34 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
AEG Nimble, Dyson dc27 or anything else that catchs my eye

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Are you on the hunt for something bagless? Argos have some great deals on at the moment. The Vax Mach XP Pet is on sale at £79.99.

Post# 163493 , Reply# 28   12/27/2011 at 13:43 (4,496 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

My bagless collection has been greatly reduced after selling most of them off. So im looking for a trusty, well performing one. Any suggestions?

Post# 163494 , Reply# 29   12/27/2011 at 13:51 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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In all honesty, if you want a bagless cleaner, a Dyson is your best bet. However, if you're looking for something a little less pricey, I've found the Vax Mach range to be good and the Hoover Airvolution machines to also be very effective. Both use an efficient dust separation dual cyclone and not a cheap, direct filter cyclone (although neither are quite as effective as the Dyson Root cyclone). Happy vacuuming and be sure to let us know what you get.

Post# 163498 , Reply# 30   12/27/2011 at 14:09 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'll be on tomorrow and looking out for your thread saying what you got!

I hope to see a new Turbo Power on the list :)


Post# 163504 , Reply# 31   12/27/2011 at 16:19 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

The new Turbo Power has a Vax UK/Hoover USA style of agitator: the brush bristles sit on the ridge of the beater bar.

I know that my Electrolux 550 wore down two motors. A friend's elderly parents' 504 wore down, and someone else told me their's did the same. The motor spindle wore down, the belt drifted and cut into the plastic of the motor cover.

The Electrolux engineer replaced the motor the second time with the 610 series motor. It had a belt bulge to try to prevent the problem recurring. When I saw that it too was starting to wear, I got shot of the machine.

Also had a Hoover Junior U1104, flat belt machine. It did the same, the belt pulley wore down. However, it was a very simple job to unscrew and replace the belt pulley on this model.


Post# 163505 , Reply# 32   12/27/2011 at 16:25 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hmm... Well mine is fine so far. I'm pretty sure if I make sure I don't let the belt slip I can keep it going for many more years.

Post# 163506 , Reply# 33   12/27/2011 at 16:45 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
The new Turbo Power has a Vax UK/Hoover USA style of agitato

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Vax UK machines don't have a beater bar, they just have bristles. The only upright on the UK market aside from the Turbo Power is the Panasonic bagged upright.

Post# 163507 , Reply# 34   12/27/2011 at 16:53 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Hoover Agitator versus Hoover Activator

There was one machine that could be fitted with either: the Hoover Junior U1104.

Very late models, circa 1990, had the plastic activator instead of the more traditional metal agitator.

Theoretically, the activator should be better, because the brushing power had effectively been doubled (twin helix of bristles) and the beating action doubled too, as opposed to the agitator which was half beating and half sweeping at any one time.

The activator also lifted the pile more effectively and combed it too.

There was another agitator that we never saw much of, but was of American origin: the Quadraflex agitator. Basically, the beater bar rods were situated immediately behind the brush strips. The idea was that, as the brush met the carpet pile, the bristles curled around the beater bar which was now where the brush was a moment ago. As the brush vacated the carpet, the now flexed bristles imparted a kinetic flicking action. Apparently this agitator was fitted to the Mk I Hoover Sensotronic "Electro Kinetic" power head. Supposedly a very effective action.


Post# 163508 , Reply# 35   12/27/2011 at 17:14 (4,496 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I see - Thanks for explaining that!

Post# 163509 , Reply# 36   12/27/2011 at 17:17 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
The new Turbo Power has a Vax UK/Hoover USA style of agitato

They do: the Vax Magnum, Vax Mach 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.

Sister has the Vax Magnum; Sister-in-Law the Mach 7.

Vax Mach Air lightweight has a mickey mouse beaterless turbobrush style of brushroll.

