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Post# 13390   5/5/2007 at 08:06 (6,192 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        

Anybody know the history of the 1521 models? What models had what colors and when they were made. I'm sure there is an expert that that could shed some light on these machines.
Thanks,
Nicholas

Post# 13405 , Reply# 1   5/5/2007 at 21:13 (6,192 days old) by lux1521 ()        
Thats my favorite area of Lux history!

 The Lux 1521 consisted of all metal body canisters after 1984. The Diamond J was the first. It came after the Silverado (model 1505) and had a new switch design and the automatic control interface had a modern look. It was the last model to have polished metal as trim on the canister top. A major difference was a new motor design. It is not the best motor that Electrolux used and was replaced on the next model. It is far smaller that the previous motor and had the same power. It had a white body with white/black trim(dark green). Later ones had slightly different trim. Early Diamond J models had a white PN5 power nozzle. Later ones had a black PN6. The PN6 had a on/off switch and not just a reset button. The PN6 also had a brush strip behind the opening to keep dirt from scattering on bare floors.
The next 1521 was the Marquise(1987). It was a dark tan with lighter tan trim. The metal on top was textured and painted the same tan as the body. It had a very light tan PN6 with dark tan trim. The canister had a new motor with the carbon brush holders intergrated into a brown plastic end bracket.
The next 1521 was the Grand Marquise(1988). It was white with blue trim. It had a new double ball bearing motor that was otherwise simmilar in design to the Marquise. The inside cover power rating was raised to 11 amps from 10 amps on the previous model. The rubber on the front cover and on the cord winder had the same texture as the body. The metal on top was painted blue. It had a white with blue PN6(or perhaps PN7, it's hard to tell by looking). Later ones may have had the newer style PN(non omni-flo) without a headlight. These may have actualy been early Ultralux canisters that were missing their name lables. It should be noted that the late Diamond J, Marquise, and Grand Marquise did not have name lables.
The early Ultralux(1989?) is really the same as a Grand Marquise. It might have a different power nozzle but otherwise it is the same(mechanicly and in color). They do have name lables.
The next two Ultralux canisters are the Ultralux LX and the Ultralux Classic. They both had power nozzles with the new headlights. The metal part around the handle was a metalic(goldish) paint on a textured surface. The Ultralux LX was white with blue side trim and white on the front cover and the cord winder. The Ultralux Classic was blue with white trim.
I have also seen a rare black Ultralux(made around 1994) that was the true end of the lux metal body caisters. If I remember correctly there were only 1000 made.

Other things worthy of mention:
Power nozzles after the PN6 did not have the bare floor brush strip. A few lighted L shape nozzles have edge cleaning strips but not one that goes the full width. Post PN6 nozzles also have smaller wheels and a stiffer "handeling". The front was less likely to pop up if you pushed foward too hard.
It should also be noted that there was a model called the Legacy, made sometime around the Grand Marquise. They look identical and they don't have name lables so you can't usualy tell what it is. I don't usualy use the Legacy name to avoid confusion with the new plastic vacuums.

If you want pictures of any related stuff (including PNs, motors, and anything else) feel fee to ask.

Post# 13420 , Reply# 2   5/6/2007 at 14:36 (6,191 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        
Thanks for the info

 I just bought this one on ebay. Is there a way to tell what model it is without the name label? Also do these machines have good motors? I have heard that the Diamond Js had cheaper motors that weren't as good as the older models (Super J, Silverado). I'd like to find one that has the blue body and white trim, but the are more expensive when they turn up on ebay. I'm a sucker for a blue paint job. ;)
Nicholas

Post# 13423 , Reply# 3   5/6/2007 at 16:05 (6,191 days old) by lux1521 ()        

You have a Grand Marquise. It looks like there never was a name lable on it. The motor in that model is one of the better ones. The Diamond J motor is a real mess and should be avoided. The Grand Marquise had a motor that evolved from the Diamond J motor with the major bearing flaw fixed. The diamond j had a sleeve bearing that has a tendency to go bad on you. The Grand Marquise has a replaceable ball bearing set that replaces the poorly designed sleeve bearings on prior models.

Although the motor in the Grand Marquise is quite good, all motors made after 1984 are nothing compared to the Super J motor. The Super J, Olympia, and Silverado had motors that were massive by comparison. All parts were replaceable and they were great. Chances are you will never see a moter like that in a new vacuum.

