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Post# 124459   2/9/2011 at 18:43 (4,817 days old) by eluxca ()        

It's time for a new toy to play with. I'm looking for something different,and as I don't have a water vacuum, one of those would be fun to have. We are pleased with our daily driver and don't need to spend a wad of money on a vacuum - my goal is $100-300. Rainbows tend to go $400-600 used on ebay, so they are out. Is there any experience with Rainbow knock off's like Delphin, Pro Aqua, Hyla? What is suction, noise level, ease of use? I appreciate all input -

John


Post# 124471 , Reply# 1   2/9/2011 at 20:39 (4,817 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        
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I have used a Hyla, it was ok. I was not really very impressed with it. I think it was one of the first models, over all quality was not that good. The dolly was cracked when it arrived. The power switch went out with in a week. Ok, it was used when I got it. It struck me as being like Dirt Devil and I hate Dirt Devil.
I want a Delphin or an Ocean Blue. They look better, higher quality. I don't know about performance of either. But, they look neat.
Justin


Post# 124474 , Reply# 2   2/9/2011 at 20:46 (4,817 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I've heard Thermax vacuums are pretty good. How you looked at those?

Post# 124513 , Reply# 3   2/10/2011 at 05:24 (4,817 days old) by eluxca ()        

The Thermax is a well built machine but bulky. I would prefer a vac with a separator, like Delphin, Rainbow, etc.
The local vac shop sells refurbished D4C's and SE's and they tell me those machines are better than the E series in every way. I don't know if I believe it, though.


Post# 124522 , Reply# 4   2/10/2011 at 09:37 (4,817 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        

well, they dont have a hepa filter, the new motor, or the 2 speed switch

Post# 124583 , Reply# 5   2/11/2011 at 06:32 (4,816 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        

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I personally don't have a lot of expeariance with water filtrated vacs but I believe the one I've used is a d3 rainbow.
They work pretty good.
I don't know if this is true with all of them but one of the advantages of a rainbow and at least some others I noticed is you can clean up wet spills with them.


Post# 124585 , Reply# 6   2/11/2011 at 06:42 (4,816 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

the Thermax is made so you can fill a tank in the body with cleaning solution for carpets or furniture.The other tank on it holds the water for picking up the used solution or if you are using it as a vacuum cleaner.Like the Rainbow you paut a given amount of warter in the tank(has a fill mark on it)when you use the Thermax as a vacuum.You leave the body solution tank empty.You only use the solution tank for carpet or furniture cleaning.A wand and tool set is used with the machine for carpet or furniture cleaning-the Powernozzle wand is seaparate.

Post# 124586 , Reply# 7   2/11/2011 at 07:06 (4,816 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Last night I watched a video of the Thermax AF2 and for everday vacuuming I think it would be a pain in the a** to empty and clean the recovery tank. There are too many pieces. I have a Rainbow D and just having one pan to clean is a lot easier IMHO.

Gary


Post# 124601 , Reply# 8   2/11/2011 at 10:58 (4,816 days old) by nick (Hastings, New Zealand)        
the worst

was one of the water filtration vacs sold some years ago on HSN or other shop at home shows, i think it was a shark brand. had a foam filter, and a plate that fit under it directing dirt into the water. the foam filter came apart at the glue line the second time it was used, it ran very hot, very loud, but it did have good suction. tools were generic low end,it had a turbo rug tool and a pain to clean out as the plate, suction tube and 2 filters had to be cleaned. give me a d3 or d4 any day

Post# 124608 , Reply# 9   2/11/2011 at 13:20 (4,816 days old) by Ohio_Tuec ()        

I have a green Shark CW 240 water filtration vacuum that I've used maybe a handful of times in the last 7 years. They were all over eBay for maybe a year or two and then vanished. It actually has very good suction. I just used the turbo tool on my Electrolux Epic. IMHO, it's more of pain to clean than a bagless, which is why I hardly ever use it.

- Karl


Post# 124635 , Reply# 10   2/11/2011 at 17:36 (4,815 days old) by vacuumboy1993 ()        
Hi John!