Full size agitator is a cylindrical affair, but not a perfectly round cross-section. Where the bristles are situated, there is an elongated ridge - this imparts a beating action. Cross-section would be more of an oval shape. Certainly much better than Dyson's twisted ribbon brushroll.

Picture of the Vax Mach 7 agitator cavity. (Windtunnel ducts only fitted to the superior models).


Post# 163514 , Reply# 37   12/27/2011 at 17:56 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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That must be a new thing - my old office has 2 Mach 7's in it and they certainly didn't have beater bars. Still, thanks for the info. Glad to see there are still cleaners with beater bars out there

Post# 163529 , Reply# 38   12/27/2011 at 19:42 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

No, not new, been on the go in the UK in Vax models for some time.

Here is a picture of an American Hoover agitator. Notice that the clumps of bristles sit upon a pronounced spiral ridge. This ridge beats the carpet.

The periodic gaps in the spiral ridge are there to accommodate the guard straps that span the soleplate. This to to prevent the flex and lightweight carpets/rugs from being drawn into the agitator cavity, jamming the agitator and breaking the belt. In the case of the flex, damaged flex might mean electrocution to the user.



Post# 163530 , Reply# 39   12/27/2011 at 19:45 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Quadraflex agitator

Here is the quadraflex agitator.

Notice the white plastic beater bar (just visible) situated immediately behind the grey brush bristles.


Post# 163534 , Reply# 40   12/27/2011 at 20:29 (4,496 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
UK Hoover Turbomaster activator

Look very carefully.

This UK Hoover Turbomaster activator has a ridge that the bristles sit upon, just like Vax and USA Hoover models. (There are obviously, the activator nodules too, but ignore them).

It should be noted that this brush ridge was not present on the Turbopower series, nor any domestic machine thereafter.



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Post# 163577 , Reply# 41   12/28/2011 at 05:20 (4,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Interesting, thanks for the info.

The Mach 7's at work certainly didn't have them and my friends Mach 2 doesn't have them either. It has a brushroll very similar to the Mach Air, but bigger.


Post# 163741 , Reply# 42   12/29/2011 at 14:37 (4,494 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        
Interesting

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From what I understand about the Hoover Activator was that it was introduced as the original Hoover agitator with metal bars flattened carpets instead of grooming them.

The nodules beat the carpet but cant flatten the carpet due to their angular and scattered positions which helped improve the look of the carpet after a vac.
More noticeable on cut pile carpets I have found where Juniors and Seniors really do nothing for the appearance of the pile.

Now as for the 410w original turbos compared to the 800w and 1000w turbo2's I have read another theory as to why the 2's and 3's dont seem to clean or groom as well as the originals which is to do with the motor running at a much higher speed and therefore counteracting the grooming which needs to be done at a lower speed to get results.

Need to check the service manuals to find out the difference between the TP1's agitator RPM vs the TP2 agi rpm.

Now heres a bit of help towards that theory too. We have a 700w Panasonic upright with the same brush roll as my Grandads 2000w Panasonic upright and on thick or thin carpets the 700w cleaner grooms and cleans better, Leaves the pile with excellent track marks where the 2000w one dosnt. Any truth in this theory I wonder?



Post# 163742 , Reply# 43   12/29/2011 at 14:45 (4,494 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Very interesting Rob.

Now I think about it, wasn't one of the selling features of the Panasonic Icon that it had a separate motor driven brushroll which was slower than the motor? So the suction power was still strong, but the brushroll groomed effectively?


Post# 163760 , Reply# 44   12/29/2011 at 17:30 (4,494 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

That would explain several machines:

The Hoover Purepowers (with the two belts and reducer pulley between them). Obviously, 2000 Watt motors were too quick for carpet grooming.

The Dysons with the clutches and separate brush motors.

The latest Panasonic upright bagless machine which seems to groom cut pile very well (separate agitator motor and short bristles). No beater bars or ridges on the brushroll, but certainly vibrates the carpet effectively. Mum got it for Christmas.