About the blue body and white trim. The Ultralux Classic is also one of my favorites and they look great. I sold one on ebay and just shipped it out on Thursday. It was nice but I'm a high school student saving up for a car so it had to go. It was item number 200103705806. In my ebay buying and selling experience I have bought and sold 2 Ultralux classics, so they are not impossible to find. If they were rarer I would have considered keeping that one.

If you want pictures of the motors for comparison I can post some.

Post# 13426 , Reply# 4   5/6/2007 at 17:05 (6,191 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        

I would love to see some motor pics if you have some.
Do the 1521s have suction as good as the Silverado? I'd like one that has the most power you can get! (insert Tim Taylor grunting noises!)
Side story: I got a rebuilt 1453 special model on ebay thinking that it would have the big motor in it. It isn't! My older machines L, G, F ... have way more power. I wish I would have known before I shelled out 50 bucks for one.
Also how do they compare to the plastic models? Are they the same motor do you know? I have a 2100 that I got at a thrift store for $13. I love the P/N 7 it came with. But the hose is a leaky woven type. It seems strong at the machine, but it's real weak at the end of the hose.
Thanks for your help.
Nicholas

Post# 13430 , Reply# 5   5/6/2007 at 17:38 (6,191 days old) by lux1521 ()        

In terms of power it seems to me that Silverados and 1521s have about the same power. I have a Silverado I will be selling in about a week that has about as much power as you can get. Really, power can change from machine to machine depending on motor wear and other factors.

The model 1453 you have should have plenty of power if it has a orignal motor and is working properly. I have seen some dealers install motors wrong and the vacuum has very little suction and that could be your problem. By the way, what color is it? I liked the white ones and it's been a while since I have seen a good one.

Now, about that 2100. First, your hose is shot. You can get a replacement for it for about $35.00 on ebay. After that it should be as good as new. Second, the PN7 can be loads of fun. With a good brush roll in them they can be great carpet cleaners. Third, the metal and plastic body motors are usualy the same depending on when it was made. If the motor sounds good now, and you take good care of it(change bags often), then it should stay that way and I woulden't worry about it. The motors tend to give you plenty of warning before they let go.

Below is a picture of a motor from a Marquise.

Post# 13433 , Reply# 6   5/6/2007 at 17:54 (6,191 days old) by lux1521 ()        

And a top view of the same motor. There will be more pictures to come later tonight.

Post# 13502 , Reply# 7   5/7/2007 at 10:12 (6,190 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        
1453

 My 1453 is silver. I took it to the Electrolux dealer a couple months ago when I bought it. He said it ran fine and that I got a bargain. It's all how you look at it I guess. It has plenty of power to be useful, but my expectations were way high. I still use it once in a while. I haven't tried it with a power nozzle yet. I won't have an electric hose for it until my Grand Marquise comes in the mail.
Nicholas
P.S. Thanks for the motor pictures I'm looking forward to seeing the rest.

Post# 13528 , Reply# 8   5/7/2007 at 20:53 (6,190 days old) by lux1521 ()        

Ok, I've got the rest of the picures. First up is the Diamond J motor (1984-1987).

Post# 13529 , Reply# 9   5/7/2007 at 20:55 (6,190 days old) by lux1521 ()        

And the Diamond J motor view from the top.

Post# 13530 , Reply# 10   5/7/2007 at 21:00 (6,190 days old) by lux1521 ()        

Now a trip back in time. The 1968-74 1205 motor. I am using this as a comparison to the Super J motor because they share the same structure and have identical fan assembleys. A Super J motor is like this with the electrical components about 25% larger.

Post# 13531 , Reply# 11   5/7/2007 at 21:02 (6,190 days old) by lux1521 ()        

And a 1205 motor view from the top.

Post# 13532 , Reply# 12   5/7/2007 at 21:07 (6,190 days old) by lux1521 ()        

A side by side comparison of the older 1205 motor to a newer but cheaper Diamond J motor. They are both lined up at the mounting plates. This allows you better imagine how they fit in the machines differntly.