I have an old Big Power BP08 which I'm quite satisfied whit, the suction is just awesome, and the power nozzle does a really good job. Like Karl said, I don't use it so much, just when I have the time because it's a mess cleaning the tank and all the baffles that are inside to separate the air from the water after each use, but there's a new model that uses a separator like the Rainbow so it'd be more easy to clean I think.
Mine is terribly loud and very heavy and a bit difficult to carry around because the weight of the canister. Attachments are very well built and so useful, but the plasti materials used for the machine and the dolly seems to be a bit weak.
So in my opinion there are better machines, but I relly love it, the performance is excellent and really cleans the air. I also has 6 variable speeds and the bin holds more water and dirt than other ones.
I never used the newest model, but saw it on the web and I seems quite appealing, they reduced the size and the noise of the machine and introduced a remote control, a digital motor, a UV light above the water basin to kill dust mites, and it uses a separator, so no filters and baffles there! I just hope that they used different matterials and not the cheap plastic that they used to use.
Well, here are my two cents, hope it could help you :)

Kevin.


Post# 124642 , Reply# 11   2/11/2011 at 20:08 (4,815 days old) by eluxca ()        

I spent the afternoon visiting a couple vacuum stores. The first was a real treat, the owner has been in the business 40 years and was hospitable. He showed me around his store and talked about the vintage machines that were given to him by people who hated to throw an old machine away. He also spoke highly of the Rainbow D4 and while not dismissing the E series, said it is not the same quality.

The second store provided a good lead on a vac. The woman in charge has a Rainbow that she has rarely used. Her family is moving and she wants rid of it, for $150, and she will have the service department go over it. Excellent! I'll go back next week to check it out and see what model it is.

The feedback has been helpful to me. There are many good choices out there. There is something about the Delphin that gives the impression of being a good machine. It looks like all aspects of the machine - dolly, basin and motor housing - were designed uniquely as a whole, rather than grabbing spare parts here and there and hobnobbing it together. They're nonexistent in this area.


Post# 124670 , Reply# 12   2/12/2011 at 07:44 (4,815 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy

Good Morning John,
I wanted to add a couple of points about the Rainbow:
(1) When checking the vac stores have you noticed you don't see 20 year old rebuilt Hoover's,Eurekas. That tells me something about holding value. What I was finding (if any) were Kirby's,Filter Queen and Rainbow's
(2) Also noticed when checking out some web sites like Epinion.Com that a lot of the customers were talking about Rainbows they had owned for 10-25 years and still working.
(3)I enjoy that fact that Rainbow has their own unique tools and not just the generic tools you find on so many of the new machines today
(4)For me, I had to use the Rainbow ONLY for about 3 months before I really saw the difference. Being a vac ccllector I had a tendency to use my Rainbow and then switch off and a dust blower. I did not see the BIG difference in the dust level. What I really appreciated is NO oder ever. I was so tired of nasty vac bags,clouds of dust and filters to clean. You were always either smelling dust or messing with clouds of dust when I would try and empty the bins.
(5)The newer E2 series with the sound suppessor and the Hurricane motor is so much quieter than the early E series.
(6) The newer machines with the 2 speed switch are great for use as an air cleaner.
(7) the new Hurricane motors are warranted for 8 years.
(8) check out the Aqua-mate that works with the electric hose
(8) The Rainbow door storage rack is a MUST and makes the use of a Rainbow so much easier.
(9) I don't see any advantage to the hepa filter. If you don't use the Rainbow to vacuum up things that should not be picked up by ANY good vacuum,it stays clean.
(10)I have had my Rainbow SE for 18 years and the motor is just as clean as when I bought the machine. I DO dump the water after about 30 minutes use and I do not store the motor on the water pan. I store the water pan in the bathroom for easy fill and dump and the tools on the door rack.I clean the separator about once every 2-3 months and it stays clean.

What I see as the worthwhile features of the newer E2 machines are the digital motor,2 speed switch,locking dolly,stainless steel wands with locks,quieter motor,new Aqua-mate design and new wider floor brush.

Still don't have that Miele yet-but it is on the list!
Hope this information helps.
Rob


Post# 124696 , Reply# 13   2/12/2011 at 15:50 (4,815 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

John,
I re-read your post and missed what you said about a Rainbow being out of the question. Sorry. It pays to read carefully!
I think the Delphin looks interesting. I don't think I have ever seen one or knew anyone that had the machine.
I do know Mike Hays told me he had an Ocean Blue and it was bigger and bulkier than a Rainbow.
Rob


Post# 124730 , Reply# 14   2/12/2011 at 18:44 (4,814 days old) by eluxca ()        

Rob, I always enjoy reading your take on a vacuum. I understand where you are coming from on emptying dusty bins. I grew to dislike using the Dyson because I would invariably get dust in my face cleaning it out (although it cleaned carpet very well).

