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Post# 117349   12/6/2010 at 22:00 (4,882 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        

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I was wondering if anyone knows what and when the Sentria will be replaced with ? I am an avid Kirby collector and want a new Kirby really bad lol.The sentria has been out longer than most Kirby`s have been in the past. They are way overdue for a replacement. I did see online the US patent office had a Kirby Avalir but the patent has been around for years . Thanks Danny

Post# 117390 , Reply# 1   12/7/2010 at 08:02 (4,881 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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That has been the burning question in the Forum for several months now. Apparently, the only secret that is more well guarded is the nuclear launch code used by the President!

Post# 117395 , Reply# 2   12/7/2010 at 08:44 (4,881 days old) by sanimatic ()        

LOL. I heard that WikiLeaks was going to release the nuclear launch code. But even they couldn't get any scoop on the new Kirby.

Post# 117414 , Reply# 3   12/7/2010 at 11:34 (4,881 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
OK Here's what I'm thinking

The new Kirby is going to be built by TTI in China. It will be all plastic, and bagless. It will have a 30 day warranty and will be sold exclusively at Big Lots.

Ok--I'm kidding, but you know the rules. If you don't give us the information we want, we have to make it up.
You hear this Kirby?


Post# 117454 , Reply# 4   12/7/2010 at 17:44 (4,881 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
No, but I guarantee one thing,

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If I bought a Sentria today, Kirby would introduce the new model by the end of the week! :-) LOL.

Post# 117472 , Reply# 5   12/7/2010 at 18:41 (4,881 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
so what are you waiting for?

Go buy one so the new one can come out already! :P

Post# 117494 , Reply# 6   12/8/2010 at 02:13 (4,880 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Kirby Sentria

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I bought one when they first came out. Do not like it near as well as the models before it. I am also sick of gray all the time when they do a model change. Surely there are other colors out there besides gray all the time..............

PS I bought a Gsix handle, G4 Cord and G4 bumper to change it to look more like the other models. I finally gave it to my brother and his wife. I understand now that they are going back to the original style headlight....

You can pick them up on Ebay much cheaper than going through a Kirby dealer. NIB

I have the G5 and GSix models for my collection. They are my favorites out of the series.


Post# 117512 , Reply# 7   12/8/2010 at 10:39 (4,880 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Bud & headlight...

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Hello Bud.

Where did you hear the headlight was going back to the original style?

Cheers & hagd all,

Bill


Post# 117513 , Reply# 8   12/8/2010 at 11:05 (4,880 days old) by frosty29 ()        

Dont they have much more plastic?

Post# 117532 , Reply# 9   12/8/2010 at 15:17 (4,880 days old) by djkain2007 ()        
dont quote me....

I hear that its going to be similar to the sentria but different. Still plastic. Bagged. Yellow and blue.

Post# 117554 , Reply# 10   12/8/2010 at 17:49 (4,880 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
kirby Headlight

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Bill here is the thread.

Post# 114197 on 2010-11-09 21:06:15 by thermokid (Thermopolis, WY)
New Kirby ?
A friend of mine in Indiana said his Kirby Dealer that he goes to showed him the new Kirby that just came out.Guess what? It is still a sentria the only difference he said is they went back to the old style headlight like on the Diamond Edition, his dealer said people didn't like the new Led headlight so they went back to the old one. I said good because I don't like the new Led headlight either... So I wonder is this new sentria just around for about a year till the new redesigned Kirby comes out? Kind of like The Legend II was before the G3.....



Post# 117585 , Reply# 11   12/9/2010 at 01:34 (4,879 days old) by thevacuumlover1 ()        
Kirby avalir.

They Are postponing it. The next kirby will not have the L-E-D Lights. Thats all i know. It will have the Ult G head light.

Post# 117610 , Reply# 12   12/9/2010 at 11:07 (4,879 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
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I find the LED headlight to be sufficient and I like it's modern look - I do have white carpet though so it reflects light better than a darker carpet would. :-)

Post# 117640 , Reply# 13   12/9/2010 at 15:34 (4,879 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Probaby out of cheapness ,

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That would be an absolute joke going back to the old style head light . Meanwhile most every vacuum manufacturer are using LED`s and it is the wave of the future as even Automobile`s are using LED`s . Incadescents light`s are about to be phased out forever . I think the LED`s are very bright and show up better even with the lights on. I have white carpet`s and navy blue and it shows up perfectly .My local Kirby store said the emptor has been changed on the Sentria to a smaller one . That is usually a sign of a new model being released soon. Let`s hope it is a change for the best and a departure from the Generation series that have been around for ever.Thanks again Danny

Post# 117642 , Reply# 14   12/9/2010 at 15:43 (4,879 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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I'd much rather see Kirby die than to be made in China. You know, just let it be dead than have it be a shadow of itself.

Post# 117671 , Reply# 15   12/9/2010 at 20:40 (4,879 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
Ben, I totally agree with you....

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It would be an absolute shame to see such a great American brand be brought to its knees by being made in China & having its quality DRASTICALLY reduced.

@Kirbysthebest: How could you even joke about such a scenario?! That would be my worst nightmare come true! And if it's any company that would ruin Kirby, TTI would be the one to do it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed your joke doesn't become reality one day....

Rob


Post# 117727 , Reply# 16   12/10/2010 at 11:16 (4,878 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Bud & the Sentria headlight...

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Hello Bud.

Thanks for the quick reply. I didn't know if you had some 'other source' besides that thread, Bud.



Guys & gals, let me clarify based on facts I know, vs. "s/he said, s/he said" information...

...from people we know, who know other people, who know other people, who know what they think they know based on speculation of hunches. ---->>>> (Whew, don't want to have to say that 3 times fast. ~~lol~~ )



If the Kirby has changed, (at present), don't you think they would make available to us, (their Factory Authorized locations), the parts change information & the parts themselves? Seriously???

Ocassionally there may be a little 'lag time' on receiving updates of changes vs. production; however, we do receive any notices of changes.



When that last thread was posted I was aware of no changes & could not, nor would not comment on it. Frankly, I forget to post on the thread when I since received 'correct' information. (End of Nov.)

Kirby has NOT "gone back" to the old style headlight. They have rather simplified the LED to be an "assembly" vs. seperate components. Much easier, & less prone to install issues.



I sometimes have to just chuckle (& NOT comment) when I see some posts in general, here & elsewhere (on any subject or website).

No disrespect to anyone; however, I was told (& heard) many years ago, when it comes to facts or information in general...

"Trust, but verify."



Remember the game as children, "Telephone?"

If you do not remember (or those not old enough), [I don't know if it is still played by children today. It certainly is by 'adults.' ~~lol~~], here is a link to Wiki that will clarify it.


Cheers & everyone enjoy their day,

Bill






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Post# 117738 , Reply# 17   12/10/2010 at 13:27 (4,878 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

Gee,
I guesst that verbal spanking was directed towards me. When I posted that "I heard from someone that knows someone" It was posted stating that the credibility was low.

AND NO
I do not think that Kirby immediately releases their next generation machine as soon as they develop it.

I worked for Kirby in 1981 the end of the Tradition run. At that time the buzz was about the power drive system, they were developing. With every update of the classic models the buzz was when were they going to add this feature. It was almost nine years later before it's debut.



Post# 117740 , Reply# 18   12/10/2010 at 13:32 (4,878 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
It certainly is by 'adults

I am just wondering, however, what the purpose of a message board, or chat board like this is if we are not allowed to speculate, or discuss developments in upcoming machines.

Mr. Kirbyman would you please be so kind as to list the topics that we are and aren't allowed to discuss so that we do not insult your sensabilities in the future?




Post# 117743 , Reply# 19   12/10/2010 at 15:21 (4,878 days old) by joe22 ()        
gentlemen

we can speculate all day BUT, until someone has one in their hands we will not know anything about the new kirby. . .

except for the given fact, that it will be better than a dyson


Post# 117744 , Reply# 20   12/10/2010 at 15:34 (4,878 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Hello Harley...

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Thank you for your comments, Harley.

The post above was not directed at any individual. ~~lol~~ Your post was not even remotely considered, when I made the generalizations above; however, thank you again for your thoughts.



There is absolutely nothing wrong with speculating, that is what makes this forum useful. I sometimes speculate myself as to what Kirby will come out with next.

It never ceases to amaze me, when (we) think, "How can they makes this any better?" & then they do go & make it better.



Speculation is one thing; saying "...it's on the market..." or "...so & so saw it..." is entirely different; especially when such is not the case.


Cheers & hagd all,

Bill



Post# 117764 , Reply# 21   12/10/2010 at 19:28 (4,878 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
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Hi Bill,

I appreciate the point you made. I am a big Kirby fan and am as anxious as everyone else to see a new kirby come down the pike....Any information that you are able to share with us would be greatly appreciated, when you have it. I went on some demo's with a Kirby distributor when the G4 was the newest model out. He actually got his Kirby's from the Factory Distributor in Dayton Ohio. I always thought I could sell Kirby Vacuums if someone could get me the appointments...Knocking on doors is not my thing....Anyway, he lost his distributorship when he sold one over the phone to someone in Pennsylvania. It was a set up and Kirby does not tolerate going into someone else's territory. I felt bad for him, even though it was a small store, with only him, his mother, and his brother-inlaw working for him.(It was actually his mother that sold the one over the phone.) Didn't mean to go on like this. Sorry for the long post.

Bud


Post# 117827 , Reply# 22   12/11/2010 at 16:16 (4,877 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
A while back

Okay a while back I had posted regarding my dealings with the patent and underwriting of the new kirby. Our office has had several different version of vacuums come in from and unknown Ohio address. As said in the past i am not allowed to discuss too much regarding the items we receive but one thing that is of particular interest that I realized going back through paper work is none of the new stuff coming in is the person submitting the product is not looking for any patent checks on the items just UL testing, not even certification. The main items that they want checked is a digital motor and a digital transmission system.

Now I don't want to make anyone mad on this site by "speculating" (because apparently his job make him the expert on this subject) but after talking with some coworkers, two patent applications this company have submitted have been rejected. Typically a company has 90 days to appeal a denied application but they have not. Also after doing more research I have also noticed that one of the guys listed as engineer on the patents also has his name listed on several patents for Dyson machines.

I have talked with the company submitting the patents and actually met with two engineers from the company (regarding motor issues) Based on my knowledge this company has spent almost one million dollars in patents, and testing fees alone over the past three years, on the machine that I received through my office earlier this year. I cannot imagine any company scraping a project after that much money has been invested, let alone a dying vacuum company doing so.


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Post# 117828 , Reply# 23   12/11/2010 at 16:32 (4,877 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
One more interesting thing

One more interesting thing that I have found out through all my legal research, The Scott Fetzer Company is under current litigation for selling there machines as new. Turns out that under the RICO act, it is illegal to represent any item that has been used as new even if the item was used for demo purposes. There are several other lawsuits going on with the company, which make me ask the question based on the high cost of the machines, the wide variety of other vacuums on the market, and all the litigation, will Kirby even have a chance to release the new model. Just a little food for thought.

Post# 117859 , Reply# 24   12/12/2010 at 02:33 (4,876 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

"selling new machines"Again kirby isn't the only one that does this-the OTHERS do it too.When selling TriStars in our sales car we had bottles of cleaner and paper towels-many times we cleaned machines and repacked them for the next prospect-this is standard in the DTD vacuum trade.If the machine is getting beat up-it is sold at a discount.

Post# 117862 , Reply# 25   12/12/2010 at 05:12 (4,876 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

For the NEXT Kirby-guess we all are going to have to sit it out and WAIT-probably next spring.

Post# 117886 , Reply# 26   12/12/2010 at 13:06 (4,876 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        
Kirby Litigation @isufan11

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I'm not surprised that Kirby is in ligitation (again), as some of their sales reps are not exactly the most upstanding or honest people, but not all of them are like that. For examaple our own club member Bill (a007kirbyman) couldnt possibly be a nicer guy, he is a true professional and extremely knowedgable. Its a shame there are some terrible Kirby sales reps as they are the only ones who you ever see in the headlines. I can only speculate, but I doubt that Kirby/Scott Fetzer is lacking any money. They are a part of Warren Buffet's own Berkshire Hathaway conglomerate, whose stock price at closing on the NYSE yesterday was 120,800 per share.

Post# 117953 , Reply# 27   12/13/2010 at 00:15 (4,875 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        
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I hope Kirby continues to operate, maybe with a better class of salespersons. But, it is time for a total redesign. The G-Type have been in production for 20 years. There were rumors about a digital Kirby back when I started working as a Store Manager/Repairman back in 1996. The G5, if I remember correctly, came out in early 1997 only to be replaced in the summer of 1999 with the G6. When I went work for 'the other guy' in 2006 I was really surprised to see they were still selling a G-Type. The Sentria is nice, but it's been out since the summer of 2006. It is time for something NEW. I hope the next model is not just another color change. How many shades DOES grey come in? I'd like to see Forest Green or Medium Blue. Oh, yes. I would also like to see more curves, less sharp edges.
Just my 'two sents'
Justin


Post# 117973 , Reply# 28   12/13/2010 at 07:39 (4,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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It's not surprising that Kirby is currently in litigation, because I suspect that every major corporation is currently in litigation for something. We live in a litigious society. I'll bet that Aerus is currently being sued, along with TTI, Rainbow, Filter Queen, Eureka, Dyson . . .

Post# 117978 , Reply# 29   12/13/2010 at 10:18 (4,875 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
Sorry

I'm sorry I did not mean to imply anything by my comment about litigation. I know that most of the people on this website are outstanding people, and did not mean to offend or even suggest anything. I twas more of a discussion point.

Post# 117987 , Reply# 30   12/13/2010 at 12:41 (4,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
@isufan11

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You didn't offend me! And I certainly don't think you intended it that way either. And I do appreciate your thoughtfulness.

Post# 118847 , Reply# 31   12/20/2010 at 20:04 (4,868 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
The wait is driving me crazy lol

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Thanks everyone , I hope they bring the new Kirby out soon . I search everywhere for info and it`s very scarce .

Post# 118851 , Reply# 32   12/20/2010 at 20:23 (4,868 days old) by electroluxkirby ()        

2014 is Kirby's 100th anniversary, I wonder if they will have a special anniversary model.....

Post# 119585 , Reply# 33   12/29/2010 at 16:34 (4,859 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
2014 is way too long

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I want a new Kirby now . lol

Post# 119588 , Reply# 34   12/29/2010 at 16:51 (4,859 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

It'll be like "Duke Nukem: Forever", it'll never ever be released.... :P

Post# 120401 , Reply# 35   1/6/2011 at 15:05 (4,851 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Where is the new Kirby ???????

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OK it`s 2011 well over due for a new Kirby . Happy New year everyone . Where is the new KIRBY ?????? lol

Post# 120403 , Reply# 36   1/6/2011 at 15:28 (4,851 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Shhhh

Dan,
We are not allowed to speak of this--It is forbidden.


Post# 120425 , Reply# 37   1/6/2011 at 19:03 (4,851 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Harley ?????????????????

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lol Why not ???
I WANT A NEW KIRBY !!!! LOL
I am having new Kirby withdraw it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to long and a new model is in DEMAND now lol .


Post# 120450 , Reply# 38   1/7/2011 at 03:43 (4,850 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

wait until spring.

Post# 120463 , Reply# 39   1/7/2011 at 07:27 (4,850 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
lol Why not ???

The Kirby Gods are watching. They are outside the Villiage in the younder woods. Everytime we ask about a new one they will delay the introduction by a month and raise the retail asking price by $100.

Go now my Son. We will only whisper this in private.


Post# 120532 , Reply# 40   1/7/2011 at 21:20 (4,850 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Spring hurry up !

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I can`t wait till the spring ...

Post# 120553 , Reply# 41   1/7/2011 at 22:41 (4,850 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
February 2011

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The new Kirby will be out this February .
Burnt Orange color , 8 lbs lighter = more plastic maybe ?
Art deco in style , more rounder than Sentria .The pic of the Sentria shows the new emptor that looks like the demo tool they use with the black cloths to pull dirt .


Post# 120618 , Reply# 42   1/8/2011 at 13:28 (4,849 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Correction ,more like March .

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Kirby is having a World Conference in March with all the distributors to unveil the new model. The conference was announced in November.I can`t wait finally .