Post# 13596 , Reply# 13   5/9/2007 at 07:39 (6,188 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        
1453 motor

 Thanks for the motor pictures. They gave me the motivation to take apart my 1453 last night. I was wondering about the suction. There is some sponge-like stuff at the back of the bag chamber; is this stuff supposed to seal? Some of it on the top is missing.
Also the whole back of this thing is covered with carbon dust from the brushes. I think it may just be getting worn out. What other motors would fit? The fan looks just like the Diamond J(about 3 inches high), but the electric side looks like the 1205 but taller (about 4 1/2 inches from the mounting plate. I guess a shorter motor would be fine but the fan would have to be the same, right?
This is the first 80's era machine I have tinkered with and any advice would be great.
Thanks,
Nicholas

Post# 13606 , Reply# 14   5/9/2007 at 13:48 (6,188 days old) by lux1521 ()        

It sounds like you have a Super J motor judging by it's size. Does it have the large rubber gasket like the 1205 motor?
Lots of carbon brush dust seems to be common on these motors. The brushes seem to be quite large compared to other motors on the market. The brushes can be removed quite easily so you can see how worn down they are. I would recommend that you have that motor serviced rather than buy a new motor. Most parts for those motors are still made and don't cost very much. New motors just don't compare in terms of quality, and they cost about $110.
The sponge stuff falls off once and a while. I have no idea what it does but I have seen many machine function fine without it. Perhaps someone else on here knows what it's for.

If you have a digital camera and could post a few pictures I could give better advice on what to do in terms of servicing the motor.

I am also posting the totalvac.com page with electrolux replacement motors and parts.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO lux1521's LINK
Post# 13616 , Reply# 15   5/9/2007 at 20:15 (6,188 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        

Thanks for the info. While I had the motor out I ran it and checked the suction right at the fan. Don't try this at home kids! It had a lot more power than when it was in the vacuum. I figure it must not have been lined up right with the bag chamber. I put it all back together and it runs smooth and stronger than before. Almost as good as my vintage machines. I still can't wait till my 1521 comes in the mail. It's been over a week now, I can't take much more suspense!
I forgot about the size. The fan does not have a big gasket like the 1205. It looks just like the Diamond J, but with a much taller and beefier motor. I was just curious about stuffing Super J guts in it to make a monster, but the fans stick out to far from the mounting plate. It has OK suction now so I will run it until it dies.
I would post some pictures but I can't get my camera to work with my computer. I would get a new camera, but I keep spending all my money on vacuums. You know how it goes!
Nicholas

Post# 13622 , Reply# 16   5/9/2007 at 22:14 (6,188 days old) by lux1521 ()        

This sounds like an interesting motor. It has been a while since I have done work on a 1453 so I can't remember exactly what the motor looked like. By the sounds of it you might have a modified Super J motor to begin with. It sounds like the lux designers might have decided to take the Super J motor, remove the gasket, then attach a mounting plate directly to the fan housings. Do your fan casings have bolts like on the 1205 motor? What is the diamiter of the fan casings?

I'll be interested to see what you think of your 1521 when you get it. It should have a nicer feel to it than your 1453. It will have a bit more metal on it and might also be a bit larger. You could also have some fun with the Automatic control.

Lastly, about that digital camera of yours. I might be able to help you with that. I "build" computers as a hobby so I can probably figure out what your problem might be and what you can do about it.

Post# 13625 , Reply# 17   5/9/2007 at 23:57 (6,188 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Diamond Jubilee

 I've had a DJ for a few years now, and I haven't had any trouble with its motor, nor have any of the other DJ owners I've known. The main problem point with the DJ was the bottom plate of the PN-5 power nozzle, which was plastic. The mounting holes where the brush roll bearing retainers are screwed into the plate tend to break.

There are no replacement bottom plates available. For a while, there was a redesigned housing available for the entire PN, but now Aerus has discontinued that, too.

A PN-5 in good shape is something to prize and take care of. It's an excellent power nozzle, so long as its bottom plate is intact and capable of keeping the brush roll bearings in place.

Post# 13628 , Reply# 18   5/10/2007 at 01:05 (6,188 days old) by lux1521 ()        

I assume that you treat your Diamond J nicely, and that is why it is still in good shape. The Diamond J motors tend to stay nice when used properly. They just don't seem to handle abuse very well. I have seen 4 or 5 Diamond Jubilees over the past 3 years and 2 have had bearing issues and another had a commutator bar missing. I have never seen any other Electrolux motor that has problems this frequently.

I completly agree that the PN5 is a great nozzle. I have never seen the problem that you described, although I can see how it could occour. I have 2 perfectly working PN5 nozzles at the moment, and have had many in the past. Using them is plenty of fun and they clean very well, although I prefer the PN6 with it's bare floor cleaning capibility.