I want a water vacuum as more of a novelty rather than a daily driver, but I want a good example of one. That's why I'm leaning toward a Rainbow, Delphin or Pro Aqua. Some others that use baffles instead of a separator are a chore to clean and they would end up being banished to the garage or sold asap.

I am used to sucking up stray dryer sheets, wads of paper, paper clips with the Miele. I don't think I could do the same with a Rainbow since it is emptied down the drain. Did you find that you had to change the way you vacuum, Rob? It would be cool to have the latest Rainbow with the Hurricane motor, but I don't want to pay that much. I'm looking at a SE or E-series at the latest.

I hope you get a Miele soon! I am just as pleased with the Aquarius today as I was 3 years ago when I bought it. The fleece bags work so well that there is not a speck of dust in the bag chamber. The only downside is when I vacuum our new Turkish rug - the wool fuzz fills the bag quickly and chokes off suction - but that should be over soon.


Post# 124813 , Reply# 15   2/13/2011 at 08:38 (4,814 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

This has been an interesting thread!
Yes, John I did have to change the way I was sweeping and I HAD NOT been using my Rainbow to it's full advantage in the past.
I was WAY overcleaning the machine every time. I was washing and drying the water pan EVERY time. I was removing the separator and washing it EVERY time. I hated trying to put it all together and storing the equipment. I made a FEW easy changes in how I use the machine and what a difference!
(1) Get a plastic waste basket and keep it next to where you dump the basin. I flush and dump the basin,rinse it ONCE and dump the water and put it in the plastic busket. It takes less than 30 seconds an you are done. Keep the basin where you fill and dump the water.
(2) I don't clean the separator every time. Maybe I check it once a month or after I use the machine for real dirty work like cleaning the garage floor.
(3) I got a cheap plastic strainer and keep it in the bathroom. If I do clean the garage floor I just dump the water from the basin through the stainer and then dump the strainer's debris in the trash.
(4) The Rainbow storage rack is a MUST. It keeps the hoses and wands and tools all stored. You no longer have to bend down and pick up all the parts.
(5) In my application I don't use the dolly. I sit the machine in the middle of the room. I use the electric hose and also use the electric hose with the regular wands and fuller brush for the hardwood floors. Keep it simple
These few simple changes made using the Rainbow so much faster and easier.
I agree with you about the Dyson. I loved my Dyson canister BUT no matter how hard I try, I always had flying dust. I even tried to clean it out in the garage and the next day the car was covered with a layer of dust. I would still like to get the "ball". Jack Copp was great about explaining the Dyson machines.
Once I got into the use of the Rainbow, I don't think I will ever go back to the dust blowers with the smells. There is NEVER any smell with the Rainbow. I just figure if it takes me 30 seconds to dump the water and rinse the basin I don't have to buy hepa bags,filters or go to the store to buy them or pay shipping to have them shipped on the internet. You are using a machine with full airflow every time you clean. Like most things in life, sometimnes if just take a little more effort to get better results.
I will contact you again when I get the Miele.


Post# 124814 , Reply# 16   2/13/2011 at 08:52 (4,814 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy

John,
Here is the Rainbow rack. It fits over the top of the door or it can be mounted on the wall. Keeps everything all organized and you don't have to bend down and hunt for hoses and tools.


Post# 125011 , Reply# 17   2/15/2011 at 01:45 (4,812 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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A vac shop once told me that delphin was one of the best and big power was one of the worst and everything else was in between. I still say thermax is awesome, rainbow is good too and hyla is okay but has one hell of a power nozzle.