The Panasonic Icon had a 60% greater diameter brushroll, rotated slower, and the bristles were as hard as scrubbing brush bristles.


Post# 163765 , Reply# 45   12/29/2011 at 18:04 (4,494 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Rolls...

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The Dyson brushroll wouldn't groom a babies head! It has the most sparse bristles I've ever seen on a brushroll. The helix clutch brushrolls just seem to shred the fibres on thick carpets. Dyson really need to redesign the brushroll, they'd get much better performance out of their machines

Post# 163774 , Reply# 46   12/29/2011 at 18:39 (4,494 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

You are quite right about the grooming of the Dyson ribbon brushroll. I wondered if the clutch was an attempt to reduce the agitation speed and thus improve cleaning efficiency, a sort of reduction gearing. Probably more to do with lengthening the belt lifespan and hard floor care.

How would the Dyson machine perform if the clumps of bristles were adjacent to each other, rather than sparsely populated? Probably much more efficiently.


Post# 163785 , Reply# 47   12/29/2011 at 20:48 (4,494 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Here in the USA, there were a range of black and gold Hoover Elite/Legacy/Wind Tunnel uprights in the mid/late 1990s called "TurboPOWER" (the TP 1000 is based on the Elite whereas the TP 5000 or so is based on the Wind Tunnel).

~Ben


Post# 165160 , Reply# 48   1/8/2012 at 15:04 (4,484 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello again. Great threads as always! Could I just add that both the Turbopower 2 and the Turbopower 1000 went on sale in 1992? Why they went on sale at the same time will be something only Hoover knew. The Turbopower 3 replaced the Turbopower 1000 and was more popular as it offered more for the money as it had a useful stair cleaning hose. The Turbopower 3 was featured in a 1994 booklet but I didn't see any in stores until 1995. I sold mainly reconditioned cleaners so I never had these in store when they were being manufactured.

Post# 166915 , Reply# 49   1/23/2012 at 23:13 (4,469 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes but at the end of the day Hoover haven't brought out a bagged version, hence the new bagless cyclonic model is called "Turbo Power" with a deliberate spacing in between the words.

As for brush roll - I have a bagless cyclonic Vax Mach Air - the brush roll is a lot kinder to carpets and I'm glad it doesn't have beater bar strips set into it.

Do any of the American members have the equivalent similar Hoover Windtunnel Air? The hose arrangement is slightly different and from what I understand, that vacuum was only available at Walmart.


Post# 230637 , Reply# 50   4/30/2013 at 10:38 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well, to reactivate this thread again, I now have both the Turbo Power cyclonics, the upright and the cylinder, and have to post about what a total design flaw the cylinder model is.
After just 2 weeks of use of the TTU1510 red model the cyclones have all blocked up from the base up with pet hair and fluff. It would seem that the cylinder model cyclone chamber is different from the upright model, with the cyclones discharging into a collector chamber and then down into the central cylinder. The cyclones seem to narrow at the bases just like the problem with the early DC07 models till that were de-rooted, and this is causing fluff particles to get jammed in the cyclone exits. The end result has been that the filter just gets clogged very fast as the cyclones can not discharge their dust into the lower collector chamber.
Its no wonder these were reduced to £55 in Tesco's.
The upright is OK to use, if a little heavy to push round, but the cylinder is a load of rubbish - so avoid getting one! Hoover have made the same error that Dyson made with his first Multi-cyclonic. Don't these companies ever learn from other's mistakes?


Post# 230639 , Reply# 51   4/30/2013 at 11:29 (4,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
That's a pity...

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Hasn't Hoover released the cylinder model in other guises/model names though since the launch?

On a separate note I noticed that the Hoover Globe and the Turbo Power uprights have both been slashed in price - the Globe is something like £129 whereas the Turbo Power is £124 - effectively £5 added for the swivel then where the Globe is concerned.

Still waiting for a new bagged upright from Hoover UK/Europe.


