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Post# 135991   5/10/2011 at 13:59 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        

The "New Generation" Rainbow just arrived today and what a machine. Thank you Ken Bashford for the PERFECT servcie!
Here asre the new boxes


Post# 135994 , Reply# 1   5/10/2011 at 14:03 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Here is the Aquamate

Post# 136000 , Reply# 2   5/10/2011 at 14:11 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

new Rainbow product to cleaning floors-THe RainJet

Post# 136003 , Reply# 3   5/10/2011 at 14:20 (4,728 days old) by rainbowkid107 ()        

can't wait to see more!

Post# 136004 , Reply# 4   5/10/2011 at 14:24 (4,728 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, Congratulations!!! I can't wait to see more pictures of it and to hear what you think of it. Keep us posted.

Terry


Post# 136005 , Reply# 5   5/10/2011 at 14:24 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

New Dolly-complete new design

Post# 136007 , Reply# 6   5/10/2011 at 14:41 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

new stainless direct connect wands and tools

Post# 136009 , Reply# 7   5/10/2011 at 14:52 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Complete System

Post# 136010 , Reply# 8   5/10/2011 at 14:56 (4,728 days old) by vacman117 (Chicago, IL)        

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Do you think you could post a picture of the bottom of the power nozzle? It looks so neat! And also, a picture of the machine running with the water? I'd love to see those LED lights!
Thanks!
Chase


Post# 136012 , Reply# 9   5/10/2011 at 15:11 (4,728 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
WOW!

that machine looks like beast! pardon me for asking, but does it seem overdone to anyone else? is there still seperate non electric wands/hose? and would you mind posting a picture of it all set up in normal cleaning mode?

Post# 136013 , Reply# 10   5/10/2011 at 15:12 (4,728 days old) by rainbowkid107 ()        

If you have a youtube account, would you mind doing a video? :D

Post# 136014 , Reply# 11   5/10/2011 at 15:21 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Rainbow and power nozzle

Post# 136015 , Reply# 12   5/10/2011 at 15:25 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

bottom of power nozzle

Post# 136016 , Reply# 13   5/10/2011 at 15:32 (4,728 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I want one !

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Can you refer a seller for this new rainbow . I live in NJ and there are no Rainbow Sales people in my area . I want the new Rainbow . I love it .

Post# 136017 , Reply# 14   5/10/2011 at 15:39 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Here is the lighted basen. I had to put it in the laundry room to take the picture with the light off

Post# 136018 , Reply# 15   5/10/2011 at 15:47 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

This baby is QUIET,QUIET,QUIET. When I first turned it on I thought I had the low setting.The power nozzle is very quiet too. Very high quality look and feel.
Thank you again Ken Bashford. I love the machine. Ken is a member of our club and gave first class customer service.

Ken is located in Autin,Texas.
his number is 512-451-8993


Post# 136023 , Reply# 16   5/10/2011 at 16:07 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Here are a few of the changes on this machine:
(1) new color
(2) new power nozzle with rotating side brushes
(3) led lights on power nozzle
(4) new 2 piece electric stainless wands
(5) new off/on/pause handle cotrol for power nozzle
(6) new hose handle with suction reducer on hose handle
(7) new dolly design (much better-does not catch on edge of the rugs)
(8) Led lighting in the water basin
(9) MUCH QUIETER motor and power nozzle
(10) 60% increase in air flow at power nozzle
(11) improved cord storage system
(12) new design of bare floor tool
(13) longer electric and wet pick-up comb hose
(14) new power brush aquamate
(15) new Rainbowjet floor cleaner
(16) everything is dire3ct connect
(17) hose hande will fit into power nozzle for stair cleaning
(18) much improved instruction book with pictures
(19) new power nozzle and wand design stands by isself and I LOVE the size
(20) steerable power nozzle


Post# 136024 , Reply# 17   5/10/2011 at 16:30 (4,728 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
WOW

The Power Nozzle is completely different! I hope it cleans better than the old style. How high is the PN's profile?

Post# 136031 , Reply# 18   5/10/2011 at 17:28 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Power nozzle has 3 inch clearance. Big,big difference in the air flow at the carpet.
Several things I have noticed that like already are the fact that the Rainbow will store on the dolly without the water pan and it will not opererate
unless the water pan is attached.
I like the longer hose and new floor brush and the fact that all the attachments lock on. My old SE had friction connect tools.
The new Dolly works so much better. I can pull it onto and off the edges of throw and scatter rugs and it does not get caught on the edge. All the wheels on the dolly and power nozzle are rubber coated so they are very quiet.
The rotating side brushes work great around table and chair legs.
The best part is that it is so quiet.


Post# 136039 , Reply# 19   5/10/2011 at 18:10 (4,728 days old) by rainbowkid107 ()        

will you be doing a video of it running?

Post# 136064 , Reply# 20   5/10/2011 at 20:15 (4,728 days old) by vacfan6384 (Larksville,PA)        

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Gorgious vac would love to see a video. Someday if I win the lotto joke or can save up I would someday like to own one two but too expensive for me right now. I am happy with my SE

Post# 136066 , Reply# 21   5/10/2011 at 20:25 (4,728 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

AMAZING!!!!

I am speechless. That is one incredible looking machine. Cant wait to try one out some day!


My hats off to rainbow!


Post# 136067 , Reply# 22   5/10/2011 at 20:26 (4,728 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        
WOW!

Does anyone else think it has a bit of a "Darth Vader" look to it?  That power nozzle is a real innovation.  I think a trip to my local dealer is on my to-do list for sure. 

 

Neil


Post# 136075 , Reply# 23   5/10/2011 at 20:56 (4,728 days old) by Trebor ()        
Is there...

still a Rainbowmate availaboe? Didn't see one in the pics.

I like the new machine very much


Post# 136082 , Reply# 24   5/10/2011 at 21:48 (4,728 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        

Wow that's cool! I love the light-up pan. Too bad they are not more affordable. I would buy one if I could spare that much cash.
Nicholas


Post# 136100 , Reply# 25   5/11/2011 at 02:21 (4,728 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Amazing

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Hi Rob,

 

Thanks for posting, I like the new hard surface cleaning kit. I know you mentioned using the rainbow on your garage floor and this looks like that kit will make it even easier. I have an E Series that I am going to use to clean my garage floor this year as I have tried a steam cleaner after vacuuming etc....ok but....

 

 

Thanks for posting all the wonderful pictures,

 

Bud


Post# 136107 , Reply# 26   5/11/2011 at 05:13 (4,728 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Oh my God above!

I'm SOOOOO JEALOUS! It looks awesome and the direct connect would be SO MUCH easier and I like the fact that the PN doesn't choke off airflow. That Aquamate looks HUGE......I'm not sure if I'm liking the design of the box...Still thinking on that one.


Post# 136108 , Reply# 27   5/11/2011 at 05:27 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Trebor,
Yes the Rainbowmate is available. I have one coming. The machine is so new that they had not come in yet.
I used it last evening and they really have made some wonderful improvments. Such a difference in the air flow on the carpet.
I want to try out the Rainjet and see hlw it works on the hard surface floors.

I noticed that now Rainbow has the following:
(1) AHAM Certified air cleaner
(2) Carpet and rug institute seal of approval
(3) Certified asthma & allergy friendly by Ashma and Allergy Foundation of America

Just glad they made improvments and did not cut corners and make it a cheaper product.
The powered side brushes and the new brushroll on the power nozzle really make a difference in how the carpet looks and the air flow at the nozzle. Changeing the on/off/pause switch makes it much easier to use when going from carpets to throw rugs. I like the fact that I can have the power nozzle turned on without having to grip the switch.


Post# 136109 , Reply# 28   5/11/2011 at 06:14 (4,728 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
I thought the same thing when I first saw the new box but in person they are very attractive and I think it gives the machine a new "fresher look" for the presentation to the customer. It makes you want to see what is in the box.

The new lighting in the basin lets the user easily see when the water needs to be changed. The led lights are positioned to show the churning motion of the water and a new Rainbow customer can quickly see with ONE swipe of the power nozzle the dirt,dust and grit being picked up and at the same time you are not smelling any dust from the exhaust. If you are a regular Rainbow user you understand that you not only don't smell dust but you become used the room having a better fresher smell.


Post# 136110 , Reply# 29   5/11/2011 at 06:24 (4,728 days old) by Vacuumalex ()        
Thread Number: 12723 "New Generation " Rainbow Just

Hmmm...looks kind of "retroish," to me.


Post# 136112 , Reply# 30   5/11/2011 at 06:36 (4,728 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

This new Rainbow cleaner sounds kinda neat-and the new powernozzle is sure an improvement over the older design-the spinning "whisker" brushes sounds like a good idea-other powernozzles should have this feature.Is the motor in this machine variable speed?Would think rainbow would incorporate a variable speed motor in the new model.Guess I gotta give the Rainbow dist here a call!Would be fun to try and the lights in the bin are a good and novel idea.

Post# 136168 , Reply# 31   5/11/2011 at 16:19 (4,727 days old) by unconscious (London, UK)        
OMG!

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WOW! It's soo cool! Amazing and beautiful! Is there only one hose? How the Rainjet works?

Post# 136188 , Reply# 32   5/11/2011 at 19:00 (4,727 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Radek,
The old system used to have one wand for the power nozzle and another set of wands for regular cleanng and yet ANOTHER set of wands for the Squeegee. Also used to have 2 hoses. TOO MUCH STUFF to store.

Now have have ONE long electric hose that works for everything and ONE set of electric wands that are used for the power nozzle,Aquamate and Rainbowjet.
To change from one type of cleaning to washing the floors,all you have to do is slip the bottom wand off and slip the Rainbowjet on. The electric wands take care of the pump in the Rainbowjet. The direct connect wands are great and so much easier to switch from one type of cleaning to use either the Aquamate or the Rainbowjet.
When using the Rainbojet you start with an empty basin. Today I used the Rainbowjet first to wash my kitchen,breakfast room and front hall,then all I had to do was add a little more water for the basin and change the BOTTOM wand from the Rainbowjet to the lower wand and power nozzle. So easy and quick.
It took me just minutes to do 3 rooms of floors.
It takes very little water to use the Rainbowjet and it leaves the floor perfectly dry. The new stainless wnads lock and unlock very easy and they are the same size as the old wands. The trigger that operates the power nozzle also is used to dispense the Rainbowjet cleaning fluid.


Post# 136264 , Reply# 33   5/12/2011 at 01:57 (4,727 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

the "Rainbowjet" replaces the "Aquamate"?

Post# 136270 , Reply# 34   5/12/2011 at 03:48 (4,727 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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No......If you look at the entire system in the pic above, you can also see the Aquamate.....So it is something different.

William........I'm so jealous of you at this point!!!!!!!!

GRRRRRRRRR


Post# 136271 , Reply# 35   5/12/2011 at 04:43 (4,727 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

You were so fortunate to get the things like the "Aquamate","Rainmate"-with the dealer here you have to do the name bit-provide something like 30 names total of 60 to get those two attachments.They are not sold by the dealer here.Only get them with name lists.I do like how the Aquamate has been updated over the simple one Rainbow used to have.And the Rainmate for folks with hard floors.Sounds like a nice attachment.

Post# 136272 , Reply# 36   5/12/2011 at 05:06 (4,727 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatiuon Rainbow arrived

Mark,
Well come on up to Fishers and give it a try. Tania will be coming for a visit real soon.
I am going to try the new designed Aquamate today. The RainbowJet is the new product designed to clean all types of hard surface floors and the Aquamate is for cleaning rugs and carpeting.
I just ordered a second basin to use for the air cleaning. I tired it one night and was surprised to see what it had pulled in from the air overnight.
I still have the Rainbowmate coming. The machine is so new that Ken did not have the new Rainbowmates in yet.
What makes the BIG difference is that now all 3 systems (power nozzle,Aquamate and Rainbowjet) use the same electric hose and wands so change over from one system to another is quick and simple and of course less parts to store.
The warranty is 4 years for whole machine but the Hurricane motor and control board is covered for 8 years. I feel like Kirby,Rainbow has invested a lot of money in getting it right with the electric hose and wands. Time will tell!


Post# 136273 , Reply# 37   5/12/2011 at 05:18 (4,727 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatiuon Rainbow arrived

Rex,
The dealer I used is a member of our club. Give Ken a call as he shipped mine from Texas. He gives fast service and fair price.


Ken Bashford

512-451-8993


Post# 136274 , Reply# 38   5/12/2011 at 06:04 (4,727 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Getting ready to try the new Aquamate today. Easy set up. You use the same electric hose and wands. All you have to do is click the Aquamate on the end of the wand and the electric wands supply the power and the same hose handle 3-way switch for the power nozzle now operates the Aquamate. It has 3 positions with foot pedal:
(1) carpet clean + water (clean)
(2) water only (rinse)
(3) Extract only
The new carpet cleaning formula is a combination cleaner,reconditioner,deodorizer and protector. Very concentrated so you use very little of the cleaner in the tank.
The new Aquamate has 2 self containded tanks. One for cleaning solution and one for clean water. All self contained. You no longer have to worry about overfilling the water basin because the total in both water tanks on the Aquamate just fill the Rainbow water basin and of course with the new lighted basin you can check your progress.


Post# 136275 , Reply# 39   5/12/2011 at 06:18 (4,727 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatiuon Rainbow arrived

Here is a view of the underside and revolving brush.
One tank full did 14 by 18 family room carpet.


Post# 136276 , Reply# 40   5/12/2011 at 06:25 (4,727 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Will bins from an older E2 Rainbow cleaner fit the new one?I have an extra large bin.Like the Aquamate from the pictures-you use it kinda like the powernozzle!Should be far more effective than the older one with the manually pushed brush nozzle.And the electric hose for water pickup-interesting.Always remembered Rainbows and other wet pickup type vacs had two hoses-one-non electric for wet,and the electric one for dry only.Guess I will have to give Ken a call-thanks for the info!May be better to try to get the vacuum from him than the local place.

Post# 136283 , Reply# 41   5/12/2011 at 09:00 (4,726 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Rob

Let me ask. With this Aquamate, does it say in the owners guide that you can only use cool water? Is that true? Another thing I wondered about the Aquamate as opposed to, say a hoover steamvac, is the water lift. I know any regular vacuum "to me" always seems to have better suction than a deep cleaner......So I'm *thinking* the extraction power on the Aquamate with the Rainbow's good suction would extract more water.......

It's such a HUGE improvement to have the ONE electric hose for EVERYTHING.....That's what I've always loved about my Kenmore Can was the direct connect......I can't imagine what you must have paid for all of this. Hopefully the direct connect won't have future problems. Usually that's one thing about Rainbow is that it's so reliable.


Post# 136286 , Reply# 42   5/12/2011 at 10:13 (4,726 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatiojn Rainbow arirved

Mark,
I tried it out this morning. The carpet was dry very fast because you have the FULL SUCTION and AIRFLOW from the Rainbow itself. I have a Steam vac and this is just me-but I always thought it left so much water in the carpets and was so heavy to push-pull and carry.
When I used my Steam- vac I would finnish by going over the carpet with my SE Rainbow and an empty pan. I would just use the fuller brush and it would still pull so much more moisture out of the carpet.
One thing about this new Aquamate is that the 2 tanks hold just the amount that will fill the regular Rainbow basin with the extract so you you don't have to worry about over filling the basin. The new Solution is very concentrated. I cleaned 14X18 family room with solution left over from one capfull. Yes you do use cool water. No need for hot water because of the formulation of the cleaner.
I will be surprised if I have trouble with the New Rainbow. I have had my SE for 18 years and used it in the garage,screened porch and it has taken a couple of tumbles down the stairs over the years. I think when you make one product (like Kirby) they want to make sure and do it right.
A friend in the vacuum business told me they spent a lot to develope and test the water pick up electric hose and wands but it sure makes changing from one system to another easy.
The nice feature about the Aquamate, just like the new Rainbow and power nozzle is that it is so quiet.


Post# 136291 , Reply# 43   5/12/2011 at 11:01 (4,726 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
That machine IS impressive!

Does Rainbow only sell the machine with all accessories or will they let a buyer purchase the machine "a la carte", meaning you can pick and choose your accessories? I'd like to get everything for dry vacuuming but I don't care for the wet accessories.

Post# 136293 , Reply# 44   5/12/2011 at 12:40 (4,726 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

John,
I do not know the answer to your question. Give Ken a call. He is in Austin Texas. I am sure he can help you out and answer any questions.
Number 512-451-8993.


Post# 136310 , Reply# 45   5/12/2011 at 15:38 (4,726 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
Looks nice, but I won't be buying one....

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It's great that Rainbow made some much-needed upgrades to the vacuum, such as the direct-connect wands & lighted water basin. But, I don't like the design of the new dolly, don't like the design of the new Rainbow logo, & that powerhead is just HORRIBLE!! The surface area it would cover is too small, considering how much the vac costs to buy. Plus, the brushroll looks wimpy & like it wouldn't clean the carpet deeply, & the edge groomers look like they will be problematic. They should have just kept the brush stiffeners on the brushroll & added stationary brushes on the side like Orecks have. Also, I hear no mention at all whether the new powerhead has a cog or V-belt or not. Considering that Rainbows sell for a little over $2,400 CDN, this is unacceptable & these should be standard features.

If this is all Rainbow's designers are capable of, they should have just gone to Wessell Werk & sourced a powerhead from them. Looks like if I buy a Rainbow now, it will be a E2 Blue Platinum model.

Rob


Post# 136315 , Reply# 46   5/12/2011 at 16:16 (4,726 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
new rainbow

id buy one its better then most vacuums

Post# 136329 , Reply# 47   5/12/2011 at 18:26 (4,726 days old) by airwaylady (Milwaukee, WI)        
"Rainbow Frenzy"

WOW Rob!