Post# 125154 , Reply# 18   2/16/2011 at 04:18 (4,811 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Hers another machine that works on the same idea as a Rainbow-or even a Thermax.I have a DVD demo video of this machine one of the dealers in my area was going to carry it-but changed their mind.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO tolivac's LINK


Post# 125197 , Reply# 19   2/16/2011 at 18:04 (4,810 days old) by eluxca ()        

The Rotho website is one of the best I've seen, especially for a water filtration vacuum as they tend to be cryptic. I like the ease of dirty water disposal and clean up of the filters. Thanks for sharing

Post# 125309 , Reply# 20   2/17/2011 at 20:49 (4,809 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

John,
I think Tania and I were looking at that machine when she was down and we visited Cleary's. I was thinking it was around $1400.00.
I may have to go back and take a look. I don't think the machine I looked at had the power nozzle.
I do remember the filter worked more like the one on my H2o vac. I don't think it has a separator. They do have a nice web site. I am sure they gave us some material about the machine.
Rob





Post# 125318 , Reply# 21   2/17/2011 at 22:10 (4,809 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

I saw an infomercial on TV for a cheap-looking rainbow -type vacuum. They also had a stand at our annual homeshow last year. It looked really cheap. (almost as cheap as a "garry". :P) I think it was called a "hurricane" or something.

VW


Post# 126398 , Reply# 22   3/1/2011 at 22:51 (4,797 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I have a Rainbow two speed bought brand new in 2006. I've used it quite a bit the first couple of years. I still use it SOME. The entire machine and the hepa filter still look brand new. Based on some folks saying that the dust just skips over the water and that they don't filter well always confused me......If that were the case, I would think as many times as I've used it the filter would be nasty, but it still white and even smells new.

I always wondered about the other water filter vacuums. Did they copy Rainbow?

I saw a Thermax once in a thrift store. It was HUGE.


Post# 126417 , Reply# 23   3/2/2011 at 06:17 (4,797 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

Mark,
I am with you. I don't understand why I keep hearing the same thing about the Rainbow. Check out the picture of my 18 year old machine on thread 11577. I have used mine to clean and scrub the porch and basement floors and the exhaust and the bottom are still clean as the day I bought the machine. We have a family friend who bought one of the first Rainbows with the hepa filter and it has had a lot of abuse and the hepa filter is still clean.
I think the secret is to remove and rinse out the basin after use and don't pick up certain types of things like plaster dust and fireplace ash (which I would not use ANY good vacuum to pick up. I do ALWAYS dump the water and replace after about 30-40 minutes use.
I just like never having a dust blower in the house and no nasty saving filth in the closet.
A friend of mine had a vacuum store and you would not believe what condition customers would bring Rainbow and other brands in for service. You had to see it to believe it!
Rob


Post# 126426 , Reply# 24   3/2/2011 at 11:02 (4,797 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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rob, mark a lot of the dust does not get trapped in the water. thats why the have to relay one the hepa filter . just like any other vacuum

Post# 126430 , Reply# 25   3/2/2011 at 12:42 (4,797 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Josh

Obviously we don't have to rely on the hepa filter since it's still clean and new looking after 4 years. Did you skip over what we both said?

Sorry......didn't mean to hijack this thread talking about Rainbow


Post# 126431 , Reply# 26   3/2/2011 at 13:01 (4,797 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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yes i saw what said . doesn't matter if you have a hepa filter its not sealed

Post# 126440 , Reply# 27   3/2/2011 at 15:02 (4,797 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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The Rainbow exhaust comes STRAIGHT through the hepa filter hard.......If the dirt I was vacuuming was going out the back surely the hepa would have some dirt on it......NO?

Post# 126445 , Reply# 28   3/2/2011 at 15:41 (4,797 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
what is your favorite Rainbow copy?

Josh,
I was noticing just the other day that while so many of my newer cleaners have lots of gaskets, my Rexair has 2 heavy pressure clamps to attach the motor unit to the basin and mine has no trace of any dust after 18 years of use. I cannot say about any of my other vacuums. Even my canisters that claim to be sealed will have traces of dust in the bag compartment and around the exhaust.
The main reason I have enjoyed the Rainbow is when I turn it on there is no smelly odor and when I dump and rinse the basin I am not saving dirt and filth in the closet and I don't have to buy replacement bags and filters.
The Rainbow is not for everyone. It takes a little more time to get out and put away compared to an upright but I enjoy not having the dust and smell every time I vacuum. Some of my newer vacuums even have charcoal filters to try and capture the odor for the bags. An upright will not work for my situation because I have carpet,wood floors,stairs and furniture that I need to clean under and around.
I got one of my newer machines out today that is a sealed hepa system and the first thing when you turn it on is a nasty dusty odor. Everybody likes something different and has different needs for their homes so you have to go with what works for you. No one best vacuum for everyone.
.


