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Post# 113296   11/2/2010 at 20:26 (3,266 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        

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OK - there have been a few threads here and there about Electroluxes and their power nozzles. Brian Jacob (Mercuryman) from Long Island started it with his posting of his beautiful Lux PN1. That started a discussion of the progression of Electrolux power nozzles and the various apparatus used to hook them up to the AF, G, L, 1205, etc., etc. Here is a link to that thread. Thanks for starting this Brian!

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Post# 113297 , Reply# 1   11/2/2010 at 20:31 (3,266 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        
Next - I posted a bitch session

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About the tan G and tan PN1 that Charlie sent me. These posts raised many questions about the history of the Lux power nozzles. Some with direct connections, some with pigtails, some with cleanout ports, others not. I'd like to start a discussion of the Lux power nozzles since there seems to be long history of them with many variations. We haven't even discussed the PN2 that came with the later 1205 after Consolidated Foods acquired the company. Here is a shot of a PN2 that I found brand new. Interestingly, it had two leads connecting on the hose end, but three going into the power nozzle. What is that all about?

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Post# 113298 , Reply# 2   11/2/2010 at 20:32 (3,266 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        
Here is a full-on

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Shot of the PN2 with pigtail.

Post# 113299 , Reply# 3   11/2/2010 at 20:37 (3,266 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        
There Also Seems to Be

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A missing link. They went right from the PN2 to the PN4 that I got with my Super J. What's with that. Can anyone fill us in on the history of Lux during this period. I was talking with Charlie tonight and he really isn't aware of the "lower" Luxes, especially the L which ran for years and resembled the E, F and a bit of the G. It came in many colors and came with each of the power nozzles of the time. But hooked up with a pigtail, unlike its more expensive sister, the G, 1205 and Js. Anyone know the chronology? Here's my favorite, the aqua L. I love that you can still mix and match and get the hoses, bags, etc.

Post# 113300 , Reply# 4   11/2/2010 at 20:38 (3,266 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        
BTW

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Here is one of my PN4s. They work with all the machines and are great cleaners.

Post# 113302 , Reply# 5   11/2/2010 at 20:51 (3,266 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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My 1505 is a 4A, newer I know.

Post# 113331 , Reply# 6   11/3/2010 at 00:07 (3,266 days old) by mercuryman ()        
Power Nozzles!

Fred, I also have a PN-2 with a blue sheath and pigtail connector. I haven't yet posted a photo of it because I haven't polished it up as of yet.

From my understanding, this is the progression of the Lux PNs from the earliest up until the Golden J...by 1975, PNs were "de rigueur" with a vacuum cleaner purchase due to the era of the "shag carpet":

1959: The upper-tier Model AF and lower-tier Model R were offered with a PN plug-in port. The matching PN-1 was offered in white with gray bumper to match the AF and the R. This was the first PN Electrolux offered. Connection from vacuum to PN was achieved through a wire which was "zip clipped" to the vacuum hose.

1960: The upper-tier, aqua-colored Model G was introduced, whilst the lower-tier Model R was continued in its original colors. The PN-1 was offered with the G in the same body color as it was with the AF, but the rubber bumper was aqua.

1963: The Model R was discontinued, with the Model L replacing it. Model L was white with aqua rubber bumpers, which matched the bumper on the PN-1 sold with the aqua G. The aqua Model G would run until 1967. PNs did not change from '63 until '67.

1967: Model G was offered in bronze, as was the Model L. PN-1 remained the same, yet the only difference was the changing of the bumper color to match its concurrently offered machines.

Up to this point, it seems that Electrolux knew that it would have a bit of difficulty selling its "newfangled" power nozzle to people...therefore, they made it so that any machine they sold between '59 and '68 could accommodate the same PN, and in a color that would match by merely changing the rubber bumper.

When the 1205 was introduced with the '68 Model L, it's obvious that they threw that idea to the wayside! It was then that Sara Lee had bought out Electrolux. The PN-1 had a blue body with blue sheath, to match the new 1205 and the blue L.

As for the PN-2, I guess it was introduced around 1972. My 1974 Model L was purchased with a PN-2 with pigtail connector. However, I know that the Golden J was sold with a PN-4...and it was a direct-connect hose. But I do contend that my mom's '77 Super J had a PN-2...which was really a PN-4...the only difference being the sheath color.


Post# 113335 , Reply# 7   11/3/2010 at 01:40 (3,266 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        



Just one correction to the above ... The motor housing for the very first PN1 was gray, not white.