Post# 13637 , Reply# 19   5/10/2007 at 07:58 (6,187 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        
1453 fan

 The fan on my 1453 does not have bolts around the outside. From the mounting plate to the edge of the fan it could pass fo a Diamond J motor. Sorry I didn't think to measure the diameter of the fan before I put it back together, but it was almost as big as the body so I would guess about 4-1/2 inches.

And the problem with my camera is that the drivers don't work with XP. My Aunt gave me an old computer running windows 95, but it won't work with that one. I'll just have to scrounge up a windows 98 machine.
Thanks,
Nicholas

Post# 13639 , Reply# 20   5/10/2007 at 12:45 (6,187 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
lux1521:

 My DJ was bought as a badly abused unit in a thrift store- I paid all of $2.02 for it. The canister was filthy inside and out, with the worst jam-ful dust bag I've EVER seen. The PN-5 was unusable, completely jammed with dust and dog hair, and it also had a frozen brush roll bearing and the bottom plate problem.

Repairs I made to it included a thorough cleaning, replacement of the PN-5's bottom plate, brush roll, and bearings, and a new set of tools. After some use, I had to replace the on/off switch, and I eventually had to replace the hose- the original woven hose developed a very bad leak near the handle. Aside from that, it's been pretty good.

The bottom plate problem was so common on PN-5's that Electrolux had a "retrofit" kit to correct it. It included a completely redesigned housing for the PN's head. You took the motor, electrical parts, and brush roll system from the original housing, and installed them in the new housing. I'm told that Aerus no longer supplies this kit.

Post# 13640 , Reply# 21   5/10/2007 at 13:26 (6,187 days old) by lux1521 ()        

1453 motors:
It sounds like the 1453 has a hybrid motor with features of both a super j motor and a diamond j.

Drivers are often a issue with digital cameras. If you give me your cameras model I might be able to find some correct drivers for you.

Diamond J:
I'm quite supprised that a diamond j in that poor condition still worked. I think your quite lucky to find it for only $2.02.

I'm now wondering if there is any easy way to tell if a power nozzle has a new bottom plate. It could be that many PN5s I have run across have already been fixed and I never noticed.

Post# 13663 , Reply# 22   5/10/2007 at 18:31 (6,187 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
lux1521:

 "I'm now wondering if there is any easy way to tell if a power nozzle has a new bottom plate. It could be that many PN5s I have run across have already been fixed and I never noticed."

There really isn't. To tell if a PN-5's bottom plate is good, you need to disassemble the PN as if you were going to change the brush roll, and inspect the area where the screws for the brush roll retainers go. Broken plastic in those areas means a new bottom plate is needed.

Electrolux did not supply replacement bottom plates for very long, because just replacing the bottom plate didn't fix the problem. The problem was that the screw holes for the brush roll retainers just were not sturdy enough in the original design. The redesigned housing kit was the factory fix for the problem, not a new bottom plate.

That having been said, many owners seem never to have experienced a problem. It seems to have been more prevalent with units that were suddenly jammed due to vacuuming up the fringe of a rug or something similar- the screw holes evidently couldn't take that kind of sudden force, even though they could take normal use.

Post# 13855 , Reply# 23   5/15/2007 at 22:26 (6,182 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
here is my 1521

 just got it on friday...it needs scrubbing!!

Post# 13879 , Reply# 24   5/16/2007 at 08:28 (6,181 days old) by luxg ()        

Jeff that is a real beauty, share with us where you got it.

Post# 13883 , Reply# 25   5/16/2007 at 10:25 (6,181 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
It has potential Terry...

 I got that from Ebay, its an Ultralux Classic. I had one a few years back and sold it, and have wanted one again ever since.
The canister just needs scrubbing and polishing, it runs and sounds great!
The powernozzle needs more help, it's filthy inside and kinda rattly sounding, plus the headlight is burned out.
I hope to have it all done in time for the party at Michael's in June, we shall see!

Post# 13889 , Reply# 26   5/16/2007 at 15:31 (6,181 days old) by luxg ()        

Good luck Jeff, that is such a beautiful machine and I can't wait to see it in person. Electrolux is one of my favorites as you know. The power nozzle shouldn't be to bad to repair.