Post# 126448 , Reply# 29   3/2/2011 at 15:52 (4,797 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

Josh,
Just wanted to add that I do not seem to have smell or dust leaking from my Filter Queen either but I do not like having to empty the bin. My parents always used an Air-Way. The Air-Way along with the Rexair were the only vacuums that were recommended when I was small by allergy doctors. I will say MOST of the time I don't notice any smell from my Dysons,unless the bin was not emptied after every use and I hated to mess with the dry flying dust when I had to empty the bin.



Post# 126452 , Reply# 30   3/2/2011 at 16:01 (4,797 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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i have used a miele and put my nose to the exhaust no dusty smell . even a kenmore no oder . kirby yes and i don't see the big deal about storing the dust in the vacuum in the closet big woop. just saying . i have asked about rainbows from local vacuum stores . they don't like rainbow because how bad the are . i like rainbow but there not the best

Post# 126459 , Reply# 31   3/2/2011 at 16:44 (4,797 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Most vacuum shops are probably getting Rainbows that were disrespected

I would venture to say that most people who have Rainbows probably don't dump the water when they should, thus, most see dirty nasty messes inside them when it's time to open them up.............I could be totally wrong here.........BUT, I've used my Rainbow A LOT (especially the first two years)........If there was dried vacuum sludge inside my machine........certainly it would have some sort of smell...I mean, think about it............Wet vacuumed dirt that's dried on the inside.....?............Bottom line, if the water is changed every 20 min's or so....I don't think the inside of the Rainbow will be covered in crud.

That all being said.........It is a PAIN the the .......to use.....It comes in handy for certain things for me though.


Post# 126463 , Reply# 32   3/2/2011 at 17:05 (4,797 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
rainbow

well i have a e series you like like to buy it for 250 just for the main unit

Post# 126538 , Reply# 33   3/3/2011 at 12:44 (4,796 days old) by kenkart ()        
While Rainbows...

Are not my favorite machine...the main problem with them is improper use, use enough water,clean the separator after each use..the newer ones you dont have to, empty them at least every 30 min,and most of all NEVER!!! vacuum ashes-soot-flour-cornstarch or anything greasy, and always set the machine off the pan after each use, most women are way too busy to do all this and that is the root of the problems,salesmen need to stress the proper care of the machine 10000 times more than they do!

Post# 126567 , Reply# 34   3/3/2011 at 17:20 (4,795 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy?

Hans,
You are right on it. I have been using my old Rainbow ONLY in the main part of the house for the last 6 months as a test. Yesterday I got my new Hoover Anniversay Upright out that uses a hepa bag. I also got my grandmother's Hoover Concept One out with a new Hoover bag. Today I noticed that the TV,end table and coffee table all had a nice fresh layer of dust on the top. When I use the Rainbow ONLY, there is just no dust on the table tops,blinds or tv. My Rainbow must be either removing more dust from the carpet or not exhausting as much as my other vacs. I have noticed that with my old Rainbow there is never any foul dusty smell and the room seems to smell fresh. The best part is not having to dust all the blinds on the windows!
Off the subject, but your chocolate cobbler was great and now it's gone!!!!We enjoyed every bite.
Rob


Post# 126577 , Reply# 35   3/3/2011 at 17:47 (4,795 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I still haven't heard anyone give me or William an explanation as far as the "wet dust can't fly" argument.........

Based on what I have read in the past........that if a Rainbow is filled with clean water and one starts vacuuming, all of the dirt doesn't make it into the water basin and skips right over it.

That's fine and all.........But if this is the case with vacuuming dirt, then my hepa filter would have to be filthy by now, as the air comes right out of the back of the machine.

I'm not talking about vacuuming ashes or flour or corn starch. I've read on forums where folks will say Rainbows don't filter well and that's why they added a hepa filter...........

If the Hepa filter (as some say) is doing all of the filtering and the water is doing absolutely nothing.....Would that leave the hepa filter covered in complete sludge?

To me, that has to be some sort of proof that the water is doing a freaking great job......A snow white hepa filter after a few years..........Am I wrong?