You have created quite a stir with this New Rainbow!
Happy you were able so acquire one for yourself and Happy Vacuuming to you!

Tania


Post# 136345 , Reply# 48   5/12/2011 at 20:38 (4,726 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Tania,
I am saving the sofa and chairs for you to give it a try! I really like the machine. So quiet and smooth. You should see my plush carpets. It really pulled the nap up. I want you to try that new Rainbowjet on the kitchen floor. Bam and it's done! Looking forward to your vist. Very powerful air flow and suction.
They made so many nice improvements.
Rob


Post# 136346 , Reply# 49   5/12/2011 at 20:41 (4,726 days old) by Crevicetool (GA )        
Rob,

Thanks so much for introducing the new Rainbow to us. This has been a most interesting thread for sure. You have done a wonderful job showing to us.

Congratulations on the machine. It's just great!



Rick


Post# 136347 , Reply# 50   5/12/2011 at 20:46 (4,726 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

I totally agree with everyone's interest in this new cleaner!  I am pea-green with envy that you got this cleaner!  You're probably one of the FIRST people in the COUNTRY to have this new Rainbow, it's so new!  Congratulations! 

 

You'll definitely have to bring it to the convention with you this year so we can all play with it!  **nudge, nudge**

 

Fred


Post# 136369 , Reply# 51   5/12/2011 at 23:51 (4,726 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I really like the look and all the improved features.... thank you for sharing and congratulations on getting such a new and fun vacuum. That not being able to set the machine on dolly without the water basin always drove me crazy.

Do you have a picture of the switch? That's always my favorite part of a vacuum. How is the cord storage improved... they didn't give it a retractable cord finally, did they?

I like the edge cleaners and head light and swivel neck of the new power nozzle, but for some reason, at least to me, the new power nozzle just looks "cheaper" than the old one.


Post# 136378 , Reply# 52   5/13/2011 at 01:47 (4,726 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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You can set the machine on the dolly without the basin.....It locks in place. At least it does in my e2

Post# 136385 , Reply# 53   5/13/2011 at 05:03 (4,726 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yesterday when I got home from work after reading this thread----went ahead and called my local Rainbow dealer to see if he got the new Rainbows in stock-He Has!just got them!So I was the first customer in town to buy one!And yes I really like it!Contrary to what some say about the powernozzle-I think its a BIG improvement over the one that came with my older E2.The new Rainbow is termed "E2B"E2 Black.I like the new roller base-its got bumpers on the edges-when you pull a full Rainbow along-it can bang pretty hard into walls or furniture.And I tried the machine breifly--the new powernozzle dug up MORE dirt than the older one ever could.I think the "whisker" brushes are very clever-makes the nozzle clean better against walls-and on either side.Hell,I might try to use this nozzle on my other vacs,too.and like that it has a headlight.I think Rainbow has a winner here--wonder if Kirby will follow in Rainbows footsteps?and like the lighted bin-so cool to watch while vacuuming with the machine-and you see the dirt build up!Since I was a first customer-gave me a special price.but the Rainmate and Aquamate they won't sell me-have to play the "name game" for those items.Maybe I should order those items from Ken.they both would be helpful.and like how this new Rainbow is quieter than the older one.This thread inspired me to get it.Since I got it after coming back from Mid shift-didn't get much time to play around with it.But do like it-may end up using this machine along with my Sebo,Neile,Royal ,canisters.The bins for this and the older E2 look alike-should be interchangeable.Will have to try it.The saleslady was so excited to sell me the vacuum-was her first one of this model-she took my picture and will post it on their sales board.Will go over to see.I was posed with the machine and it going.suggested to her to take the picture with the machine running and bin lights on.I did feel good for her.And she was going to look thru the trade in pile for vacuums for my collection.

Post# 136389 , Reply# 54   5/13/2011 at 06:49 (4,726 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
I think..

It would make sense to have a power nozzle like that. First, you only really need something for surface dirt close to walls, because that area doesn't get worn. The smaller brushroll area would really concentrate that powerful suction, so I bet it is a heck of a deep cleaner. :)

Post# 136390 , Reply# 55   5/13/2011 at 06:50 (4,726 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Bobby,
Here is a shot of the switch,new cord wrap and rear of dolly. You can now just loop the cord and hung it if you don't want to wrap the cord every time you use the machine several times a week as I do with a dog shedding hair.
The pictures don't do the power nozzle justice. Now the machine does not have a shine,slick plastic look.
You will be shocked when you run that new power nozzle. It cleanes the entire front surface,not just where you see the brushes and it, like the machine is quiet.


Post# 136405 , Reply# 56   5/13/2011 at 09:33 (4,725 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Aside from the changes........Is this still the same motor and air lift as the 2 speed model?

Tolivac......They wouldn't sell you the Aquamate??????? That's odd. I mean they are in the business to sell their product. LOL


Post# 136407 , Reply# 57   5/13/2011 at 10:37 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Lane,
You got it right. That was what I was trying to explain. The brushes do come in from the sides but does it ever have high air flow and suction on the carpet. I think the large diameter of the agaitatior and small opening also contributes.
I was just shocked when I started to use it on my thick plush carpeting. When you pull it back to you it leaves the carpet nap all standing up with no streaks or center missed area including the area on the ends where the revolving brushes are located. It also has a center DIRECT dirt and air path like an old Hoover.
The test for me was around the table and chair legs in the breakfast room on the braided rug. It snatched up dog hair before you even get to it.
I do like the pause feature on the switch. It works good when you come to the end of lightweight rug. You can release the switch which turns the brush off and not ruin the rug edge. I also like the fact that now you can LOCK the power nozzle in ON mode when doing a large area.
I gave it the test and let it run on the same spot for several minutes and NO damage to the rug which is a lot more than I can say about some of my other new vacuums. Take a good look at the groves and design of the channels on the bottom of the rug plate.
Now let's get that new Kirby on the market!


Post# 136411 , Reply# 58   5/13/2011 at 11:28 (4,725 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

How many feet-long is that hose, Rob?  Do they offer a longer hose anymore?  I know they used to have maybe an 8' hose and also a 12' hose available for purchase.  I also see that it no longer comes with a suction-only hose, but do they still make one available for those who may want one?

 

Fred


Post# 136414 , Reply# 59   5/13/2011 at 11:53 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Fred,
I know they offer an optional 14 ft electric hose. This hose is a foot longer than my SE hose. Not sure if they will offer the non electric hose any longer. Really no need for one since they developed this electric hose for the Aquamate and Rainbowjet. It makes switching from carpet cleaning to floor washing so much eaiser. Just click the wand on and your are ready to go.
They did re-design the hand grip and now has a suction relief opening. I do like the fact that the wands and hose handle are not big and heavy.
You can connect the hose handle to the power nozzle or use just ONE wand.
You would be a better judge than me but the whole system seems to be very well made and sturdy. That new dolly design is so much better with the 5 wheels and shape. It does not get caught on the edge of the carpet,goes sideways and bang the walls like my SE. I like watching the dirt churn, It looks like our old Frididare washer that had the 3-ring agitator!


Post# 136416 , Reply# 60   5/13/2011 at 12:07 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Fred,
They may offer the straight suction hose. I just don't know the correct answer. I think it was kind of cool that they went to the black color on the 75th Anniversary sort of like the old Black Rexiar "B". ONLY a collector would notice that trivia!

When using the new cord wrap holder,you do not have to remove all the cord. You can just unwind what you need to use. Also note that ALL the action parts are color coded for the customer. I think my Dysons have that nice feature.


Post# 136429 , Reply# 61   5/13/2011 at 14:17 (4,725 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, thanks so much for starting this thread!  You have a wonderful machine there for sure!!  So what is the length of the hose on your machine?  Are you using it as an air cleaner full time as well?  I sure would like to give one of these new machines a spin!!

 

Terry


Post# 136430 , Reply# 62   5/13/2011 at 14:20 (4,725 days old) by ryanm (New York )        

It seems everything I didn't like about the E series machine I bought 5 years ago has been addressed in this new model. The new base appears to have protection so the machine does not chip woodwork hitting walls and furniture, which is one of my main issues with my model. The machine itself is very heavy and swings all over the place when on bare floors, thus hitting into things. Maybe with the new design that would be eliminated. I also hate the gas pump grip on my model, having to hold down the lever all the time to keep the power nozzle on or else it goes off, this new design is so much better. I also hate the attachment caddy on the E series, it catches on to my hose all the time, I liked my old model where the attachements went around the machine rather than sitting above the hose. I didn't buy the rainbowmate with mine, as it was cumbersome and confusing to use, but it appears this is one of the best improvements I see, this aquamate looks so easy to use, just like having a larger power nozzle. I also like the wands, not having to get two sets of attachments. I think they did a fabulous job on the new model. Good luck to you on your new machine! I wish I could trade mine in for the new model, but much to expensive after paying for a new one once already.

Post# 136432 , Reply# 63   5/13/2011 at 14:56 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Ok now it's off to work scrubbing the porch and give the Rainbowjet a try. It took 10 minutes and one tank of solution. Because the floor cleaner is concentrated you only have to empty the Rainbow once at the end of the process. I pick up a cup of water and it self cleans the hose and wands.

Post# 136433 , Reply# 64   5/13/2011 at 15:09 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Terry,
I think this hose is about 8 feet from end to end. The book shows an optional longer hose.
Who knows what they will offer in the future. I have used it as an air cleaner in the morning after cooking breakfast but I hate stuff sitting out so it will end up back in the closet.

Michael,
This dolly is much better than the one on my SE. As a matter of fact I never used the dolly because it was always going sideways and banging into the walls and when you went to pick up my SE,the machine would drop off the dolly sometimes.


Post# 136497 , Reply# 65   5/14/2011 at 01:34 (4,725 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

It is strange here-the dealer doesn't want to sell the Aquamate or the Rainmate unless you provide a list of names.HATE THAT-just want to buy the attachments.It would be more logical to sell them to the client rather than pester him for names.I think Rainbow is the only DTD vacuum dealer that still does the name bit.

Post# 136499 , Reply# 66   5/14/2011 at 02:45 (4,725 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I know!

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I mean, I can understand if you bought a Rainbow from the dealer and they would give you an Aquamate "IF" you gave them a list of names and they ended up buying a Rainbow or something..........But to want to out and out buy one and they say no? That's the strangest thing.

When I bought my e2 five years ago, they gave me the Rainbowmate for free because I asked for it....Though it was really not for free.

For those who have the e2 2 speed. There is supposed to be a wet handle kit you can purchase to make your electric hose approved for wet pick up, without having to buy a new electric hose. I don't think the Aquamate can be used on the one speed e series? I can't remember where I read that. At any rate, the Aquamate 3's are on back order at Goodvac......Perhaps in the future I will trade my Rainbow......But even at trading it it will still be outrageous, so I dunno.


Sorry to ramble.........Too much coffee

For the poster above that said the tool caddy on the e series gets in the way of the hose....Thank you! I agree. I don't have too many problems with mine running into the wall though.


So Rob........You never had an E series?........You went from the older Rainbow to this beast? You sure are giving this thing a workout, which is exactly what you should be doing to make sure it's going to hold up.


Post# 136502 , Reply# 67   5/14/2011 at 04:06 (4,725 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
New Rainbow

is quieter? That is great. If it is quieter than the E2 speed models I will definately buy one. My E2 speed is out in the garage in it's box because it is so loud it hurts my ears.A shame since it cost so much.. But I still have my old SE Performance edition or my Chrome Dome to use when ever I get in a Rainbow mood. Both of the old ones are so much quieter than the E2 speed model. And since we don't have a Rainbow dealer in this state I will have to give Ken a call in Austin and get one from him....

Post# 136505 , Reply# 68   5/14/2011 at 06:19 (4,725 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes--thats right-the front mounted tool rack interferes with the hose.the Saleslady suggests not using it.

Post# 136506 , Reply# 69   5/14/2011 at 06:25 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Dan,
I have had my SE for 18 years and one reason I never bought the E was the noise level. I did see and E2 at the dealers but I thought it was still somewhat loud. This new machines is very quiet and has a pleasing sound more like an old Electrolux. That along with the new power nozzle made me want to get it.
Almost everythig you touch has been improved.
My problem now is that I have been using the SE exclusivly upstairs for the last year and once I got used to NEVER smelling dust or odors now I don't want to mess with vacuums that smell and I don't want to be buying expensive bags and filters. I had never really seen the benefit of the Rainbow before because I would use it for a while and then trade off to another bag or bagless type machine. After I had used my SE for about 3 months I really noticed there was no more dust on the table tops,tv screen,blinds etc. Even with my old SE which I did not like the power nozzle, I could bring either of my powerful uprights and get NOTHING that the old Rainbow was leaving in the carpet. So even though I didn't like the looks of the carpet with the old power nozzle, it was getting the dirt.
I am the first one to agree that the RAINBOW IS not for everyone. I still love my old Kirby Legend and Hoovers but not going to be using them upstairs in the house and start chasing dust again.
Also wanted ot note that the new fuller brush is very well designed and the brushes are very very soft. It would be very good if you owned fine polished hardwood floors.
My problem is that I like to PLAY with the different vacuums,but don't like to CLEAN house over and over again.


Post# 136508 , Reply# 70   5/14/2011 at 06:32 (4,725 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I still like my Kirbys,metal Royals,and such for the carpet work.Use my canisters-Rainbow included for the other vacuuming jobs.The rainbow is sort cool and fun to use-but requires more set up and take down time than others.I have no dust problems from the Kirbys,royals or other uprights I use.In the bagged machines use the multilayer bags or the Filtrete ones.no exhaust dust.If you go bagless-the Rainbow is the best bet-you get a new primary "filter" each time you fill the bin!And dumping the bin outside truely gets the dirt outside.

Post# 136510 , Reply# 71   5/14/2011 at 07:21 (4,725 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I'm not getting the thing about the E series being loud. At least the 2 speed model I have doesn't seem overly loud at all to me for a vacuum. I haven't seen or used a one speed E series so I don't know.

I would take the tool caddy off my Rainbow but I actually use it all the time.

Hey Robert...........Do you have any idea if that electric hose where it plugs into the rainbow unit itself is the same as the E series connection? It looks the same from what I can see in the pics but something tells me it wouldn't work. Reason I'm asking is that it's possible I could get the hose and PN for mine....


Post# 136513 , Reply# 72   5/14/2011 at 07:56 (4,725 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
I understand what you are asking but I am not sure about the hose coupling. I am sure Ken could answer your question. Of course the color would not match but it might work fine if the connection at the cleaner is the same.
I do know the old Rainbow tools will fit the end of the new wands.
I looked at the model with the Blue decals at the dealer. It was quieter than the first E's I have seen but this machine has a different tone and noise level.
I would be my guess a customer would have to buy the power nozzle,wands and hose as the new direct connections changed the fittings.
This is a little like when Electrolux changed their wands after so many years or Kirby and Hoover changed their tool fittings after years of them being the same.
Did you get the guaranteed TRADE_IN with your machine? I got my paperwork out for my old SE and it clearly states a $600.00 trade value for 20 years. This worked when I traded my first Rainbow in on my second machine.


Post# 136520 , Reply# 73   5/14/2011 at 09:27 (4,724 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Not sure. I know the local distributor here in Lexington is now called Thoroughbred Wholesale. Prior to that when I bought mine, it was called something else. It has been there for years in the same location. The guy that owns it now sold it in 1986 and just recently came back to that location after the lady retired. I'll have to look at my paperwork. But, 600 dollars is too little to trade in for me. I'm happy with what I have pretty much, I just wish I had a new PN and an electric hose that is compatible with water........As far as power goes, I guess they didn't add any power to these new ones, unless that's something you forgot to mention...From looking at the back of the machine the hepa looks to be identical to yours from what I can tell. I know the ONE speed hepa's were different.

I'm thinking on this machine they didn't make any changes to the motor/power itself other than reducing sound probably with insulation. I don't know.


Post# 136530 , Reply# 74   5/14/2011 at 11:31 (4,724 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Wonder with the economy?

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Rainbow Distributors,

 

I noticed on Rexair's website, that they no longer let you put your zip code in to find a distributor in your area. They ask you to call instead. Wonder if they have lost a lot of distributors due to the economy?????

 

 

Will Rexair just let you buy from any distributor or does it have to be the closest one to you????????????

 

 

 

Bud Mattingly


Post# 136536 , Reply# 75   5/14/2011 at 12:08 (4,724 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
I am with you. I would not want to trade an almost new system in either. I had owned my SE for 18 years and it still works and looks like new after some hard use.
Same with my Kiry. Once you have a Kirby ,I didn't want to invest in another Kirby as mine works great.

Bud,
I am not sure how the Rainbow distributors work but I bought this one from Ken in Texas. I had purchased my previous Rainbows from the same distributor and I did have to have the origianl paperwork to get the trade-in.
It has been my experience that the Rainbow is not discounted to the level of Kirby's and Tri-Stars. I had a Kirby salesman come to may house and try to sell me a self-propelled new Kirby. When I told himn I was not interested in the new self propelled machine, he kept discounting the price. I still did not buy as I did not need a new machine.


Post# 136549 , Reply# 76   5/14/2011 at 15:31 (4,724 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Rob

Over time, take your hepa out and check it on both sides. It will stay white for a LONG time. You will notice that when it's OUT you can get a decent look inside the machine. Also, not sure if you know this or not, but you can put a couple of drops (no more than that) of jetdry liquid rinse aid or any liquid dishwasher rinse aid in the water. It works like the AquaWet Rexair sells. I put some rinse aid in an eye dropper bottle so I can put (drops) in instead of a squirt (which is too much, it will foam). It will help if you happen to accidentally vacuum anything non-wettable.


