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Dyson vs. Royal Everlast/Kirby
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Post# 115496   11/21/2010 at 23:03 (4,898 days old) by Vacuumalex ()        

Hey Everyone,

I was just wondering what the common consensus was about Dyson vacuums. Are they everything they're cracked up to be?
Basically, I was wondering if they cleaned any better than a Royal Everlast or Kirby. In my experience, Royal Everlasts or Kirbys have for the most part cleaned and groomed the carpet the best. I'm not saying that some other cleaners aren't comparable, but how do Dysons perform against a Royal? Any input would be great!
Thanks everyone,

Alex


Post# 115497 , Reply# 1   11/21/2010 at 23:07 (4,898 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I love mine, but that is only one machine, have not tested any other Dysons , so not much help. Sorry.

Post# 115498 , Reply# 2   11/21/2010 at 23:08 (4,898 days old) by DysonAnimal ()        
Very, VERY tired of trying to provide any balance here...

...so let the hate-fest begin!

Post# 115526 , Reply# 3   11/22/2010 at 10:00 (4,897 days old) by powertank ()        

Well, it's really hard to compare them. They're like apples and oranges. The design theory behind them is so different. Royals are my favorite vacuums, but after hearing people talk about the newer Dysons, I found a few and tested them out. I still am not wild about Dysons, but the newer ones are way better than the old ones. I can see why people like them.

Post# 115527 , Reply# 4   11/22/2010 at 10:01 (4,897 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
I have one Dyson

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and I really like it. It is a DC07 all floors I bought on eBay for $50. I have two cats, and it really seems to pick up the cat hair very well. I use it daily, and use my Kirby or Filter queen when I want to do a really good deep cleaning.

Post# 115529 , Reply# 5   11/22/2010 at 10:29 (4,897 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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My dc18 has been daily for possibly years? A long time anyway, never a problem, very easy to handle, love the long hose.

Post# 115532 , Reply# 6   11/22/2010 at 11:36 (4,897 days old) by joe22 ()        
and use my Kirby or Filter queen when I want to do a really

AMEN

Post# 115556 , Reply# 7   11/22/2010 at 15:53 (4,897 days old) by riccarstar ()        

Everlast with a brush stiffner out does them all.

riccarstar


Post# 115588 , Reply# 8   11/22/2010 at 20:56 (4,897 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I was going to say very much what Powertank did... you can't compare them, they are just two different "animals". Dysons don't claim to be powerful, they claim not to lose suction. I love my Dyson even though it has the awful clutch system and the dreadful telescopic wand, but if I wanted to get deeply embedded sand out of a plush carpet, I'd reach for the Kirby Sentria if those were my only two choices.

Post# 115609 , Reply# 9   11/23/2010 at 04:46 (4,896 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have tried my Kirbys vs Dyson-for me the Kirby wins "nozzles down"!One of my Dysons came from a Kirby dealer as a trade in.A DC07 its wimpy brushroll just can't compare to the Kirbys.My other Dyson-DC25 Ball I think it is-again the Kirby does better-the later Dyson I have has a better brushroll-but whole house vacuuming with it-then go over the area with the Kirby and its dirtmeter-The dirtmeter pads get stuffed with mostly very fine dust the Dyson missed.And when I used my Dysons-dumpted the dirt cup between uses.Got LOTS of "Fluff" with the Dyson Ball-but VERY little finer dirt.

Post# 115628 , Reply# 10   11/23/2010 at 10:04 (4,896 days old) by Ohio_Tuec ()        

I'm with Tolivac, I have a DC07 and a DC24 (gave away my DC15 Ball animal), and thusfar every Generation Kirby except the Diamond G. I will agree the newer Dysons clean better, but I still prefer a Kirby hands down. The Dyson brushroll is too aggressive on carpets, that's why you will still see fluff in the bin even after the carpet has been thoroughly cleaned. Do I think the Dyson is overpriced? Absolutely! There are alot of other bagless machines that have the same cyclone technology for alot less. And why the high markup for a machine that's not even manufactured in the U.K. anymore? Just my two cents....