Post# 120660 , Reply# 43   1/8/2011 at 20:40 (4,849 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Yes!

I was hoping for a smaller emtor on the new kirby.

Post# 120682 , Reply# 44   1/9/2011 at 00:45 (4,848 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Given how the emtor (a device that caught heavy and possibly sharp debris that could perforate a bag) on a G6-onwards Kirby is just a tube between exhaust and bag fulltube, why not just skip it and shove the bag right onto the exhaust, just like the F&G replacement bags did on older kirbys?

That so-called emtor in that box just looks ugly as sin, and just isn't a proper emtor.... :S

Heck, I could make one just like it using my baird dirtmeter and the top off a broken heritageII mini-emtor... :P


Post# 120728 , Reply# 45   1/9/2011 at 14:06 (4,848 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Well...

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I wonder if the new kirby this year will be a updated version of the Sentria and a new re-worked version of the kirby in 3 years,2014??

James:o)


Post# 120766 , Reply# 46   1/9/2011 at 19:23 (4,848 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
To Kirbymodel2c

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The new Kirby will be out this February .
Burnt Orange color , 8 lbs lighter = more plastic maybe ?
Art deco in style , more rounder than Sentria .


Post# 120771 , Reply# 47   1/9/2011 at 19:51 (4,848 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Burt Orange?

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Please don't tell me "burnt orange"!!! Right now, I'm thinking of the ill advised design cues in the Heritage. I always thought every Kirby was well executed until that one. What were they thinking? Orange? Come on!!! LOL!

Post# 120777 , Reply# 48   1/9/2011 at 21:08 (4,848 days old) by gusherb (Chicagoland)        

I think the orange Heritage was quite nice, and would make a nice departure from the dull color's they've been using since the beginning of the G series.

Post# 120778 , Reply# 49   1/9/2011 at 21:09 (4,848 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Bill - this is a very contemporary colour these days. Take a look at the new Electroluxes, especially the burnt orange on the new UltraOne. It's really cool. You can even see new cars on the road in that colour.

The Kirby may end up being very cool and contemporary - with the proper colour accents. You may end up liking it too!!! :-)

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Post# 120779 , Reply# 50   1/9/2011 at 21:16 (4,848 days old) by gusherb (Chicagoland)        
Yes I forgot...

That burnt orange is "in" right now. We have a couple Ikea lamps in our family room with shades that color, they look very nice with the light gold walls.

Post# 120798 , Reply# 51   1/10/2011 at 03:05 (4,847 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think the last properly coloured and good looking Kirby was the G5, in it's Burgundy (or Cabernet to those across the pond) red it just looked great!!! The LegendII though in my opinion wasn't really that good, maybe if they chose a different red and changed the bag style than just altering the one they've had since the Heritage, then it might have worked, not to mention the LegendII seems to be the most common Kirby here in the UK, so, it holds little interest for me (especially as I have two, and have even had three all at the same time!! All given to me)...

Before that, the best and most interesting colours were the Orange & Charcoal of the Heritage, the Tradition's Blue, the ClassicIII Red and the Dual Sanitronic 80's Avacado green (even if it is a bit of a Marmite colour for some!!)... :)

The Burnt Orange colour sounds pretty risky for a Kirby, but, I guess we shall see what they have to offer, then cast judgement then... :)


Post# 120802 , Reply# 52   1/10/2011 at 04:13 (4,847 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Sentria

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They already have orange accent with the Sentria. Come on Kirby it's better than gray, but not much.


Bud


Post# 120823 , Reply# 53   1/10/2011 at 10:29 (4,847 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Hi kirbyloverdan

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Hi Dan, When I said "I wonder if the new kirby this year will be a updated version of the Sentria and a new re-worked version of the kirby in 3 years,2014??"

Why did you just repeat what you said in your post above??

"The new Kirby will be out this February .
Burnt Orange color , 8 lbs lighter = more plastic maybe ?
Art deco in style , more rounder than Sentria ."

Because from what you have described it just sounds like the New Kirby comming out this spring is a Updated G series machine and not the possible "New" shape we have seen in those patent diagrams that have been floating around for some time now.

Thanks James:o)


Post# 120825 , Reply# 54   1/10/2011 at 11:01 (4,847 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Sorry Kirbymodel2c

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I don`t think it will be the new redesigned "Avalir" or what ever as shows up on the US patent website . It is how ever going to be a different shape but probably the reworked version of the Current "G" series. I also made a mistake as it will be introduced in March at the Kirby convention . So it will depend on how soon the dealers can sell all of their Sentria stock .I can`t wait to see it and buy it .

Post# 120856 , Reply# 55   1/10/2011 at 16:04 (4,847 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        

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So where is this kirby convention? I may want to come. I must tell my supervisor 2 weeks in advanced prior to comming. Also, is it for distributers only by any chance?
Thank you very much.


Post# 120859 , Reply# 56   1/10/2011 at 16:24 (4,847 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Just for Distributers only .

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I am trying to find out from my local Distributer friend when & where it is .Although the convention is always just for distributers and never the public .

Post# 122687 , Reply# 57   1/22/2011 at 21:11 (4,835 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
March is almost here .

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Now it seems to be a totaly re-designed Kirby maybe even close to the pics from the US Patent web site . We`ll soon know more come March . Anyone else have any info yet ???

Post# 124391 , Reply# 58   2/8/2011 at 21:22 (4,818 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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OH I cant wait for the new Kirby to be released.

I have a Sentria at the moment and I prefer the G5 over my Sentria. I think the bag design etc of the G5 is much nicer than the thin bag of the Sentria.

If I trade in my Sentria to the dealer how much can I expect to pay for the new Kirby when it is released?


Post# 124475 , Reply# 59   2/9/2011 at 20:46 (4,817 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        

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I don't think any new model is coming out this year. I have been told that Kirby is not having a World Convention this year and they DO NOT launch a new model until AFTER a World Convention where they show it to their sales force first.
As for the idea that the next model is going to be several pounds less does not seem very likely. That would require dropping the Tech Drive, the Handle Pivot and Slide Block along with the structural supports. I can't see Kirby giving up the Tech Drive. I'd like to know where the rumor about the 'lighter weight and Burnt Orange color' came from. Kirby is pretty good at keeping secrets, I'd bet someone was given bad information.


Post# 124480 , Reply# 60   2/9/2011 at 21:31 (4,817 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
We`ll see who`s right .

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Yes the color may be wrong but kirby`s biggest complaint is weight , is it not ? Why do you think they have been using plastic on the shampooer and now the base of the machine and a new lighter less palstic emptor? They will not get rid of techdrive . Every single time they start to make changes on the model out currently ALWAYS singnal`s a new model change . I know my Kirby brand and have been buying every new model that comes out since 1970 . Yes Kirby does TRY to keep secrets but secrets are always reveled some how some way . Watch and see ; )

Post# 124491 , Reply# 61   2/9/2011 at 22:42 (4,817 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Well

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Something must be right about the name Avalir. Here is a link to the trademark registration.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO compactelectra's LINK


Post# 124495 , Reply# 62   2/9/2011 at 23:02 (4,817 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Kirbyloverdan

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Please can you respond to my comments above.

Thank you.


Post# 124496 , Reply# 63   2/9/2011 at 23:07 (4,817 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Just found the logo...

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Many different logos for the Avalir...

CLICK HERE TO GO TO richardc1983's LINK


Post# 124551 , Reply# 64   2/10/2011 at 19:59 (4,816 days old) by vacman33 ()        

Was wondering where everyone is getting their info. I was told by a Divisional Supervisor they are not getting a new kirby this year. But they are having a world conference this March in Orlando.

Post# 124555 , Reply# 65   2/10/2011 at 21:43 (4,816 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
richardc1983

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Hello Richard
I am not sure what your local dealer would do for your trade .I love the logos you found even though some don`t beleive Kirbys comming out with a new model this year .I guess we`ll see soon enough won`t we .


Post# 125377 , Reply# 66   2/18/2011 at 21:56 (4,808 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
The New Avalir is on it`s way !

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March will be here in 10 day`s then any day in March so will the new Kirby Avalir . Finally !

Post# 125385 , Reply# 67   2/18/2011 at 22:21 (4,808 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

Yee-Haw! I wont be able to buy one, but sentrias wil start showing up at the salvation army.;)

VW


Post# 125428 , Reply# 68   2/19/2011 at 12:45 (4,807 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        
Where are you getting this info?

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Kirbyloverdan, where are you getting your information from. Kirby does not launch a new modle before it's had a World Convension, and from what I have been told they are not having one this year. Also, a friend with connections at the factory says that they ARE NOT building a new model yet and that there are no plans as far as 'source' knows. Who are you getting your information from? You might want to tell your source to check his facts.

Post# 125456 , Reply# 69   2/19/2011 at 19:06 (4,807 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
My aren`t we a tad bit testy ?

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Maybe your "source" doesn`t have the info I have . Warren Buffet just approved the outlay of money now that the electrical ratings are in place.The world conference was last weekend and it was spoken about. The new emptor that nobody beleive`s is real will be on the new Kirby behind the handle instead of off to the side . All Sentria`s that are in the warehouses must be sold first . Then the new model will be introduced in phases. It will be here this year ! When you love a product as much as I do , I always find out about every new Kirby that has ever been released even before many people who work at kirby even know .Hmmmm maybe I know Warren Buffet personally ????

Post# 125477 , Reply# 70   2/19/2011 at 23:15 (4,807 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
It could all be true

Funny that I happened to read this post today. I was working on this very thing today (yes on a Saturday, as I am very dedicated to my job) and I got back an e-mail stating that the US patent office had accepted the patent for a part that we had rejected on the new unit several times.

About a month ago we had a unit come in with a new power control on the handle. The power control is now in the switch as well as the variable speed control which had 3 speeds, as well as a bag indicator light.

The interesting about this part is that the patent abstract came in with a very specific items that the designers wanted us to test on it. The new switch takes the power of the vacuum down by up to 40% of the electricity useage without compromising the power of the motor. Now comes the more interesting part it also had built in "check and balances" to prevent the motor form over heating. It has temperature sensors which also automatically took down the power going to the motor.

All these subtle "motor control changes" are leading me to believe that they may try to market it as energy saving. As of today 2/19 all the parts on the machine that we had in the office have passed UL testing as well as patent cross checks.

I will be the first to say that my continued speculation on the timing of the release of machine has been completely wrong, and I apologize for that. This is one of the first products that I have worked with tat is not following timeline that other products are following when we see them. I will however not apologize for informing what information I can about this vacuum because it is amazing!!

P.S. The Patent for the handle has been published so I attached a link.


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Post# 125487 , Reply# 71   2/20/2011 at 00:43 (4,806 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Sounds like the Kirby is getting too complicated, sensors, speed controls, weird gearing for powering the brushroll, it's getting to be too much I think.... :S

Kind of makes me wonder if it'll do well in today's rather weak economy, people are more tight-fisted with their cash and don't want to buy things that are too expensive, and that Kirby looks like it'll be too expensive, especially when it breaks down and needs repair (as complicated things always do)... :S


Post# 125503 , Reply# 72   2/20/2011 at 10:27 (4,806 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        
@isufan11:Oh My GOD!

Thats what the new kirby will look like?!?!?! I would much rather see kirby DIE than go to that design!

VW


Post# 125510 , Reply# 73   2/20/2011 at 11:18 (4,806 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
It will be an Awsome machine .

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Jon , Thanks for the great info . This Kirby has been in the works for years . They didn`t want to release it until all the bugs were worked out . They have several machines out being used and debugged so that when this is released there will be no problems as were in the Generation series in the begining. Kirby has a reputation for building a reliable machine and WILL NOT compromise that reputation. I will be buying two one to keep in the box and one to use .

Post# 125514 , Reply# 74   2/20/2011 at 12:09 (4,806 days old) by Ohio_Tuec ()        
I would much rather see kirby DIE than go to that design!

Maybe it won't be so bad. Truth be told, we've had 21 years of the Generation series body, and you can only dress it up so many ways. Consumers are tired of it. They've gotten more mileage out of the Sentria than any other Generation model. It's time for a change. I know Kirby would NEVER do it, but I'd like to see them offer two different models - one, a 500 series based, non power drive (with a small rug nozzle & HEPA filtration) at a lower price point, two, the new Kirby Avalir in whatever wacky colors they have picked out. Anyone care to guess which model would sell better?

- Karl


Post# 125542 , Reply# 75   2/20/2011 at 19:00 (4,806 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Energy Saving

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Kirby Vacuums have always been energy saving when compared to say a Dyson or any other clean air design that run at say 1800watts!

I cant wait till it is released I just hope they havent put too much plastic on. Dont see why there is a need for all these sensors though, my kirby has never overheated before they are very resilient. If it hasnt been a problem before why change it now?

I do think a design change is needed though, as long as they keep it dirty fan suction though.


Post# 125547 , Reply# 76   2/20/2011 at 19:37 (4,806 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        

I'm going to stop speculating until I've seen the first photo. Maybe one of you could convince your "private source" of info to get a sneak photo of this machine. Even car magazines have spy photographers who always manage to leak a photo of a new model to print. How hard could it be to get a photo of a vacuum, epsecially if "They have several machines out being used and debugged"?

Post# 125646 , Reply# 77   2/21/2011 at 16:49 (4,805 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Welcome the changes

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My view is that we should welcome the changes whatever they may be. I personally think that the plastic they use on the newer shampoo / floor care nozzle as well as the plastic base pan are not "cheap" plastics. As long as they are durable, who would not welcome the weight savings? My Sentria as it is now is kind of a beast to lug around, but I do like it.

Also, the G series have had plastic handles and attachments for years, all which rarely break. I don't think going plastic is all that bad really.

Andrew


Post# 125700 , Reply# 78   2/22/2011 at 05:00 (4,804 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have to wonder about the new design ,too-sounds just too complicated.Can envision problems with the electronics-that well,are just not needed.Kirby motors have held up fine over the years without any PWM speed controllers and temp monitors.the motors were more than adequately cooled.The discharge to the bag at the top of the fan housing-can bet there is going to be clogging here-same with the part of the hose that has a curve in it.hope they provide "trap doors" in those places so you can remove hairballs,bobby pins and such.
Handles that don't break-at the vac repair places see broken "G" series handles all of the time-the Kirby handles that truely didn't break were the older Tublar aluminum ones.
and by their direct air nature Kirbys are energy savers compared to ANY clean air vacuum.


Post# 125902 , Reply# 79   2/25/2011 at 06:23 (4,801 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        
Portability

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Will the new model still be convertible to the portable configuration?
Or will there be a new corded handheld vacuum model sold along side?
Thanks


Post# 125906 , Reply# 80   2/25/2011 at 06:46 (4,801 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        

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Another thing, will it's motor come apart for repairs like even on the sentria? Like can just it's armature (for example) be replaced if ever it goes bad.
Thanks again


Post# 126387 , Reply# 81   3/1/2011 at 21:52 (4,797 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

OK, guys- my local kirby dealership always has a stand at the annual home improvement show. Its in about a week; well see if they have a new "avalir"

VW


Post# 126391 , Reply# 82   3/1/2011 at 22:23 (4,797 days old) by bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL))        
Just A Thought ....

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Avalir might not actually BE a Kirby? Remember, Scott Fetzer also sells vacs under the Douglas and ReadiVac names -- which are considerably lighter and less expensive than a Kirby. Just wondering .....

Post# 126583 , Reply# 83   3/3/2011 at 18:50 (4,795 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Sorry Rick

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Guess you chose not to click on many of the links that the other members have posted of actual pictures from the United States Patent office . It is in no way connected to Douglas, the machine is a Kirby Avalir .

Post# 126607 , Reply# 84   3/3/2011 at 22:37 (4,795 days old) by bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL))        
Nothing to apologize for...

... No need to say you're sorry, Dan. I'm not misinterpreting anything.

I have clicked on the links above and seen the patent info you refer to. There is NOTHING in those documents that says "this vacuum will be branded as a Kirby." NOTHING.

Based only on those documents, it might be a Kirby, it might be a Douglas, it might be a ReadiVac, it might be an entirely new brand. There's no reason why it couldn't be any of those. They're all under the Scott Fetzer corporate umbrella.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm only stating a possibility. It makes no difference to me if it is a Kirby or if it isn't. I won't be buying one until it hits the thrift shops some years from now.