Post# 136550 , Reply# 77   5/14/2011 at 15:36 (4,724 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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This looks like a really great machine with some huge improvements and it has really sparked my intrest in Rainbow. It sounds like its a wonderful vac and not having any exhaust oder is fabulous, although thats why I have a central vac and like most here the last thing i need is another vacuum. I'm curious to know what the MSRP is for this new machine?

Post# 136553 , Reply# 78   5/14/2011 at 16:24 (4,724 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Does Rainbow even have a MSRP? I think it's somewhat negotiable, but not by much. I'm thinking anywhere from 1600 to 2000 dollars.......if you get the extras, it's even more. I'm sure there have been some that have gotten lucky and ended up getting everything cheaper.

Post# 136575 , Reply# 79   5/14/2011 at 17:41 (4,724 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
Thanks for the tip. I never had any problems with my old Rainbow. Of course I would not pick up most of the non wetable things with ANY of my vacuums.
I know the Rainbow is expensive but when I plugged in the handy inflation calculator look at what some older vacuums cost in todays money:

(1) my folks old Air-Way 66 in 1951 was $92.50 but in today's money that
would be $828.45
or (2) Electrolux 1205 and power nozzle was $219.95 in 1968 and in today's money it would be $1420.12
or (3) my folks next Air-Way was $249.95 in 1965 which today would be
$1731.22
so I guess it is all relative when you figure inflation


Post# 136629 , Reply# 80   5/15/2011 at 04:54 (4,724 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes. I use the inflation calculator a lot

I don't purposely vacuum anything non-wettable.........But I put a couple of drops in just in case.


Post# 136631 , Reply# 81   5/15/2011 at 06:00 (4,724 days old) by trav-styles ()        

It's a beautiful machine! A far cry from the D4/SE version one that I had, with the long rectangular P/N. This looks like something I'd actually enjoy using. I wonder if I could get over all of the cleaning, though...empty and clean the pan, clean the machine, dry it, clean the separator...it was like being in a relationship.

Post# 136632 , Reply# 82   5/15/2011 at 07:03 (4,724 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
Do you have the Rainbow storage rack? It makes the storage so much easier.
The new desgin of the water pan (not like the SE) empties so much easier and the fact that the machine clicks on the dolly without the water basin is better too.
My old SE had all the separate hoses,wands to store. It was a hassle.

Travis:
If you store the water pan where you can fill and empty it it makes it so much easier. I have to admit I NEVER washed my saparator in my old SE very often and my machine was very clean after 18 years. I just dumped the water and rinsed the basin. It never got washed and dryed each time.
I think my secret was to not clean too long with one filling. I would fill once and clean the first floor and dump it before I cleaned the upstairs. I also never picked up non wettable things with my Rainbow like fireplace ash or flour but then I never used any good vacuum to pick up those types of materials.
I do ALWAYS wash the separator if I am doing a real dirty job like the garage floor.


Post# 136634 , Reply# 83   5/15/2011 at 07:11 (4,724 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
The inflation calulator is a fun tool. When I think something costs a lot in todays world and then I go back and look at what my dad was making in 1951 and what it cost for new appliances it sure puts it into a different perspective.
My folks were newly married and mom did not work. He made $300.00 when they stastd out and the Air-Way was $92.50 and I found the paperwork when they bought their first automatic Bendix washer for $149.00. That was 1/2 of his month's paycheck at the time.


Post# 136642 , Reply# 84   5/15/2011 at 08:54 (4,723 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes........

Rob I do......The E series basins are much easier to deal with as are the separators. Sorry this picture is so small. My camera battery died before I could adjust anything. I'm charging it now.


Post# 136643 , Reply# 85   5/15/2011 at 08:59 (4,723 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Forgot to mention

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Rob.

You notice those two little clips on the end of the hose that snap into the main unit........I do not like the fact that those are plastic.......Why? Because I had put the hose over my shoulder to take it with me to the next room, and as the hose was sort of swaying that part of the hose slightly hit the wall and it broke. I couldn't use the hose.......Rainbow gave me another one and took the broken one. I even emailed Rexair letting them know I thought that part should be metal or stronger plastic.......Not that it did any good.


Post# 136662 , Reply# 86   5/15/2011 at 12:06 (4,723 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
Is this what you are talking about? It feels like a combination of plastic and sort of hard rubber.
Since I never used an E series, does the hose switch have the 3 positions?
(1) brush on
(2) brush off
(3) brush runs when switch held
It works nice when cleaning throw rugs.
My old SE was doing a good job of removing the embedded dirt or I would have been able to take my Kirby or Hoover Windtunnel get some dirt but this new power nozzle really makes the carpet nap look so much better. It leaves no streaks or missed paths. I had NO IDEA that a RAINBOW would have this much air flow and suction on the carpet.
Do you ever use the air cleaning feature? I am tired of buying the expensvie hepa filters for my air cleaner every year.
Here is something else I noticed this year:
Since I have been using the Rainbow ONLY my hepa filter on the air cleaner lasted about 4 months longer. Tells me I have less dust in the air.


Post# 136666 , Reply# 87   5/15/2011 at 12:15 (4,723 days old) by Trebor ()        
cleaning the separator...

Years ago I acquired two additional separators, and always switch it out when I am finished cleaning. It does in the dish pan or top rack of the dishwasher, "One dirty, one clean, and one on the machine" When I was a Rainbow dealer I included two extra separators with every sale, and tried to get Rexair to make that standard. Would have cut motor warranty issues drastically. Penny wiser and pound foolish...

Trebor


Post# 136684 , Reply# 88   5/15/2011 at 17:25 (4,723 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Rob.....Those two little grey clips on each side of the hose.....Yes like hard plastic or whatever broke when it hit a wall...........It wasn't like I smashed it against a wall purposely. Imagine throwing the hose over your shoulder and the hose sort of swinging and it sort of hit the wall the perfect way I suppose and it chipped off a piece of the clip, enough so that it wouldn't snap into the unit........To me that's kind of a critical area since the hose it bound to bump into things every now and then............

About the E series (prior to yours)......No. It has a trigger on the hose. You hold the trigger to power the PN and let off the trigger when you want the PN to turn off, yet the Main unit will still be running.

I never use an air cleaner anymore quite honestly.........I'm not in an area of the country that is very dry ......Not sure where you are....

I'm amazed looking at your caddy. There's barely anything on it.......That's awesome!

With my Rainbow I have the electric hose, the standard non-electric hose, and another non-electric hose that's actually 14 feet long, and I LOVE it because it's the only way I can get up to reach high areas.......I used to have to get someone to hold a vacuum while I was up on a ladder so I could clean ceiling fans and up above kitchen cabinets.......With that 14 foot hose.......I'm good to go on my own.

That looks almost identical to my electric hose end though. I'm wondering if that hose would fit into my Rainbow. I'm actually thinking it might. When and if my camera batter charges, I'll take a pic............I have no idea why but my digital camera battery always takes like twelve hours to charge.


Post# 136699 , Reply# 89   5/15/2011 at 20:57 (4,723 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
Thanks for the tip about the hose. I live just north of Indianapolis so we are about 3 hours away. We do have a very good Rainbow distributor in Indianapolis.
They do show a 14 foot electric hose as an option in the instruction book.
Ken is mailing my new Rainbowmate that just came in last week. It was included with mt purchase package and I went ahead and ordered a spare basin.
Thanks again for sharing all the information.


Post# 136732 , Reply# 90   5/16/2011 at 07:53 (4,723 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Here's the end of the electric hose

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wonder if this is the same? It looks like it

Post# 136733 , Reply# 91   5/16/2011 at 07:55 (4,723 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Side view

Post# 136734 , Reply# 92   5/16/2011 at 09:07 (4,722 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatikon Rainbow just arrived

Mark,
I got my electric hose out and as far as I can tell it looks the same. The only difference I could see was the color of the 2 side release buttons as everything that is "action related" is now color matched on the machine.
I could be wrong but I think a customner could buy the power nozzle but you would need to buy a new hose,electric wands and power nozzle.
I think al the otehr tools would fit except the floor brush if yours has the curved bottom wand like my SE used.
I think to be sure you might want to give Ken a call. He knows his Rainbows and is very customer friendly.


Post# 136737 , Reply# 93   5/16/2011 at 13:31 (4,722 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
A most wonderful machine, but...

Hey this Rainbow is the most beautiful one I have ever encountered.
Neat features, very innovative.

But one single thing remains that might make me have second thoughts about buying one myself:
Apparently this one is an eSeries model, so does it have this new brushless motor?
I remember having seen a youtube video with one of them, the sound was horrendously nerve-wrecking when ramping up. Even when on full speed, this strange grunting hum wouldn't go away completely.
A friend of mine has a Black&Decker wannabe-cyclonic plastic bomber, same thing: A blood-curdling scratchy humm, hair raising as hell! (It is kind of bearable when on full speed, yet not nice at all).

Rainbows with brush-type motors sound so much nicer and smoother.

This new electronic motor sound is a real nerve test for me: A mixture of a cranky subway dispatching and eating concrete gravel with aluminium foil bits, topped with toilet bowl cleaner dressing (with your third teeth, that is). It freaks me! Want to run, run and run away or nuke that terrible B+D vac.
Have you ever touched the bottom of a running industrial sized ultrasonic bath at an optician's?
Now imagine THIS inside your skull.

Please tell me that the new SuperRainbow sounds NICE! Please!

Thank you.
Joe



Post# 136739 , Reply# 94   5/16/2011 at 14:29 (4,722 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
NO

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The two speed brushless motor is NOT loud........

I just heard back from Rexair about whether or not the hose would fit the e series prior to this latest model:


Dear Mark:



You can outfit your e series with the latest Power Nozzle.

And you can do this through purchasing a new hose and the Power Nozzle to convert your system to the updates that the new PZ has to offer.


It won't "match"..........but I may do this in the future, no sure. I still hate that I will be missing the coolest part....The LED light



Your local distributor will b e happy to help you make this adjustment.

Please forward your complete address for a local listing.



Post# 136740 , Reply# 95   5/16/2011 at 14:35 (4,722 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New generation Rainbow has arrived

Joe,
I can't stand a loud screeming vacuum either. I had heard the early E models and that is why I kept my SE series so long. The new E2 series (with blue trim)and this machine are very quiet. I does make a unique start up sound but that is only maybe a second.
To me it sounds much like an old Electrolux or Air-Way. Almost a pleasing tone.
This model is 11% quieter than the last according to the dealer and Rainbow info and the power nozzle is very quiet compared to most modern cleaners
No where near the loudness of my Hoover Anniversary Windtunel,Dyson DC7 upright or the early Oreck uprights.


Post# 136743 , Reply# 96   5/16/2011 at 16:06 (4,722 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived today

The new Rainbmate came today. It looks about the same BUT it has direct connect and you can use one or both electric wands if you need extra reach and it has a positive botton lock. All features that were lacking on my previous SE Rainbowmate.

Post# 136744 , Reply# 97   5/16/2011 at 16:21 (4,722 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Here it is with the direct connect wand attached.
Thanks again to Ken for such FAST service.
It is kind of nice to see MADE IN THE USA on all the parts!


Post# 136748 , Reply# 98   5/16/2011 at 17:55 (4,722 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
say hi to Ken anyway

this looks all promising and sleek and "wanting to touch and use it".
Ken seems to be a person to take promises for a "must-be-done" (versprochen ist versprochen as we say in German = a promise IS a promise) - no matter if made in the USA or here or in France or anywhere. THIS is the kind of service we all want worldwide, don't we? Maybe some day there will be a label "made on Earth - human made". Wouldn't that make us proud? (provided the quick-rich-scheme money makers are gone, those guys that let us customers stay standing in the rain once there are problems inflicted by crap products not made with love)

Thanks for the friendly replies on the motor sound, but I will still reconsider and wait for first postings on video channels.

Btw: THIS model of a Rainbow doesn't seem to be available here on German Rainbow pages / only on the international ones (which means 120 volts for me ;-//. They still feature D and E models. What am I missing? And why can't I find my local dealer? There is some post code entry field but no real search engine. I cannot imagine that there would not be a dealer round my town, almost a million people here, neighbor cities and rural spots included, harbor, industry, full fledged public transport combining 5 cities and dozens of communities, high speed train connection, dual freeway nodes and a small airport. Why can't I look up Rainbow in the phone book? What makes them so secret-keeping?

Cheers
Joe



Post# 136765 , Reply# 99   5/16/2011 at 21:51 (4,722 days old) by RainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

wow I love the new rainbow. I wish can afford one.

Post# 136795 , Reply# 100   5/17/2011 at 14:43 (4,721 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
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I'm sure you'll end up getting on in the future. You won't be able to stand it :)

Post# 136805 , Reply# 101   5/17/2011 at 17:16 (4,721 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        

Rob,


Do you plan on purchasing the 14 foot electric hose? I'd be curious to know if a hose this long reduces the suction enough to effect the cleaning ability, or if this machine is still strong enough with the longer hose. I love the idea of being able to leave a machine stationery and having enough hose length to clean everything within reach.


Post# 136811 , Reply# 102   5/17/2011 at 18:14 (4,721 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Luxlife.......I agree. I've wondered the same thing........I have the 14 foot non-electric hose on my 2 speed that I use ALL the time to get high places and the suction is great at the end even at 14 feet....Maybe a little bit of loss but not very much....So much easier to pop the hose on and just go around and dust everything high and low without having to move the actual unit.....I think it would be worth it.

Post# 136856 , Reply# 103   5/17/2011 at 23:17 (4,721 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

Mark

Yeah i probably get one in future and start saving some money. lol


Post# 136909 , Reply# 104   5/18/2011 at 13:36 (4,720 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

John,
I don't think I will be ordering the 14 ft hose. I never have been one to like the long hoses. That is just a personal preference. I will order a second regular electric hose later along with a second basin to leave upstirs. That way all I will have to move will be the motor unit and power nozzle to transport.
The new standard hose is longer and seems to be just about the correct length.
It did notice when a had a Miele demonstation that the hose seemed very short and the power cord seemed short. Maybe it was just the because it was in the vac store and not in a home situatrion or it might have been just the machine they were showing me at the store.


Post# 136919 , Reply# 105   5/18/2011 at 14:44 (4,720 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey William

Do you have vaulted ceilings in your house? I do and I have to have the long hose.....Otherwise someone has to hold the vacuum while I'm on a ladder.


Post# 136924 , Reply# 106   5/18/2011 at 15:40 (4,720 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
oh...I have to have the long hose....

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Oh Mark the double entendre that come to mind with what you just said;o)

Sorry in a devilish mood:o)

James:o)


Post# 136927 , Reply# 107   5/18/2011 at 16:14 (4,720 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
I don't have any vaulted ceilings but I can sure see where that would come in handy.
I can tell you that new design of the dolly is such an improvement over the one for my SE. Also having just the ONE set of wands and ONE hose sure simplifies the use. I never thought I would see a Rainbow with such strong suction and air flow that I have to use the suction relief so much of the time.
I also love the size of the power nozzle and it is so easy to steer around the chairs,table legs and the active side brushes snatch all the hair and litter. No more using the crevice tool along the edges.


Post# 136966 , Reply# 108   5/18/2011 at 21:09 (4,720 days old) by clintscleaning ()        
I LOVE IT

WISH I HAD ONE OF THE NEW ONES I BOUGHT TWO LAST YEARS

Post# 136975 , Reply# 109   5/18/2011 at 22:09 (4,720 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Clint,
A Rainbow is a Rainbow is a Rainbow. If you already have a Rainbow you are used to not having leaking dust,no bags to buy,no bins to empty an no expensive filters to replace all the time. The best part for me is there is no dust to fly or smell every time you turn it on. Every timne you start with a perfectly clean machine that does not lose the suction and air flow.
Every other make of vacuum I have owned sooner or later starts smelling and you have ot mess with the dry dust. The new machine is just much more user friendly and of course much more powerful with the new power nozzle. It seems like Rexair was listening to the customer and retained the good parts and refined the rest. You still have the same "wet dust can't fly" since 1936.


Post# 136997 , Reply# 110   5/19/2011 at 02:44 (4,720 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

You still have to fill and empty the Rainbow water bin in between uses.don't mind it.I do like this newer Rainbow over my olderE2-its so much quieter and the better PN,and roller base.The motor is the same though-the machine is just quieter-they must have put sound insulation around the motor.I think its easier to fill and empty the Rainbow bin than the bin on a dry bagless vac-their bins are ALWAYS dusty!

Post# 137006 , Reply# 111   5/19/2011 at 07:40 (4,720 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I wonder why they have not added an automatic cord rewind?  Seems it would be easy enough to put one on in replacement of the current cord holder.

 

Gary


Post# 137010 , Reply# 112   5/19/2011 at 07:57 (4,720 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Gary,
What is was told was the cordwinder had several downsides:
(1) more weight
(2) have to use a shorter power cord
(3) tend to be an abused customer feature (of course we vac collectors would not have any problems)
(4) changes the balance of the machine when lifting (good example would be when they added a cord winder to the lightweight Electrolux L machine or the Filter Queen with an added cord winder)
(5) more expensive repair to replace the power cord
who knows we might see one down the road.


Post# 137019 , Reply# 113   5/19/2011 at 11:06 (4,719 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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What is the length of the cord now?  If balance was a problem they could add the rewinder to the top of the machine.

 

Gary


Post# 137023 , Reply# 114   5/19/2011 at 12:30 (4,719 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Gary,
The cord is now 24 ft long. I don't think I would want any more weight added to the motor unit but to each their own. I use the machine every day with a shedding cocker spaniel so I like the way they changed the cord hanger and I am able to just loop the cord and drop it on the hanger. I seldom even wind it around the holder. You can see on the earlier picture they changed the cord storage set up.
I have had manay vacs with too short a power cord and even a couple where the cord was always in the way because it was too long.
I plug this one in the breakfast room and I can clean the living room,dining room,family room,kitchen,front and back hall and laundry room without have to change the plug. I guess it would depend on your own application and how often you use the machine.