Post# 115630 , Reply# 11   11/23/2010 at 10:21 (4,896 days old) by joe22 ()        
VERY little finer dirt

because the KIRBY already got all the deep down fine dirt

Post# 115634 , Reply# 12   11/23/2010 at 10:51 (4,896 days old) by DysonAnimal ()        
"...THE Dyson..." "...THE Dyson brushroll..."

WHICH Dyson? WHICH Dyson brushroll?

Post# 115644 , Reply# 13   11/23/2010 at 13:50 (4,896 days old) by sebox4 ()        
Why would you even bother trying to compare a Dyson to a Kir

That's like comparing a carpet shampooer to a vacuum cleaner and asking which one will leave carpets cleanest! It's obvious which one, but would you shampoo your carpets as part of your everyday clean up!?

They are completely different machines and which one is more useful and practical depends entirely on the situation.

Yes a Kirby probably does clean "the best" and is fine for a fit, healthy man in a sprawling American ranch full of wall to wall carpet so deep you could get lost in, spread out over a single story with large expanses of carpet to clean.

Try giving one to a little frail old lady to vacuum your average British home with a combination of short pile carpets and (increasingly more over recent years) bare floors. I wonder which machine would be "best" then!

Matt


Post# 115645 , Reply# 14   11/23/2010 at 13:52 (4,896 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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That is a very good point! Also with a Kirby you have a given, they are very much alike??? Have only owned 4, so not sure, Dyson's line varies a lot and I am sure their cleaning ability does also. Wasn't going to throw this in the mix guys, but my dear friend has both, Kirby older red, very large head, they Dyson cleans up behind it, lots of sand and grit. There ya go.

Post# 115660 , Reply# 15   11/23/2010 at 15:54 (4,896 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I agree with Matt - the 2 are just incomparable.
When making such comparisons, you have to bare in mind the market to which both machines would sell to. Clearly, both have a market otherwise this conversation wouldn't exist. Not to mention, personal preference. You have to bare in mind, that Kirby retail for more than 5 times the cost of a Dyson (in the UK at least). Your average vacuum buying public, I would imagine, would find that an outrageous amount to spend on any appliance.

Now, take away the fact that people on here have the knowledge they do, and are enthusiasts for such appliances for a moment. The Dyson is a well known brand, it appears to do a great job, picks up everything off the carpet, easy to empty and very powerful. What more does your average vacuum buying public want? Why splash out £2000 on a Kirby, when you can get a Dyson for £200 that still does everything a person needs it to?

Now, any of you who have spoken to me know my feelings on Dyson (although, most of the time I don't get my point across very well) - PERSONALLY, I'm not a fan. I don't really like bagless vacuums. HOWEVER, if you want a bagless vacuum, there really is no other option. My feelings on Dyson machines are purely just personal dislikes, and in terms of performance, I can't fault them and there are many people out there who love their Dysons.


Post# 115664 , Reply# 16   11/23/2010 at 16:28 (4,896 days old) by joe22 ()        
but remember

dyson advertises a lot in the media, that is how it became well known

kirby is from 50+ years of experience, word of mouth, and the demo

kirby is known for its quality and cleaning ability

dyson for a 30 second media blurb with a nice comforting voice over


Post# 115666 , Reply# 17   11/23/2010 at 16:32 (4,896 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
dyson for a 30 second media blurb with a nice comforting voi

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I totally disagree with you there. As much as I have my personal dislikes about them, Dyson have proved to be a pretty reliable brand here in the UK, with many people still using 12 - 15 year old DC01's - I know of a number of people who still have these in daily use. I know a large number of people who are very happy with their Dysons and would, and have, recommended them to friends and family

Post# 115667 , Reply# 18   11/23/2010 at 16:35 (4,896 days old) by DysonAnimal ()        
Ahh yes, the "demo" (/ hostage situation?)...