Post# 230640 , Reply# 52   4/30/2013 at 11:44 (4,006 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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What does it look like is it the bagless one


Post# 230642 , Reply# 53   4/30/2013 at 11:55 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well. the UTP1610 upright blue Turbopower has been 125 for ages now, they just don't seem very popular - and many are criticised for being hard to push. The suction is very high on these, and if the floorhead is too low, the vacuum created makes it hard to move forward - there is no leakage channels incorporated in the soleplate. Its a pity as the upright is well made and sturdy, with a good hose length and cable length too. Hoover just didn't quite get it right with this one either.
I looked at the Globe myself in Curry's and was very tempted at the low prices they were going for, but couldn't help feeling it was tacky quality, so left it. It hasn't had great reviews in Argos either. Hoover is not the same as it used to be, as, like Vax, it makes all its vacs for the UK market in China.

I have had issues with new Vax's as well recently, all for poor quality control issues - so it seems that China made vacs are suffering now from poor quality issues.

Hoover really must change its image now as it is associated with poorly made in the Far East, bad designed products since the "The One" fiasco.


Post# 230646 , Reply# 54   4/30/2013 at 12:06 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

In answer to sebo_fan's question, I think the Hoover Curve is the latest multi-cyclonic cylinder and these were also in Tesco a month or so back going for £44! Should have got one to try it out, but they are very small, and why were they reduced so much? Argos has them now for £80, on reduced price promo. One has to ask why?
YOu never see Miele vacs reduced that much, only it seems, Hoover and Vax products. I recently picked up a couple of Mach Air Reach models for £99 each, but they had problems with hoses come unglued from their housings and sticking hinges. Seems Vax are getting a reputation for bad quality now as well.


Post# 230651 , Reply# 55   4/30/2013 at 12:32 (4,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The thing is, it doesn't matter about questioning why they are so cheap - it has little to do with the reliability, but rather the amount of stockists that Hoover and other brands are being bought by.

You do get price reductions of several Miele and SEBO products, but it is seasonal and not as much. The Miele S2's general pricing from £130 has dropped to around £99 in recent months - but this has much to do with the fact that Miele are still selling their old S700 heavier bodies for expensive prices using the smaller FJM dust bag compared to the S2's bigger GN bag.

The multicyclonic design in your Turbo Power cylinder vacuum is currently also being sold as a Jazz cylinder vacuum whilst the Rush uses the same body but a different single cyclonic filter.


Post# 230653 , Reply# 56   4/30/2013 at 12:40 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Rush was the predecessor to the Turbopower cylinder, and the body is the same, just that Hoover tried to modify the canister by fitting a multi-cyclone assembly to prevent filter clogging issues that the Rush suffered with. They were cost cutting using the Rush platform to make the Turbopower model. The Jazz as you say is the same model again with a different colour scheme.
I am going to take a junior hacksaw to the cyclones on the Turbopower in due course to "de-root" them like Dyson did to the DC07 - effectively making the cyclones shorter but wider at the bases, hopefully to prevent further clogging.
It would be interesting to know if the Jazz cylinder has this modification.
The Vax Mach Air 3 swivel head uses the same design as the Turbopower with the cyclones not emptying directly into the central cone, so I am wondering if that may be storing up problems with blockages in the future. I will keep an eye on mine.


Post# 230654 , Reply# 57   4/30/2013 at 12:50 (4,006 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        
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Hi Steve,

I picked up the Curve from Tesco for £40 several weeks back, for the money its a very good little machine but at the price on the Hoover website of £159.99 is an outrage it's not worth more that £40 as the hose and handle are very cheap feeling, the cord very short and just the overall build quality is cheap feeling. Here's a pick I took of my Hoover Cylinders. The second stage cyclones btw feed straight into the centre of the bin not noticed any problems with clogging.