Post# 137024 , Reply# 115   5/19/2011 at 13:28 (4,719 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
NO CORD WINDER? ROFLMAO!!!! lame excuses!

I am shocked to see that the Rainbow does not have a rectractable cord AT ALL! (Have never seen one live, that is why I feel so jaw-dropping).
Almost ANY canister has one, the last ones not having one were gone in the early seventies here....

Quote and reply:

(1) more weight = bullocks, you have the weight of the cord already now. Just a plastic wheel and spring are added.

(2) have to use a shorter power cord = not when the wheel is large enough (add some 100 g more plastic, but that is it)

(3) tend to be an abused customer feature (of course we vac collectors would not have any problems) = write a note in the manual: no guarantee when used the wrong way, done. (misuse issue off the table).

(4) changes the balance of the machine when lifting = typical example of not thinking engineering things to their very end (or am I just too German not to accept this?): There would be no unbalance if the winder wheel is concentrically on top of the motor (which would add to a larger diameter as well (it does NOT have to be in back of the machine). Besides a larger wheel can take up longer cords which is wanted (see above).

(5) more expensive repair to replace the power cord = lamest excuse EVER: most rectractor units come in one piece and are just clicked into vac housings. Some others have mechanisms to re-tighten the spring. Others again have a block connector in order to just change the cable itself leaving the winder unit intact.

Plain "cattle droppings" if you ask me. Now THIS is really a joke.
How "retro" can we really go, dear Rainbow Corp.?
(I really do wonder whether they read this....--> and what my prize would be ;-)))



Post# 137026 , Reply# 116   5/19/2011 at 13:44 (4,719 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Oh Well I will be buying one

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A a former Vacuum shop owner the # 1 most repaired item was a cord rewinder tied with broken belts . I was a Miele warranty station and a lot of Miele cord winders broke so just as a personal choice I don`t like a cord winder . I own a Robo clean that has a cord winder and the cord is very short and if I want to use it I have to pull out an extension cord . I am glad to hear that Rainbow changed the way you wrap the cord and it looks like it will make a great difference. I also like that you can just roll it up and set it on the hook until next use. Thank you Rob for refering Ken he is such a nice guy . I will be getting the rainbow in July just in time for my Birthday . I can`t wait to get my new Rainbow. With that said that is why there is a Vacuum for every house !

Post# 137028 , Reply# 117   5/19/2011 at 14:28 (4,719 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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As nice of a feature a cord winder is to have, I have found that so many of them are too short. The only canister that I own that actually has a long cord making it a breeze to use is my Electrolux Renaissance. Very few other canister vacuums on the market have a 28ft cord, all ever other Lux tanks, including all the new models have a much shorter cord. Even the 2 Miele's that I used to have had short cords. I guess maybe its because they are European machines and homes in Europe are not as large as American homes, but at $1200+ for a TOL Miele canister, a longer power cord would be a wonderful advantage. As for the new Aerus models, its probably just a cost cutting measure to use a shorter cord.

This new Rainbow really looks like a wonderful machine, and this thread has made me want to purchase one. I cant remember the last time someone started a thread about a new machine and within less than two weeks it had over 116+ comments. Its so nice to see a new American made machine that has improved on its weak points, yet still maintained its initial quailty and performance.


Post# 137029 , Reply# 118   5/19/2011 at 14:39 (4,719 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Rainbow vacuums are always going to take a little extra work to put away.....A cord winder would be nice, but it takes like 15 seconds to wrap the cord up. Not a big deal to me at all.

Post# 137030 , Reply# 119   5/19/2011 at 14:43 (4,719 days old) by Trebor ()        
The last reall good corwinder...

was on the Electrolux models, pre 1205. Lux used to make their own cord winders. Spring loaded, tough. The newer winders use a mylar ribbon and a plastic wheel that reminds me of a reel for movie film. I saw them on the newer Luxes. I'd rather have a longer cord than a cord winder.

Post# 137032 , Reply# 120   5/19/2011 at 14:46 (4,719 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Steven,
I am with you on this one. To each their own. I just started the thread so everyone could see what improvments and changes had been done on an old American vacuum cleaner that's been in business since 1936. I always enjoyed the threads about the new Dyson's that Jack would take the time to post. I learned a new appreciation for the Dyson from Jack.
I sure hope someone has a thread when the new Kirby come out.
The Rainbow is not for everyone but someone must have liked them or they would not still be in business after 75 years. I do think this is a very effort on their part to be customer focused as I see many,many worthwile updates from my 18 year Rainbow which still works perfectly fine.
I also ALWAYS liked the cord winder on my Electrolux Epic 8000. It worked smooth and the cord is long too. The machine is like the Rainbow a little on the heavy side for some users. I always thought it was a beautiful design.
The cord on my Electrolux 2100 is too short and the cord winder has a tendency to not want to hold.
I particularly like the cord set up on the new Rainbow but it may not be good for all users.


Post# 137040 , Reply# 121   5/19/2011 at 16:40 (4,719 days old) by FilterQueenMan (Park City UT)        
Joe from Germany

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Sir, your comments and language innuendos are way off base and down right rude.  While you are certainly entitled to voice your opinion and views, they can be expressed without using language that can be objectionable to the younger readers and some senior for that matter.  

 

Please be a gentleman and express your points without the objectionable remarks that are completely inappropriate in my opinion and other as well.  Honestly by your own admission "Have never seen one live, that is why I feel so jaw-dropping" how can you formulate an opinion and moreover make an assessment on something you have no real knowledge in. If you have never seen or operated a Rainbow you certainly can not formulate an assessment regarding the machines' physics now can you? 

 

Rob - Great Machine you found something that works very well for you and I am happy that you could make this purchase and also share so much information.  Perhaps, you need to consider being a dealer, sounds like a few purchases are heading Ken's way. 


Post# 137043 , Reply# 122   5/19/2011 at 17:03 (4,719 days old) by Floor-A-Matic (somewhere)        
2011 Power Nozzle, AquaMate, RainJet

How can I use the new style PN on my SE? Will it work or do I have to buy the new 2011 Rainbow?

Post# 137051 , Reply# 123   5/19/2011 at 17:33 (4,719 days old) by Floor-A-Matic (somewhere)        
Cogged, V, or Flat belt?

What type of belt does the new 2011 Rainbow use?

Post# 137052 , Reply# 124   5/19/2011 at 17:36 (4,719 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Floor-A-Matic

I highly doubt it. I'm not 100 percent...But I think anything pre E series would not be compatible.....Unless there is some kind of hose adapter I'm not aware of.

All this Rainbow talk.....I got mine out last night and cleaned floor to ceiling for 5 hours. I was exhausted when I finished....While using it I'm listening to it and remembering the comments of how sound of the machine was too loud and either I'm crazy or mine just isn't that loud

The more I think about it.....I don't think I'm going to upgrade anything....At least for the time being....as much as I would like to.......My Rainbow actually still has that new smell from when I took it out of the box........It's crazy. It still has that new Rainbow smell.......How that's possible....I dunno.


Post# 137053 , Reply# 125   5/19/2011 at 17:40 (4,719 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation rainbow has arrived

Doug,
Thanks for your comments. We as vacuum collectors like them all and everyone has their personel favorites. I just thought this new Rainbow had enought major changes to take some pictures.

Eric,
I have a Rainbow SE too. Ken would be the guy to ask but I don't think it would work as my SE has pigtail plug-ins. I think (not sure) the E series can be updated by buying the new electric hose,wands and power nozzle.
You have a good machine in the SE. Mine could always pull grit and sand other machines that had a lot more suction and stiff brushes left behind.
Just check out ebay and see what used Rainbows are bringing. I was very surprised.


Post# 137066 , Reply# 126   5/19/2011 at 20:02 (4,719 days old) by RainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

I agree with u Mark
I am keeping mine but i may upgrade the powernozzle with hose and get rainjet.


Post# 137077 , Reply# 127   5/19/2011 at 22:23 (4,719 days old) by RainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

AT williamr1248
Can you post a picture of Separator? I wondering if they changed the design. by the way my name is Joel, I'm new in here.


Post# 137085 , Reply# 128   5/20/2011 at 01:39 (4,719 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't want the cordwinder on the Rainbow either-the manual wind cord is fine.for cordwinder vacuums-the longest cord has got to be on my Sebo D4 Premium.Its 40'.Ithink the new Rainbow PN has a flat belt.The maunal tells you how to replace it-and like Oreck a spare belt is inside the PN cover.The separator on my new Rainbow is the same as the one on my other E2-somehow these are self cleaning-a brush is underneath the powerdome just in case.So far the separator on both of my E2's is fine.

Post# 137091 , Reply# 129   5/20/2011 at 04:40 (4,719 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Joel..........

Yea. Make sure if you do upgrade that you also upgrade the floor brush. It's not the same. It snap locks in whereas the one I have has the bump on the end up the curved wand. From that picture above, that floor brush is totally different from my E2...........Also take note of the new Aquamate 3 in the picture above........Since you already have the Aquamate 3 for your e2 2 speed........Since this new aquamate is direct connect.........I don't even know if your current aquamate 3 will work with the new hose.......You could always keep your old hose I guess......

The E2 separators are self-cleaning?????????? Really? It seems I read that once but I can't remember the source. I still clean mine on occasion.


Post# 137095 , Reply# 130   5/20/2011 at 05:35 (4,719 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I read that too about the separator-in E and E2 models you didn't have to clean it after each use.My older E2-been used several times-the separator is still clean.Nothing caught in it.In older Rainbows-peices of hair,carpet fibers,etc could get caught in the separator.The new one in the E type units seems to not have that problem.The book with my new E2B just says " remove and clean the separator frequently"The few uses I have on the machine its separator looks still like new.Suppose pet owners and folks with long hair may have to clean theirs more often.It might have been the operators manual for one of my older "E"s that had that statement.In older Rainbows I bought used-or from trade in piles-ran their separators thru the dishwasher.-top shelf in the washer.

Post# 137112 , Reply# 131   5/20/2011 at 15:01 (4,718 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
liking and not liking are two diffrent things / being down t

Doug, I had expected some answer such as yours.
Rob, no harm done to you, just keep them coming those pictures. As I stated above: All looks quite intriguing and interesting to me. While I could put up with some cord clips (notwithstanding that this is a major drawback), I couldn't ever put up with that screaming sound of a reluctance-motor.


Doug, it was more than clear to me that "swear words" are not welcome here. That is why I took a second breath thinking how I could "minimize" the tragedy of what I was about to say to a minimum and I was thinking a regular biological term might me more than appropriate ("cattle droppings" instead of the so much feared BS word).

Yet it remains a fact that what I have seen and what some regular thinking led me to (and others) will still hold true:
A concentrically mounted cable winder would NOT interfere with the construction of a Rainbow, let alone its balance, just look at those old Hoover Celebreties, this is the way it could be done).

Come on, it doesn't need a rocket scientist to understand that there is a dolly, a water basin (second layer), a fan motor with a separator (third layer) and a dome (outer housing with a motor on top of the blower) to make up for a Rainbow. (Talking about physics not having seen one) = talking about physics: who was I really "insulting"? You? All of our physicists? The Rainbow fans? Nope. Just the fact that I am still shocked of how Rainbow tries to get away with such excuses of why not having installed a cable winder (still lame to me).
So talking about physics (of language, that is) = no intention to insult anyone, let alone our posters, the only one I was referring to was the Rainbow Corp., still clinging to my first post: Rainbow excuses are plain B...S.... to me. (Guess the wording, I've done my share of avoiding this wording.)


Fact is: I am more than shocked, they didn't cover this topic in their remake of the E2 (It's 2011, right?)
True is: Some affictionadoes can go along with this, I can too (gritting my teeth, if I have to)
But I can certainly go with the design and the new features, but NOT with a grinding motor noise.
Can you get my point without transferring all my "shockedness" to yourself or to our readers?
I DO mean the Rainbow Corp., not anyone here.



Post# 137121 , Reply# 132   5/20/2011 at 19:44 (4,718 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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The Grinding motor noise?



Post# 137123 , Reply# 133   5/20/2011 at 20:27 (4,718 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Not sure what "grinding noise" you are talking about. Mine sounds great. It has a very pleasing sound and it's running as I write this in the air cleaning mode.
Fewer parts to wear and no carbon dust. This one has the advanced Hurricane brush less motor.

Mark,
Thanks for sending me the info on the window squeegee attachment. That will work great just to snap on the upohlstery tool when needed. I can wash my sliding door when I use the Rainbow in the breakfast room. Love that wet pick up feature.
I used it on my car seats today. It was shameful what it sucked out of the seats and the car smelled so fresh afterwards as I added a little Rainbow deodorizer to the water.
You should see what it pulls into the water bath when in the clean air mode overnight. I got the spare basin just to use for the air cleaning mode.
The led lights in the basin look cool at night too.


Post# 137124 , Reply# 134   5/20/2011 at 20:33 (4,718 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
What model has a

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grinding motor noise ? I have yet to find one in all the Rainbow vacuums I own . I have a D2 series D4 series , D4se , E series one speed and the Two Speed E2 Rainbow and all a very quiet . Maybe Wirlpolf`s Rainbow`s have bad bearings which would be caused by storing it wet and not taking the time to clean and dry it after use.

Post# 137128 , Reply# 135   5/20/2011 at 21:33 (4,718 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, this has been a wonderful learning thread!!  Thanks so much for starting it.  I must say that it has really increased my interest and desire to have a new Rainbow.  I was talking with a friend about this and we both have the same question.  Since there is only one hose and one set of wands now how can you go from wet cleaning to dry without dust and dirt sticking to the inside of the hose and wands?  I'm sure it isn't a problem but would love to hear more about this.  

 

Window Squeegee attachment???  Please tell us more about that too!!!!

 

Thanks in advance 

 

Terry


Post# 137132 , Reply# 136   5/20/2011 at 22:59 (4,718 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
Yes, grinding motor noise

hello all,

yes, a grinding motor noise (and NO, it is not caused by not having the separator cleaned). Started by this thread I took the effort to get hold of a Rainbow, a D-series model that is. It does NOT have this sound.
It sounds just like any regular vacuum (it has a normal 800 W carbon brush motor). And it cleans like any regular tank-type vacuum. Thanks Diana for letting me use it for a bit ;-) Nice thing! Carbon brush motor type, how nice.

Yet I've seen some on youtube (E series) that were declared to be reluctance motor ones. THERE! The nerve-wrecking sound when ramping up. This strange grumbling howl, this shrill yet grinding noise,a strange magnetic hum going upwards, kind of a dentist's drill dubbed with some transformer hum, I cannot really explain. Yet when on full speed it is (almost) ok, but somewhat strange roaring remains to be heard.

It must have to do with the new electronic motors, the reluctance type. I have found the same sound on Vorwerk VK 140, on their latest kitchen blender TM 31, on the Black & Decker "el cheapo" wannabe cyclone vac D2000 and on the later E2 series Rainbow vac.
It drives me nuts, I cannot even figure out why it does. Each time the info says "reluctance" motor. Goodness, if I could just get the same units featuring a regular brush-type motor...
I fear that more and more vacs are going to be reluctance motor type, so that will be it for me with collecting vacs, this strange and very disturbing sound drives me nuts.

Why can't something of the new direct-drive washer motors be adopted, just some coils and just some solid-state electronics to control the speed? (Ok, I can hear the tough ones again: "this is just the same" - no it is not, the reluctance motors (apart from having a lower electrical efficiancy compared to standard motors) they have this strange growl to them, the frequency controlled washer motors just don't).

Anyway: A good vac sounds low-hummed, air-rushing and strong to me, but not loud or shrill or strange.


Post# 137135 , Reply# 137   5/20/2011 at 23:13 (4,718 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Maybe it has something to do with

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you being in Germany and the Rainbow running on 220 volts , here in the USA we have 120 volts and our Rainbow`s dont make the grinding noise that drives you nuts . You also just might be ultra sensitive to certain noises that don`t bother the average person . Well if you do decide to stop collecting vacuums good luck on your next adventure . Let us know if you get your hearing checked to see if you really are super sensitive to certain noises .

Post# 137136 , Reply# 138   5/20/2011 at 23:21 (4,718 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Squeegee

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No problem Rob

This was the sqeegee I found on Goodvac.com........ it just slides onto the upholstery tool...........It's cheap too.........I'm not sure if it's meant for doing windows......But I don't see why it wouldn't work on windows. I might get one for mine. I'm not sure if it's a genuine Rexair part or not



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Post# 137155 , Reply# 139   5/21/2011 at 02:29 (4,718 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Terry,
I had the same question! I can go from using the Rainbowjet to regular cleaning using the same hose and wands. When I remove the Rainbowjet, I let the machine run a few seconds before I start dry cleaning. When I used the Aquamate, I picked up a cup of hot water with the machine to "clean" the hose but in just a few seconds the wands were clean and dry. Because the wands are stainless and have a very smooth interior they seem to self clean.
They MUST have changed something in this new design of wet/dry hose and wands because on my OLD Rainbow SE you had to let hose dry. Of course the stainless wands would not rust like the old chrome tubes.
Using the ONE set of wands and ONE hose makes using the Rainbow so much easier. The ONE set of electric wands are used to power the (1) power nozzle (2) Aqamate (3) Rainbowjet (4) Rainbowmate. It was particularly handy when I was cleaning the car as I could use just ONE wand with the Rainbowmate.
The window squeegee just snapes on the upholstery nozzle and you can use it to clean your windows. Because thr Rainbow is DESIGNED to use water you can be dry cleaning and just snap the squeeggee on and do a window and go back to regular cleaning without stopping.
The Rainbowjet would be a fantastic tool if a person lived where they had a lot of hard surface floors to do and also has some rugs and carpets. You don't have to have 2 different machines and you don't have to stop and get another machine out of the closet and you don't have ANY set up time. Just change the bottom wand to the Rainbowjet wand (which has the solution tank attached). The floor cleaning solution is very concentrated so you do not use very much water to scrub and clean. It is not foaming and is NOT used with hot water.
I think the price of the Rainbow is quite reasonable considering (1) you are getting the vacuum (2)hard surface floor cleaner(3)motorized steam carpet cleaner and you NEVER have to locate,ship or buy bags again plus they stand behind the motor and controller for 8 years and the entire unit for 4 years.
The new hose seems to be JUST the right length. Any longer and you would be tripping on it and just that added length seems to keep the machine from banging into you as you work.
What I am enjoying is never having any odor or stale dusty smell. There is somthing nice about when you finish the machine is clean and the dirt is gone and not stored in the closet. The water basin on this machine is much imporved over the one on my old SE.