Post# 13905 , Reply# 27   5/16/2007 at 21:23 (6,181 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
nope

 Terry all I think it needs is a good washing and a new brush and bulb, it will be as good as new
And yes you will definately see it in person
Jeff

Post# 13909 , Reply# 28   5/16/2007 at 21:43 (6,181 days old) by luxg ()        

I am sure looking forward to it Jeff!! Give Michael my best as well.

Post# 13921 , Reply# 29   5/16/2007 at 23:49 (6,181 days old) by scott55405 ()        

How is the noise level on these 1521 models as compared to the Super J, 1205 etc? The later ones are horrendously noisy, the Gs and those mentioned above are great, but I've never used a 1521.

Post# 13927 , Reply# 30   5/17/2007 at 01:47 (6,181 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
scott55405:

 This series is definitely louder than a 1205; I have one of those and I have a Diamond Jubilee. The 1205 has a very refined, almost soothing hushed sound. The DJ is a good bit louder, though still nothing like as noisy as today's jet-screech vacs. The DJ has somewhat more suction than the 1205, but the 1205 has every bit of power it needs to get the dust from the floor to the bag, and that's what really counts, isn't it?

Post# 13996 , Reply# 31   5/17/2007 at 21:46 (6,180 days old) by lux1521 ()        

I find that the 1521s sound quite good. The motor has a more modern sound than the 1205 and super j. It's hard to describe really. I actualy think that the power nozzle noise is often far more annoying than the canister itself, especialy on low pile carpet. The geared belts tend to get loud at high speeds.

And the rattle you find sometimes on the lighted power nozzles might be the headlight lens. They can come loose and rattle around in the housing sometimes. It can be rather annoying but it's a fairly easy fix.

I'm just glad to see collectors enjoy these later models.

Post# 13999 , Reply# 32   5/17/2007 at 22:57 (6,180 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
Mine's had a scrub and a polish...

 I had forgotten what a P.I.T.A. these p/n's were to take apart!
Here are the glam shots, this runs beautifully, just purrs!

Post# 14000 , Reply# 33   5/17/2007 at 22:58 (6,180 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
and the headlight shot...

 very nice!

Post# 14011 , Reply# 34   5/18/2007 at 01:31 (6,180 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
PITA:

 If you think that PN was a pain to deal with, I invite you to try getting the rubber bumper of a PN-5 off and then back on again. Whoever designed that was off his or her rocker.

Post# 14018 , Reply# 35   5/18/2007 at 07:49 (6,179 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
PITA

 I don't have that much experience with Electrolux, but the few I have worked on have been interesting to say the least!

I was thinking I'd get a new brush roll for this, but now after taking it apart once I don't know that I want to do that again!
(still not as bad as taking apart a Hoover Dial A Matic or Concept one!)

Post# 14023 , Reply# 36   5/18/2007 at 08:47 (6,179 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
FQ brushroll

 I just acquired a beautiful Princess III in like new condition. I've never been fond of the FQ power nozzles, the brushroll appears to be new on mine, however the bristles are really wimpy, I like a more aggressive approach. Does anyone make a brushroll with stiffer bristles?

Post# 14024 , Reply# 37   5/18/2007 at 08:49 (6,179 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
FQ brushroll

 I just acquired a beautiful Princess III in like new condition. I've never been fond of the FQ power nozzles, the brushroll appears to be new on mine, however the bristles are really wimpy, I like a more aggressive approach. Does anyone make a brushroll with stiffer bristles?

Post# 14026 , Reply# 38   5/18/2007 at 08:55 (6,179 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
EXCUSE ME!

 Excuse the last two posts about the FQ power nozzle, I guess I need more coffee before I go posting!

Post# 14106 , Reply# 39   5/19/2007 at 12:46 (6,178 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        
Update

 Yay it finally came! I just got my 1521 in the mail yesterday. Man it's got some power. It took me a few hours to take it apart and clean it. Lucky I did, I usually at least test a new vacuum outside first when I get it. But this time I took it apart first. I found that the switch was burned to a crisp! I had to borrow the switch from my 1453 to get it back together. Now that it’s cleaned out it’s in pretty good shape. I still can’t figure out why the bag chambers on mine are messy when I get them, they won’t run without a bag, any guesses on this?
I also tested the automatic function and it seems to work ok. It takes way more dirt to shut it off than my model Gs. I had the bag packed all the way into the neck with shredded paper and it still had tons of suction.
I also noticed that the exhaust put out a lot of heat. Is this normal for this model? It seems like a lot of electricity is wasted as heat.
Overall I’m pretty happy with this vacuum. I plan on making it my daily driver.
Nicholas

Post# 14117 , Reply# 40   5/19/2007 at 14:47 (6,178 days old) by lux1521 ()        
RE: Update

 Glad you like it.
It seems like about half of the Electrolux canisters I buy on ebay have a dirty bag chamber. Others are perfectly clean. I guess some people use aftermarket bags that don't filter very well or they use the wrong type of bag. I have seen many arrive that had the wrong bag type installed.