Dan


Post# 230658 , Reply# 58   4/30/2013 at 13:01 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Dan, so you got one then? I was really tempted but then a few weeks later when I went back to see if any were left, I saw the Turbopwer red on for £55, so I had one of these instead.
The second stage cyclones feed into a ring shaped collector chamber that has three exits into the central dust tube. From what I can see when I disassembled the assembly, the cyclones come too far down into this chamber leaving a very small gap for the dust to go through. This is where the blockages are forming.
If you can look up the central tube from the bottom and see the exites from the cyclones, then they are directly feeding into the central tube and no blockages should occur - unless the exits are very small in diameter.
It seems that the smaller the cyclones become, or when they mess about with how they discharge into the collector tube, problmes are created with blocking up.
Most users wouldn't understand why though, and would just get used to having to wash the pre motor filter more often as the cyclones aren't working any more. Eventually they will fill up so much that a total bloackage will occur and cleaning out the cyclones will be the only solution - which will require disassembly of the cyclone chambers.


Post# 230666 , Reply# 59   4/30/2013 at 13:42 (4,006 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Yes I hadn't planned on buying it but when I saw it for £40 it was too tempting lol One of the nice things about this machine is the cyclone parts all unclip for cleaning. I've not used it much and it's back in its box now but heres a picture of the cyclone parts, the second stage cyclones are very small so maybe it would clog but I've hardly used it tbh and it's back in it box stored away now.

Dan


Post# 230667 , Reply# 60   4/30/2013 at 13:44 (4,006 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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And all assembled!

Post# 230669 , Reply# 61   4/30/2013 at 13:47 (4,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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For me, If I was to buy any Hoover cylinder (and a bagged one at that), it would be the Telios. Argos are selling a 2200 watt one for £79 compared to the £90 for the 100 watts more version at Currys, though I quite like the white colour that Currys are selling as opposed to the burgundy red.

Post# 230688 , Reply# 62   4/30/2013 at 14:27 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Interesting cyclone design where the dirt enters from the outside of the cylinder. I have just taken mine apart and sawed off the bases of each cyclone cone, enlarging them. Put it together again and pushed the vac round my bedroom. Seems to have sorted the problem, with the only ones retaining some fluff being those that I left with rough edges where the saw went through them. Will need to smooth off the tips of the cones now to stop fluff catching on the rough edges.

I like this little Turbopower, and it cleans very well, even without a turbo brush head supplied. I was surprised at how the standard head picks up cat hairs by suction alone on my carpets without the need for a turbo brush. I ran the Vax Mach Air over the carpet after using the TP cylinder and it didn't get up any more cat hairs. Previously I didn't think that non-turbo heads (combination floorheads) on cylinder cleaners were any good on carpet, but this one changes my mind. Its noisy and crude, but for £55 its OK now I have ironed out the flaw with the cyclones.


Post# 230690 , Reply# 63   4/30/2013 at 14:36 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sebo_fan, I like the Telios as well, its a good price in Argos, and looks very similar to the Miele S6 range. Unlike the multi-cyclonic bagless models that mostly don't have power variation dials, the bagged cylinders are adjustable and that's a good feature to have on a vac with 2200 watts max as that's bound to be noisy on full power.
Do you have the new Telios then? how do you rate the hose and tubes, and the floorhead for quality?


Post# 230701 , Reply# 64   4/30/2013 at 15:55 (4,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No, Steve I haven't bought it - the last cylinder I bought was a couple of months ago - a Miele S2 but I really don't like the S2 at all. The hose is too short, the fixed height suction tubes are too high and the cord too short. However I do like the fact that the S2 has a 1600 watt motor - I'm hanging around to see if Hoover have an Eco version of the Telios and may consider it....

From Argos stats it looks like the Telios has an equally short 1.5 metre hose but it wins against the Miele because it seems to have a touch longer cord, tools that hide behind a flap like the Miele S5, telescopic height adjustable tubes and a generally pleasing shape.