Post# 137160 , Reply# 140   5/21/2011 at 04:56 (4,718 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Reluctance motor-it took the digital age to make them work.Their concept has been around for a long time-and they are more efficient than Universal and induction motors.they are finding their way into power tools-Shopsmiths new headstock assembly on their Mk7 machines-and the new headstock is available for older Mk5 and older units-it replaces a 1hp induction motor with variable pulley belt drive with a 1.75 Hp RM-on 120V and 2hp on 240V.The variable pulley system is gone-now a fixed speed pulley system.In hearing this system work on their website-its very quiet-no more noise than the old induction motor drive.And can give up to twice the power on the same or even less current draw.Would like to see a live demo of this unit-Lowes sometimes is a Shopsmith dealer.And the range of speeds is greater.The RM in my new Rainbow E2 is quieter than the older model-think they insulated the motor compartment in the powerdome.I can agree-the older machine did have an annoying sound.I think Reluctance motors are around to stay.Dyson uses one in their rechargeable hand vacuum.

Post# 137164 , Reply# 141   5/21/2011 at 05:56 (4,718 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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When you say "OLDER" Rainbow.........Are you speaking of the E series Two speed or One speed? My E series 2 speed (gold, not blue) is NOT loud whatsoever. I'm sure the latest one is even quieter.


Post# 137166 , Reply# 142   5/21/2011 at 06:06 (4,718 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Rex,
Thanks for the information about the type of motor. I can say that I heard one of the "blue" E2's at the dealers within the last year and I thought it was a little on the loud side. When this one arrived and I turned it on I THOUGHT I had it on the low speed setting but it was on HIGH. I would say this is on the level of the new Hoover Constellation. To me, it has a very pleasing sound for a sweeper. The information I have is 11% quieter than the previous machine.
I bought one of the older style Oreck xl's several years ago and I liked the machine but it was so loud and had such an unpleasant pitch that I sold it. I later bought an Oreck Platinum and it is very quiet and I like the machine.
Vac collectors will relate to the fact that some vacuums just have a pleasing tone like the older Electrolux's and Air-Way's. Most of what you hear is the rushing air. Another example would be the older Hoovers. They had a gentle sound compared with today's plastic uprights.


Post# 137168 , Reply# 143   5/21/2011 at 06:25 (4,718 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am talking of the E2 2 speed-beleive it was the first model to have the RM motor.Brown body color.For the Hoovers-I prefer the metal body Convertibles-they were quiet and effective.Seems like plastic body machines always have a loud obnoxous sound.I like the sounds of the AirWays and older Metal 'Luxes.don't like the new 'Luxes at all-tried one and it was like a B52 bomber in your living room revving up for takeoff.for the new Rqainbow-besides the blowing air-you can hear the water bubbling in the bin.the newer 'Lux I tried and breifly owned was the Guardian with the external exhaust filter on the top.

Post# 137169 , Reply# 144   5/21/2011 at 08:18 (4,717 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainvbow has arrived

Rex,
I too was somewhat disapointed when I saw the new ELectrolux Guardian Ultra.
It was lighter weight but they gave up the controls on the hose handle,gave it a shorter cord. It is better looking in person than in the pictures. It does have more suction but it was so loud at the dealership compared to my Epic 8000.
It was like they were going backwards. I like quiet. My Electrolux Oxygen3 is very quiet and user friendly.
That is why I was so excited about the new Rainbow. Almost every aspect of the machine and tools were changes that were actual improvements for the customer. It seems like we have had so many vac companies just cranking out new colors and cheaper quality every year making the machines more disposable.


Post# 137173 , Reply# 145   5/21/2011 at 08:32 (4,717 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, Thank you so much for the explanation about the hose and wands and going from wet cleaning to dry.  That does seem to make sense.  That squeegee attachment sounds fantastic and I think would be a big selling point.  I have three sets of sliding glass doors and that would sure be a help.   So when are you going to start working for Rainbow??  I don't think you would have any problem selling them.  Smile

 

Terry


Post# 137178 , Reply# 146   5/21/2011 at 09:10 (4,717 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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This is a video demo of the Rainbow. It looks like it's from another country........If you go to the 8:11 mark....She does a demo of the squeegee..........But this is the squeegee for the older Rainbow........But my question is look at how soapy that table looks...........Once I put some generic Aqua Fresh in my Rainbow basin that is specially made for water filtration vacuums and it foamed up in the basin like crazy so I had to dump it..........I guess that's why I'm wondering.....I didn't think the Rainbow liked any kind of "foam" whatsoever.......I'm imagining sucking that soapy water into the Rainbow would cause it to violently vibrate..........I guess maybe it's not so bad if you start with an empty basin




and PS..........I have looked HIGH and LOW on my unit and I have never seen any sort of a brush to clean the separator.


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Post# 137179 , Reply# 147   5/21/2011 at 09:11 (4,717 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Not sure why the link didn't show up

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Post# 137180 , Reply# 148   5/21/2011 at 09:13 (4,717 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Terry,
No thanks-lol. I just like to really look over a new model when it arrives. I did the same thing when I got my Dyson dc23.
Like I said before,I had owned a Rainbow for years but it wasn't until I used it EXCLUSIVELY for several months that I realized the benefits. There is just no dust on my furniture and blinds anymore. I have several high end vacuums with the hepa bags and hep filters but they still would smell and you were always messing with dry flying dirt and dust in some form. It just made no sense to me to pick up the dust and throw it back all over my room. There is a sort of satisfaction in starting with a clean machine every time and when you clean the dirt leaves the house. This machine has so many user friendly features that it really tipped the scale in favor of the Rainbow.
I think I had to LEARN where to keep the water basin and quit washing and drying the water basin every time. Also quit the constant washing of the separator.
I think the much improved dolly,power nozzle,direct connect,electrified wands and water pan are what made the difference for me.
I do LOVE the Rainbowjet and I can clean the hard floors in no time.
Haven't you owned vacuums that were very powerful BUT for some reason you just don't use them because they are not user friendly?
Just a shame we don't live on the same street and you could come and get it for a few weeks and give it a run!


Post# 137181 , Reply# 149   5/21/2011 at 09:20 (4,717 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Next Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
There was a seller of Rainbows on EBAY that made an explanation about the brush stroage space. I guess Rainbow has the space on some runs,then they removed it for a while and now they have added it back to the machine. You may not have one on your machine but it really does not matter.

The Rainbow floor concentrate and Aquamate shampoo are not soapy or foamy. They are like the new Tide I use in my Maytag Neptune washer. They do not seem to faom up.
When I used both the Rainbowjet and the Aquamate with Rainbow products there was no foaming in the basin.


Post# 137188 , Reply# 150   5/21/2011 at 10:09 (4,717 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Well.............I got the run where they removed the brush..........Because I don't even see anywhere where there is even a space for one on mine.......Is there a way to find the manufacture date? Mine was bought June 2006

Post# 137198 , Reply# 151   5/21/2011 at 12:07 (4,717 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
new rainbow

i have a miele there is no oder not dust 100 clean. with a rainbow if you pick baby powder you will clog the filter. also if you have a cat you will smell the cat litter if you pick it up. i like the new rainbow but im much happier with my miele then i would with my old rainboww. nice new rainbow tho

Post# 137204 , Reply# 152   5/21/2011 at 13:41 (4,717 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Josh,
I just have to ask why on earth would you EVER use ANY expensive machine to pick up baby powder or cat litter?
I cannot imagine using an expensive Miele to pick up nasty cat litter or baby powder. What if it clogged the hepa paper bag and broke and all that mess got into the other fitlers or even worse, the fans.
I spent a couple of days at a frined of mine's vac shop and I WAS amazed at what people use their expensive vacuums to pick up. I remember so well a very nice,well dressed lady brought her almost new Electrolux Upright in for repair. She has used it to pick a LOT of wet cereal and milk and then wondered why it smelled and would not pick up. That's crazy stuff from customers.


Post# 137206 , Reply# 153   5/21/2011 at 14:48 (4,717 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
new rainbow

the miele doesnt use paper bags

Post# 137217 , Reply# 154   5/21/2011 at 16:04 (4,717 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Josh,
Not sure what you are talking about. I have never seen a bagless Miele. The only ones I have seen on the web site uses disposible bags with pores and you can be sure it would stop up any machine if you picked up big pile of baby powder or nasty cat litter. I sure would not try it if I owned an expensive Miele machine.
I tried to clean a VERY SMALL amount of fireplase ash one time with a bagged upright and it broke the multi layer hepa bag within the first 10 seconds. I turned it off as soon as I heard the motor start to wind up but the damage had already been. It pulled the ash past the bag,pre motor filter and after filter. Shame on me for doing such a stupid trick! It was a real mess.


Post# 137256 , Reply# 155   5/22/2011 at 01:01 (4,717 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Baby Powder or cat litter or fireplace ash or drywall dust is not good for any vacuum cleaner...............Isn't that the only reason Rainbow tested bad in Consumer Reports, because they used the prior E series to try try to pick some of these type of things up?

Post# 137284 , Reply# 156   5/22/2011 at 14:27 (4,716 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
rainbow

well i think rainbow is just a joke i wont own one ever again . i never thought you owned a miele .

Post# 137285 , Reply# 157   5/22/2011 at 14:40 (4,716 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
miele bags / Consumer Reports eval of Rainbow

I think Josh is referring to the cloth like material of which Miele bags are constructed - it is not paper. As far as I know Miele has never made a bagless vacuum.

Rainbow has tested poorly in Consumer Reports for several reasons. The power nozzle has been the biggest weakness in my opinion. Consider the recent redesign of the power nozzle. If air flow has really improved by 60% - with essentially the same canister unit, then the old power nozzle design must have really choked off the air flow. I'm still not fond of the huge gap in the middle where the belt is. I think competition from the Hyla with it's Wessel Werk power nozzle has put pressure on Rainbow to improve.

CR has dogged Rainbow for being expensive, mediocre carpet cleaning, not cleaning bare floors well with the power nozzle, and being a very heavy canister when filled with water. Perhaps due to the old power nozzle, it has been a mediocre performer in cleaning rugs. Air filtration and reliability have been very good.

It's possible that CR has a difficult time quantifying the amount of dirt picked up by the Rainbow due to the unique water "bag". CR is certainly capable of making mistakes. Between the dirt being dissolved in water and the humidity increase from the evaporating water, it's possible that CR's results could be off.


Post# 137293 , Reply# 158   5/22/2011 at 15:43 (4,716 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I have a Rainbow E2

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2 Speed Gold Edition which I use daily. I also have a New Miele twist upright with the new cloth 3M Filtrete style bag and a hepa w/charcoal filter. I have a Jack Russell that is very clean and she never smells. When I use my Miele with a bag it always smells of dog . I never get that with my E series. I also own a Miele Aluminium and a Blue Moon all always smell and my home is spotless as I vacuum daily. When I use my Rainbow E there is never any dirt left in the carpet after I am done . I have a friend at Aerus who sells me machines and my Kirby friend. When they come over to demo new machines for me they are amazed that they can never pull any dirt . Usually they might get a few specks of dust but they are always asking me what do I use and I always tell them my Rainbow E series 95% of the time . The other times I use an Aerus Guardian upright and canister ,my Kirby Sentria,my Miele Twist and an Oreck Platnium Pilot which uses the cloth type charcoal activated bags which never have any odors comming out of them.I really think Consumer Reports should test vacuums in real homes with real dirt and not the wood pulp talc sand mixture they use. Who has wood pulp and talc in their carpets ? Because my current Rainbow cleans so well is the reason I will be purchasing this new model Rainbow .Miele has never sold a bagless model in the US .

Post# 137299 , Reply# 159   5/22/2011 at 16:42 (4,716 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yea..........About the smell..........I buy the cloth like bags for my Kenmore can........and they work well..........But before it's time for the bag to need changing there is that smell............it's just not very pleasant at all...Even if I add lemon/or fab soft sheet or vacuum scents it's like a combination of dirty bag smell and lemons or fabric softener...........It's not bad at all at first.........At times I've changed the bag before it even needs to be changed.....I guess it's bacteria growth......The only think I'm really doing is normal vacuuming......I do have two cats......It really is difficult to get away from that vacuum bag smell unless you change them A LOT no matter how clean your house is...I don't change mine a lot because my house is vacuumed so often that I think I've gotten almost all the dirt up and it takes a while for the bag to get even reasonably full to justify changing it........I think the confusion with the poster above that said his machine didn't use paper bag........He didn't mean it was bagless, I think he meant "not paper but cloth".....But Rob thought when he said it didn't use paper that he thought it must be bagless

Post# 137303 , Reply# 160   5/22/2011 at 17:33 (4,716 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

kirbyloverdan,

With all of the vacuums you're using, it's not surprising that the door to door salepeople can't get much out of your rugs. I regularly use a Royal Powercast, and the Rainbow salesperson was amazed that he couldn't get dirt out of my rugs. He asked if we really lived in that room. the fact that you're vacuuming thoroughly almost every day is why they cannot get dirt out. I think the Rainbow is a good vacuum, but it doesn't perform magic.


Post# 137304 , Reply# 161   5/22/2011 at 17:51 (4,716 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation Rainbow arrived

Rainbow vs GMC Sierra

I cleaned the truck today and noticed a few changes in the new Rainbow that were helpful when cleaning the truck:

(1) longer electric hose is easier to use. The machine can sit on the floor and you can still reach the other side of the truch without having to lift the machine into the truck.(GMC sits high off the ground)
(2) They have changed the design of the crevice tool bottom and added deep channels for the botttom of the Rainbowmate which helps the air flow and keeps the brush from slowing down like the air driven tools.
(3) I like the fact that I can use the Rainbowmate on either or both electric wands for extra reach without moving the machine.
(4) The longer power cord helped as I didn't need an extension cord
(5) the water basin is so much easier to empty compared to my SE. Even with a load of dirt and gravel,it empties with one dump
(6) suction relief right by your thumb to reduce suction if needed
(7) ONE set of wands that allow you to change from staight suction tools to the electrified Rainbowmate and back again.


Post# 137308 , Reply# 162   5/22/2011 at 18:51 (4,716 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
It is magic

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when I rarely have to dust and it never smells when I clean . Plus the Rainbow magician told me it was magic .

Post# 137337 , Reply# 163   5/22/2011 at 23:03 (4,716 days old) by Ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
rainbow magic

The only Rainbow magic I've seen, is the trickery in the sales pitch to sell a $1200 vacuum for over $2600. I suppose I'm a little bitter because of being promised a 1-1.5 hour salespitch, and having to nearly push the guy out the door after 2.5 hours. I don't know why they have to lie so much in the sales pitch, and I don't see why it should take more than 30 minutes to demonstrate the machine.

It was kind of sad. The salesman delivered a rainmate at the start of the demo. A few days later the alternate "everyone wins a prize" Walmart gift card arrived. The salesman actually asked for one of the prizes back. I really felt sorry for the guy to be forced to take back a gift.

I'm glad to see that they made some improvements to the power nozzle. I don't mind the lack of a cord winder, but I did mind having to hold a trigger to keep the power nozzle on. If the air flow is truly 60% better with this new model (at the nozzle), it's pretty clear that the old design was pretty poor.


Post# 137366 , Reply# 164   5/23/2011 at 05:28 (4,716 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Jeff,
First let me say I can understand you being bitter about your demonstration. I would not have been happy either. I guess we do things different in the midwest. Growing up, the Electrolux man was like an old friend who came around once a year. I have heard horror stories about Kirby demo's too,but my experience with the Kirby and Rainbow dealers has been very positive. We have the same guy who sold me my Kirby in 1988 still selling Kirby's today. Sorry for your terrible experience.
I did want to make sure you understand that the machine has a 3-way switch on the handle. You have the choice of having the brush turned on,off or you can use the tripper grip to have it on. This is very handy when doing small rugs and you can stop the brush when you come to the end of the rug without catching the end in the brush roll.
The machine itself pulls over 90 so it has PLENTY of power. It was the redesign of the power nozzle that increased the air flow at the carpet and believe me you can tell it when you use the machine for the first time. The Rainbow (along with my Dysons) are the only vacs I have ever used that really do what they claim and done't lose suction. This also has the switched reluctance motor with no motor brushes,no commutator and no windings. It runs very cool.
The new power nozzle makes the carpet look better than the old style on my SE yet it does not seem to damage the carpet as many of the newer machines on the market.
I already knew that the old Rainbow SE was doing a pretty good job or I would have been able to get more dirt it was leaving behind with a good Kirby or Hoover, but the new power nozzle gives you a better finished look to the carpet nap and is so much handier to use.
Again,sorry you had such a bitter experience with a vacuum salesman.