The heat you experience is fairly normal. If the motor sounds smooth, especialy when you turn it off, then I'd guess that it's fine.

It will make a nice daily driver for you. Glad you enjoy it.

Post# 14120 , Reply# 41   5/19/2007 at 15:51 (6,178 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dirty Bag Chambers

 You'd be absolutely amazed how many people run a vacuum 'til the bag bursts. When I got my Diamond Jubilee, it had a bag in it that was stuffed so full of crud and dog hair that it was hard as a rock, and there were splits in it, too. The only reason I took that vacuum cleaner home was that I wanted a Lux real bad, and it WAS only $2.02. Fortunately, a good cleaning resolved the problem (and the smell of the Hound of the Baskervilles, LOL).

What I have a hard time with is how anyone could do such a thing- aftermarket Lux bags are everywhere, very cheap. I guess remembering to pick up a supply is too much to ask of some people.

Post# 14184 , Reply# 42   5/20/2007 at 17:23 (6,177 days old) by scott55405 ()        
1205 has every bit of power it needs to get the dust from th

 Danemodsandy (and Lux1521) thanks for the insight on the 1521 sound levels. Danemodsandy I could not agree more with the statement you made and a portion of which appears above. It seems many if not most manufacturers seem to have lost sight of that fact in the horsepower/amps/whatever flavor of the week test they may be using at any given time.

I am reminded, however of its truth, everytime I use a 3 amp Royal or Hoover Convertible and see the beautiful job it does on carpeting it was probably never even really designed to be used on. I also read with interest the Consumer Reports sections from the 60s someone posted recently, and how they felt the power nozzle with the G, the Lux du jour of the day, did a pretty good job of rug cleaning.

I owned an Epic Electrolux for a short time and I found it so loud I just did not enjoy using it. It's entirely possible that the louder sound just made it seem so un-Electrolux-like to me that it was just throwing my sensibilities off balance. It did work fine, to be fair. I'd much prefer a model further back if I were using a Lux again. The plastic wands they used that contained all the wiring were kind of heavy and unwieldy for above the floor tasks like blind cleaning. It would be better served with the extra aluminum wands of old for non-power uses.

My daily driver canister these days is a Miele and of course that, the sound of the rushing air is more than the motor itself. Not sure what their secret is, if it's patented or the other manufacturers just don't care, but it strikes me odd that they're the only ones that seem to be able to make a machine with a modern, larger motor and maintain acceptable sound levels. I do wish they'd go to an electrically powered portable nozzle like the Sidekick, rather than the air driven type. I've yet to ever come across one of those that seemed much good.

Post# 14217 , Reply# 43   5/21/2007 at 00:44 (6,177 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Still not as bad as taking apart a Dial A Matic or a Concept

 Jeff....

DAMs and Concept Ones are a walk in the park! Once you take apart 10-20 or so, they become quite a bit easier!

What's not fun to take apart are the new Windtunnel 2, or Savvys. Yuck.

~Fred

Post# 14240 , Reply# 44   5/21/2007 at 10:37 (6,176 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
scott55405: Lux Wands

 Scott:

I feel your pain! I don't like the wands on new Luxes either, and they're not the same diametre as the old ones, so you can't fit a set of old wands to a new machine to get the convenience of aluminium wands back.

I have an extra set of wands for my Luxes, and an extra set of tools. All were picked up in thrift stores, and each of the tools is marked "DIRTY JOBS" with a Sharpie. These extras make a lot of jobs much easier. For instance, I can put four wands together to vacuum cobwebs off the high ceiling over the foyer. And if something nasty needs vacuuming up, I can use the dirty jobs tools, without getting the regular tools dirty. Very convenient. Since the 1205 and the Diamond Jubilee use the same tool design, the extras work on either machine.


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