Post# 126585 , Reply# 36   3/3/2011 at 19:00 (4,795 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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Washable and does not get muddy or wet . My new Rainbow e2Series 2 speed with the HEPA filter does a great job cleaning and filtering and I have owned it for two years and use it a few times a month and my filter is still snow white . As far as my favorite water vacuum "improvement" not copy to the Rainbow is the Pro Aqua which doesnt have a filter and just use`s a really good seperator that really forces all dust and dirt into the water .I like it better than my e2Series because I feel it is really well made and built in Germany as I am also a German Automobile owner/lover as well .

Post# 127143 , Reply# 37   3/9/2011 at 20:58 (4,789 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
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I will stick to my SE PE Rainbow. I truly believe that wet dust cannot fly. My SE PE is like william1248's. The exhaust port has never had any dirt in it. With that said I do not pick up non wettable items with my Rainbow and I do clean the separator after each use and rinse the water pan and dry it. Those steps don't take more than 5 minutes tops. Sometimes I have had people mention how fresh my house smells. Each time this has happened I had just used my Rainbow. I also sometimes use the genuine scents, just because I like them. I would like Rexair to make a better power nozzle. I have 2 the old style and the one that came with the SE PE. I also have an E Series, which is stored in my garage, I do not like it near as well as the SE PE. Too bulky and I think the water basin is harder to clean....Just my thoughts

Maybe an interesting thread would be how far the vacuum industry has come to eliminate dust blow back over the years. I had a top of the line Eureka back in the 70's. It was a 2 speed automatic, but when you first started it up even though it used the F & G bags, there would be dust escaping the dust bag. With that said, it was one of the best vacuums made during that time. Obviously hepa type and hepa bags, along with sealed systems have made all of our homes much cleaner and less dusty. I bet that if I were able to afford a Rainbow back then, their would have been a much less dusty home....


Bud


Post# 127152 , Reply# 38   3/9/2011 at 22:27 (4,789 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I called a few vacuum shops here in Lexington asking them if they knew of any PN that would fit the E 2 speed because I don't like the E series PN. They all said NO but what's even more strange is that they all told me that I would be crazy to get another PN because the Rainbow PN is so good. I even mentioned the Wessel Werk and one guy said those are so cheap......

I wasn't going to argue. They sounded kind of busy.

Anyway

Say your using the Rainbow PN and you go from Carpet to tile and there are some crumbs on the tile, you run the Rainbow PN over it and it doesn't really get all the crumbs or takes several passes to get them...........But the suction is GREAT on the Rainbow itself and the PN isn't clogged. So you get the Kenmore can and in the same scenario and the crumbs come right up easily and you can hear the strong suction from the PN when it's on a hard non-carpeted floor, yet you can't really hear that strong suction on the Rainbow PN on a hard floor. If I put the Rainbow hose down into the Kenmore PN and put it over the hard non-carpeted surface, you can hear the strong suction coming from under the PN.......

So I'm thinking.........If this has a somewhat hard time picking up the crumbs on a hard floor, how can it be deep cleaning. Something is funky with the design. I like the looks of the PN though and it sounds like it's really digging deep into the carpet when you're using it, but the suction is being choked somewhat by the design.


Post# 127451 , Reply# 39   3/13/2011 at 13:21 (4,786 days old) by eluxca ()        
I bought a Rainbow!

I bought it for $150 from the original owner, a divorced woman who is downsizing to a small home. She said she used it only for a short time after buying it because she did not like carrying it up a down the stairs.
It had been treated OK, but I noticed dust in the exhaust hose connection and the spider had some buildup. I removed the separator and spider and cleaned them, polished the complete ensemble, and the result is a Rainbow that looks and sounds like new.
We have a large ranch style home, two kids and two cats. There is plenty dirt to be found. It took five basins of water to do the job of cleaning the whole house, but what a fantastic job it did. I believe a 4 quart basin would be better suited to our home. Does it affect airflow or suction adversely?
May the Rainbow gods forgive me for slandering their product in the past!

John


Post# 127452 , Reply# 40   3/13/2011 at 13:23 (4,786 days old) by eluxca ()        

The water basin has a date stamp of April 12, 1997.

Post# 127465 , Reply# 41   3/13/2011 at 17:40 (4,786 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Cool!!!!!! Looks great

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Glad you changed the water. A lot of people don't. I think that's the secret to good filtration.