Post# 137367 , Reply# 165   5/23/2011 at 05:29 (4,716 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Is there an easy way to check the suction strength/airflow of a vacuum?

Post# 137369 , Reply# 166   5/23/2011 at 05:43 (4,716 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Gerneration Rainbow has arrived

Jeff,
If you are a vacuuum collector you will understand that the air-flow and nozzle design does a lot of the cleaning. Try running an old Hoover off the edge of the rug and you see the tremendous air flow that moved the dirt. Also look at the desgin of the floor tools even with the first Rexairs. They were all about air flow not just suction. This is the part that is interesting about the older machines to me.
The vacuum companies had to change with the coming of man made carpets and rugs,but you can see the influence of unique design even in the early Rexairs and they too had no loss of suction.


Post# 137373 , Reply# 167   5/23/2011 at 06:24 (4,716 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Have you ever had a machine that had tremendous suction but for some reason you never liked to use it? The machines I hate to use are several uprights that have wonderful suction but the hoses collaspe and machine tips over every time you try and put the suction tools to work or they come with attached tools but no floor brush for the hardwoods and you are supposed to just use the upright with the brush turned off. There is no way that works around all the furniture and close to the walls and table and chair legs.
For me a very good example of suction /air flow would be the dusting tools on my Kirby. That was the first upright I had ever owned (before I started collecting) and I thought the tools would be terrible. Although not the strongest suction,mine seemed to have very good air flow and I used the Kirby dusting tools for almost 20 years. I got so good at changing the front and adding the hose!
Now I have gone back to the tank/canister type because this house has multiple types of floors and rugs and I don't like messing with more than one vacuum(at least not for real cleaning).


Post# 137395 , Reply# 168   5/23/2011 at 11:37 (4,715 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Rob

Did Rainbow change the design of the bottles that hold air freshener....Floor cleaner.....Carpet shampoo? The reason I ask.....Those bottles look totally different.


Post# 137396 , Reply# 169   5/23/2011 at 12:14 (4,715 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Good morning Mark, Yes they did update the look. I think they may be more concentrated too, as it takes very little of the floor cleaner or the Aquamate solution.
I had the old style Aquamate that you had to hook up to the kitchen sink. I never used it so I cannot say what size the old container was from years ago.

The new cartons are very nice with a slick finish and they tell you what is inside of each box. When they are shipped out they are all double boxed to protect the inner box and the equipment.

It is so nice to buy something and not see where they have cut every possible corner on the product.


Post# 137414 , Reply# 170   5/23/2011 at 15:18 (4,715 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

A new model when I just bought, a E2 12 this month! And was almost scammed on it! I should have known better than to buy my Rainbow off my salesman! I asked him if any new models or anything were coming out anytime soon, of course he said no! He also sold me a used Rainbow as a new one! ugh!

Post# 137424 , Reply# 171   5/23/2011 at 16:09 (4,715 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Aaron......Are you a drive by poster? If you get this response........I have a question.......A Rainbow salesman came by your house and sold you a USED Rainbow??? I would call your distributor.....

Oh and I agree .......Can you imagine people who JUST purchased Rainbow's only for Rainbow to come out with a cool updated model just after...........I bought mine five years ago and I'm still envious.......I can imagine what someone who just bought one must feel like............Especially if it is USED.


Anyway........Still happy with mine...I just want this new toy

And ROB........Your right......They don't cut corners from what I can see.......Except on those little clips on the hose coupling. Those should be metal


Post# 137426 , Reply# 172   5/23/2011 at 16:22 (4,715 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

Hey no, I am not a drive byer. lol. I just found this site last night, and was looking around.

About the salesman, here is the great part, the guy who did it, IS the RGD or something like that, He is the owner/distributor in my area!

He came by and demoed the machine, we loved it, bought it. he left... All was fine and well, until I got down and was going to empty the water from the machine, and I noticed a bunch of little tiny scratches, and scuffs, that you had to look really hard to see, and I got concerned. then I started looking for a manufacture date. I googled how to find that, and was shocked to see 208 as the date! I called the distributor and he assured me that the unit was brand new, and must have been shoved back in the warehouse.

Of course I did not believe him, so I called Rexair after finding their number online, left a message and a lady called me back, I told her my concern, she asked for the serial number, I gave it to her and guess what! The unit was originally old in January of 2009. I was PO'd. I called the salesman back and told him to come get his POS used machine * now I was mad, I actually LOVE my Rainbow!*

He offered to bring me a brand new unit, but of course by this point, I feel like I had just been scammed by this guy, and didnt want anything else to do with him. I asked him to come pick up the machine that night, that I did not want anything from him. He came back to my house *he had about a 3 hour drive* and came and acted all sappy and gave me this as the reason "the guy who does my refurbs put this in my office and he is never supposed to do that, but he did because the lock was messed up on the warehouse*, like I really was going to believe him.

Anyway, I had already located a Rainbow we were going to purchase off Ebay for a fraction of the price, and I told him that is what we were going to do, but then he gave us a new price to keep the used unit, that I suppose was pretty fair, and told me I would carry the full 4+4 warranty as the new unit, so we ended up keeping the used unit, for about half price. He also gave us a rainbowmate.

I had kind of forgiven him some, but now a new model is out/coming out I am kinda angry, I am sure he knew, and I asked him as he was doing the demo if anything new was coming and he told me no. :(


Post# 137439 , Reply# 173   5/23/2011 at 17:34 (4,715 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Ahhhhh Gotcha

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Well sorry you had to go through all that.....But at least you got a GOOD price. Thank God you noticed the scratches or none of this probably wouldn't have happened in time.......Since you didn't pay FULL price for a BRAND new one (like I did) then you might not feel so bad for TRADING one in for a brand new one.....I'm not going to pay full price for a new Rainbow twice. I still like mine a lot.

Post# 137448 , Reply# 174   5/23/2011 at 18:11 (4,715 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I found a video on the New Rainbow.. They also demo the rainjet on another video. Same user

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Post# 137451 , Reply# 175   5/23/2011 at 18:39 (4,715 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        

Thanks for finding the new videos.  This new Rainbow is mighty attractive.  I only wish I could afford one!


Post# 137476 , Reply# 176   5/23/2011 at 20:21 (4,715 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Inside...

Click on the top banner and it gives lots of info and shows the inside of the new power nozzle...

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Post# 137482 , Reply# 177   5/23/2011 at 21:40 (4,715 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

Yeah it was indeed a mess, I guess we got a good price, we paid $1,000, and he promises the warranty is the same as the new one.

Post# 137493 , Reply# 178   5/23/2011 at 23:11 (4,715 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Fabulous video! Thanks for sharing that! The guy in the video isn't bad, either. LOL.

That website also really gives quite a good description of the updates, as well.


Post# 137504 , Reply# 179   5/24/2011 at 03:46 (4,715 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Liked the film clip on the new Rainbow.for the other bagged cleaners such as Meiles,Sebos,'Luxes,the list goes on-I enjoy these,too.Still use the new Sebo with the Rainbow.I don't think CU fully understands how Rainbows work and how to use them.I think if they try the new model they may be surprized-and I don't like their idea of using the powernozzle on bare floors-DUH!!It WASN'T designed for that-use the BARE FLOOR tool that comes with the Rainbow or another other canister vacuum.Any sort of powernozzle can SCRATCH bare floors if you are not careful.The wrench-brush used to clean the Rainbow separator is under the motor-powerdome unit.Look carefully where it fits onto the water bin.Its like on a James Bond movie-the separator wrench is in a spring loaded compartment underneath-its not real easy to see.You touch the end of the tool slightly and it pops out of the compartment.when you are done with the tool-just put it back into the compartment-you will hear it click into place.

Post# 137514 , Reply# 180   5/24/2011 at 05:59 (4,715 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
The window squeegee arrived yesterday. It looks like it will be perfect. Just the right size. It snapes on the fabric tool brush.


Post# 137520 , Reply# 181   5/24/2011 at 06:56 (4,715 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, be sure and let us know how the squeegee attachment works!   


Post# 137521 , Reply# 182   5/24/2011 at 07:05 (4,715 days old) by luxg ()        

Mark, thanks so much for posting that video.  I have to agree with Fred, the guy doing it is great!!  I am sure he could sell a lot of Rainbows!!!Wink


Post# 137524 , Reply# 183   5/24/2011 at 07:38 (4,715 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Terry,
I just had to stop and try it! It works great and so fast.
Here is how I used it:

(1) start with EMPTY basin
(2) wet the window down with sponge
(3) use the squeegee attachment from top down on windowm
(4) I used one of the wands for extra reach
NOW because you have the ONE electric hose and ONE set of wands you can go from window cleaning right on to regular rug cleaning. No change over needed.
(5) I let the Rainbow pick up enough HOT water finish filling the basin and at the same time cleans the wand and hose of any dirt. Let it run for a few seconds and it dries the wand and hose itself and you are ready to use the regular suction tools.
Now if the windows were really dirty I guess you could use some of the Rainbow Floor cleaner (used with the Rainbowjet) as it will not harm the wands,hose basin and it does not foam and you could still go right into regular cleaning.



Post# 137525 , Reply# 184   5/24/2011 at 07:44 (4,715 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation Rainbow arrived

Terry,
I just thought of something that works better on this Rainbow than my old SE. Because this has a 2 speed switch. High speed for cleaning and Low for air cleaning when you need to stop in the middle of using the Rainbow,you can now just switch it to low air cleaning mode and not have to remove the Rainbow top off the basin. I was always removing the top every time I turned off my old SE. This is a much better set up.


Post# 137526 , Reply# 185   5/24/2011 at 08:00 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation Rainbow has arrived

Any other e2 owners out there with the Hurricane brushless motor?

Have you noticed the motor does not get hot and exhaust stays cool no matter how long the motor is running?
I have several of my newer hepa filtration vacuums that seem to run on the hot side after being in normal use. I thought maybe all the layers of filters were slowing the air flow through the motors.
I do remember getting call backs when I was selling the Electrolux 1205's because customers thought the motor was getting too hot on the top of the machines. That was long before any hepa filtration.


Post# 137530 , Reply# 186   5/24/2011 at 08:32 (4,714 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, thanks so much for the information.  Now with the ability to do windows it truly is a complete home cleaning system.  I guess I need to start buying lottery tickets.   I really would love to have one. Smile  You have sure started a great thread here Rob, I don't remember any thread before having as many hits as this has had.  

 

Terry


Post# 137531 , Reply# 187   5/24/2011 at 08:58 (4,714 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
Used Rainbows sold as new

I've had 2 Rainbow demos. In each case we did not buy. Each Rainbow was was taken out of the box to appear to be brand new. And each time the demoed Rainbow was boxed up to appear to be new again.

During the last demo, I used a quarter to open the bottom of the power nozzle. Inside the nozzle were some red and brown carpet fibers that came from someone else's house. I suspect that many door to door vacuums are demoed until they are sold as if new. Kind of like new cars are test driven by car buyers.


Post# 137532 , Reply# 188   5/24/2011 at 09:03 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Terry,
Just wait until they come out with the new Kirby! We will have just as much fun.
Maybe Jack will be giving an update on some new Dyson's before long.



Post# 137535 , Reply# 189   5/24/2011 at 09:18 (4,714 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Rob

Glad you got the squeegee. That was fast! I use a big squeegee to do my front room windows.......I start at the top and go down, but then I have to have a wet cloth to dry the bottom of the window and the squeegee.....I've never used a squeegee on a vacuum but I'm imagine that water is completely gone and there is no wiping of the squeegee and all......


From what I can see, that looks like an Awesome view out your window and the porch looks great too.


Post# 137536 , Reply# 190   5/24/2011 at 09:22 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation rainbow has arrived

Jeff,
Funny but true story-I bought a new "sealed box" crock pot as a wedding gift. After I had wrapped the gift I kept getting this faint odor. I upwraped the box and opened it to find not only had the crock been out of the box,the person had reurned it with the burned baked bean remains on the inside!

Another story was when I was in High School I bought my parents a new Sunbeam Coffeemaster. It looked like it was in a new box and it looked new. When mom went to use it she noticed the inside of the pot looked a little dark. It would only make ONE pot and then it would not cycle again unless it sat for a day. We returned it to a Sunmbean Service Station and found out NOT only had the pot been used but it had the date it had been serviced before from the Sunbeam Company. This was purchased at a high end department store. The store replaced the pot but I think they thought WE were the ones pulling the scam.
In the case of my Rainbow I think it was new because I was waiting for them to arrive and he emailed me that night and mailed it out the next morning.
Ken was wondferful to deal with in every respect.


Post# 137538 , Reply# 191   5/24/2011 at 09:32 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Thanks Mark

What makes it work nice is the longer standard electrified hose and the fact that you can use the wands for extra reach and you can go right into regular cleaning without any setup or change over to another hose,set of wands. Just suck up some more water to fill the basin and let the machine dry the hose and wand for a few seconds. The lighted water basin lets you see when you have enough water added. It is just like changing from using the dusting brush to the floor tool.
I bet your Rainbow optional 14 ft hose would be a big asset if you had tall windows to clean.


Post# 137543 , Reply# 192   5/24/2011 at 09:50 (4,714 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes..The 14 foot hose is great.......What I usually do is run the PN all over the house...Unsnap, put it away.....Grab the fourteen foot hose and just go around getting everything and the unit itself doesn't get moves around as often. And you don't have to worry about unplugging/replugging in a different outlet because the hose is so long that the machine doesn't need to be moved far enough


Speaking of getting a used Rainbow when you "think" it's new..........

I got lucky I guess. I remember unpacking mine and there is NO way that it was used. I'm pretty sure I would have spotted something. I kept all the boxes and packing material it came in and it's all in my attic. I would have NO clue how to repack them if I ever needed to.

I had to correct some errors.....My grammar :(


Aaron........That is still HIGH for a used Rainbow when you can get a refurbed 2 speed off Ebay sometimes for as little as 700 dollars. I've seen one speeds for 600 dollars. How well they are refurbished, I do not know?? I guess some of these vacuum guys on there are pretty reputable because they seem to do a LOT of selling of high end used rebuilt vacuums........I wouldn't buy a USED Rainbow if it was someone just selling "theirs"

But it will be a LONG time before these new Rainbows start showing up on Ebay as refurbished, and EVEN THEN, they will be expensive.


Post# 137551 , Reply# 193   5/24/2011 at 11:04 (4,714 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Why wouldn't the sales people just use the same vac to do the demonstration in every home?  If a customer did buy, then just give them a brand new one? 

Gary


Post# 137554 , Reply# 194   5/24/2011 at 12:06 (4,714 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
All door to door do the same, however

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The last rainbow I bought, I walked in and purchased it with the stipulation that I did not need a demo and it needed to be brand new. They delivered it to my home and I checked it all over to be sure and then I signed the paperwork stating that they had shown me the various ways to use and clean the machine. The same goes for Kirby. Fortunately, I have no complaints with the Kirby dealer or the Rainbow dealer, although I don't think my Rainbow dealer is still in business. When I get a new Rainbow I will likely buy from the gentleman that Rob mentioned in his post.

 

 

 

Bud Mattingly


Post# 137560 , Reply# 195   5/24/2011 at 12:51 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

I tried to capture the strong vibration of the heavy carpet. You can feel the strong air flow when you put your hand in front of the nozzle and you can feel it in your tennis shoe when you are standing next to the running nozzle.

Post# 137580 , Reply# 196   5/24/2011 at 17:58 (4,714 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

You think that is too high still? The one I was looking at online was like $1,100.00, but it had the serial number scraped off, and had no warranty. So I thought with the new warranty he gave with this one, and he did send the rainbow mate and we got two rainmates out of it, I thought it was a fair price. Now the $1,000 was tax included as well, and I got 5% off of that with the discover card. I guess I will not complain too much if the vacuum continues to operate as well was it has been :)

Post# 137586 , Reply# 197   5/24/2011 at 20:05 (4,714 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Aaron,
I think you got a good deal considering you could have paid $500.00 for a big box store vac that would not do near as many things and you would have to buy filters and or bags all the time you own the machine.
You also got the Rainbowmate and other extras. You will be using that machine years from now and you will always start with a clean machine and with the Rainbow the dirt leaves the house and not stored in a closet.


Post# 137587 , Reply# 198   5/24/2011 at 20:08 (4,714 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Aaron........You're right. I was completely forgetting about the warranty in my mind........Yes......That price is fine.

I was just saying I look on Ebay occasionally and I have seen two speeds that have been completely refurbished for like 800 dollars.....But it's bare bones usually. Just the unit, the PN and the wet/dry hose and typical attachments that come with it..and it's with a warranty from the sellers store....Not Rainbow.......So yeah, with the warranty that's good....

Here's a good example of one.....



CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark40511's LINK on eBay


Post# 137613 , Reply# 199   5/25/2011 at 02:35 (4,714 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

cool! yeah and I know oh too much about the rainbow's well, some of them on Ebay. I bought one on there after buying ours, with the though I could give it to my mother for Christmas. I got it, and it was in such horrible shape I had to send it back! It smelled SO bad and was beyond being cleaned, and something was wrong with the seperator, it had rust and crud all on the metal above it. The seperator was totally clogged, no way it could have ever been cleaned. It was the gold colored 2 speed, and I had got it for 333$ with the power nozzle, but it ended up being a dud :(

Post# 137628 , Reply# 200   5/25/2011 at 09:31 (4,713 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
200

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I just wanted to be the 200th posting : )
I can`t wait until July when I will be getting my new Rainbow .
Dan


Post# 137630 , Reply# 201   5/25/2011 at 10:17 (4,713 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
and i

am posting #201 Great info and video of the new rainbow i want one now..I think i may want to sell the new rainbow now...it looks like fun!

Post# 137636 , Reply# 202   5/25/2011 at 12:23 (4,713 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Yea. I know

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Hey Rob!