The earliest-earliest version did not have the hose-locking spring and I believe the sheath was gray as well.

I have the next version with a white wand sheath and hose lock.

Both versions had a long, continuous power cord that connected to the motor and then was attached onto the hose with plastic clips (as was the case for the earliest Model G PN1).

See link.


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Post# 113369 , Reply# 8   11/3/2010 at 09:47 (3,266 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        

Not to seem timid or anything, but can this thread include Canadian Electrolux power nozzles (which are by and large the same as or quite similar to the American versions)?

Post# 113390 , Reply# 9   11/3/2010 at 16:25 (3,266 days old) by kirbyduh (Louisville, Kentucky)        
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link here... I also posted it on the first PN1 thread.

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Post# 113396 , Reply# 10   11/3/2010 at 17:23 (3,266 days old) by Crevicetool (GA )        

So, the PN1 in various forms and colors is the plastic one right?

The PN2 is the cast aluminium with the inlet swivel situated within the housing.

The PN3 doesn't exist?

The PN4 is almost identical to the PN2 except the wheels/inlet connector have been moved behind the casting to facilitate the wands being able to remain in an upright position when parked.

The PN4 was used at least through the Olympia one when at some point they leveled part of the casting (I think I've seen these) not used to house the motor.

What model did the PN5 come with and what did it look like?


Post# 113399 , Reply# 11   11/3/2010 at 17:37 (3,265 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Was the five the offset wide sucker? This is very interesting.

Post# 113402 , Reply# 12   11/3/2010 at 18:10 (3,265 days old) by compactelectra (Rancho Mirage, CA - New home of the Obamas)        
Sireluxomatic

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By all means include the Canadian power nozzles. They are very interesting and close cousins to their American counterparts. And, as I understand it, the Canadians did have a PN3.

Fred


Post# 113413 , Reply# 13   11/3/2010 at 20:25 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        

I'll try to get some pictures of the various PNs I have done tomorrow; have just cleaned and reorganized the vac storage room, so the time is ripe to break out the camera.

Post# 113421 , Reply# 14   11/3/2010 at 21:52 (3,265 days old) by Elux89 ()        
Canadian Lux PN'S

PN 2 I believe the PN 2's were used on our AP 100, 200, 280 series canisters. It had a few mods compared to the US. The Canadian version lid actually went over top of the power cord, you could not remove the power cord without first taking the lid off. The other difference from the models I've seen was that at the front base plate, there were four triangular shaped vents to allow more airflow at the floor.

PN 3 The only pn 3 I've seen is the green one that was on the Z89 that had the adjustable roller brush height.

PN 4 Both Canada and the US. However, the PN 4 on the Canadian E2000 did not come with a circuit breaker.

PN4 Canada and US. First versions did not have the eight slits in the front rubber bumper. I posted a question asking why the slits were put in a while ago, but no one responded.

Doug would be able to advise on the Canadian versions much better than myself.


Post# 113433 , Reply# 15   11/3/2010 at 23:31 (3,265 days old) by djkain2007 ()        

I need another lux pn.....

Post# 113452 , Reply# 16   11/4/2010 at 10:19 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
PN Piccies

Figured I'd bust out the camera today and take some pictures of the older power nozzles I have. First up, my PN I. Other than the inevitable cracks in the wand, this is in very good shape, although I do handle it like eggs.

BTW, I like the simple "Electrolux" better than the "Electrolux Power Nozzle" logo.


Post# 113453 , Reply# 17   11/4/2010 at 10:21 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
PN I

Bottom, also in good condition

Post# 113454 , Reply# 18   11/4/2010 at 10:24 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Beige PN I + PN II

This is the PN I with the blue elbow and cord. The PN II came with my Golden Jubilee, although its missing the decal. I'd have to say the PN II does the best cleaning job out of any of the power nozzles I have.

Post# 113455 , Reply# 19   11/4/2010 at 10:31 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Canadian PNs

The Holy Grail items for me are the cream and red PN I with the long wand, and the detachable cream and red PN I with the red electric telescopic wand that were offered with the red and white 80 series machines. If I could find those, I'd almost consider my collection complete.

Anyway, here are the three power nozzles that came out with the 87 and 89...the PN II (back), PN III (left), and PN IV (right), with the telescopic wand. The only difference I can see between the light green PN II and the U.S. PN I is the elbow...the Canadian one has a push button latch instead of the friction ring.