Having sampled one in Currys though (that white one) I wasn't taken with the plastic quality at all. The Miele S2 is slightly better than the Hoover Telios in that department though Hoover always claim 79dbl is quiet - in some markets the Telios seems to have a changing decible level for the 2200 watt and 2300 watt versions - 74dbl to 79bdl. Its a hard one to call but I much prefer Sebo or Miele for their quieter motors overall.



Post# 230710 , Reply# 65   4/30/2013 at 16:30 (4,006 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

But Ryan - Why do you need to have an Eco version when the standard Telios can be turned down to use less power - as with the Miele S6, you can go from 300W fully variable up to 2000W using the power selector.
I don't think the multi cyclonic bagless models can be varied due to the fact that cyclones wouldn't work properly at lower motor speeds, although the Vax Power 6 has a power selector and its a bagless model, but only uses single cyclonic separation.


Post# 230711 , Reply# 66   4/30/2013 at 16:38 (4,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Steve - it doesn't work quite like right - and you're not the first to get "sucked in" by the claims that manufacturers put on their settings on the dial.

The base rating plate tells the true story. What you think is "300" refers to the lowest output of the vacuum cleaner - thus for Miele, the S2's base rating is 1400 watts low, 1600 watts max. Thus it would be impossible to get "300" watts based on the lowest output rating.

The S5 & S6 with its 2000 watt motor has 1900 watts at its lowest, 2000 watts at its highest.


Post# 230714 , Reply# 67   4/30/2013 at 17:00 (4,006 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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PurePower GreenRay is only £69.99, 1400w and has the telezoom hose I prefer that to the Telios personally.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO ultraperformer's LINK


Post# 230847 , Reply# 68   5/1/2013 at 17:06 (4,005 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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That looks like a bargain, thanks!

Just been on Tesco's site tonight - they're selling those Electrolux Powerlite bagged uprights at an incredible cheap £37-00 price complete with pet hair turbo tool. I had to look twice at the price!

Seems that the most expensive Hoover upright that Tesco are selling is a red Turbo Power bagless upright at £129 and that's a bit of a surprise - I'd have thought Tesco would be selling the Globe by now.


Post# 230850 , Reply# 69   5/1/2013 at 17:15 (4,005 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
Electrolux Powerlite

Oh them, saw those on TD.com, great machine though, nan has one & it's a great vacuum, so quiet compared to Nans old Panasonic MCE3002! Give me an Electrolux anyday! Still have a Contour Flexihead from 1990 & it works perfectly.

Post# 230857 , Reply# 70   5/1/2013 at 18:17 (4,005 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
I agree.. but

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They're ok - I had two for many years - one without the pet hair attachment and one with - they're far easier to push than a Purepower will ever be but the Electrolux does suffer from cheap plastics AND my original model suffered from a breakage early on with the height adjuster dial. The hose on the Powerlite is the worst though, kinks at every corner - the Stairmaster long extension hose that Electrolux used to sell (and often appears on EBAY from third party sellers) is a much needed attachment that gives the Electrolux quite a bit of versatility.

As you say though, they are good vacuums if you're prepared to turn a blind eye to the plastics though - they also don't have 2 belts to change and the Electrolux is one of the more modern designs where the hood can be taken off to change the belt as opposed to the usual turning the upright over and removing base plates.


Post# 230899 , Reply# 71   5/2/2013 at 05:04 (4,005 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I can beat Tescos price for my Powerlite - paid just £12 for it on Ebay, only used a couple of times by an elderly lady who didn't like it and went back to a cylinder.
I have to say - its a very good budget vac, and I know the ose is crap but its not a Miele S7 is it, nor is it the same price.
Here is mine:


Post# 230923 , Reply# 72   5/2/2013 at 11:16 (4,004 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Electrolux Powerlite...