The Rainbow you bought doesn't have a hepa filter. I've wondered before if the E2's would work without their hepa filter in. The Rainbow manual warns not to operate it without the hepa....I wonder why, since the older Rainbows don't have one and obviously nothing is escaping the water onto the hepa on mine


Post# 127469 , Reply# 42   3/13/2011 at 18:45 (4,785 days old) by eluxca ()        

Thanks Mark. The manual suggests changing the water every 30 minutes so that is what I did. It's somewhat inconvenient, but I wasn't put off by it.
Airflow is great - that really impresses me. It picked up anything on the floor, including pennies. The power nozzle seems good, but the belt is stretched and brush roll stalls. I'll buy a new one tomorrow and try it again.
I lived in Lexington on and off for 14 years. There are or used to be some good vac stores there. Southland Drive had an nice independent shop and the Kirby distributorhad been in the same location for 40 years. Hope they're still in business.



Post# 127493 , Reply# 43   3/14/2011 at 07:46 (4,785 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hmm. I couldn't find anything in the e series manual that said anything about how often to change the water. Unless I looked over it. Strange because that's so important

Yes there are a few good vac shops, but I stay away from them because if I go in I will end up buying things I don't need.

Not sure about Kirby, but I know the Rainbow service center has been here since the mid 80's I think


Post# 127510 , Reply# 44   3/14/2011 at 14:00 (4,785 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
rainbow copy

i heard the wesel work was a good power head

Post# 127526 , Reply# 45   3/14/2011 at 18:54 (4,784 days old) by eluxca ()        

I THOUGHT I read to change the water every 30 minutes in the manual but it's not in there today. Maybe I saw it online when researching the D4 SE. Maybe I am entering dementia. 20-30 minutes seems like a good time frame to shoot for.
I understand about walking in to vacuum stores and walking out with a vacuum that looks fantastic but not needed. Too much temptation for the weak willed!


Post# 127593 , Reply# 46   3/15/2011 at 19:43 (4,783 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
What is your favorite Rainbow copy

John,
Looks like you got a good buy compared to what they bring on ebay. Your machines has a later power nozzle. I bought mine in 1992-3.
I have been ruined now. I had another machine out last week and now I really notice the dusty smell when I turned the bagless machine on and no matter how careful, when I empty the bin there is dust everywhere.
I have never owned or used the 4 quart basin. I empty mine out once every 30 minutes or once for each floor of the house.
If you use the Rainbow only for several months, you will see a difference in the dust level in the house. Good Luck!


Post# 127830 , Reply# 47   3/19/2011 at 14:10 (4,780 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I've never heard of this

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Post# 127985 , Reply# 48   3/20/2011 at 19:40 (4,778 days old) by goadie12 ()        

iam just wondering how would that not wreck the vacuum when he put the whole vacuum into a container filled with liquid wouldnt it wreck the vacuum?????

Post# 128013 , Reply# 49   3/21/2011 at 03:20 (4,778 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I think the circuit board that drives the motor is in a sealed compartment.and the motor-like an induction motor the Rainbow E2 motors don't have brushes.Don't think the immersion would harm it.However for some really toxic,radioactive, or infectous wastes-often the WHOLE vacuum is discarded in a hazardous waste container.In the scene where the vacuum was dipped into the water or whatever-think it would have to be many hours before it could be used again.and the vacuums water bin would have to be discarded as above-along with the water.and still keep in mind some toxic compounds cannot be contained in water alone.You need the filters for that.the time I reapired a "Certified" HEPA vacuum cleaner-was a large unit--the contractor that owned it used it for asbestos and lead paint cleanups.One of the filters in it was a watertrap filter bin.The other filters were HEPA.And a large multilayer paper bag as the main filter-could hold several gallons of debris.when yopu took the bag from the units drum-you put the paper bag into a red plastic bag marked "toxic Waste"The filters and bag were replaced after each job when this vacuum was used -so it could maintain its Certified HEPA ranking.So for the client that the contractor worked for-he paid for the cost of the new filters for the vacuum.I repaired the motor assembly for it-had two 10A lamb vacuum motors in it-the unit plugged into a 20A 120V outlet.Had a NEMA 20A plug.and on that Rainbow toxic waste vacuum-depending on the waste-you may have to discard and replace the hose,too.


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