Remember that famous Kirby sales pitch:

'I don't care if you only have wooden floors! Hand over your grandchildren's inheritance or I won't leave!'

OR:

'Alzheimer's? KA-CHING!'


Post# 115668 , Reply# 19   11/23/2010 at 16:41 (4,896 days old) by DysonAnimal ()        

Ok, Dyson do 30 second TV spots. But how do Kirby get sales? And before you start hurling Sani-Emptors at me, I don't work for Inside Edition!

Kirby might try to shirk responsibility by blaming the distributors, but the salesmen are essentially the public face of their company. I have friends who have worked as Kirby salemen, who are still bitter about the experience of failing to get a single booking, and therefore being refused payment for weeks of work...





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EDIT: I've removed the embedded video of Part 2 of the exposé because I realised the content may contradict forum rules. Anyone who wants to see it can find it on YouTube. Scary stuff.




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Post# 115672 , Reply# 20   11/23/2010 at 17:04 (4,896 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Dyson overpriced?! LOL

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I agree with that, actually, I do think they're overpriced. There is no way I would pay £349 for a Dyson. Having said that, I wouldn't, and didn't, pay that for ANY vacuum, so thats not really a Dyson issue. I wouldn't pay that for a Sebo or Miele S7, and those are 2 of my favourites.

Post# 115673 , Reply# 21   11/23/2010 at 17:22 (4,896 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Family friend of ours, got pressured into buying a second hand Kirby in excess of $1500.

She was a 70 year old widow on a pension.

Department of Fair Trading was called. Nothing they hadn't heard before. She ended up returning the vacuum and getting a full refund.


Post# 115680 , Reply# 22   11/23/2010 at 18:27 (4,896 days old) by joe22 ()        
I do think they're overpriced

over engineered too

Post# 115694 , Reply# 23   11/23/2010 at 20:31 (4,896 days old) by schwinnapproved ()        

I'm one of the neutral guys between Dyson and Kirby. Reason being, I like both.

I used to dog Dyson cleaners and constantly take note of the flaws, I admit it. Now that I look back on it I really do feel it was mostly because I followed other peoples opinions rather than make my own. Long story short, I got an older Dyson about a year ago. I tore it apart, learned the technology and of course vacuumed everything with it. As it ended up turning out, I loved it. From there I borrowed a book from a friend ("Against the odds" by James Dyson) and further educated myself on how the company evolved and how/why the original cyclonic technology was produced. I simply became fascinated. I now own two newer model Dysons and use them both all of the time.

Like EVERY vacuum brand and model, there are cons with the pros. I find things on my Dyson vacs that certainly could have been improved but I'm not going to disown them because of it.

Some of us like Kirbys and some prefer Dysons (or other brands instead). I personally like both quite a bit. When it comes down to it for the individual, its your money, your house and your time. Buy what YOU like and not just because of others opinions. I made myself look like a fool a few years back when I followed the band wagon of "Dyson is crap" people and never got my own facts. When I finally opened my eyes and did, I clearly had a change of mind! Keep up the great work Mr. Dyson. Same to the Kirby engineers.


Post# 115696 , Reply# 24   11/23/2010 at 20:46 (4,896 days old) by luxg ()        
Very wise words

Matthew, I do not own a Dyson but have used one at a friends a few times. I don't seem to find them user friendly but then that is because I haven't taken the time to see how they really go together. They do seem a bit heavy too but then so are Kirby's. However I am sure that they are very good cleaners and one day I will own one. I'm so glad that we don't all like the same kind of vacuums, that would be very boring. I really do admire James Dyson and what he has done.

Terry


Post# 115704 , Reply# 25   11/23/2010 at 22:11 (4,896 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Obviously, I'm Kirby guy. But even I have to admit that the Dyson Ball is quite an innovative design. I played around with one at the store a while back and was quite impressed. Just out of curiosity, which Dyson is the most effective deep cleaner? Some day I would like to get a Dyson. So if I had to guess, would it be the DC28?


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