I have no doubt that it will be built to Kirby standards if it is a Kirby Avalir. If it's a Douglas Avalir, it will be built to a different, lesser standard. Either way, it's an interesting design.

Have a good day.

Rick C.


Post# 126693 , Reply# 85   3/5/2011 at 14:15 (4,793 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        
No new Kirby

Same old sentria... But they had a new emptor, and it just looks... wrong

VW


Post# 126727 , Reply# 86   3/5/2011 at 22:19 (4,793 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
The New Kirby is being built right now .

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It will be here this year . The emptor thats on the newest Sentria is a part that will be on the Kirby Avalir . The Sentria will not be here for much longer . Perfection has taken much longer than thought especially during these economic times which have not helped to sell the rest of the Sentrias that are left in the warehouses.

Post# 126813 , Reply# 87   3/6/2011 at 19:09 (4,792 days old) by kirbyvacuum (Long Island New York)        
Price to high

Hi All i would love Kirby to cut their prices so many more people could afford then.ILOVE Kirbys always have but they are priced WAY OUT OF LINE Doug

Post# 126827 , Reply# 88   3/6/2011 at 20:52 (4,792 days old) by vacman33 ()        

Just offer the kirby guys $500 bucks for a new one, they will sell it to you. If not wait 30 days after the new model comes out you can get one on ebay for that price.

Post# 128184 , Reply# 89   3/22/2011 at 17:01 (4,776 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
22nd March & No news!

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Well here we are the 22nd March... no news on Kirby! So then why you all gone quiet lol...

Post# 128186 , Reply# 90   3/22/2011 at 17:17 (4,776 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        
WOOT! 90th reply!

I did see the new emptor, and it looks UNGODLY ugly! Just sayin'. :P

VW


Post# 128216 , Reply# 91   3/22/2011 at 19:58 (4,776 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Currently being manufactured

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Last I heard they are building them starting this month (March) and they still need to sell all the Sentria`s that are in the warehouse`s .

Post# 129716 , Reply# 92   3/29/2011 at 14:48 (4,769 days old) by wisconsinguy ()        
where is it?

Ive email them and they ignore me. Time to hire a spy.
haha there web page has a bunch of kids on it,do they come with it to? Id rather have a free turbo brush


Post# 129845 , Reply# 93   3/30/2011 at 03:43 (4,768 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Can someone show a picture of the new Sentria Emptor-Haven't seen it.Just be patient-the new Kirby will be announced soon-hopefully-the best thing to do is wait.they will ship it to distributors when the supplies of Sentrias are gone.-Of course that is really IF Kirby is going to have a new model.Usually Kirby and other DTD premium vac makers keep pretty quiet about new models until they are actually selling them.

Post# 129859 , Reply# 94   3/30/2011 at 08:30 (4,768 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
kirby emptor

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If you look at Ebay for Sentria's, some of them have the new emptor on them.



Bud


Post# 130054 , Reply# 95   3/31/2011 at 16:41 (4,767 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
New Emptor to be used on Avalir

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Here is a frontal shot dont have a complete shot as of yet .

Post# 130594 , Reply# 96   4/3/2011 at 21:57 (4,764 days old) by Trebor ()        
New Kirby

The complaints about Kirbys are 1) weight 2) complexity and difficulty of changing to various configurations

The Kirby weighs the same as a full size Dyson, or a Hoover Power Drive. We know it is not really that complex to use, but most women are 1) lazy, and 2) not interested in doing that thorough of a job of cleaning. I know a way to put on board tools on the Kirby without changing all that much and without giving up the portable configurations, but nobody asked me.

The lure of on board tools is not really about cleaning, it is about grabbing debris that is unreachable with the upright. The big box uprights always show a 10 ft reach, straight up with the cleaner next to the woman in the picture. The short stretch hoses collapse when the tool is placed on a surface that restricts airflow, the tools fall off the unit and are of poor quality anyway, but that instant hose offers a 2 second convenience, actual above the floor cleaning be damned. I like the Kirby attachments, especially the wall and ceiling brush and the wands, and the surface nozzle. But can Kirby sell enough machines to survive without pandering to the laziness of their buyers? That is the question. More plastic is inevitable.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble but Kirbys are assembled in the USA from parts sourced world wide, including PROC. The last Kirby to be entirely manufactured from American made parts was the G-6


Post# 130609 , Reply# 97   4/4/2011 at 00:45 (4,764 days old) by Jeanette ()        

but most women are 1) lazy

Thats not fair I own a Kirby but it is difficult to change.


Post# 130613 , Reply# 98   4/4/2011 at 00:59 (4,764 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I think that Kirbys are a niche market and people who like them do it because of what the are so if they make major changes it will be to snag new customers... die hard Kirby fans aren't going to like major changes.... I can't wait to see the new model, but it's going to have to be pretty special to live up to all the hype and mystique surrounding it.

Kirbys aren't difficult to change, they just require a little more work than other vacuums. I personally never use my Kirby attachments because I have other machines that are easier to use and I don't want to go digging in the closet.... I'm lazy! I think for most above the floor tasks, the plastivac uprights will perform as well as a Kirby hose.... Kirbys real claim to fame is deep carpet cleaning.

Jeanette, in Trebors defense, he said most women, not all :o)


Post# 130614 , Reply# 99   4/4/2011 at 01:01 (4,764 days old) by Jeanette ()        

Kirbys aren't difficult to change, they just require a little more work than other vacuums This is the point.

Also if he said most and substitute another race see how that would sound that's how you judge those things.


Post# 130629 , Reply# 100   4/4/2011 at 07:30 (4,763 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
RE: emp-tor

That one is ugly, and I wouldn't considere it an Emp-tor. It is more like a bag couppler. Through this limited view, there doesn't appear to be any place to catch heavy object, or empty them.

I no likey.


Post# 130633 , Reply# 101   4/4/2011 at 08:10 (4,763 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Emptor

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Out of curiosity I took apart the emptor on an Ultimate G. It surprised me. I thought the bottom cavity was for collection, instead what I found was an upward slanting tube with a ridge to hold back the larger debris. By the way I only took this apart because it had been broken.

 

 

Very interesting looking new emptor. Looks beefier, larger strap holding it on. Still like the looks of the other one better. Wonder if they will offer this for the older G Series? or just continue on....

 

 

Bud


Post# 130634 , Reply# 102   4/4/2011 at 08:23 (4,763 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Drawing doesn't show emptor

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Don't get me wrong, I have always thought the emptor on the Kirby was a brilliant design, even more so with with the G Series. I am wondering if the emptor is even necessary since it isn't showing in the drawing? Kirby could still have a top fill bag using a coupling similar to what is on a Royal All Metal. With the size of their fill tube they could just instruct everyone to twist the coupling off and shake out any large debris and snap it back on from time to time.

 

What are your thoughts on this? This is also assuming the new Kirby will look similar to the picture at the patent office........

 

 

Bud


Post# 130636 , Reply# 103   4/4/2011 at 09:13 (4,763 days old) by Trebor ()        
Kirby attachments

What is so difficult about changing a Kirby to attachments? Especially the ones with the pull out lever? What people who complain about the changeover fail to realize is that 1) no other vacuum gives the same flexibility of configuring the wands/tools with that angled elbow. MD Central vac website offers attachments that come close. 2) the removal of the nozzle allow an actual conversion to a hose type cleaner. It rolls easier than any other upright with attachments. All the OBT uprights are wannabes. You can't seriously compare a big box upright with its short collapsible hose with the 7 foot nearly indestructible Kirby hose. Even the Miele S7 (which I really lik) has the annoyance of coping with that shrinking hose when using the upholstery and crevice tools. And Miele does offer an additional hose as an option.

Sorry, Jeanette. To be politically correct I should have said that Kirbys are designed for people who like to clean thoroughly and don't mind spending an extra five minutes to do a superior job.


Post# 130680 , Reply# 104   4/4/2011 at 18:41 (4,763 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

I think Kirbys are quite a bit more work than any other modern vacuum cleaner to change attachments. Todays house-cleaners dont want to spend 30 seconds changing them back and forth. I have no problem doing it, but sometimes I would rather flip the handle of a dyson out or use a canister.


Dysons hose design on the DC17/28 is brilliant. Wont tip over no matter how hard you try.


Post# 130689 , Reply# 105   4/4/2011 at 19:15 (4,763 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Attachments

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I just spent 1.5 hours vacuuming with my Sentria and about 50 minutes of that was with the hose. I find it super easy to change to hose mode. I just vacuum all the rooms first, then I switch to hose and go around and do the areas that I want to do with the hose and attachments.

Andrew


Post# 130733 , Reply# 106   4/5/2011 at 04:31 (4,762 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't find converting the Kirby from an upright vac to a hose canister to be that difficult either.however,I think many canisters do outperform the Kirby in that type of mode-and the Kirby will outperform ANY canister powernozzle.I do use both types of machines together.I don't like using the kirby with the hose when I am vacuuming blind areas-remember what you pick up goes thru that plastic fan!All it takes is a nail or a coin to bust the fan.Gravel from your cars floor can rapidly erode the plastic fans-not a problem with the metal ones.

Post# 130756 , Reply# 107   4/5/2011 at 11:24 (4,762 days old) by Trebor ()        

"I think Kirbys are quite a bit more work than any other modern vacuum cleaner to change attachments."

How do you judge "quite a bit more work" as opposed to a little bit more work?

The metal wands of a power nozzle canister are heavy to lift to do overhead dusting. The attached wands of an OBT upright are clumsy when dusting a lampshade, and have to be removed to use a tool directly on the end of a hose. A Dyson has a hose that tears easily. You cannot yank it around by the hose it will tear, and the hose is not covered under warranty, read the exclusions. The wand cannot reach anything up high with any depth, like a bookshelf. And that collapsing hose is such an annoyance, but we are talking about two different things. I am not speaking of catching a stray cobweb or picking up a piece of popcorn, I am talking about real, honest to goodness above the floor cleaning, vacuuming entire walls, cleaning under the couch cushions, vacuuming the entire couch, including the backs and sides. The Kirby hose and the wands are lighter, so light that 6 of them can be coupled together to reach very high ceilings and still be maneuvered with one hand. The suction control grip between two wands is a boon for reaching ceilings over a sectional sofa placed in a corner. The dust brush is made with real hair. The hose end swivel grip is easy to hold without any curved end in the way for dusting and upholstery. The brush in the crevice tool, the Zipp brush for removing pet hair... When you start looking at really using the attachments task by task to do serious thorough cleaning, the Kirby attachments have a lot going for them. Just a quick swipe to get a single piece of debris, no question there are faster, easier choices. When I use attachments I care about the quality of the result. I have rotator cuff problems that limit the weight I can hold up over my head, and the tension of fighting a hose that wants to collapse with restriction of airflow induces pain. Aside from the few seconds needed to change to the hose, I see no deficiencies in the Kirby tools. There is no running after a second machine, and no moving a second machine out of my way to clean around it or move furniture.

Trebor


Post# 130757 , Reply# 108   4/5/2011 at 11:29 (4,762 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        
Viva la difference!

I have used uprights and cannisters equally over the years.  I think what some might call the "awkward" method of converting to attachments with Kirbys is part of the charm for me.....it's part of the enjoyment of "playing" with the vacuum.   I think it's a matter of adapting your cleaning style whether using the Kirby or a tank.  For efficiency's sake, with a Kirby it makes more sense to do all the attachment-mode cleaning at the same time, then switch to the carpet head.  With a tank it's easier to switch back and forth as you go.   Uprights and even cannister power nozzles are going to be somewhat clumsy when navigating in tight spaces.  In my mother's crowded little apartment I end up doing 80% of the cleaning using just the upholstery, dusting and crevice tools....on my hands and knees! 


Post# 130758 , Reply# 109   4/5/2011 at 11:30 (4,762 days old) by Trebor ()        

"I think Kirbys are quite a bit more work than any other modern vacuum cleaner to change attachments."

How do you judge "quite a bit more work" as opposed to a little bit more work?

The metal wands of a power nozzle canister are heavy to lift to do overhead dusting. The attached wands of an OBT upright are clumsy when dusting a lampshade, and have to be removed to use a tool directly on the end of a hose. A Dyson has a hose that tears easily. You cannot yank it around by the hose it will tear, and the hose is not covered under warranty, read the exclusions. The wand cannot reach anything up high with any depth, like a bookshelf. And that collapsing hose is such an annoyance, but we are talking about two different things. I am not speaking of catching a stray cobweb or picking up a piece of popcorn, I am talking about real, honest to goodness above the floor cleaning, vacuuming entire walls, cleaning under the couch cushions, vacuuming the entire couch, including the backs and sides. The Kirby hose and the wands are lighter, so light that 6 of them can be coupled together to reach very high ceilings and still be maneuvered with one hand. The suction control grip between two wands is a boon for reaching ceilings over a sectional sofa placed in a corner. The dust brush is made with real hair. The hose end swivel grip is easy to hold without any curved end in the way for dusting and upholstery. The brush in the crevice tool, the Zipp brush for removing pet hair... When you start looking at really using the attachments task by task to do serious thorough cleaning, the Kirby attachments have a lot going for them. Just a quick swipe to get a single piece of debris, no question there are faster, easier choices. When I use attachments I care about the quality of the result. I have rotator cuff problems that limit the weight I can hold up over my head, and the tension of fighting a hose that wants to collapse with restriction of airflow induces pain. Aside from the few seconds needed to change to the hose, I see no deficiencies in the Kirby tools. There is no running after a second machine, and no moving a second machine out of my way to clean around it or move furniture.

Trebor


Post# 130760 , Reply# 110   4/5/2011 at 11:43 (4,762 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        

Those are good points, Trebor.  Having a hose that doesn't fight you, and well-designed, light weight tools are something even a person without any physical limitations can appreciate. 


Post# 130766 , Reply# 111   4/5/2011 at 12:00 (4,762 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

I fully resonate with Trebor. When I want to give a room a real thorough cleaning, I always use the Kirby with all its attachments. I find the Kirby tools the most useful and adaptable to the many needs of different furnishings etc. I also combine the more traditional Kirby tool set from my Heritage II Legend with the current style tool set from my G-6. I really like the adaptablity the gooseneck wand from the traditional set gives along with the longer straight wand. It is so much better than fighting with a pistol grip from the more modern canister and tank hose assemblies. The one thing I have done is purchase a wider, more substantial floor brush for my set of Kirby attachments since I do think the one provided in that set is not adequate. The one I purchased is black so it completely matches the set. I use the "utility brush nozzle," for walls and other above the floor cleaning for which I find it very useful.
Bruce


Post# 130767 , Reply# 112   4/5/2011 at 12:01 (4,762 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

Here is the set; I usually use the two Kirbys together when I clean the whole house.

Post# 130768 , Reply# 113   4/5/2011 at 12:02 (4,762 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

close up of the floor brush

Post# 130769 , Reply# 114   4/5/2011 at 12:09 (4,762 days old) by Trebor ()        
optional Kirby floor tools

Has anyone seen the new Kirby floor tool? It's plastic with a curved clip on felt pad, like on a Filter Queen. And Kirby has offered a standard bare floor tool for years. Not sure the Kirby has quite enough oomph to use that wide of a brush, though. Have to say for bare floors the Miele canisters are the bomb

Post# 130772 , Reply# 115   4/5/2011 at 12:16 (4,762 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        

I'm not sure why but I don't use the felt floor pad on my Kirby very much, and didn't use the one on my Filter Queen either.  Seconds on the Miele for bare floors!


Post# 130782 , Reply# 116   4/5/2011 at 14:35 (4,762 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Felt floor pad

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I never used them either. I did buy the Kirby one and tossed it out. It seemed to push the debris and I was afraid it would catch a pebble or something hard and scratch the floor.

 

 

Bud


Post# 130866 , Reply# 117   4/5/2011 at 20:21 (4,762 days old) by Trebor ()        
Was there, in fact, a Kirby World Convention in March?

Is there a difference between just a factory distributors meeting and a world convention? If there was either in March, was there a new Kirby shown? Now that we are into April, at least these pieces of information should be for certain.

Post# 130920 , Reply# 118   4/5/2011 at 22:29 (4,762 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

"Not sure the Kirby has quite enough oomph to use that wide of a brush, though. Have to say for bare floors the Miele canisters are the bomb"

Actually it does! Not the oomph of a Miele canister of course, but quite enough really to clean a bare floor.