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my Mum had one of those for a few years, before replacing it with a Sebo Felix. We only paid £49.99 for it. It was a decent performer and nice to use, but as Ryan has pointed out, it suffered with very cheap plastic. The hose was ridiculous - it was too rigid and difficult to use - you'd get arm ache doing the stairs with it. The black 1800w model had a much better more flexible stretch hose that worked much better. The cable seemed very short on it and the cable storage was a bit of a pain as it was in a rather awkward place and quite low down on the machine. The brushroll is VERY aggressive and can often damage cheaper quality carpets as it spins at such high speed. But for the price, it wasn't half bad.

Post# 230972 , Reply# 73   5/2/2013 at 18:19 (4,004 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Just been on Amazon UK tonight -the Hoover Airvolution Eco Freedom upright is still on sale there, as is a handful of Hoover Slalom uprights.

Post# 231063 , Reply# 74   5/3/2013 at 14:31 (4,003 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

I had a lux power lite. It was a good vac just crappy hose! Gave it to my auntie in return for her Panasonic upright. But that went too lol

Post# 231147 , Reply# 75   5/4/2013 at 03:48 (4,003 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
Lux Powerlite

Now that you mention it, they do have flaws & the hose is crap but if you overlook that it's still a good machine, easy to replace the belt, strong suction & also turbo brush included!

What I don't like is that you get 1 extension tube with the crevice tool built in to the end of it.


Post# 231149 , Reply# 76   5/4/2013 at 04:06 (4,003 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yes they are very good vacuums for the price!

Post# 231162 , Reply# 77   5/4/2013 at 07:46 (4,002 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

They are & they're also cheaper than the Panasonics by £9 on Amazon. Plus they are quieter!

Post# 231175 , Reply# 78   5/4/2013 at 10:49 (4,002 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes but finding the synthetic dust bags for them can be a nightmare compared to the simpler Panasonic uprights that have been on the market for a lot longer - also the Panasonic uprights IMHO are a bit better built and offer a larger dust capacity.

Post# 231182 , Reply# 79   5/4/2013 at 11:34 (4,002 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
sebo_fan

5 Litres or therabouts, speaking of Synthetic Bags for the Powerlite, I went a bit overboard on those Electrolux kits I was telling you about on Ciao some moneths ago, & bought a further 10 of them as they went for really cheaply in the end! Now I am using the Lux Upright bags in the Panasonic as they both have the same bag design & I swear the Panasonic is better now! Seems to give so much more suction & really grooms the carpet well, so they're being used up.

Now what to do with about 12 Risor Visors, 6 Packs Lux Boss Cylinder Bags, 9 Boxes of Vacuum Freshners etc...


Post# 231189 , Reply# 80   5/4/2013 at 12:52 (4,002 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, with the 12 risor visor pet hair tools you have, simply sell them on EBAY as tools suitable for Henry, Hoover Purepower etc - you may well make a killing since they can be all used on 3.2cm/32mm sized tubes and also perfect for cleaning stairs with.

Post# 231195 , Reply# 81   5/4/2013 at 13:22 (4,002 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
They are Great tools

Shame they don't fit on the Panasonic tubes but they are new in box with adaptors so I might do, or sell them on here.

Post# 231201 , Reply# 82   5/4/2013 at 14:54 (4,002 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ive got one of those Risor Visor pet hair tools - they're okay for the price - and the adaptor fits Miele and Bosch - Panasonic is supposed to have the same Miele fitting diameter but I don't think it fits - I think its slightly wider.

Post# 231212 , Reply# 83   5/4/2013 at 16:42 (4,002 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
Yes, I think so...

I tried fitting the tool without the adapter on just the Panasonic hose, & they're both the same width.

Post# 231285 , Reply# 84   5/5/2013 at 09:42 (4,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well the hose on my Panasonic fails to fit Miele cleaning tools, so at least there's a lesson learnt there!