Can you think of anything on this model that needs improving? I'm thinking they pretty much thought of everything, other than those connection clips on the hose coupling being metal instead of whatever plastic material that is. I noticed they do sell the hose coupling only on goodvac.


Post# 137639 , Reply# 203   5/25/2011 at 13:43 (4,713 days old) by luxg ()        

And now 203 reply's that amazing but did you see that this thread has had 3262 viewings???  That has to be a record for a posting here.  You really started a great thread Rob!


Post# 137643 , Reply# 204   5/25/2011 at 14:53 (4,713 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
I used my machine today and did blinds and furniture. No complaints from me. I do wish they had not removed the "Rainbow" emblem on the attachments but that is a minor preference. It makes me proud to see "Made in the USA" on the machine and parts.
It is so much easier to change from one type of cleaning to another with the new electrified hose and wands and of course the much improved carpet cleaning power nozzle and the redesigned dolly.
In being a member of the vac club for many years and seeing many new vacuums over the years, I would say this is one of the best machinces I have ever used.
I have had 2 machines that may have had more suction at the end of the hose BUT the catch to that is that is only when their bins,filters and bags were all completely new. We all know that only lasts a few minutes in actual use and both of these machines were very difficult to use with the tools.
I really like the fact that I can have one machine and change from dry cleaning to floor washing by just changing the bottom wand.


Post# 137648 , Reply# 205   5/25/2011 at 15:26 (4,713 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Terry,
I almost did not even start the Rainbow thread. I did not think there would be much interest in the Rainbow. At best I thought I might get 3-4 looks.
You can never be too old to be wrong!



Post# 137652 , Reply# 206   5/25/2011 at 16:54 (4,713 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yea.

Odd that they took the "R" off. I was looking at your pictures above and I was wondering where the "GREEN" box was. I saw in the video and there was a GREEN box. Not that it's a big deal but just wondering. I'm sure they will find something to improve over the years (hopefully they will still be in business), but they got it pretty close to perfect this time it seems...

I wonder if it's safe to put any type of cleaner if the rainbow basin as long as it doesn't foam. I've always been afraid to try it


Post# 137657 , Reply# 207   5/25/2011 at 18:23 (4,713 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

Mark,
The green box was for the Rainbowmate. I didn't get that till several days later as Ken did not have his first shipment from the Rainbow.
I talked to Ken the day they came in and he shipped my Rainbow out the next morning. It didn't get a chance to cool down from the factory to my living room carpeting and it hasn't stopped yet-lol


Post# 137757 , Reply# 208   5/27/2011 at 12:05 (4,711 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

75 years of progress and still "Wet Dust Doesn't Fly"


Post# 137758 , Reply# 209   5/27/2011 at 12:18 (4,711 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New generation Rainbow arrived

Here is a fun shot of the underside of the old "B" Rexair. Notice it is still pretty clean after all these years.

The new machune is now certified:
(1) Certified ashma & allergy friendly by aafa.org
(2) AHAM certified air cleaner
(3) The Rug and Carpet Institute Seal of Approval

Old and New have same color


Post# 137775 , Reply# 210   5/27/2011 at 17:08 (4,711 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Oh cool Rob!!!...... I didn't even know you had that. I see you haven't let you new one cool down since you bought it.

Post# 137856 , Reply# 211   5/28/2011 at 15:56 (4,710 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        
Fine dust clean-ups

Can't people use a shop vac for picking up any powder or cat litter? A TriStar is fine (not for wet pickup!) since it maintains suction even with a full bag.

Post# 137866 , Reply# 212   5/28/2011 at 17:08 (4,710 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I think shop vac makes bags specifically for picking up drywall dust and the bags get great reviews......But it looks like it's a paper type bag, not the synthetic cloth......I wonder how a paper bag could EVER be considered better than the synthetic cloth bag?.......As far as the Rainbow.....They do make the Aquawet. Even still, I don't know if I would chance picking up drywall dust even with that...It might work though. I also remember reading where someone actually put a little cooking oil with the water in the water basin for that....I can't remember where I read that or why I remember it....I mean, cooking oil?

Post# 137902 , Reply# 213   5/29/2011 at 09:21 (4,709 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Power Nozzle Question

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Hi Rob,

 

Earlier in the thread you mentioned the power nozzle lays flat to go easily under things. Does that include a bed? I actually bought the older style power nozzle to use when cleaning under the beds. The newer power nozzles tip up before you get all the way under to the other side. The way I have to arrange my bedroom does not allow me to go to the other side and vacuum that half. I have the same problem with electrolux power nozzles after the PN #5. They all tip before reaching the other side. I hate to have two power nozzles to do one job.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Bud Mattingly


Post# 137931 , Reply# 214   5/29/2011 at 12:41 (4,709 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Bud,
Not sure I can answer this question to your satisfaction. The power nozzle handle is pulled back from the upright position and then the neck turns so the wands go to the floor. The power nozzle is flat to the carpet but the hose handle and top of the wand would be about 3 inchs from being completely flat.
I am not a good judge because I many times just used the Jet rug tool or the fuller brush under the beds. The ony thing I would need to pick up is some surface dust,no embedded dirt.
I will be the first to say in in 2 weeks use this is the FIRST power nozzle I have ever used that NOT ONCE has tipped over. I appreciate that as so many will fall over against the wall or hit the furniture.
I can leave this in the upright position even with the hose attached. One thing is that the hose handle is small on the Raonbow. I have some canisters where the hose handle looks like a gas pump and is almost as heavy.
NO WAY could you do this with my old SE. It was to me too wide and was always falling over. Same problem with my Hoover Anniversary cansiter. It falls over all the time and the up positoin will not even stay if you pick it up. Both the hose handle and the power nozzle are very combersome to use. I don't think ether of my Electrolux power nozzles will stand up on their own. It seems like the Epic 8000 will SORT OF stand up if it is positionsed just right
I hope this helps.


Post# 137955 , Reply# 215   5/29/2011 at 16:55 (4,709 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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PR-21

I know what you mean. At least my E2 PN doesn't tip up at all when you get to the other end under the bed..It stays flat against the floor.......But Most of the time I too use the floor brush to get under the bed......No one walks under the bed so it's just dust, no really deep dirt.....The Kenmore PN does I have does tip up.....

Rob........The E series Rainbows do lock in the upright position and don't tip over at all.

I think LED lights can be installed on the e2 2 speed. There are holes already there that just need to be drilled out and there is even a connection plug from what I have been told...That would be cool to have


Post# 138038 , Reply# 216   5/30/2011 at 14:22 (4,708 days old) by jdw334 ()        
New Rainbow

I just bought the brand new Rainbow today. I love the new design. The power nozzle is so much better than the previous model. I just emailed my distributor because he didn't show me the rainjet and I would love it for the hard surface floors I have. Does Ken in Austin have an email if my distributor won't sell me one?

Post# 138039 , Reply# 217   5/30/2011 at 14:43 (4,708 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation rainbow just arrived

Not sure who this is going to as no name on the profile but Ken's name and number are given earlier on this thread. I am sure he can help you out at a fair price.
The Rainjet is one of the best parts of the new machine. It works great on my laminate floors and the fact you can change from one type of cleaning to the next by just changing the bottom wand. It uses very little liquid and leaves the floor dry in seconds with air flow of the new Rainbow.


Post# 138402 , Reply# 218   6/3/2011 at 13:58 (4,704 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generatiuon Rainbow just arrived

I have had the machine for over 2 weeks and have noticed several things that are interesting.
The redigned cord storage is much better. You can unwind the cord from across the room. Many of my vacuums require you to bend over to unwind the cord or mess with trying to get the cord winder to rewind. Some of my newer machines have such inferior cord storage that the cord will keep falling off the hooks.
I also like the fact that you can just loop the cord and drop in on the holder if you use the cleaner every day as I do with a shedding dog.


Post# 138403 , Reply# 219   6/3/2011 at 14:07 (4,704 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new generation Rainbow has arrived

Here is another thing that is different from many of my other power nozzle cleaners. The Rainbow will hold the hose and the power nozzle does not tip over. In general use I have not had the power nozzle fall over one time. Some of my newer power nozzle canisters will not stand alone even if the machine is not working and the hose not attached.

Post# 138406 , Reply# 220   6/3/2011 at 14:13 (4,704 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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That's the way my 2 speed is. The PN won't fall over when in upright position. The cord storage is just "OK"......This new design cord storage looks much better. I'm still as jealous as a thousand red hot Texas suns.

Post# 138407 , Reply# 221   6/3/2011 at 14:15 (4,704 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

The new design of the fuller brush has cut outs in just the right places in both the front and back to snatch grit and hair even before the brush reachs the dirt. It also seems to be a good design as far as not having to constantly hand clean the brush . I like the separate bumber that goes around the brush like the old Lux,Compact and Air-Way floor tools.
Thank goodness Rainbow has not gone to cheap generic tools as so many vacums have today.


Post# 138408 , Reply# 222   6/3/2011 at 14:27 (4,704 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Now NOT evErything is perfect in any machine and the Rainbow is not a light weight. Of course I would not like it if it were made out of cheap plastic either. I can tell you my dolly has already made one trip down the staIrs with no damage. The power nozzle is very light and pushes easy and the dolly is such an improvement over my old SE that I can EASILY overlook the weight. This is NOT an ORECK and would not be a good choice for an older person,but now I am spoiled and don't want to go back to any vac that leaks or smells.
I have bought a 2nd basin to use upstairs and I will get a second hose just to use upstairs at some future date.
Aa I said before-now we want to see the new KIRBY!


Post# 138434 , Reply# 223   6/3/2011 at 21:35 (4,704 days old) by luxg ()        

You are so right Rob, no machine is perfect and that may be a good thing.  It gives us all something to look forward to.  From all that you have said about the new Rainbow I would say that it comes pretty darn close!!  I am hoping that Ken Bashford and you will come to the convention this year.  I am sure that he is as excited about the machine as you are.  

 

Terry


Post# 138473 , Reply# 224   6/4/2011 at 11:01 (4,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New generation Rainbow arrived today

I tried the Aquamate out for the second time today. Because the Rainbow basin and the Aquamte tanks are designed to use together you don't have to worry about overfilling the basin. With the lighted basin you can see at a glance when it is time to empty. The new concentrate uses so little suds to clean(like the HE we use for front load washers).
I liked the fact that I can have the brush on or off and do any of the 3 functions of wash,rinse or dry. If you have the brush in the off position it still revolves manually so I used the Aquamate to clean some small rugs that could not tolerate a revolving brushes.


Post# 138475 , Reply# 225   6/4/2011 at 11:06 (4,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Use use the Rainbow hose to dry out the 2 tanks of the Aquamate and also any fluff on the revolving brush

Post# 138476 , Reply# 226   6/4/2011 at 11:16 (4,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

You use the step on control to determine which mode (wash,rinse,dry) and use the hand trigger on the hose handle to lock it on/off or on when gripped.
It is nice that the customer uses the same controls on the hose handle and they perform the same functions with the power nozzle,Aquamate,Rainbowmate and Rainbowjet.


Post# 138477 , Reply# 227   6/4/2011 at 11:24 (4,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

The instruction book does not say but because the power is supplied by the hose handle and wands, The Auqamate will connect to one,both or just the hose handle if you had a small job like stairs to do.

Post# 138479 , Reply# 228   6/4/2011 at 13:34 (4,703 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Thanks Rob

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So the Aquamate tank that holds rinse water and soapy water is a total of two quarts ?

Post# 138490 , Reply# 229   6/4/2011 at 14:35 (4,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arrived

Mark,
I had to go fill both the cleaner shampoo tank and the rinse tank and it exactly fills the Rainbow basin to the fill line on the side of the basin.
You do not have to worry when it will be full. When you use all your cleaner and all your rinse water ,you will need to empty the Rainbow basin. Now the fooler is that the new concentrate takes very little so it will do a pretty good sized room.
I like the fact that the cleaner is not sticky like the shampoo used in my steam cleaner or my and Kirby rug renovator,plus you are using all the power of the Rainbow to remove the moisture.
If I had been using my steam cleaner,it would have gone through 2 bigger tanks at least for the same area.
Now this would no be very handy to use if your were cleaning a hotel lobby but in normal households the capacity it great. Because the Aquamate is light weight compared to my steam cleaner I would think most women would love it.
If you have huge areas to clean and they are filthy dirty (like a commerical institution) I think you would want a Rug Doctor but just for my household use this is very easy to use and of course the power and airflow of the Rainbow removes so much more water from the carpet than my steam cleaner ever thought of doing. I hope that answers your question Mark.
This new basin is so much easier to use than my old Rainbow because they changed the pouring spout and it is marked on the side of the basin where the fill line and with the lighted basin you can easily see when it's full.


Post# 138521 , Reply# 230   6/4/2011 at 17:12 (4,703 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes.....From what I can tell, I don't think the basin has changed at all on any of the E series to this E4 (black) is it called?.....I wonder why they didn't just call it E3?.........And what's with Rainbow and the letters "D" and "E"?

Post# 139049 , Reply# 231   6/8/2011 at 20:13 (4,699 days old) by recruitu1 ()        
NEW WATER TRAP VACUUM

I just bought one of those Ritello machines from an ex rainbow dealer. It has alot of nice features like 4 speeds on the motor and a cord rewinder built in. I like also that is has a larger basin like a 4 qt that comes with it and a turbo brush that is pretty much a kirby zippbrush clone.

Post# 139056 , Reply# 232   6/8/2011 at 20:46 (4,699 days old) by recruitu1 ()        
PICS OF NEW RITELLO

Here are some pictures

Post# 139058 , Reply# 233   6/8/2011 at 20:50 (4,699 days old) by recruitu1 ()        
ritello pics

pic of inside the machine

Post# 139184 , Reply# 234   6/9/2011 at 18:53 (4,698 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
rainbow

not all the dirt gets trapped by the water and that dirt deposits in the fans.

Post# 139187 , Reply# 235   6/9/2011 at 19:56 (4,698 days old) by Trebor ()        
Dirty Rainbow fans...?

The Rainbow fans remain clean unless:
1) The water has been loaded with dirt until it is no longer liquid
2) The separator is not cleaned regularly and dirt builds up
3) Too much non-wettable dirt is picked up, whether or not a wetting agent is added

I have a D4, 25 yrs old, that is remarkably clean despite much use in cleaning other people's homes. People who have dirt Rainbows don't understand, or don't care how to use and care for them properly.


Post# 139191 , Reply# 236   6/9/2011 at 20:25 (4,698 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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Robert, I guess Josh thinks all dirt and dust never get`s through all Bagged and Bagless vacuums and their fans are always spotless and dust free ? My E2 Gold 2 Speed I have owned since 2003 is spotless inside and not a spec of dust anywhere through out my motor and Hepa Filter .Every machine with proper care will remain clean and run problem free for years .

Post# 139195 , Reply# 237   6/9/2011 at 20:41 (4,698 days old) by Trebor ()        
That is true now that the filtrete bags are available...

prior to that the cleanest were the Airway, Filter Queen, and properly maintained Rainbow. The previous two had outstanding filtration even before HEPA was thought about. Even Electrolux would get some dust in the bag chamber. Everything else accumulated dust inside, even with using the OEM bags exclusively.



Post# 139268 , Reply# 238   6/10/2011 at 04:12 (4,698 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have cleaned out a few rather nasty Filter Queens where dirt got thru the cone and flat filters-then into the motor and exhaust filter.Used a Fiter Queen service kit on those.`Owners of FQ vacuums often forget the flat filter disc under the cone guard.If this isn't replaced regularly-the motor and exhaust filters get very nasty-again this is a problem with dog owners.There is a flat filter with each pack of cones-take the hint and replace the flat filter after using a pack of cones.the motor and exhaust filters will thank you.and one of my D2 Rainbows was very NASTY inside-had to take down the motor to clean it out.Very fine brown and white dust in it.Any vacuum can get nasty inside if the prior owner doesn't take care of replacing filters.Remember many of the vacuums in our collections come from owners that are not "Vacuumphiles"as we are so they won't take as good of care of them.

Post# 139287 , Reply# 239   6/10/2011 at 11:06 (4,697 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow just arived

I have to agree with Dan and Trebor. I showed pictures of my 18 year old Rainbow and it does not any trace of dirt in the fans or exhaust. My parents Air-Way had to have a new step-on on/off switch and when I took it apart after over 44 years continuous use the motor was still clean.
I have used my Rainbow SE for very dirty jobs in the garage and screened porch BUT I ALWAYS changed the water when it got real dirty or about every 30 minutes.
I believe what the vac repair shops are telling us about the dirt in the fan but that is why they are in the repair shop-abusive use.
There must be some reason almost 50 years ago the allergy doctors told my parents to buy a Filter Queen,Air-Way or Rainbow.


Post# 139424 , Reply# 240   6/11/2011 at 13:07 (4,696 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow arrived

I have been doing my windows today. The Rainbowjet works great on BIG windows and the screens too. The squeegee blade has suction inlets on both sides so both back and forward strokes dry the surface. You have the length of both wands to make it an easy reach on big windows.
It works easy as it turns at the neck and if you miss a spot all you have to do is flip it over and use the sponge side again.
If your windows are not real dirty you can just use the squeegee that is wet.When done use the Rainbow hose end to dry the sponge out.
Easiest way I have ever found to clean the screens.


Post# 139425 , Reply# 241   6/11/2011 at 13:17 (4,696 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Now what is handy to me is when I am finished with the window, I can go right into washing the laminate floors. Because you are using ONLY the sponge and squeegee head and wands and it flips over you can get into tight places and around table and chair legs that could not be reach without moving furniture with a regular electric floor washer. The sponge can be turned and used to clean the baseborad at the same time.