When you talk about a "standard bare floor tool," that Kirby offers, are you talking about the one that comes with the standard G series attachments that has the little tiny wheels? Or is there an additional, optional attachment that is a real bare floor tool with real bristles? If the latter, I didn't know of such an attachment. When did they start to offer it? On what model? Very interested.

And of the floor tool with the felt pad ---is this the one that came with the 500 series machines, or do they have a new one now? Below is the picture of the older floor tool with felt pad that came with the 500 series; don't think this came with the Classics/Omegas etc. Definitely not with the Legend series. I have several of these with my 519 and my 560.

But are they offering this again? With the Sentria? Never heard of that.

Anyone have pictures of these new, additional Kirby attachments? Would love to see them.
B.





Post# 130939 , Reply# 119   4/6/2011 at 01:01 (4,762 days old) by Trebor ()        
Kirby floor tools

The bare floor brush is/was part of a cleaning tool set that included an extra wand and a multi-piece extensible crevice tool (not a Kirby designed tool) The other tool is a plastic rug tool which has (as I mentioned in my earlier post) a CURVED felt clip on pad, very much like the one that fit on the Filter Queen straight suction rug nozzle. It was offered for sale on a couple of websites that sell Kirby parts, including dirt meters. It is optional. Most distributors do not bother to stock or promote the wide array of additional Kirby products available.

Post# 130983 , Reply# 120   4/6/2011 at 11:49 (4,761 days old) by Trebor ()        
Now that it's April....

Can anyone verify that there was a distributor's meeting or a Kirby world convention in March?

If so, can anyone verify that a new model Kirby was unveiled, shown in video or pictures, or at least mentioned?

If a new Kirby is not going to be introduced very soon I cannot imagine there will be a new one prior to the 100th anniversary model in 2014.

The marketing and engineering teams are probably having disagreements over this:

Is it better to introduce an interim model which will partially resemble the 100th anniversary model, or just do a color change/minor tweak and then freak everyone out with something that barely resembles a Kirby as we know it in 2014?

There are loyal Kirby buyers who may not purchase a model that doesn't resonate with them, and in that case, the new configuration will have to attract a group of first time Kirby buyers because it overcomes/eliminates the perceived weaknesses/flaws that kept them from becoming Kirby owners before. If the Mothership were to eavesdrop on closed door meetings and broadcast them to us, it would not surprise me in the least to hear arguments in this vein.

Just my thoughts,

Trebor


Post# 131008 , Reply# 121   4/6/2011 at 14:19 (4,761 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

"bare floor brush is/was part of a cleaning tool set that included an extra wand and a multi-piece extensible crevice tool (not a Kirby designed tool"

"The other tool is a plastic rug tool which has (as I mentioned in my earlier post) a CURVED felt clip on pad"

Trebor:
I found several after market items as per your descriptions listed as "Kirby" attachments and one that fits the exact description of the plastic rug tool with the "filter queen-like" dusting pad; but nothing that seemed to be a genuine Kirby attachment. Are any of these that you are talking about actually genuine Kirby attachments that were sold by the Kirby company? When did they offer them and for what model? Do they still offer them? Just wondering because I have never heard of these till today. Not that I would necessarily know this, but I do try to keep up with the Kirby stuff.

Also I think you are spot on about the debates Kirby must now be having regarding a possible release of a a new model. Can't imagine they would do somehting really radically different now and not have some big splash planned for the 100th aniversary. Still wish they would do a retro model alla 560! Or at least use that color scheme.
B.


Post# 131010 , Reply# 122   4/6/2011 at 14:36 (4,761 days old) by Trebor ()        
Kirby floor tools

I know that Kirby offered the bare floor tool in the kit as I described from the factory. This was at the time of the Ultimate G. It was boxed in a Kirby logo cardboard carry case. The other tool, I am not 100% sure but think I saw it in a brochure showing all Kirby products available. Kirby offered a mini detail tool kit, an actual ceiling fan cleaning tool, a universal crevice brush, a mini blind dusting tool with four fingers. There was also a kit with a stretch hose, and extra wand, the mini blind tool, the ceiling fan tool, and the mini tool kit all boxed in a logo carry case as well. I saw pics of all of those, and none of them were KIrby designed, except for the hose ends and the wands. I have a hose coupler with a speed control on it to use the hose on low speed.

The local distributor does not bother displaying any extras because you cannot buy them singly, and so he forfeits 5 or 6 K/yr in profit.


Post# 131011 , Reply# 123   4/6/2011 at 14:52 (4,761 days old) by Trebor ()        
New Kirby.....

I have thought that with the advances in miniaturized motor technology that it should be possible to make the Kirby much smaller and lighter, more like a Royal, with the Kirby toe-touch control, and the smaller portable handle smaller bag arrangement like the older Royal / Electro Hygiene, still keeping the removable nozzle belt lifter arrangement. Royal copied that in the mid 70's and was told by Kirby to stop it, or risk being sued the model# was the 990.It was not on the market long. The old Health Mor uprights had a removable wheel carriage and a smaller nozzle (straight suction) for stairs/ upholstery.
The past is full of good ideas that could be recycled to create a Kirby that is lighter, quieter, simpler to use, easier to service. They could get the weight of the upright down to about 14 lbs.


Post# 131101 , Reply# 124   4/6/2011 at 21:23 (4,761 days old) by Trebor ()        
News about a New Kirby is.....

Zip, Zero, Zilch, Nada,

I spoke for some time this evening with the young man who purchased The Vac Shack, Tom Gasko's former vacuum shop. He sells new Mieles Riccars and Dysons, and a lot of refurbished Kirbys and Rainbows. He orders Kirby bags by the cartons weekly and the local Kirby and Rainbow distributors bring machines to his shop for warranty service. Kirby and Rainbow parts, service and supplies constitute a huge portion of his business because a high percentage of the local populace own one or both of those brands. There is no other vac shop within less than an hour's drive, and no other place to buy a vacuum except Wal-Mart. So he knows both the Kirby and Rainbow distributors quite well.

I asked Evan if there was a distributor meeting in March. He said the Kirby distributor told him yes, he was there. When I asked about the new Kirby, he said the local distributor told him there was absolutely no mention of a new Kirby whatsoever. Evan discussed with me the impracticality of bringing a new model to market now and again in less than three years. The more time goes by, it seems to me, the less likely it is that Kirby will introduce a new model now and again in three years. A 100yr anniversary model could conceivably be introduced in 2013 with a year long celebration, which would make the introduction of the new Kirby just two years away. An 100th anniversary intro in late 2012 seems like jumping the gun a wee bit, but not impossible, which would make the new Kirby only 16 or 17 months away. This is speculation on my part, true enough, but it seems logical.



Post# 131198 , Reply# 125   4/7/2011 at 15:56 (4,760 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Sentria Smaller Main Head

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I wish they would introduce a smaller main cleaning head for carpets as I have gone back to my Sanitaire for a bit simply because the size of the Sentria head does not allow me to get into some areas because of the width of it.

I wish you was able to buy a smaller one as a lot of people complain at the sheer size of the floor head.


Post# 131209 , Reply# 126   4/7/2011 at 17:32 (4,760 days old) by kenkart ()        
If they really want to SELL them.....

Go back and make a Dual 50, Dont change ANYTHING ..except better attachments, long hose, a good disposable bag that is easy to change, and make it more powerful, I would rather push something that weighs about 15 pounds than have all that self propel stuff and have it weigh 25 pounds.

Post# 131220 , Reply# 127   4/7/2011 at 20:49 (4,760 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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Hans,

I think you have a point there. The best Kirby could do is make a smaller, lighter vacuum like the earlier ones but with upgraded motors, with BETTER attachments, (those plastic things...........I mean, come on, this is a vacuum that typically sells for over $1000.00!), and a longer hose.

Isn't it about time Kirby had a direct connect hose to the front of the machine, (after you remove the rug nozzle), that has an integral power souce so you could put on a Sidekick type attachment or even a power nozzle?

I think I could design it if they could built it. The concept is easy. If you remove the weight of the transmission and bulk, you have room for having a an integral direct connect type hose to the front of the vacuum.

Air-Way could have done the same thing and still have been a leader in the industry today. I hope Kirby makes the changes that are needed to stay alive and does not go down the road of Air-Way. However, that would be a long way off.

Charlie


Post# 131301 , Reply# 128   4/8/2011 at 13:46 (4,759 days old) by kenkart ()        
Great Points!

Charlie, you have some great Ideas I hadnt thought of!

Post# 131308 , Reply# 129   4/8/2011 at 14:56 (4,759 days old) by Trebor ()        
I like the Kirby attachments....

Plastic wands are the way to go, don't scratch or dent anything, easy to use high over your head. Wish they has kept the longer straight wand and the curved wand IN ADDITION TO the new 2 piece with the smaller elbow. The duster brush and crevice tool are fine as they are. Even Mieles, Filter Queens and Rainbows have plastic tools nowadays. The Zipp brush is great, I keep a Kirby set up by the back door with a hose and Zipp on it to remove dog hair before I leave. I don't care for the straight suction upholstery tool, but I rarely use it, so it doesn't really matter to me. I use the wide brush nozzle a lot. Longer hose, well I just hooked two of them together with an external hose to hose fitting, and it works great. 16 ft, and it does not noticeably reduce the power of the Zipp brush. If you look at the Kirby tools reach by reach and task by task they far outclass most of the standard vacuum attachments out there.

Post# 131319 , Reply# 130   4/8/2011 at 16:22 (4,759 days old) by normvac (COLUMBUS, OHIO)        
I'm all for Kirby !!

If Kirby would go with Charlies ideas and Hans theroy of going back to a smaller, more powerful cleaner.

Like a dual 50 or 80, with a disposable bag.   It would blow the market right open.  I recently noticed that

with the world market line up of Dysons at the Big Box stores. and all the TV advertising going on. It made

me think of how Hoover just soaked the market with magazine adverts (post war II). Pictures of uprights that do all

things, etc.   That is exactly what Dyson is doing.  They take up one third of the display space at the Target

I shop in.   The other 2.3 s are the other brands, types, steamers, carpet cleans.   That is a large portion of

the vacuum market.   If Kirby came out with the quality machine that  can do, with all of the convience

features and combine the two worlds of upright and cannister (which Hoover tried  with the 28's- 66 conv.)

Selling it with an attachment  package.   They would rock Dysons world.  They (Dyson, NOT a put down but a fact)   are selling plastic at 600+ dollars next to

Bissell plastic for 69.99.   If Kirby came to my Dyson household.  Pitted a new Shinny Kirby at 1500.00

dollars with all that has been talked about above.  I would  (with a good credit program of couse)  give up

that 10/15 year Dyson in a New York min. for the rest of my younger life (when it was there) for that

Kirby.  I don't know what Kirby's market share has been. Nor do I know what Dyson's is.   I just hope

I'm still around to see Kirby meet it in the middle and then eat them up for more.   Just a thought for

the future.

Norm

 


Post# 131326 , Reply# 131   4/8/2011 at 17:33 (4,759 days old) by Trebor ()        
Look at the past...

If Kirby were to make the motor unit with a step on clasp release to separate it from the wheels and height adjustment mechanism, put a longer swing out handle on the belt lifter for more leverage, add a smaller bag and a smaller nozzle with a belt driven brush roll and a portable handle with its own cord to avoid fiddling with the conversion as much, and most of all, a state of the art motor that was quiet, light weight, and small, they would have the perfect cleaning system. If you want to drag the thing around with the hose on, fine, you can, but if you want to reduce the weight to a hand vac you can do that, too. Everything the Kirby has, or ever had could be available, handi butler, moth crystalator, turbo groom, all of it. And they could sell separate motor units as well for people who want to have it set up as both a hand vac and an upright without any changeover. What do you guys think?


Post# 131457 , Reply# 132   4/9/2011 at 06:23 (4,758 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Kirby attachments are OK but the plastic friction fit ones are just not fitting for a high dollar premium machine-lets say lightweight aluminum locking wands-metal floor tools-ditch that HORRIBLE plastic combo thing they now use.and locking tools-its annoying to do averhead cleaning and the tool or wands fall off.For electric motorized hand tools remember kirby would have to go to an electric hose and connectors.the smaller bag would defeat Kirbys purpose-a smaller area filter bag would reduce the performance of the Kiurby system.A variable speed in the hose mode would be nice to use with hand tools.And give purchasers the choice of a wide or narrow width floor nozzle-the customer could chose the nozzle to fit his needs-or he can get both.

Post# 131479 , Reply# 133   4/9/2011 at 10:22 (4,758 days old) by Trebor ()        
continuing speculative design of new Kirby...

Thanks for your input Toliver,

The folding over of the Kirby bag restricts the filtering area somewhat already. I was thinking of the old Royal/Electro Hygiene bags that were smaller than the upright bag. They were still pretty good size. I disagree with the aluminum wands. They eventually lose their shininess and start to rub black off on the skin of people who have high acid content in their systems (like me) The locking mechanisms wear as well as place obstructions in the air path. I have never had problems with the Kirby tools coming apart (in fact, if I twist and push a bit too vigorously, they can be resistant to separating) But they do not dent or crush if stepped on (I have accidentally run over the Generation series hose and wands with a car without damaging them. Plastic is a an extremely durable and versatile manufacturing medium. I have dropped a metal hose end with a metal upholstery tool attached on a wood table and nicked it, not so with plastic.


Post# 131518 , Reply# 134   4/9/2011 at 13:23 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        
Variable speed with hose

It's important to remember, the Generation series DOES have two speeds available when using the hose:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO troopersam's LINK


Post# 132041 , Reply# 135   4/12/2011 at 05:12 (4,755 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have had no problems with locking or telescoping wands obstructing airflow.I just don't like the plastic tools with a hi end Kirby vacuum.Mine get little use.Oh-only on occasion.Canisters get more use for "hose and bag" cleaning jobs canisters usually do.I have seen the plastic Kirby wands get broken from cars rolling over them-and metal wands get bent or crushed.for car cleaning jobs-just be sure the vacuum,hoeses,and wands,tools are clear of the car before moving it.The useless Kirby floor tool just stays in the Kirby Kaddy-instead I use a standard horsehair gen replacement bare floor tool with the Kirby--MUCH better for hard flooring.the Kirby crevice tool with the little brush is very nice-3M vacuums for cleaning out copiers and printers have such a crevice tool.Only other vacuum I know that has a crevice tool with the brush.I don't have problems with alumiun wands-esp if they are plated.They are just nicer to me.NSS vacuums use them!

Post# 132421 , Reply# 136   4/14/2011 at 21:07 (4,753 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Improved Sentria aka Sentria II in June

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Kirby`s newest total redesign is delayed yet again . According to my local Kirby store where I`ve purchased every new Kirby that has ever come out since the Tradition Kirby will be releasing an "improved" Sentria just like they did with the Heritage to the Legand ll . It will have some new improvements and a different color. The new total redesign Avalir or what ever it will be called will now arrive for Kirby`s 100th Anniversary late 2013 as a 2014 . So one more time with the generation series hopefully this will be the last of that series although I love every one and own every one new in the box plus a double of each to use for my every day cleaning.

Post# 132422 , Reply# 137   4/14/2011 at 21:21 (4,753 days old) by Trebor ()        
That makes perfect sense....

...to stay with a tried and true design until the 100th anniversary, and if indeed the Sentria II arrives in June, it will give it a 2 - 2 1/2 year run prior to the new series introduction. If it arrives in June, then production of the Sentria must have ceased so distributors can deplete their stock before the arrival of the new Sentria II. We shall see...

Dan, do you have both the Heritage II with the wide classic style nozzle AND the Heritage II Legend with the streamlined nozzle in your collection? It is not shown on the Kirby model chart, but it was indeed manufactured for a brief time.

And do you have any Kirbys older than the Tradition in your collection?


Post# 132432 , Reply# 138   4/14/2011 at 22:08 (4,753 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Yes I do

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I have both of the heritages with both Nozzles plus the small head as on the older Kirby`s . I do own many older Kirbys form the 500 series through to the Santronics , Classics , Omega`s ect. My brand new Kirbys started with the Tradition because thats was when I was old enough and had the money to start buying Kirby vacuums plus all the other brands (200+) I have purchased through out the years .