Post# 113456 , Reply# 20   11/4/2010 at 10:34 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
More Canadian PNs

Bottoms. The PN III and IV have plastic brush rolls.

Post# 113457 , Reply# 21   11/4/2010 at 10:36 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Some differences between the PN III and IV

Here's a closeup of the PN III brush adjustment button. Mine is completely stuck, and I might get around one of these days to opening it up and fixing it. The PN IV got rid of this adjustment.

Post# 113458 , Reply# 22   11/4/2010 at 10:38 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
More differences

The PN IV has two screws in the bottom plate; the PN III doesn't.

Post# 113459 , Reply# 23   11/4/2010 at 10:43 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Still more differences

The PN III doesn't have any cooling vents on the side, whereas the PN IV does.

I have no clue as to the production dates for the PN II, III, and IV. My PN III has a serial number beginning with 0, indicating it was made in 1970, and the PN IV has a serial number beginning with 3, indicating 1973. Beyond that, I'm not sure of the dates of production.


Post# 113460 , Reply# 24   11/4/2010 at 10:50 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Later PNs

There was a PN V offered with the early AP 100 which was, I think, identical to the PN IV except for color.

Here are the three AP series power nozzles I have...PN 100 (back), PN 200 (left) and PN 280 (right). These are identical to the U.S. PN II except for the color-matched finish, logo strip, and, as Vernon pointed out, the top has to come off before the cord can be removed. Why they did this I'll never know...its a fiddly process to get the cord plugged in properly while trying to put the cover on.

These are noticeably quieter than the PN II, even though they (presumably) share the same motor. They have sound dampening insulation around the motor.


Post# 113462 , Reply# 25   11/4/2010 at 10:57 (3,265 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Bottoms

Again, these are pretty much identical to the PN II, except there's no information on the metal brush roll plate. Actually, the PN 280 on the right has the bottom of a PN II...presumably, it should be either chocolate brown or white. All of these connected to the familiar sheath, either with a latch, or the friction ring.

Excuse the wall in the background; it had to be torn out to get at the water main valve, and its still in the process of being replaced.


Post# 113529 , Reply# 26   11/4/2010 at 21:44 (3,264 days old) by mercuryman ()        
Nice!

The Canadian PNs are quite nice. I like the fact that even though they're different from the American PNs, they're unmistakably Electrolux products.

Bob, with regard to your PN-1...have you found that the plastic housing/sheath has become more brittle over time? I did notice a tiny hairline crack at the very top of the sheath on mine, where the power cord goes into the wand. I'm thinking about attempting to Krazy Glue it, just to prevent it from getting worse.


Post# 113531 , Reply# 27   11/4/2010 at 22:00 (3,264 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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So do the Canadian and U.S. power nozzles use the same brush rolls and motors?

Post# 113533 , Reply# 28   11/4/2010 at 22:19 (3,264 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Brittle-brattle

Yes indeed, Brian, I do find the whole PN I very fragile. Its a pity, because its arguably the nicest looking power nozzle Electrolux made. I'd say a small amount of glue wouldn't hurt.

I know nothing about the aging effect on various materials, but considering these power nozzles are between 40-50 years old, they must be considerably weakened by now.

I'm not sure how effective this is, but every so often I give all the plastic and rubber parts of my collection an Armor-All treatment. At least it keeps them shiny.


Post# 113537 , Reply# 29   11/4/2010 at 22:25 (3,264 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Brush rolls and motors

The Canadian PN I and PN II were imported from the States (only the colors were different), so the brushes and motors would be the same.

The PNs 100, 200, and 280 were made in Canada, but I assume they shared the brush roll and motor of the U.S. PN II.

The PN III and IV were totally Canadian in design.

(If anyone out there can correct me in these details, please do; I'm far from an expert)


Post# 113554 , Reply# 30   11/5/2010 at 01:53 (3,264 days old) by mercuryman ()        
And While We're Discussing Power Nozzles in Such Depth..

Is there any way to adjust the height of the brushroll in a PN-2? I've noticed that the PN-1 is actually better at "sweeping" up debris on my low-pile carpets than the PN-2 is.

I am considering just replacing the brush roll in the PN-2...although the bristles don't look mangled, they appear a little shorter in length than on the PN-1, and I assume it's due to wear.



Post# 113572 , Reply# 31   11/5/2010 at 09:37 (3,264 days old) by Elux89 ()        
adjusting PN 2 brushroll height.