Post# 231301 , Reply# 85   5/5/2013 at 13:34 (4,001 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Oh well, Risor Visor Tools + Boss Cylinder Bags anyone???

Post# 231314 , Reply# 86   5/5/2013 at 14:42 (4,001 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

If take a riser visor but I don't have PayPal...

Post# 231316 , Reply# 87   5/5/2013 at 14:54 (4,001 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
I'm Selling Them for £10...

Is that OK? I don't want to give them away as they are brand new & worth £20 0n their own.

Post# 231333 , Reply# 88   5/5/2013 at 17:07 (4,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Bear in mind though that the equivalent non-branded risor visor ones are selling in Wilkos....

Post# 231337 , Reply# 89   5/5/2013 at 17:24 (4,001 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I know, all Wilko's vacuum tools are made by Electrolux.

Post# 231350 , Reply# 90   5/5/2013 at 18:00 (4,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well Wilkos are charging £8-65 for them, so if you charge more than that it isn't cost effective.

Post# 231353 , Reply# 91   5/5/2013 at 18:05 (4,001 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Might bring down the price then, either that or send a box of Vacuum Fresheners for free with every purchase.

Post# 231359 , Reply# 92   5/5/2013 at 18:35 (4,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thats a good idea about the fresheners!

Post# 231420 , Reply# 93   5/6/2013 at 03:13 (4,001 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Lol when Wilkos started selling those tools the Risor visors were £7!!

Post# 231424 , Reply# 94   5/6/2013 at 04:00 (4,001 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

The Fresheners smell nice, but they are about £3 a pack new so I mightaswell sell the Risor Visors for £10 but give each buyer Air Fresheners, even though there's less. Should say whilst stocks last!

dysondestijl... do you still want it?


Post# 231430 , Reply# 95   5/6/2013 at 06:47 (4,001 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Nah, i think I'll stick with my dyson mini turbine head:)

Post# 231447 , Reply# 96   5/6/2013 at 10:03 (4,000 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The one shown on the right hand side is a Wessel werk mini turbo brush and Argos used to sell these as a universal 3.2mm one. I have one of those - they were mega cheap to buy at the time and mirror the same design that Miele and SEBO sell.

Post# 232982 , Reply# 97   5/17/2013 at 11:23 (3,989 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Just made and uploaded video review of Wilko's universal "Electrolux Butterfly" cleaning brush.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK


Post# 233047 , Reply# 98   5/17/2013 at 18:31 (3,989 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
You got one too then!

As your video stated, excellent for the price. Seemed expensive at first but it has payed off, handy for use on the Morphy Richards instead of their nozzle!

Have you reviewed on Ciao! Yet?

Also, look on the ack of the cardboard piece & it says 'Made in Germany'


Post# 233052 , Reply# 99   5/17/2013 at 19:50 (3,989 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yep its on Ciao already - so much better than the crap tool on my Vax Mach Air.

Post# 233080 , Reply# 100   5/18/2013 at 02:19 (3,989 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        
Oh yes, better than the crappy tool

I get what you mean, 3in1 sounds good at first, but do Vax really think they'll be able keep it? I guess so, as its on many of their uprights.

Post# 233107 , Reply# 101   5/18/2013 at 05:14 (3,989 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        
3 in 1

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This is the one you get with new AEG cylinders, this ones from my UltraPerformer, I'm not impressed, nice horse hair bristles but the crevice tool is too short and it's noisy when using the dusting brush because of the airflow being forced through the crevice tool, luckily I kept the tools from my old TwinClean and they fit.

Post# 233173 , Reply# 102   5/18/2013 at 18:07 (3,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, Vax copied Dyson on that score where its slide down dust brush on the crevice tool is concerned. There's a previous thread about that on here.

To be honest though, from what Ultraperformer has posted, I think the tool from Wilko has slightly longer bristles - certainly the video I've posted on You Tube can attest to the almost silent quality - but then I am using a Miele vacuum cleaner at the other end.



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