Post# 132440 , Reply# 139   4/15/2011 at 00:48 (4,753 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
I can settle for another G Series for now

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I am ok with a few improvements and a color change for now. I have two brothers and when I get a new Kirby they usually get my "old" one. I actually really like the G Series. I bought a used G5 and had Kirby do a rebuild on it (never had that model which ended up being my favorite), I also asked Kent Oyler to rebuild me a Kirby Gsix, and recently bought a NIB Ultimate G off of Ebay. My first was a G4 and am thinking of adding that back to my collection as well.

 

My point to all of this was, I got a little afraid when I heard about the complete model change. What if I didn't like it as well...the G Series are such good cleaners...So I watch for NIB NOS, but I will say "buyer beware" on that score....I just had to take my NIB that I bought from Ebay and have a new fan case put on, the nozzle lock would not lock down tight enough. Other than that, it did look brand new....we all know how to look for dirt in a vacuum cleaner....this had none.

 

Million dollar question, does anyone know what the color of the new Sentria will be?

 

PS When I was at the Kirby dealer, authorized warranty repair service, and this was just yesterday to pick it up, I asked him if a new Kirby was coming down the pike. His reply was maybe in a year of so.....I told him when it came out I would come and see him.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Bud Mattingly

 

 

 


Post# 132459 , Reply# 140   4/15/2011 at 08:19 (4,752 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Kirby Dealers NEVER tell .

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They will never say that a new model is arriving because they have to sell all of the previous model before they release the new model. If they did tell everyone how could they sell the previous model ?

Post# 132461 , Reply# 141   4/15/2011 at 08:41 (4,752 days old) by Trebor ()        
Heritage II and H II Legend

Was the 500 series size nozzle an option with one or both of these models in the US? I heard that it was in Canada. The smaller nozzle is a great idea, but the width of the front from wheel edge to wheel edge limits its usefulness, which is why I think a "pop out" motor/fan casing would be so practical, leaving the wheels, under carriage, height adjustment mechanism, large nozzle and upright handle/cord behind. Pop on a portable handle/cord assembly, smaller bag, and narrower nozzle for a Royal Prince on steroids.

Post# 132504 , Reply# 142   4/15/2011 at 19:52 (4,752 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Both

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The small head was an option in the US because of complaints about the wide nozzel would fit into small areas .

Post# 134382 , Reply# 143   4/27/2011 at 19:06 (4,740 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Still no news ?

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I wish I didn`t listen to the person who teased me with supposed info on the new Kirby . Will one ever be released ????

Post# 134384 , Reply# 144   4/27/2011 at 19:12 (4,740 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
I think the Sentria is one

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Of the longest running models ever. Maybe a sign that the new one WHEN it comes out will really be a total redesign?

Post# 134386 , Reply# 145   4/27/2011 at 19:15 (4,740 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
It is the longest Run

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In Kirby`s entire history this is the longest running model . Lets hope it does change like the patent web site shows .

Post# 134490 , Reply# 146   4/28/2011 at 11:14 (4,739 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Dan

Did I not warn you many post back that this a subject we are not to speak about. Everytime you ask the forbidden question the vacuum gods will delay the release and add $200 to the price. At this point in time it will be 2033 before it's released and will cost $74,000

Post# 134493 , Reply# 147   4/28/2011 at 12:28 (4,739 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
lol OMG

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I should have listened but I can be quite stubborn and now look what I`ve done . lol

Post# 134506 , Reply# 148   4/28/2011 at 15:16 (4,739 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Umm

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Ummm $74,000... Please... U mean $1,000,000! wa ha ha har. (Little pinky next to the corner of my mouth) ;o)

James:o)


Post# 137827 , Reply# 149   5/28/2011 at 08:18 (4,709 days old) by sanimatic ()        
Update- Still Nothing

I was getting my Kirby Diamond Overhauled this week at my Kirby Dealer so I asked when we can expect the "new Kirby". He looked like that was the dumbest question he ever heard, said "it's already out" and pointed to the Sentria. When I explained what I was talking about he then looked sort of uncomfortable and mumbled something like "I don't know anything about that.." You seriously feel like you are trying to pry secrets out of the Soviet Union or Al Qaeda.

Chris


Post# 137846 , Reply# 150   5/28/2011 at 14:32 (4,709 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Where are all of those future model car spies ???

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I hear ya , I am planning on a trip next week to my local Kirby friend to see if he has any updates. The last time I spoke to him a few months ago he said another version of Generation Series , "Sentria II" is on it`s way this summer June maybe and the total redesign wont be released until Kirbys Anniversary.

Post# 137897 , Reply# 151   5/29/2011 at 07:39 (4,708 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
I also heard

from a kirby dealer in Indiana that the new improved designed Kirby won't be out until Kirby's 100th anniversary in 2014?

Post# 140151 , Reply# 152   6/18/2011 at 20:25 (4,688 days old) by Trebor ()        
June is more than half over...

Verily, the summer passeth quickly. Any news, Dan?

Post# 140166 , Reply# 153   6/18/2011 at 21:14 (4,688 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I looked at the plan for the new kirby. I can see it will have problems with the proposed air path to the bag. Clogging of the air path is going to be an issue. I have a feeling this model could be Kirby's "Edsel". If all the additional controls are put on this machine as proposed It is going to be a night mare to maintain or trouble shoot. It's bad enough that the sales marketing teams have given them a back eye over the years with people that felt pressured to buy the new machine just to get the salesman out of the house. I sincerely hope they reconsider this redsign. They would be much better off keeping it as uncomplicated as possible while meeting the needs or demands of the current market. I much prefer the classic design of the pre 1990 era. At some point my trusty Heritage II may not be able to be kept in show room condition. The original accessories and such are being fazed out. At that point I may very well change my loyalties to a good built in system or a good Royal all metal upright Assuming they are still in production. Also they do need to put some controlls on the price of it. While it is a great machine all the way around. The Asking price is way out of line for what it is. Thank fully you can strong arm the sales man and get the price down to a "fair market value"

Post# 140167 , Reply# 154   6/18/2011 at 21:17 (4,688 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
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Where can we find the plans for the new Kirby? Just seeing a drawn prototype would help.

Post# 140170 , Reply# 155   6/18/2011 at 21:46 (4,688 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
Maybe this will help

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I'm not sure if this has been posted, but I searched on Google Patents for the most recent patent for the Scott Fetzer Company and found this. It looks like this new vacuum will have some electronic controls on the handle and the em-tor will be replaced by the air-flow going through the vacuum base itself, with two intake ports.

Even weirder is that there looks to be a separate power-nozzle. What could this new Scott Fetzer vacuum be?

Take a look for yourself. Filing date: Jul 22, 2009
Issue date: Dec 21, 2010


CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK


Post# 140173 , Reply# 156   6/18/2011 at 21:54 (4,688 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Last week my

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Kirby Dealer (One of the best on the East coast), said they are selling off the Sentria`s that are left in the warehouses. This economy is the reason for the delay. It is going to be one more of the Generation series just a different color Sentria.It might be called Sentria II or something else but again with improvements . Kirby is very good a keeping secrets. By the time the newest total redesign is released 2013-14 all of the bugs will be worked out unlike the generation series where they improved over the years. This machine has been out in prototypes for many years and is being thouroughly tested to ensure perfection. Kirby only moves foward they don`t go backwards . They only look at the past to make sure they are not making any mistakes in the present and the future.
Dan


Post# 140196 , Reply# 157   6/19/2011 at 03:23 (4,687 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The proposed kirby shown in the linked drawing just shows too many potental problems.The complex airpath-would be prone to clogging from just about anything from toothpicks to wads of dog,cat,or people hair.The HOKEY belt drive in that-you see more than one belt doing the job that ONE could do.We can't be sure Kirby is going to use the design in the drawing-HOPE NOT-I would not buy that machine for any price.The design shown in the drawing should be REJECTED.The Generation platform seems to be working well for Kirby-just stick with that for the time being.Go with what you know and WORKS.

Post# 140220 , Reply# 158   6/19/2011 at 10:37 (4,687 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
If that were the case

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we would still be driving Edsels and Packards. This is how America works constantly improving products to be the best they can be. That is also why in America you have choices to chose to purchase a new improved product or continue to use what you feel is best suited for your situation. I personally can not wait until the total redesign kirby finally comes to fruition .

Post# 140249 , Reply# 159   6/19/2011 at 15:42 (4,687 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I agree there is nothing wrong with improving a product to make them better. How ever this is over engineering. This proposed machine may look good in concept but I still don't believe that is going to be the quality product that has been produced for almost 100. To the gear head it is a prize and a marvel of engineering. to the every day house wife it is over kill. For the purist a sad day and a disapointment. We very much want to keep our classic machines original and not a habidashery of stadardized made to fit components. That's why we bought a kirby. Reliablity, performance and some thing that will stand up to the test of time. I wouldn't mind giving it the "acid" test and see if I could melt into the floor like Dorthy did with the wicked witch of the west. After that I'm not to sure I would make a "daily driver" in my cleaning routine. It really better do some thing impressive to get my approval rating.

Post# 140289 , Reply# 160   6/20/2011 at 05:20 (4,686 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I just don't see how the machine in the drawings is an improvement-the brushroll drive is just to complicated and too many parts to break or wear out-you now have TWO belts to wear out-its just to "Rube Goldberg" for the job at hand.The complex airpath to the bag -I like Kirbys older straightforward paths better.Rarely clog-and if it does-SIMPLE to unclog it.I admire the SIMPLICITY of Kirbys.they should keep it that way.for me and my gun collection-we have the Colt single Action Army Revolver,the Colt 1911 auto pistol,the Winchester 94 lever action rifle-all of these are over 100yrs old-except the 1911 Colt auto pistol-but close!these are desired designs today by shooters and hunters.There are so many companies that build guns under these designs.THEY WORK!!!!You can trust your LIFE to them.Now a vacuum cleaner may not be that critical-but we have those older Direct air designs that work--STAY WITH THEM!!The present Kirby brushroll drive with the one belt from the motor shaft and belt lifter is SIMPLE and reliable.Stick with it.I don't think Kirbys can be compared to cars like Edsals and Packards-Heck my Dad had a Packard when I was little and it was a VERY nice car!That Packard would be better than a lot of new cars built today.Went on MANY long trips in that car-was nice.Us kids liked it.Yes,some of those trips were to the shooting range and hunting.

Post# 140340 , Reply# 161   6/20/2011 at 18:50 (4,686 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        
Over Engineering

I agree. Way too much going on with this proposed new Kirby from the drawings offered. Kirby has continued to offer an alternative to most other contemporary vacuum cleaners because of its commitment to the traditional design. It has continued to improve the design, but it has been essentially the same technology as the first Kirby Model C.

This represents a departure from that technology. It is trying to be what it is not, instead of being what it is, only better.

I think they would do themselves a big favor to redo the G series -- keeping its power etc with the option of a smaller head and some improvement on the attachments. I think they would have a real winner and an authentic alternative to the rest of the vacuum market.


Post# 140368 , Reply# 162   6/20/2011 at 19:32 (4,686 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I prefer the classic design that has been around from day one of kirby proper. I have thought about the design and yes there are many things to go wrong. I too like the simple operation of the older models. One would think that the engineers at Kirby could better incorporate the the things the public demands into Mr. Kirbys original idea with out a total redesign. With anything there is always room for improvement or a need for some redesign to accomodate new technology. I would like to get one to try for myself and for my collection of kirbys. When the general public is crying for smaller and lighter kirby is goes bigger and heavier. Kirby has fallen victim to the marketing of the competition. If it doesn't have enough sucktion put on a more aggressive brush to make look like it is doing the job. If your afraid of dust mites add a UV Light to kill them. don't want bags go bagless all you have to do is clean a nasty filter often (We all know what a joy that is)and spend a small fortune to replace it. Sadly we discover the down fall after the purchase. All these things to get us to purchase thier product. When all it really takes is to provde a quality product that does what is meant to do and stand behind it like Kirby has done for many Years. The more the hype about it the less impressed I am. It must be to good to be true and usually is. Moral of the story stay with what you know works. Take a good look at the Good will stores and Rumage sales you will see all the products that the infomercials made us believe we couldn't live with out. How many of them lived up to their claims?

Post# 140382 , Reply# 163   6/20/2011 at 20:50 (4,686 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Well what do you

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suggest they do with the Millions of dollars and years invested redesigning the new Kirby ? I guess if they listened to everyone who wants them to go back in time they would have never brought out the Generation series.I guess most of you would just bring back the old fashioned Kirbys which I love too and forget about anything improved.Before the Generation series Kirby was just about to go out of business because customers couldn`t push the non self propelled Kirby`s. Everyone I ever knew who had a Kirby purchased one because of the amazing cleaning they do . After a while of use and struggling to use and carry a Kirby most went into the attic, basement or garage to sit for eternity. Then years later they wind up in yard sales, flea markets and auctions ect.Kirby has had much sucess since the introduction of the G series. This new redesign which WILL be released for Kirby`s 100th anniversary will address all of customers complaints. Life time belt, easy to use attachments, cord winder and a powernozzle to get under beds and low furniture ect.Finger tip switch and speed control.The new Kirby will be bagged and they will never go bagless.It will be lighter made from plastic that will be indestructible as they are using it now on the newest Sentria`s base and shampooer.It will look more modern since most customers think a kirby looks old fashioned,Kirby does tons of customer research and if they want to stay in business for another 100 years it comes down to relentlessly improving on perfection and never resting.I can`t wait until the redesign because I know Kirby will introduce an as close to perfect vacuum that customers will love for years.I love to look at the past but enjoy the present and the future since it`s impossible to go back in time.Too bad the handful of us who love the older Kirby`s could get them to bring back the old one`s . I don`t think we could keep the company in business although I have purchased two of every new model Kirby made since the 70`s when I first started collecting Kirby`s would be enough for their survival.

Post# 140390 , Reply# 164   6/20/2011 at 21:21 (4,686 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
Well what do you do?

We are not asking Kirby to not improve thier product. We are asking them to stay as close to the orginal design that many of us have come to love and at treat like are most loyal and trusted friend. We would like to be able to keep our favorites as close to original as possible not bojacked with made to fit replacements. I worked with women on the tarmac of the local airport that could heft 50 to 100 lb suitcases, cargo shipments and mail bags Why can't women and men of todays age push a 18 lb vacuum when they can lift most anything else if they want to? I work with women and men in the janitorial field that are "over worked" if they have to swing a wetmop that weighs more than 16 0z. The truth of the matter is we have gotten lazy and soft. Anything that requires physical effort is to hard to do. My now gone aunts and uncles that were 2 and 3 times the age of people I work with could out work youngesters at age 80. Hmmmmmm..... they must not have been a fraid to put some effort into the job. Kirby should focus on teaching thier customers how to use the machine with a customer hands on approach so they are comfortable with the purchase not flusterated by not knowing how to use it. The kirby is an extention of my right arm and there for don't give any thought as to how to use it. Not demonstraite, terriorize them with fears of dust and dust mites and praying on people that obviously are not physically able to do such daily tasks as vacuum with any type of cleaning equipment.

Post# 140395 , Reply# 165   6/20/2011 at 21:35 (4,686 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Maybe Kirby should start offering various models of thier machines like thier compition. Instead of here it is take it or leave it. Many chose to leave it for all the reasons we have heard since kirby made his first vacuum. Putting all of your eggs in ones basket is taking risks that could make or break a company. In todays market this is not wise. I would welcome a 500 series kirby with Heritage II to G Series cleaning performace. Same above floor cleaning kit of course. I would also welcome the continuation of the Heritage II set up just as it was back in its day. If you can put todays powerfull motor or similar in it so much the better. Can't possibly have enough suction for me. Continue to offer the G series to those that appreciate it. Then introduce something totaly redsigned and see if it is a hit. Hoover tried it with the Z model. How many homes in america have one of those beasts? At least hoover had is popular standbys to absorb any loss. I do like the bagged windtunnel and use them in the smaller accounts they do good job and easy to maintain. Hmmmmm.... what a brain storm offer more than one model what an ORIGINAL idea

Post# 140397 , Reply# 166   6/20/2011 at 21:49 (4,686 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Kirby never

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has offered more than one model and never will .They are not a Big Box vacuum manufacture.Kirby will how ever offer many different attachment packages to suit individual homes. A Kirby is the only machine a homeowner needs .