Mercuryman

To adjust the brush height to compensate for wear, the sleeve bearing ends can be rotated. It you look at the bearing end, as you rotate the bearing, you will see a flat piece on the frame, if it's still the oem bearing, it will probably say used, this should be facing towards the lid. By having it facing towards the lid, the brushes will be lower to the floor.


Post# 113605 , Reply# 32   11/5/2010 at 17:28 (3,264 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Ok - here goes:

Canadian Power Nozzles

The red and cream Pn 1 was brought out around 1963 to match the 86/88. The same as its US counterpart it had the one piece plastic wand and a separate cord for the hose.

Around 1966/67 it was changed to the short red elbow and a telescopic wand but the cord was still clipped to the outside of the wand.

In 1967 the model PN II was introduced (lime green / dk green bumper) to match the models 87/89. It also had the telescopic wand but this wand had the power cord built in. At this time red and cream PN I's were still being produced to retrofit the old machines but now with the electric telescopic wand.

Around 1969/70 the first wholly Canadian design PN III (Lime green with dk green bumper)came out. The cord now came out of the elbow and the new roller bearing brush could be adjusted down as it wore. They were short lived, however, as the contacts in the elbow gave alot of problems and the roller bearing brush was extremely noisy. As well the brush adjustment gave alot of problems and the method of attaching the top cover (3 rivits) proved impractical for repairs.

By 1971 the PN IV had been introduced (dark green with lime bumper). The problems of the previous model were solved by using a direct connect cord (still in the elbow) and a brass bushing brush similar to those used on the PN 1 or later models) as well as removing the brush adjustment. As noted the hood was now kept on by screw rather than rivits.

In 1973 the AP100 was introduced with the PN V which was basically the same Power Head as the PN IV just in tan instead of green. This was also the last use of the telescopic wands in Canada

In 1974 Electrolux brought in PN 2's and solid wands from the US and added a tan cover to match the AP100 as an experiment to see if they would go over well here. Stickers were placed over the PN2 number renaming them the PN 100. These still had the dark blue base however. They went over well so Electrolux Canada began producing them with only minor changes - the biggest one being a change in the moulding of the hood to make the cord non removable as it had a tendancy to come off on the PN2's (Incidentally the 3 prong style plug on the PN2 was made so the cord could easily be changed to the 3 prong cord used for the commercial model CB)

The PN200 and PN280 were just colour changes of the PN100 to match the AP200 (1976) and AP280 (1978)

In 1982 the E2000 came out with the PN2000 which is a Canadianized version of the US PN4. The only differences are the almond and tan colour and the elbow which used a button clip that was unique to that model.

In 1985 The Jadestone model 2100 came out with the PN5 (light grey with jadestone bumper). It featured the new L shaped body and a removable cord as well as actual bearings on the brush instead of bushings.

It was replaced in 1986 by the PN6 (Jadestone with light grey bumper) which now had a non removable cord and a better holder system for the brush bearings. The PN 6 would continue with both the system 90 (Grey with Taupe bumper) and the special edition (grey with wine bumper) models till 1989 at which time the Canadian factory was closed, production was moved to the US and quality fell drastically.


Post# 113620 , Reply# 33   11/5/2010 at 19:43 (3,263 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        

Thanks a ton for all that info, Doug. Its good to have those exact dates.

Post# 113709 , Reply# 34   11/6/2010 at 18:39 (3,262 days old) by 1926700 ()        
hey...

the model l manual from 1962 featuring the new power nozzel....

page 1


Post# 113710 , Reply# 35   11/6/2010 at 18:40 (3,262 days old) by 1926700 ()        
page 8

the new power nozzel

Post# 113713 , Reply# 36   11/6/2010 at 18:42 (3,262 days old) by 1926700 ()        
and..

the accessory page

Post# 113718 , Reply# 37   11/6/2010 at 18:47 (3,262 days old) by 1926700 ()        
now...

the receipt.....this came from Phillip Mullers grandmother L that she bought new in 1962 as the paperwork states....she supposedly traded a model 30 in for her new machine..and the manual scans are from the original manual from that very machne

Post# 114026 , Reply# 38   11/8/2010 at 12:53 (3,261 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Thanks

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Thanks Jason,

I'm a sucker for manuals/ads.


Post# 114106 , Reply# 39   11/8/2010 at 22:22 (3,260 days old) by mercuryman ()        
Wow!

$148.00 for a brand new Model L with a matching Power Nozzle? Sign me up!




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