Post# 139428 , Reply# 242   6/11/2011 at 13:41 (4,696 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Generation Rainbow has arrived

Now the niciest part for me is that I go can straight from doing the windows and wet cleaning the laminate floors to dry vacuuming. Not longer pails of water or more than one appliance and even with my SE Rainbow you had multiple sets of wands and hose. All I have to do is pick up enough water to the FULL LINE on the water basin and let the Rainbow run a few seconds on HIGH to dry out the hose and wands. This new water basin is all clear with a fill line marked on the side so you can easily see when you have enough water in the basin. On my old SE machine the only way to tell was if the machine was off the basin and you filled it to the top of the post in the center.



Post# 139492 , Reply# 243   6/11/2011 at 22:02 (4,696 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, I can see where the Rainbow Jet would be fantastic on large windows and mirrors.  I'm sure because of the suction that they are completely streak free.  Thanks for sharing.  


Post# 139495 , Reply# 244   6/11/2011 at 22:39 (4,696 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I bought mine this past Monday

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I absolutley love my new Rainbow E2 Onyx 2 speed 2011 model . Pictured is my 2003 E2 Gold 2 speed. The Onyx is an improvment with the new power nozzle with the LED headlights and it really deep cleans . I also got the Rainjet (not used yet) AquaMate also not used yet, The Mate and a Rainmate room air cleaner and a pack of scents from my local distributer.I love the longer hose the extra foot makes a difference. Moves easy with new dolly too . I really wish I didn`t Vacuum so much my rugs were spotless the Rainbow only picked up a tiny bit . If they were trying to sell me the Rainbow based on dirt in my carpet they would not convince me lol . I also like the new switch with the switch lock for the power nozzel . My E2 Gold that was my biggest complaint having to hold and squeeze the switch . If you can buy this Onyx I highly recommend it .
Dan


Post# 139498 , Reply# 245   6/11/2011 at 23:29 (4,696 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey thanks Dan. Same here. The most I'm able to pick up with my rainbow for the most part is lots of cat hair and fine dust from dusting......I never have the basin full of mud that I remember my grandma's Rainbow having in the 80s.....It was no time before it was thick crud.

Since you OWN both now, can I ask, is the HEPA filter on the Oynx the same as on the 2 speed? Is the separator the same?

Thanks


Post# 140234 , Reply# 246   6/19/2011 at 12:24 (4,688 days old) by Eluxca ()        
Rob and other Rainbow owners

Is the new machine so different in performance from the blue E2 12 that buying the new one is "no brainer?" I am thinking the distributor may offer a better deal on the previous model to eliminate stock.

John


Post# 140238 , Reply# 247   6/19/2011 at 13:01 (4,688 days old) by Trebor ()        
Maybe...

You could get a deal on the older machine with the new hose/PN set up?

Post# 140266 , Reply# 248   6/19/2011 at 17:33 (4,688 days old) by Eluxca ()        

That's a thought! If time allows tomorrow, I'll visit the distributor and ask. As far as I can tell the two power units are virtually the same.

Post# 140269 , Reply# 249   6/19/2011 at 18:11 (4,688 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

John,
I can't answer your question but the color will not match because the new machine is black. That new Dolly works much better too and I love the new cord stroage system and then there is the LIGHTED basin. OH MY!. I never owned an E series. Mine was an 18 year old SE. The new machine is very quiet compared to the earlier E series but Mark says his is very quiet and I think he has had his about 5 years.
NO comparison in the power nozzle. It is so nice to not have to fool with two sets of wands and hoses.


Post# 140314 , Reply# 250   6/20/2011 at 14:24 (4,687 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I'll bet it is nice not to deal with two hoses......But over the years, I've worked around that. When I get the Rainbow out, I use the PN on everything first, then put it away while the unit is still running (change water if needed) then get the 14 foot hose out and get everything else.


I do have a DUMB question for Rainbow experts. I was reading a comment on a video on YOUTUBE for Rainbow of a guy doing a short demo of his new 2011 model, and a guy commented that he had way to much water in the basin; that he would need to clean the separator more often.......And I was like, HUH? Isn't that the whole purpose of the dome in the middle? He said that's what he thought too, but his hepa was getting dirty and he took it to the distributor and they said to fill the basin about a half inch BELOW the dome with water, not to the top of the dome.....

I wouldn't have given it a second thought.......BUT I remembered seeing the OceanBlue instructional video on their site, and they specifically state to fill the basin with cool water to around 1/2 inch BELOW the dome and NOT to the top of the dome.....I wonder why OceanBlue specifically states this

I wonder if the top of the dome is just the "DO NOT GO OVER THIS LINE" warning. I wonder why the dist would tell him that when it says in the Rainbow manual to fill with water to the top of the dome?

Here's the vid I'm talking about....Go to 1:28


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Post# 140353 , Reply# 251   6/20/2011 at 19:16 (4,687 days old) by Eluxca ()        
I made a visit to the Rainbow shop today

And I'm very impressed with the new machine. Bummer though that the owner was not there. The man who was there gave me some info but it was a new machine to him. Unfortunately, all E2 blue machines are sold! There goes my big idea for a bargain. The man hinted that a bargain could be had when I'm ready to buy the machine, and I get a discount just for being a current rainbow owner
I think I'll end up getting one later this summer


Post# 140366 , Reply# 252   6/20/2011 at 19:31 (4,687 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
Don't you have a fill line on the side on your basin? My new instruction book says:

Fill the water basin until the top of the dome in the bottom of the basin is COVERED.

Now when you do this it comes exactly to the fill line marked on the side of the basin too.
Why would Rexair put instructions in their book and markings on the side of the basin that are NOT the correct amount?

I always filled my old Rainbow to the top of the post in the center and mine was as clean as the day I bought it 18 years ago. I think I would go with the instructions from Rexair.


Post# 140442 , Reply# 253   6/21/2011 at 04:58 (4,687 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I always thought if the Rainbow water bin was not filled ENOUGH-like to the top of the dome or pin in the basin-than the water trap filter would not be effective.

Post# 140455 , Reply# 254   6/21/2011 at 10:02 (4,686 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Tolivac

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I always thought so too. But what about when you're using the Rainbow to shampoo your carpets and or squeegee where you start with an empty basin and then the dirty water enters the basin and is sloshing around inside the Rainbow. That water that goes into the basin isn't necessarily going to be even close to being at the top of the dome/fill line until you have been doing it for a while, and that water is dirty too, right? Just a thought.........Then again, I guess it's different because that water entering the basin is already wet, as opposed to dry vacuuming, so I don't know

Post# 140717 , Reply# 255   6/23/2011 at 16:30 (4,684 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        
Water basin

1. When I'm using the Rainbow for dry pick-up, I ALWAYS fill the basin up to the top of post; AND change the water after doing one surface (dusting/above floor) & before doing the next (carpet/floors, which I change after each room)
2. I NEVER fill the basin with water when I'm using the AquaMate (1st generation w/CleanMore Spraymate PN) However, I do put Rug Doctor Anti-Foam in the basin when using the AquaMate.

btw, if anyone has the older style AquaMate (the one that U connect the 50ft hose to faucet) the Cleanmore Power Brush (Yes, U need to strap the cord outside the hose; do NOT use electrified hose) does fit & work great. That REALLY made a HUGE difference in deep cleaning!

Didn't Rexair ever make an AquaMate w/Power Brush before the E Series came out?


Post# 140923 , Reply# 256   6/25/2011 at 15:14 (4,682 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arrived

I wish someone had told me about this this optional tool years ago with my SE Raionbow. I love it for scrubbing the screened porch. All you have to empty is ONE basin of dirty water at the end. The Rainbow floor concentrate works wonders not only on the cement floor but the area rug on the porch at the same time.

Post# 140924 , Reply# 257   6/25/2011 at 15:30 (4,682 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

The design of the flip over brush/squeegee lets me go under,around and into the corners without having to move the heavey wrought iron furniture.
This used to be such a job with the hose and broom. It takes so little water to do the whole room. Then I finish up doing the sliding glass doors.


Post# 140930 , Reply# 258   6/25/2011 at 16:04 (4,682 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arrived

I like not having to move all the furniture around to clean the floor. I have tried machines that were designed JUST to wet clean floors and they could not get into tight spaces and under things. I think they would be great IF you had a completely empty room.
I was surprised that the Rainbow Floor concentrate worked so well with the cool water and just a very small cap of the cleaner. It is also nice that the regular Rainbow tools fit right on the end of the Rainbowjet wand so I can use the crevice tool along the baseboard edge to such up any remaining water.
I just wish a had known about the squeegee attachment years ago with my SE. Of course the Rainbowjet has it's own pump to put down the floor cleaner or water.
I have been told the Rainbow squeegee attachment has been popular in Florida for years where customers have a lot of tile floors to clean.


Post# 140931 , Reply# 259   6/25/2011 at 16:07 (4,682 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

Mark,
I PROMISE I will wash the separator after doing all this extra dirty work!!!!!


Post# 140952 , Reply# 260   6/25/2011 at 20:47 (4,682 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

heads up. there is a new generation Rainbow on ebay!http://cgi.ebay.com/2011-ILLUMINATED-RAI... not a bad deal either...

Post# 140963 , Reply# 261   6/25/2011 at 22:09 (4,682 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yea........

But if you buy it from someone off Ebay, you don't have the warranty at all. And if it's brand new on Ebay......Hmmm. That person probably won't give much of a discount anyway.

Rob, about your last two pix.......are you using the squeegee to clean that rug on your porch?


Post# 140964 , Reply# 262   6/25/2011 at 22:25 (4,682 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

Unless they are a distributor? still against Rexair's policy, but I guess if someone was a distributor they could sell on there and write you out a warranty on their tickets? who knows, I wouldn't buy it still. I did send them a message asking if serial number is intact and what type of warranty but never got a reply

Post# 140966 , Reply# 263   6/25/2011 at 22:27 (4,682 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arrived

Mark,
I used the stiff brush on the rug to scrub it and then flipped it over and used the squeegee side to draw the cleaner out of the rug. It is some type of plastic fiber rug made to be used outside. It worked great and even took some rust stains out of the rug.
Isn't that strange that Rexair allows them to sell brand new machines just out over 1 month. I think this is the same seller that had a new Rainbow listed about 2 weeks ago. I wonder what you would do if the computer controller or the motor went out in a year or if a part breaks? He sure isn't just "giving" it away.
I would never take a chance on something that expensive or the fact that it is a new model. I might take a chance on a $100.00 purchase but not something that is almost $2000.00 and something I will only buy once.


Post# 140982 , Reply# 264   6/26/2011 at 08:58 (4,681 days old) by luxg ()        

Rob, I am so glad that you are keeping us updated on your new Rainbow!!!  It seems that you are using the machine everyday and finding new uses as well.  I too wondered about the new one on Ebay.  Does anyone know what a brand new Rainbow from a dealer is selling for?  Also I wonder how the sales for the new machine are going.  


Post# 140990 , Reply# 265   6/26/2011 at 12:31 (4,681 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Shady

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Yea.....Aaron...........1899.99........You get EVERYTHING I noticed. Aquamate, Rainjet. etc, for the price of what the main machine sells for without the extras, but yet you send the seller a question and get no response. Frankly, I'm not surprised that he didn't respond to you. By the questions you asked, he probably sensed you knew a little more about Rainbow than he felt comfortable with.

He's probably looking to sell to someone with a complete lack of knowledge. If you look at the listing, there is no mention of warranty at all.

I guess someone could take a "chance" and buy it for that price to save some money....

I guess the Rainbow's are selling well. Rob was telling me that a friend of his was going to buy a "BLUE" Rainbow hopefully to get a better price, sine the new ones are out, but that they were sold out of the "Blue" ones already....They still have yet to update their website


Post# 140993 , Reply# 266   6/26/2011 at 13:02 (4,681 days old) by aarons1584 ()        

Yea, I sent the same questions again, yesterday, and now the auction is within two hours of ending, and he or she has still not replied, defiantly would not buy. Anyone wanna buy me a new one? ;)

Post# 141000 , Reply# 267   6/26/2011 at 14:24 (4,681 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arrived

That is not that wonderful of a price. I do not understand when the Rexair web site clearly states that they will NOT stand behind sales on the internet. What happens if the seller tells you he will stand behind the sale and 5 years down the road you have a serious problem? I guess I could see it,if it was 1/2 price but they are asking almost full price.
If it were ok, why would not more registered distributors be selling on Ebay as you would not have to maintain a store,service center or any overhead.
I can see after a period of time vac shops would acquire trade-ins and they could be rebuilt and resold on a as-is basis with some tyoe of warranty from the seller.


Post# 141050 , Reply# 268   6/27/2011 at 04:45 (4,681 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Any of the DTD vacuum companies prohibit sales over the internet-its only face to face sales in the home with the customers signature-and closed sales then the warrantee on the machine is activated and effective.thats any of them-Kirby,filter Queen,Rainbow,TriStar,Vortech Force,Miracle Mate.,Areus Lux.

Post# 142500 , Reply# 269   7/9/2011 at 15:22 (4,668 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arived

I have used the new Rainbow for several weeks now and I have found some nice features that really help out. The power nozzle rotating side brushes work great on the stair carpeting corners. Used to have the crevice tool for the corners. You can use either a single wnad,both wands or you can attack the hose handle directly to the power nozzle.

Post# 142502 , Reply# 270   7/9/2011 at 15:35 (4,668 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow just arrived

I really have enjoyed the new longer hose that allows me to clean the stairs from the landing.
Interesting note-this is the FIRST sweeper with a power nozzle that DOES NOT FALL OVER all the time. It will even support the hose. I always hated that with my Electrolux's and Hoover canister. My old SE RAinbow was very bad about that too.


Post# 142504 , Reply# 271   7/9/2011 at 15:44 (4,668 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

It always helps to read the instruction book! I just discovered there is place to store the fuller bush on the cord wrap. It works great for me as I move from carpeting to hardwood floors and then back to area rugs. I never liked that door on my Electrolux Epic 8000 . You had to bend down and open the door,get the tool out,replace the other tool amd then close the door carefully to NOT break the plastic door. It just begs to get broken.
For everyday use I only carry the fuller brush and leave the other tools on the Rainbow door storage rack.


Post# 142506 , Reply# 272   7/9/2011 at 15:54 (4,668 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Rainbow has arrived

Everything has it's "not so good features too". The only thing I can find about the Rainbow is that, like a Kirby,it is heavy. This would not be a good sweeper for an older person. That's where the Orecks win the race,but who can't love those lights!
The new dolly easily goes from my thick carpeting to area rugs to the hardwood floor and then back onto the braided rugs. This is where machines like my Filter Queen and my Hoover Anniversary canister and my old SE Rainbow were a nightmare to use. They caught on EVERY different level of flooring and so did a lot of my uprights like the Dyson that did not have a middle stop position.


Post# 143159 , Reply# 273   7/14/2011 at 04:01 (4,664 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

And I have been using my new Rainbow in the dark!It is so neat to see the bright headlights on the powernozzle-and the lights in the water bin.

Post# 253183 , Reply# 274   10/17/2013 at 17:54 (3,837 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Last year I saw the demo; but at that time I couldn't afford it

Now that the PN has improved even more, I will buy the new Rainbow


Post# 338303 , Reply# 275   11/30/2015 at 14:22 (3,063 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

How can I buy the new Rainbow & pay less than $2000.00?

Back in 1992 my parents bought the Rainbow SE with all extras for just $1500.00
Power Nozzle
RainbowMate
AquaMate
Deluxe Accessory Pack

from Environmental Concepts in Findlay OH. A yr later that location closed; the Ottawa OH office is still open


Post# 338317 , Reply# 276   11/30/2015 at 18:37 (3,063 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        
Keep an eye

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On eBay. Kirbylover dan was selling his recently. It was absolutely spotless and in mint condition. Wish I would have bought it. Starting bid was $999

Post# 338318 , Reply# 277   11/30/2015 at 19:37 (3,063 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

Find a dealer with good prices. I paid $1,200 for my e2 blue and $1,300 for my black 1 1/2 years ago. So 1,500 in 1992 is not good. They cost half that from the factory which is what I tell my dealer so he knows not to screw me over. We have a great relationship, probably since I'm so direct. Also deal with I distributor who gets it right from the factory as others have said and deal with the owner. A regular employee has to make money and also pay the owner so he'll want to charge more.

Post# 338319 , Reply# 278   11/30/2015 at 19:39 (3,063 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

But eBay is good also. With ebays buyer protection you can always return if it's not as described. They usually never break so a warranty is kinda useless anyways.

Post# 338389 , Reply# 279   12/1/2015 at 21:59 (3,062 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

So what is KirbyLoverDan's ebay store name? Is he liquidating his collection?

Post# 338449 , Reply# 280   12/2/2015 at 18:11 (3,061 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        

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Anyone know when the next model rainbow is coming out.

Post# 340351 , Reply# 281   12/31/2015 at 16:57 (3,032 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I just bought the new Onyx e3 & love it! Mine has the improved side belt PN & got the RainJet, AquaMate, two RainbowMates (1 for sofa & mattresses only, the 2nd one just for the car) & two RainMates

Post# 340354 , Reply# 282   12/31/2015 at 18:09 (3,032 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        

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Did you get a good deal. Also, did you buy from a distributor or from eBay

Post# 340364 , Reply# 283   12/31/2015 at 20:34 (3,032 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I got it as a Xmas gift

btw I got rid of the FloorMate & Steam Vac; the Rainbow replaced all that thanks to the AquaMate & RainJet

Less machines=more space; I even got the Rainbow storage rack & 4 qt basin

I use the 4 Quart basin for vacing & floor/carpet washing; & the 2 Qt for air cleaning

The SE & chrome domes will be restricted to spare Rainbow status



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