Post# 140399 , Reply# 167   6/20/2011 at 21:56 (4,686 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Evolution of Kirby Vacuums

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I personally like the G Series very much, not the Sentria however.  Afraid of the dramatic change I have 3 rebuilt G Series vacuums. G-5, Gsix, and an Ultimate G. I plan on hanging on to these vacuums and if I don't like the anniversary model, I will still have 3 of my favorite cleaners in the G series line. Even though I bought them used, they were rebuilt by Kirby or someone who worked for Kirby. Any Kirby you would like to own can  be sent to the factory for a rebuild for $350.00 plus shipping to and from. With that said, we will always be able to have a Kirby model we like, if we are willing to pay for the rebuilding. It may come back in a different color, but it will clean the same. With the latest brush roll in a G Series it will groom and clean extremely well. I am glad they are doing one more G Series before the big change. Hopefully I will like it enough to buy one brand new from a Kirby Distributor, with the lifetime rebuild. I will also be interested in the unknown yet to be seen Kirby.

 

 

Bud Mattingly


Post# 140409 , Reply# 168   6/20/2011 at 22:32 (4,686 days old) by Trebor ()        
Kirby did make more than one model...

The 'R' series ran concurrent with the 'C' series sold DTD.
The Generation 3 by Kirby was such a huge change, the H2Legend was produced simultaneously for nearly a year until the new design had proved itself. This from a guy who sold Kirbys for over 50 years.

Trebor


Post# 140413 , Reply# 169   6/20/2011 at 22:53 (4,686 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Well I stand corrected

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I should have said since I have been collecting Kirbys being 43 years old and collecting Kirby`s since the 70`s , but here in the Northeast Kirby never sold the H2 Legend II with the G3 . I am from Pennsylvania orig. and my family had a beach house at the Jersey shore where I now reside and both of my Kirby dealers in Pa. & NJ sold all of their H2 Legand II stock before they began to sell the new G3 model.Some dealers might have had left over stock and offered both Legend II and the G3 . I have no idea about the R or the C as they were before my time but very interesting to learn that , thank you Robert for the info.

Post# 140418 , Reply# 170   6/20/2011 at 23:19 (4,686 days old) by vacman117 (Chicago, IL)        

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How is it possible that the Heritage II Legend was sold as the same time as the Generation 3 when the Legend II came AFTER the Heritage II Legend? So wouldn't the Legend II have been sold along side the Generation 3? I am not trying to argue that you are wrong, but I'm just curious.

Chase


Post# 140420 , Reply# 171   6/20/2011 at 23:34 (4,686 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Yes Im aware that the kirby can be rebuilt. I bought the rebuild policy with my Heritage II. I have also helped two others get their machines rebuilt. Both 1CRs. We have a classic omega we wanted rebuilt but can't prove orginal owner ship as the book for the machine was lost by some one the machine was loaned to. After 30yrs we couldn't locate the orginal sales slip either. The 49.00 rebuild to the orginal owner is by far more cost efficent that the $350.00. We had hoped for a complet rebuild. yes you can have it serviced locally and have a few times. But it is still going to be expensive. The machine isn't a treasured keepsake but just a machine that shares the chores with an E2 Rainbow. Yes we want to keep the kirby and keep it in good working order.

No doubt Kirby will never offer more than the model they have decided that everyone must have. However they could benifit by offering more than one. Many people would welcome a classic design with todays performace. I know dream on.
I too have said in this topic that I wouldn't mind getting ahold of the NEW AND IMPROVED Kirby and putting it through its paces. Like many others I'm not conviced that it is the machine I want as my primary vacuum. No one that has posted here has said they wanted to see kirby FAIL. Like some one wants to believe. We have stated that we see in the design some areas that will be problematic and only dealer servicable for the masses. The gear heads here that repair machines will figure out how to fix it themselves provided you can get he exclusive part. There are many people out there that cant tell a philips head screwdriver from a claw hammer. What are they supposed do? Do you really think someone that just paid out over 2 grand for a vaccum cleaner will want to pay some one to clear a blockage out of a poorly though out exaust duct over and over again? Any Kirby dealer can attest to the fact there are many that cant do the most common of repairs on any vacuum. Kirby gets beat up enough by the masses only the truly loyal know better. Because most of the probems have been to user error. None the less One happy customer isn't going to make one much less hundreds of angry former customers go away. And those are the ones that are heard the loudest and clearest.


Post# 140440 , Reply# 172   6/21/2011 at 04:35 (4,685 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

To sum it up---if the new Kirby is plastic---won't buy.THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE.Keep it METAL--PLEASE.Maybe there is some thought to reviving the old designs-simple,lightweight,and EFFECTIVE.The older Kirbys without the power drive-like the 500 series were actually VERY easy to push and maneuver.I just can't envision Kirby becoming a "Plastivac".In the drawings of the proposed machine-if millions of dollars spent on that-someone wasted their money.Improve the Sentria and leave it at that.But I do want to see and try the new Kirby when it comes out.

Post# 140446 , Reply# 173   6/21/2011 at 06:53 (4,685 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
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think I remember someone saying that only part of the machine will be plastic, some parts like the fan case and carpet nozzle will be metal. don't think Kirby would put an easily clogged exhaust duct on one of their vacuums, Not after how the tradition turned out. I'm guessing its just hard to tell from the patent how wide it is. It will surely be close to the same size if the new emtor will fit to it on the back of the handle like I also think I heard someone say.

Post# 140449 , Reply# 174   6/21/2011 at 09:22 (4,685 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
My Opinion for what it's worth

Kirby will have learned from Royal not to move too dramatically too quickly. Even though Kirby is one of the best vacuums made, they are still a niche' machine. They don't want to move too much towards mainstream for fear of losing the loyal followers, however, they are going to want to try to capture those that may waiver in thir direction from "that's what my parents had".

The Boomers are aging, but new generations are comeing along as well. Kirby is going to try to go with a lighter weight less complicated machine for the older users, as well as try to please the get it done and get on with it crowd.

I am with Dan, I don't see Kirby going bagless anytime soon. It took them 75 years to go with a disposable bag; going bagless would seam like a step backwards.

Keep the faith, Buffett won't allow one of his diamonds to turn into glass (or plastic). Unless it's space-aged-designed-by NASA, Tested by John-Deer and produced by elves in a hollow tree.

I wonder how many Kirby execs are reading these posts and learning from us? We could be getting paid as a focus group.


Post# 140453 , Reply# 175   6/21/2011 at 09:40 (4,685 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
"I wonder how many Kirby execs are reading these posts&#

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Yes, has anyone emailed a link to this thread and an explanation to the Kirby Company? The Kirby collectors here know what did and did-not work with older models and Kirby should want to hear that.


Post# 140459 , Reply# 176   6/21/2011 at 11:02 (4,685 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
A while back

Over a year ago I posted that same patent as we had the machine come through the UL/US patent lab. very few things have change in the patent except for the motor, fan and electronic sped control, all of which we found to be sub par, or found to be too similar to another companies patent.

If you look back up in the thread post 70 states:

"Funny that I happened to read this post today. I was working on this very thing today (yes on a Saturday, as I am very dedicated to my job) and I got back an e-mail stating that the US patent office had accepted the patent for a part that we had rejected on the new unit several times.

About a month ago we had a unit come in with a new power control on the handle. The power control is now in the switch as well as the variable speed control which had 3 speeds, as well as a bag indicator light.

The interesting about this part is that the patent abstract came in with a very specific items that the designers wanted us to test on it. The new switch takes the power of the vacuum down by up to 40% of the electricity useage without compromising the power of the motor. Now comes the more interesting part it also had built in "check and balances" to prevent the motor form over heating. It has temperature sensors which also automatically took down the power going to the motor.

All these subtle "motor control changes" are leading me to believe that they may try to market it as energy saving. As of today 2/19 all the parts on the machine that we had in the office have passed UL testing as well as patent cross checks.

I will be the first to say that my continued speculation on the timing of the release of machine has been completely wrong, and I apologize for that. This is one of the first products that I have worked with tat is not following timeline that other products are following when we see them. I will however not apologize for informing what information I can about this vacuum because it is amazing!!"

and post #22

"I have talked with the company submitting the patents and actually met with two engineers from the company (regarding motor issues) Based on my knowledge this company has spent almost one million dollars in patents, and testing fees alone over the past three years, on the machine that I received through my office earlier this year."

With all this being said I would once again be lead to believe that at some point we will see this model come out. It will still be anyones guess as to when, my initial though would have been over a year ago, but this company is anything from normal and they seem to defy all rules of logic. I will once again say that the machine that has came through the office several times is amazing. I feel that it will appeal to the vast majority of you, it has enough of the familiar features, as well as some very nice new modern touches. It also remains about the same in the metal to plastic ratio. I am going to do some checking with one of the guys I use to work with and see what he may know.



Post# 140475 , Reply# 177   6/21/2011 at 14:04 (4,685 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
those several new Kirby patents...

may be nice by the first glance but to IMHO they miss the basic "keep it simple" style. Extra motorized power brush? Why? Then you could just market a good canister. Or in other words: This would make Kirby make their Kirby vacs obsolete by definition.

Extra gears instead of a belt lifter? Why? Bison had gone that way, but got stuck (maybe they should have done some more research, can't Kirby continue down that line?) Of course, all these extra steps to lift the belt should not be there or at least automatic, this is 2011 after all. Click! Nozzle attatched and working.

Double intake port? Why? Suction diverter valves have been around for so long, all those uprights having extra hoses onboard. Sebo stuff et al.... not for me.

Bellowed exhaust to bag? (this one patent there) Why? Why could it be so important to have the bag mounted IN the handle? Sideways wasn't bad after all, was it? Just the necessity for the "emptor" was gone, as paper bags or high-efficiency fibre filters would do away with emptying out heavier stuff. (And DON'T come around your corner telling me it was for "catching stuff" like rings or legos, I am completely on the side of that one post "having a large-object trap in FRONT of the blower unit". Once rings go through the fan, they are ruined and worthless.)

And finally I must agree: The basic main Kirby must keep its classic appearance, it is a divine system of good workmanship and cleaning power, yet the caddy and the accessories leave a lot to be thought over. (Cheapish to me, compared to the high price of the main Kirby and compared what you can get for less money). A metallic wand and some well-thought-of nozzles should be minimum. Never liked any of the that stuff, neither with the older Heritage machines nor with the G series (a Kirby that I LOVE).

It's like buying a grand label business suit, finding a sewing kit inside one of its pockets....

And please please please! Do away with these horrible brass bushings on this forever rattling zip brush. After a couple of years, they all go cranking, shreaking, whining or scratching (so much for what I had found here, NONE would stay for more than five years without servicing or changing parts.) Diverter blades suction-side are good for extra speed, thank you! Curved turbine blades as well, thanks again! But this spring loaded main bushing and the top pin bushing are a nuisance. No matter whether balanced (up to G4) or whether weight-counterbalanced (beginning with G5, the G6 still having both versions around).

I hope Kirby will take their time in making it good. (GOOD! that is, sort of a WOW! machine).



Post# 140480 , Reply# 178   6/21/2011 at 14:53 (4,685 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Thank you very much

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Jon, I know Kirby`s next vacuum will be a true hit . You are very lucky to have seen and worked with it . I hear because they want the machine to be flawless when it is finally released and the economy is the reason for the delay. The introduction for the 100th anniversary will be very exciting .I seem to be a minority but a true and avid Kirby collector/aficionado as in wanting Kirby to totally improve and release a newly redesigned Kirby from the ground up with it`s heritage in mind. It`s just like I am an automobile aficionado and only drive the cars made by the inventor of the automobile and many of the people who drive those cars prefer the older models where as I am always excited when they release new models greatly improved but with the heritage of their roots still in every car they produce. Kirby reminds me of that car company even though they are foreign and Kirby is made in the good ole USA . I have my money ready to purchase two as soon as they are released to continue my Kirby collection way into the future.

Post# 140504 , Reply# 179   6/21/2011 at 20:10 (4,685 days old) by Trebor ()        
L2 and G3

This is pieced together from research, reading, and talking to distributors.

When Gene Windfeldt took the reins of Kirby as president, a number of things were happening. Kirby had bought up the remainder of Bison and their inventory. The motor casing was large enough to accommodate the prototype of the power drive transmission. Kirby was urgently pursing this line of development because Jim Keeler had already created a power drive Kirby called The Keeler, by using a Hoover Power Drive motor in an extended Kirby motor casing. A power nozzle attachment was an option. The only Kirby attachment not useable on the Keeler was the portable handle.

Enter James Dyson trying to break into the North American market. In Dyson's book he mentions Kirby talking about "due diligence" a term James did not understand. Gene Windfeldt chose to pursue the Generation track of production. The alternative was a bagless on board tools upright called the Endeavor (this from the distributor I worked for selling the G4) The G3 was called Generation 3 'by Kirby' (notice the smaller subordinate printing under Generation 3) This was to give plausible deniability to distance themselves from the model should it have been an utter failure. Not every distributor was enthusiastic about the Generation 3. Many of them bought up their fellow distributor's L2 inventory and ordered extras, so the production ran longer and concurrently with the G3. At the time there were two Kirby factories, the one in Andrews TX as well as Cleveland, OH. Naturally Kirby is not going to admit they produced two models concurrently, but since so many distributors ordered and paid for them they had to produce those L2s

Because the bagless trend was looming on the market, if not present at the time, and on-board tools were set to become the latest thing, Kirby nearly became Dyson's avenue to the North American market. There were rumors of a supplementary machine encompassing the old belt-driven handi-butler, the blower functions, the shampooer and floor buffer and the turbo sander. No suction tools for cleaning, and limited dust trapping functions only to accommodate the turbo and handi tools and the buffer. Windfeldt looked at the success of the Keeler and decided that was the direction Kirby should move, incorporating the full range of Kirby versatility in one unit.



Post# 140510 , Reply# 180   6/21/2011 at 20:29 (4,685 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Very interesting Robert

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here in NJ a very high up Kirby distributer who later went on to run Kirby in Texas his name is Richard Rassner might of mispelled his last name. Rich actually had a Legand II that was a prototype Self propelled model that he was given to test before they actually released the G3 and his office in this area was a very big selling office. His second hand guy Bob took over the business and has run it for years ever since rich left. Bob knows all the inside people at Kirby and did say they must have had left overs that they all bought of the L2 because the dealers were not ready for the change as most people on here do not seem to be either. I had purchased two of the very first G3`s that were offered in 1989 I still have one left NIB never used. I had instantly loved the new Kirby G3 and love the entire line of the G series. I can not wait until the newest one is released for the anniversary. By the way Rich who I mentioned above now heads Rexair Rainbow in some form and is very happy with the company. Kirby let a lot of good people go a few years back and I think that has something to do with the delay of the new Kirby also.

Post# 140514 , Reply# 181   6/21/2011 at 20:41 (4,685 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I'm glad Kirby hasn't jumped on the bagless band wagon. While it is a good Idea. It still comes at a price. Cleaning those filters isn't a fun job. And for a society that has become so terrified of dust. You will end up eating more dust cleaning those filters than you would with a shake out bag. Not to mention the loss of cleaning power as they clog up. One has to ask the question how much dirt did we really extract from the textile surfaces in our homes with a "dry" bagless system. While being able to see what you have managed to suck up is facinating. It isn't a true testiment to how well the bagless system really worked. I have seen the videos of Jim's bagless system for the kirby and found it amusing. I liked the part where he demonstraits that you need to clean that filter each time you use the vacuum. And wondered how many times it would get done after the 3rd or 4 time of cleaning the filter. Kirby said years ago to empty the bag after each use "It's just good house keeping". It is still true today. While we don't do it due to the cost of bags. A good quality dust bag and frequently changing them can prodce cleaning results better than bagless machines excluding the water trap machines. I use the micron magic bags in my machines (the ones considered the economy bags) and have found them to be very effective at trapping the dust. The inside of my outer bag is always very clean. I do how ever vacuum out the inside and out side of the outer bag as routine maintence and haven't had any dust issues at home.

Post# 140518 , Reply# 182   6/21/2011 at 21:13 (4,685 days old) by Trebor ()        
I did not know that...

Rich Rassner had moved to Rexair. Ken Bashford was the #1 Kirby distributor in Europe. In fact, I bought my Classic II from a Kiosk in the Nurnberg PX from his organization.



Mike Rowaldi also worked for Rexair after his retirement from Kirby. Mike was a Divisional supervisor for KIrby when I was selling the G4. Mike was threatened with a lawsuit fro violating his 'non compete' clause, he played it out to the end and resigned after three years with Rexair.

Jim Keeler's newest bagless unit is cyclonic and MUCH better than the first attempts, which, by the way does work well. The reason you have to clean it every time is because it's a friggin' Kirby. The intended target audience of the conversion is people with big houses, lots of carpet and multiple cats and dogs. I use it at times, but still have kept the regular bag.


Post# 140519 , Reply# 183   6/21/2011 at 21:39 (4,685 days old) by Trebor ()        
My perfect Kirby...

upright weighing 12 lbs, made of light durable steel alloy. Handle and cord pop out with a small foot pedal, portable hand w/ attached cord pops in. large bag easily replaced with small bag. Quick release of undercarriage with wheels and height adjustment, leaving super-powerful hand vac with 13" wide nozzle, which can be swapped out for 6" belt driven nozzle, 6" straight suction nozzle, 13" bare floor nozzle, carpet shampooer, or floor buffer.

Hose (8ft smooth bore hose like on the old Electro-Hygiene/Royal) can be attached like present day, OR have a plastic tray on casters. The hose would attach at the rear of the tray for better stability. When in position, the handle would tip slightly forward in the tray for better stability. A u-shape bar pivots from underneath to a locked vertical position so the unit sets stably on stairs. Locking the unit to the attachment conversion trolly is possible, but optional, because the weight of the upright and the indentations in the tray make it possible to pull the vacuum around without upsetting it. Going back and forth from upright to attachment use is as simple as picking up the vacuum and setting it on or off the conversion trolly. Can convert to more portable canister or hose type hand vac configuration but not needed 95% of the time, and the conversion trolley automatically incorporates a scrap trap in the suction tube passing under the cleaner. Most of the time a 'fan breaker' is sucked up through the hose because no belt is there to cushion it. Barreling right through the hose into the naked fan blades at high speed-crunch!

Every idea I mentioned has been used at one time or another, except the conversion trolly, and it is a variation of my own patent I was unable to sell. All of them are simple, able to be manufactured very sturdily. The Kirby could shrink in size and weight, and become more sturdy.

For what it's worth, that's my ideal Kirby.
Trebor


Post# 140530 , Reply# 184   6/21/2011 at 22:34 (4,685 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
bagless band wagon

I know that is why I have loved kirbys for 41 of my 44 years. The kirby gets the dirt and puts it what ever dirt capture system is the Ultimate dirt capture system to have this week. It took me a long time to learn to like disposable bags. Kirby got them right. Other brands of disposable bags from many moons ago were useless. it wasn't until the Heritage II that I accepted disposable bags on any vacuum. And yes most time the damage to the fan happens when using the hose. A heavy object trap isn't going to 100% solve the fan issue. It is the nature of the beast. I have taken out fans several times. The solution:? Get a new fan installed and get over it. My life isn't any better or worse off over a broken fan. The bagless dirt cup may be econonmical in some ways. If bagless is so great why isn't orec on the bagless system. He brags up his machines to be so hygenic?
The dirt cup capture system is more about visual that it is about any thing else. They loose air flow like any other dry capture system. We want easy and to spend less time on it. where is the time savings when it takes loger to disassemble and clean, wash and dry and put something back together than it takes to replace a bag. Repenish your stock when you get down to the last few bags and you will never be left high and dry. I buy commrcial equipment and talked to the techs they will also tell you it is over rated and not worth the effort. They have spent more time soothing unhappy customers becouse their machine doesn't work or over heated becouse of neglect to clean the perminant filters.


Post# 140540 , Reply# 185   6/22/2011 at 03:24 (4,684 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I can agree about fan breakage with the hose-esp if you are vacuuming unseen areas in the couch or unseen areas of the floor under the couch-coins can lurk there.that is why I thought of the trap when you use the hose.Coin that comes from unseen area rattles into the trap-no damage.Most people when using the floor nozzle on carpets will react to the clatter if something hard is rattling around in the roller brush.they will shut the machine off and investigate.coin not likely to get into the fan.
I hope Kirby sticks to the disposable Filtrete bags-don't want to go to bagless with filters or dump bags.Most users are not going to clean or vacuum the inner surface of the dump bag.And you will need a second vacuum for that.The conversion trolley-I was sort of thinking of a device like this for Hoover Convertables and Eureka upright vacs.Would give better hose airflow than the orig Hoover convertor.And it acts as a built in trap!Coins,pebbles and such stay in the tray of the unit-fine dust and dirt go thru the fan into the bag.the wheels on its bottom would allow the vac to be pulled along like a canister.


Post# 140648 , Reply# 186   6/22/2011 at 22:02 (4,684 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Tolivac Yes the coverter is convient and acts like a trap. But first you have to get the object there. If you think back those coverters that mount on the machine like the Hoover convertables and Eureka lacked suction. I used them several times and thought to myself I could do better with a soda straw. There is just no way to make a good seal with that type of converter or at least at that time. Heavy objects seldom got that far to even need to be captured. A direct conecton like on a canister or the direct conection on a kirby offers the maximum air flow with out loosing the air flow between coverters and bottom plates that don't make a tight seal.

Most certanly the suction coupler on the kirby could be enlarged so that there would be a higher lip between the bottom of the coupler and the fan opening. Something square bottomed to offer more "storage space". Unfortunaly the way the coupler and other cleaning heads attach would require reworking of the attaching bar. You could make in essence two bars one on either side of the fan opening to free up the space below the fan opening and moving them farther apart from each other could complicate ease of attaching the cleaning heads. And with the volume of air movement in that coupler you still may not be able to get some hard objects to fall in the trap. Things like stick pins, sewing needles, thumb tacks and paper clips don't faze the Kirby

In theory it shouldn't matter but once in use it could be another story. On the G 4 model it seemed to look as some small modification was made to that area. And it did affect getting the cleaning nozzles to go on with ease. I helped a friend master the motions to get the head on her machine easily. I have done it with out thought on all the models from 519 to the G 3 at that time and didn't have any trouble or give it any thougth. How ever I found the G 4 to be a challenge. I mounted the head for that G 4 over 6 times just to master the correct movements to drop it in place with ease every time. So I could pay attention and explain it to her and had her practice it about 6 times. We mastered it and she hasn't had any issues since. When she saw me struggle a bit with it she felt better that it wasn't just her. I said no it's not you it is a little different than what I do with out giving any thought to it. It just seemed a little tricky to get the attaching lugs on the attaching bar with ease on her G 4. I'm not sure if it was just her machine for some reason or if all of the G 4 machines were like that as her's was the only one I have used.


Post# 140653 , Reply# 187   6/22/2011 at 22:22 (4,684 days old) by Trebor ()        
What..

Tolivac and I were suggesting is a molded tray that the upright is set in, with the weight and a live compression seal being tight enough to conduct the suction. A catch of some kind to lock the vacuum on if it were being carried up a fight of steps, but other wise just lifting the vacuum up and onto the converter to use attachments, and up and off to go back to vacuuming carpet.

Post# 140666 , Reply# 188   6/22/2011 at 23:42 (4,684 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

So you wouldn't be removing the head then it would be a larger version of the Hoover/Eureka front mount converter. Sounds like a tray for the whole machine to sit in. correct? Or just a coverter like they had to fit just the nozzle?

With the way the kirby is set up now and the rug guard does have a good seal on as it is you could possibly make a tight seal on the rug guard. The Hoover bottom plates never lock on tight. So you have air coming in from every where but thru the coverter/hose.

You would have to disengage the belt to keep the aggitator from kicking up the debris. As the high air flow is going to make the collected junk move in the converter and with the brush operating could cause a kick up and defeat the whole purpose. Or if the machine would tip over the brush would pull it into the head.
Also the ability to raize the head higher off the floor than Hoover or Eureka you could make a deeper converter to contain the "junk"

I had thought about a coverter for the kirby as a teen but after using said existing coverters for the various machines dropped that idea. I had thought about in the context for those that don't want to take a kirby apart to put on a hose. I for one would give kirby an ear full if the hose didn't mount on the front of the machine. Direct connect is the best. having an option to do either could satisfy all.

It could be worth a try. As the rug guards lock on now. When I had the thought it was in the Classic series era The rug guard was friction fit and the tension on the belt also held the guard on. So a coverter wouldn't have been feasable at that time as you would have again had "air loss" All one could do is make a mock up to try and see if you can make a good seal and not loose to much performance. It may not be as good as what we are used to. But much better than others had in days gone by.

Maybe start a new topic so we can find it easy and pitch Ideas. Something like "kirby nozzle hose conversion" I will think on it as well.


Post# 140670 , Reply# 189   6/23/2011 at 01:03 (4,684 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't have the "tray" convertor in mind so much for a Kirby but for a "pancake" head upright such as the Hoover Convertables or Eurekas.I would leave the Kirby hose system as is except for the trap between the hose and the fan intake of the Kirby powerplant.And on the fan breakages-remember the Kirby motor is running at higher speed when you are using the hose as opposed to the floor-carpet nozzle head.

Post# 140734 , Reply# 190   6/23/2011 at 19:07 (4,683 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Tolivac Oh yes Im am fully aware of the second speed. How ever this is something that may not hit for a while and also if Kirby felt the need to offer some thing like this an additional swich or multi position switch could be used to over ride a speed switch for a front mount hose. Or we at some point may be faced with power controlls on the handle like others. We all know how "difficult and Inconvient" it is to raise your toe to push a button on the current and "out dated" equipment we now are "forced" to use. I for one like the foot controlls and the cord arrangement we have. There are fewer connection points unlike handle mounted power controlls. Kirby could do it now with the foot pedal make it like a two or three way switch like on a lamp. On and off like the switches of the 500 series press and the motor starts when pressure is released. you could then set it up to give a "quick" tap to adjust the speed for the amount of power. To power down press and "hold" again Which if you think about some items like scatter rugs don't require all the horses on the team to be vacuumed. there are some above floor tasks that don't aways need all the "horses" either. Most of us here couldn't possibly have to many "horses" but that is us.

Post# 140735 , Reply# 191   6/23/2011 at 19:10 (4,683 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I probibly just lost millions on my switch thougths. Oh well I don't like money any way. Is th patent office still open at this hour of the day?

Post# 141109 , Reply# 192   6/27/2011 at 15:42 (4,679 days old) by Trebor ()        
I stopped in...

to see the local distributor today. I will be driving two of his dealers to their appointments as soon as I get my van. (Glad to have wheels again!) He has heard NOTHING about a new Kirby, not even a color change.

Post# 141160 , Reply# 193   6/27/2011 at 21:32 (4,679 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

My God, this thread has been around since December! Is this some sort of new forum record?

VW


Post# 141171 , Reply# 194   6/27/2011 at 21:49 (4,679 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Guys, I'd rather Kirby just shut down than bring out this new model. They could never recreate the old days.

As ABBA's Bjorn Ulvaeus says, "Money is not a factor and we would like people to remember us as we were - young, exuberant and full of energy and ambition." Additionally, Benny Andersson says, "We could never recreate the old days. I'd rather be remembered for the way we were 30 years ago."

~Ben


Post# 141192 , Reply# 195   6/27/2011 at 22:16 (4,679 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Well I beg to differ

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as a Kirby Lover I can`t wait until the new and improved model is released.I could only imagine if all companies that produced products never improved or updated the products they made the result would be there would be not one company left and how would America and the world survive ? Inovation and improvement is what makes the world work . Just imagine what the unemployment rate would be if that would happen ? It would be much higher than todays 9.1 % and be more like 100% .

Post# 141194 , Reply# 196   6/27/2011 at 22:18 (4,679 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

I just truly hope that they wont turn into a plastivac company and start selling cheap plastivacs just like Hoover and so many other great companies did.

VW



Post# 141198 , Reply# 197   6/27/2011 at 22:38 (4,679 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Kirby has stayed with its same basic design for over 90 years. Because it is the design that has always out performed others 95% of the time. Other companys changed thier designs to attract costomers. The machines didn't aways perform well. But that was ok as they would try something else. Few other Uprights have the performace of a Kirby. And most can't compete with its durability. At least other brands made after 1970.

We have plasic vacs for those who truly can not use such a heavy unit and those that think they can't push or operate a Kirby. The dispoasable vacuum gives the buyers many choices. Gives me the chance to laugh at all the gimics they fall for in a vacuum that can't compete with the Kirby. Any comparisons that are done are slanted in favor of the competition. With all the commercial vacuums available to me plus the domestic machines. I still Opt for my Kirby. It may not be the perfect vacuum in every situation but it serves me well in 99% of them.


Post# 141228 , Reply# 198   6/28/2011 at 03:38 (4,678 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I can go along with Kirby519-the new design as shown in the drawing is just to "gimicky"to me-Kirby has stayed with their direct air desgn over the years--again becuase it WORKS and works better than other machines out there.I do think the self propelled function of the Kirby can make it easier to push then others-Heck its easier to push a "G" kirby than an Oreck.but LIFTING the Oreck is easier.I liked how Kirby has stayed the course with their deisgn and stuck with it--I feel they should stick with it and show the virtues of the design.I think its HARDER to promote a new design-and are you SURE its going to work?-Are customers going to like it?I just think the brushroll drive in the proposed new design is just to complex for the job you need to do-spin the brushroll.The one belt design does just fine!Lets stay with it.And even if you have to change the belt it only takes minutes to do.with that new design-it would take a tech HOURS-and ALL belts do wear out.I have replaced many "perm" belts in machines-power tools and our transmitters(tune drives).Lets keep the gimicks and "Gee Wiz" gadgets out of the Kirby!

Post# 141264 , Reply# 199   6/28/2011 at 09:50 (4,678 days old) by Trebor ()        
Over 8,000...

Baby Boomers turn 65 everyday. The last ones will turn 65 Dec 31, 2029. A lot of people who cannot work that belt lifter and attachment lock. Makes sense that Kirby would try to offer model that older hand and fingers can use.

I am of the opinion that Kirby should go lighter, quieter, more durable, more powerful. Like a souped up cross between a 500 series Kirby and a Royal metal upright. The Royals are light enough to lift onto a piece of upholstered furniture to vacuum cushions. The handle locks horizontally, vertically and at a slight angle, making it convenient to vacuum mattresses and stairs. There is a lot worth re-examining in the designs of the past.


Post# 141282 , Reply# 200   6/28/2011 at 12:09 (4,678 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Well...

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Well its the end of June at the end of the week and still no new model...
At this rate we won't see a new model till 2014...

James:o)


Post# 141307 , Reply# 201   6/28/2011 at 16:13 (4,678 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

Guys, the new Kirby is going to be a winner. I gurantee it. (Kudos Joe Namath!)

Kirby's been changing their design for nearly 100 years now- and theyve all been quality machines. I dont think we have anything to worry about. :)

VW


Post# 141347 , Reply# 202   6/28/2011 at 21:13 (4,678 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
Over 8000

Only a truly handicaped person can not operate a belt lifter or attachament lock.

When you can teach a 4 yr old to do it why can't any one of any age learn. BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO. Besides this design isn't some thing that came out the day before yesterday that no one has ever seen.

Kirby has been doing it for almost 100 yrs. It is about time lazy people started learning how to do more than push keys on a computer or text on a phone.

I was just having a discussion with a client and we both agree that we should be alarmed by the lack of common sense and phyical ability of the younger generation. It is frightening to think that they will some day be taking care of us. Many of the younger generation may be book smart and computer savy. But when it comes to anything else they are just Over educated fools.


Post# 141351 , Reply# 203   6/28/2011 at 21:21 (4,678 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I guess you have never

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heard of Arthritis which some or most of the 8,000 baby boomers have . It`s really not about knowing how to use a belt lifter but are you physically able to use your hads to turn the belt lifter . Thats why the longer lasting geared belt makes perfect sense.

Post# 141355 , Reply# 204   6/28/2011 at 21:35 (4,678 days old) by Sablekid ()        

The ONLY complaint I hear about Kirby is the price.

I know good quality has its price, but sometimes I think you should go for volume of sales rather than high profit/low sales.



Post# 141366 , Reply# 205   6/28/2011 at 22:17 (4,678 days old) by vacman117 (Chicago, IL)        

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It is most definitely not that people are lazy... Dan said it right. And I know a lot of older people that have Kirbys and it is way to hard for them to get all of the tools together and get them connected. My grandma is like this. It is nearly impossible for her to do so. And every adult that I know that owns a Kirby uses all of the attachments and knows how to work a belt lifter. I even know people with all-metal Royals that use the attachments on them, and that is FAR more of a pain then a Kirby...

And the "over educated fools" remark REALLY gets under my skin. Just because some people don't collect vacuums or work on something mechanical does NOT make them a 'fool'.

Chase


Post# 141368 , Reply# 206   6/28/2011 at 22:19 (4,678 days old) by Trebor ()        
Re-read...

my post. It is 8,000 people PER DAY turning 65 and over. My mom at nearly 78 still changes the head/hose on her Kirby, but it is not as easy for her as it use to be.
My comment was intended to explain WHY Kirby is looking to make their machine easier to use.

Lazy or not, enough people have to buy Kirbys for the company to stay in business. I find the belt lifter on my G$ is more difficult than it used to be. Arthritis does set in, my friend.


Post# 141382 , Reply# 207   6/28/2011 at 22:39 (4,678 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        
Over-educated fools

Yeah, it gets under my skin, too. :S

VW


Post# 141407 , Reply# 208   6/29/2011 at 03:24 (4,677 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Really old or elderly people typically use a cleaning service anyway-they don't do the vacuuming anymore.Both of my parents now have housekeepers come in and do most of the vacuuming.and the cleaners bring their own machines.I don't think either of my parents would use a Kirby if they had it at this point.I just still think the new belt system is just too "gimicky" for a machine of the likes of a Kirby.the "crank" added to the belt lifter was so folks with limited hand strength could use the lifter.

Post# 141416 , Reply# 209   6/29/2011 at 07:04 (4,677 days old) by KirbyLover (Louisville Kentucky )        

I like how my Kirby Classic Omega has those 2 "hooks" on the top of the belt lifter, give you much more to grab compared to a G series. Bring back the hooks!

The biggest problem I see with the Kirby design is having to remove the nozzle to attach the hose. figure out a way to put a hose attachment under the hood or something without dealing with removing the nozzle or turning the belt lifter and daily cleaning would be easier for some people. Perhaps put some carbon fiber parts to reduce weight.


Post# 141421 , Reply# 210   6/29/2011 at 07:37 (4,677 days old) by Trebor ()        
The concept of a Kirby...

may be outmoded. The idea of a single unit adaptable to nearly every conceivable home cleaning function is very appealing during the demonstration, especially with an emphasis on pulling dirt, but consider, is it the most effective and efficient way to go?

An open fan upright is the most ergonomic, energy efficient, simple, easy to service and maintain design for removing imbedded dirt from rugs and carpets, It does not produce strong suction unless the motor draws way more current than required for its primary function. OF all the open fan uprights, two stand out as adequate performers in the hose cleaning department, Kirby and Royal, but they require fiddling with the conversion process.

Canister/Tank Type vacuums require an additional motor and electrified hose to provide brushing action at the nozzle. The hoses wear on the inside from the sand being picked up, as well as from the outside from pulling the unit around. The open fan upright for carpet and the straight suction canister for bare and above the floor cleaning are an unbeatable combination. Or a combination consisting of something like a Sebo Felix, or a GO Clean backpack paired with a Kirby or a Royal would be excellent. In large measure this discussion and ones like it have been fueled by the intention to have one vacuum perform all tasks with equal facility.

A chef has knives for paring, boning, chopping, slicing, mincing and peeling, for breads and cheeses, meats, fruits and vegetables. How often have you used a knife for something other than its optimum purpose when the correct one was at hand in the drawer, just because it was quicker/easier?

A woodworker has a table saw, a radial arm saw, a scroll saw, and a band saw, they all cut wood, what is the purpose of all of the different saws> They each do things the others cannot, or at least to them better.

Perhaps Kirby should be looking at a two or three unit system to reduce weight and increase ease of use. How about we take this thought and run with it for awhile? What units would you like to see teamed with an upright Kirby? In addition to the two I mentioned, I'd consider a Miele universal upright.


Post# 141432 , Reply# 211   6/29/2011 at 09:07 (4,677 days old) by henry200 (Saint Paul MN)        

Consider for a moment how many times when a Kirby hits the second-hand market that, if the attachments are present at all, they appear virtually unused.   In my experience there are a many people who use a vacuum to clean carpeting, period.  Bare floors get a broom-and-dustpan onceover, or nowadays get "swiffered."  And upholstery?  I can't count how many times I've sat on someone's sofa a little too abruptly and sent a cloud of dust into the air, nevermind the piles of crumbs and who knows what between and under the cushions.  A lint brush is the only cleaning tool those sofas ever see.  For these people, who want to "get the job done" in as little time as possible, cleaning in general is a grudgingly-necessary task.   Dragging out a box full of attachments, going through the steps of converting a Kirby back and forth from carpet to hose-mode and then putting everything away again is way too fiddly.

 

Many years ago I gave a friend an Electrolux Olympia.  Her mother had an AE when she was growing up, and later a 1205, (and really used them to their full capability) so I thought this was a good choice.  Being very simple to operate, with a minimum of attachments to keep track of, I thought it was an ideal cleaner for her house with carpeted bedroom and familyroom, and hardwood in living/dining/kitchen areas.  What does she use?  For years it was a BOL Eureka F&G style upright (on carpet and hardwood!) while the Electrolux sat unused in the closet, and now it's a bagless upright.  She told me when I asked once why she doesn't use the Electrolux that "it's too much hassle to put it all together before I can start vacuuming."

 

I think there are a lot of people like my friend for whom a gadget-laden machine like a Kirby is more than they want to deal with.   But for the techno-minded or gadget-obsessed, or clean-freaks like us, they are wonderful household helpers.

 

 


Post# 141434 , Reply# 212   6/29/2011 at 09:24 (4,677 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
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Completely true. I myself could never use only a Kirby for its entire life. On board tools are very handy when using the hose. That why I loved my $39 Bissell Powerforce, handle on the hose, simple tools and light. Too bad it gave me headaches while using it for long periods.

If Kirby had a simple tool caddy on the side of the handle, with just a dusting brush/upholstery tool like Electrolux's and crevice tool, more people would include the hose in their daily or weekly cleaning.


Post# 141439 , Reply# 213   6/29/2011 at 11:55 (4,677 days old) by Sablekid ()        

It just makes me laugh that people need on board everything.

Not just the vacuums

but phones do everything now

Televisions do everything now

Cars are beginning to park themselves etc etc.




Its all getting to be a bit overboard in my opinion. Not to be a personal attack on anyone, but im just noticing the trend that people don't want to stop for an extra second, it needs to be NOW and immediately NEAR


Post# 141501 , Reply# 214   6/29/2011 at 22:37 (4,677 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
Over 8000

Yes i will agree that there are plenty of people with arthritis and have some difficulty operating a Kirby. Same with those that suffered major illness or injury. They usually aren't the ones that couln't handle or operate a simple machine to start with.

As far as the OVER EDUCATED FOOLS. I have met many of them in my line of work. I come from a farm back ground and was taught that things in life weren't going to be handed to you. I was refering to the yonger generation that expect every thing to be handed to them. Or those that opperate on hear say or because their 80 yr old mother is physically unable to do some thing they automaticly are unable to also. Many of the younger generation (Not all) are clue less as to what is expected of them in the world or even what to do. College or no college education. I wasn't out to ruffle any feathers. And sorry if I did.

Like everyone else here I have heard every argument against the kirby you can think of mostly from able bodied people that can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. I work with some one that had a kirby for nearly 30 yrs. She had to take it to the dealer to change the belt. It was also to complicated for her to change attachaments. And Naturally TO HEAVY. And she kept the instuction book in the sani pocket for easy reference. These are the "fools" I'm talking about.

Im not a Rexair/Rainbow person. I have had plenty of first hand experience with them. They are a good machine and work well I just prefer not to fill and empty one every time I just need to vacuum a chair. Plus an upright suits my cleaning needs/style better. Hence the Kirby in the closet.


Post# 141507 , Reply# 215   6/29/2011 at 22:58 (4,677 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
henry 2000

Many people only clean one or two rooms a day. Yes it is combersome to change a machine back and forth daily to do the chores. To make cleaning easy one should pick a task and do that same task thru out the house or level being cleaned. Then change to the next task. IE put the hose on and vacuum all the furniture, corners, edges detail dusting you would do with the vacuum. Edge clean out to where the upright can get to. Then convert back to the upright and go thru the areas again with the upright. We do this in the janitorial field. It sounds like more work but in reality you can get the job done much faster. Which is what everyone wants. We also operate on the idea that EVERYTHING has to be cleaned EVERY TIME. This isn't true. I do have a Royal hand vac that I go over the suface of furniture to remove the cat hair in between heavy vacuuming with the kirby. Usually monthly and have done so for years. On board hoses and attachaments while nice and handy can get to be just as combersome and some times in the way or lost. I have some Hoover windtunnel vacuums at work. They are good vacuums and handy for those quick detailing needs. But the hoses are streatch hoses and can be a chore to work with. Nothing is ever going to be perfect. We just need to take the time to learn how to best use the machine we have. It will be then that you realize the true value of the machine.

Post# 141514 , Reply# 216   6/29/2011 at 23:50 (4,677 days old) by Trebor ()        
Over educated? In what?

The truth is that people with an 8th grade education 100 years ago had more general knowledge, more practical knowledge, more common sense, and more life skills than people today of any educational level you care to name.

The number of years in educational institutions and the number of letters behind one's name do not educated person make. Reading comprehension and clear concise articulation of well-reasoned ideas complete with good grammar and spelling are the foundation of a good education. Enough mathematical skill to perform basic computation with paper and pencil is important, also. The insistence that no one be left behind inevitably causes a lowering of standards, thus require a longer and longer educational trail to proves ones' competence.

Better to have competency exams in subjects at various levels. You pass, you own the competency and can put in on your resume. You don't pass, you can't claim the competency.

An appalling percentage of people cannot read and write at what was a sixth grade level 50 years ago. So, I wonder, in what are all these fools over educated?


Post# 141519 , Reply# 217   6/30/2011 at 01:21 (4,676 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Trebor.

How very true. And that is all I was trying to say with out writting and esay. It had been a rough day. The day I made several references that ruffled feathers. That was not my intent. Or to Ignore the fact that there are truly some people that the kirby just isn't right for. I guess I just assumed that most people in those situations had some one to help with the tasks they had difficulty with. I for one stepped up to the plate and gladly helped my elderly grandparents with the chores they needed help with inspite of being 2 hours away. It was family duty. Something of which seems to be going by the wayside along with the other social graces and common sense.

I will be interested to see what the post are to the Kirby multi unit cleaning system I started. I put your idea out there to get it seen and get the feed back you are for. I'm all for an easier and better way of doing things.


Post# 141526 , Reply# 218   6/30/2011 at 04:41 (4,676 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have seen MANY Kirbys-have a Heritage-where the hand tools are still in their wrappers-never been used.but the belt in the floor-carpet nozzle was worn and had to be replaced.I tooo,use a separate canister for the canister jobs.Use the Kirby for carpet cleaning-I do use the hose occasionally.The other Kirbys I have seen with unused tools are those in thrift shops and pawn shops.And have seen MANY Rainbows in pawn shops here.I have some backpack vacs in my collection-would NOT recommend them for home use--too many "bump into" trajedies.A wheeled canister is better.The Felix is awkward as well for use as a hip vacuum.Had one breifly but took it back.worked great as an upright-but with the hose was AWKWARD.You had to use one hand to hold and carry the thing and the other to use the tool.Wish there was a roller base or something to rest the unit on while using the hose-and a longer hose.I feel maybe Kirby should give the "cleaning team" approach a thought.An upright and canister vacuums as separate units-and they can be equipped with the proper tools to suit the user.Douglas- a division of Scott&Fetzer-make canister vacuums.
Add another tool to the list of saws for woodworkers-the family of miter saws-standard,compound,and slide miter saws-these are replacing the radial arm saw.Only two companies make radial saws now---Rockwell-Delta, and Rigid-Craftsman-made by Emerson tools.Miter saws are a hit among building contractors now-you hardly see them using radial saws anymore.The only jobsite "stationary" tools I see on building sites now are miter saws and portable table saws set up on sawhorses or such.and of course each worker usually has a hand held circular saw(corded&cordless) and maybe a drill.cordless at that,too.


Post# 141596 , Reply# 219   6/30/2011 at 19:50 (4,676 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I do the Team cleaning approach now with one machine as the main driver. it was the way I was taught to clean. In commercial applications you have more people on site and can justify seperate machines for the various tasks. It is about time managment on the job and you don't do every job daily. Tasks are broken down to daily, weekly, monthly. With the economy the way it is you clean to remove obvious soiling. There are of course exceptions. Even in hospitals they don't clean every inch of the place daily. Common touch surfaces and Restrooms get the high priority after the operating rooms. Some of our difficulties at home are how we approach cleaning at home and what our perception of clean is. It is easy to do far more than is really needed. Depending on the size of a home or apt. Storage of additional equipment can be come an issue. Trying to keep things handy and easly stored.

Post# 142201 , Reply# 220   7/6/2011 at 20:26 (4,670 days old) by Trebor ()        
We will have to wait...

until late 2013 for the new Kirby. I spoke with the local office and they say the factory has said unequivocally that there is no planned color change for the Sentria, that the current model and color scheme will be offered until the 100th anniversary model is out, which will make the Sentria the longest running model Kirby ever (it is already0

I don't know why a color change is such a big deal that they will not do it, but apparently they have their reasons.



Post# 142204 , Reply# 221   7/6/2011 at 20:53 (4,670 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Because it is

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cheaper to leave it as is . Well that`s good new`s at least they will be bringing out the totally new redesigned Kirby . I`ve waited this long I will continue to buy all the other new models from all the other D2D Vacuum companies.

Post# 142313 , Reply# 222   7/8/2011 at 04:41 (4,668 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
Me Too Kirby Lover Dan !

I will buy all the other DTD machines till the new kirby comes out. I wanted to get the new Rainbow, but I heard one run on you tube the other day and it was as noisy as my E2 2 speed is. So if they are that noisy I don't think I will be buying a new Rainbow because I don't like my Noisy E2 2 speed.... Dan

Post# 142321 , Reply# 223   7/8/2011 at 07:36 (4,668 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Hey Dan (Thermokid)

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I just purchased the new Rainbow E2 Onyx and it is so much quieter than my E2 Gold.
It is well worth buying . I love my new Onyx .


Post# 142340 , Reply# 224   7/8/2011 at 10:48 (4,668 days old) by hoover1 ()        

I hope the new kirby looks more like the old ones.


Josh


Post# 142407 , Reply# 225   7/8/2011 at 19:44 (4,668 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
New Kirby looking similar to the old ones.

Hoover 1 you are not alone in that thougth. I too would like to see the classic design stay on the market. Only time will tell what direction Kirby will take their design. From some of the drawings we have seen patents for it is anyone's guess.

Post# 142420 , Reply# 226   7/8/2011 at 20:42 (4,668 days old) by KirbyLover (Louisville Kentucky )        

I am up for any kind of design as long as they do not subtract metal and add more plastic. Keep them lasting a lifetime....

Post# 142457 , Reply# 227   7/9/2011 at 07:11 (4,667 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
But..

Plastic is fine as long as its the super long lasting stuff. I see no issue in plastic if it is just as or more durable than metal. (and KIRBY claims theirs is more durable.) They have already been using plastic for the sentria basepan and shampooer head for a couple years now. As far as I know there have been no issues. The basepan being plastic subtracts 5 pounds (I think) from the machine, which is the only complaint I ever hear from people about KIRBYs. Everything depends on the plastic used, but I don't think KIRBY would remove all the metal from their machines.

Post# 143317 , Reply# 228   7/15/2011 at 06:12 (4,661 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I think the plastic is a problem with the newer machines--too much of it.Remember this is a high end machine not a WalMart special.I feel Kirby should put MORE metal into the machines-not less.Esp the fan.and for folks who are enviorenment types-the metal is more freindly.It is more easily recycled.Plastic of just about any type is more likely to fill the landfill.Plastic tends to deteriate more than metal from age.


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