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Post# 109117   9/23/2010 at 18:45 (3,312 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        

Greetings from San Clemente, California -- photos & commentary to come.

I talked to my mom today and she said the guy at the local vac shop got the Model L carbon brushes (thanks again!) and put them in, but the motor is dead. I can't imagine what happened to it but he said it's "totally dead."

So....... anyone out there have a complete Model L motor that they don't want an arm and a leg for? Not that it matters, but my mom's model is the turquoise one.


Post# 109119 , Reply# 1   9/23/2010 at 19:11 (3,312 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

Wish I had a spare model L to help you out. Just out of curiosity, wouldn't she prefer to upgrade to something more powerful, like a Super J or a Silverado?

- Karl

Post# 109123 , Reply# 2   9/23/2010 at 19:33 (3,312 days old) by vacman117 (Valparaiso, IN)        

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Is it possible that this person could be trying to get you to buy a new motor from him just for the money? I know vac shops that say the motor is dead when the cord simply bad. Just a thought.

Post# 109126 , Reply# 3   9/23/2010 at 21:52 (3,312 days old) by mercuryman ()        
Hope This Helps:

I found this listing on eBay. I think the seller might be a member of this forum, although I don't know his/her handle on here.

I find it strange that the vac repairman is saying that the motor is "dead". If the motor had visible damage caused by, say, overheating due to seizure of any moving parts or fan bearings, he'd know it before even attempting to replace the carbon brushes. There would be some indication of something having gone awry...either burn marks or an odor of something having burned. In this case, it seems that he saw nothing else wrong other than the brushes (which, incidentally, neither he nor any of his affiliated stores had in stock).

Furthermore, if the fan bearings aren't seized (if they were, the motor would have "burned up" as I just stated), then the only other thing that could be wrong is that the motor's stator is damaged. The stator is a rotating "spindle" that makes contact with the carbon brushes to power the motor's armature. The armature only creates an electromagnetic field to drive the blower assembly (which creates the cleaner's suction), and it makes no contact with the motor shaft. If the stator was damaged, it would be immediately apparent to the repairman as it would show signs of excessive wear.

The carbon brushes are seated around the stator through spring-tension, and as the brushes wear down, the springs push the brushes forward to maintain contact with the stator. The stator does not wear down. The brushes need to be replaced when they are worn down enough so as to no longer make contact with the stator (thus not completing the electrical circuit to the motor).

The only thing I truly suspect is that the repairman is not reconnecting the wires correctly. If the terminals connecting power to the machine from the power cord to the switch to the motor/PN are not connected to the proper leads, the cleaner will not run. The neutral for the PN and motor are piggy-backed on a siamese connector. This is likely what he could be connecting improperly, thinking it's the hot lead.

Anyway, sorry for babbling...I have a passion for knowing how electrical devices work. Here is the link!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO mercuryman's LINK on eBay

Post# 109130 , Reply# 4   9/23/2010 at 22:46 (3,312 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        

Thanks for all the tips and info. I'm sure the guy is not trying to pull a fast one on my parents. They've known him for years, and when he told them the motor was no good he didn't make any attempt to sell them another motor or, for that fact, another vacuum cleaner.

They wouldn't want a different model, the very thing my mom likes about the Model L is its simplicity and light weight. When I talked to the guy, I explained that and also that the machine has some sentimental value for them and he said he fully understood that, and again, didn't try to pressure me into suggesting they get something new.

Again, thanks everyone.

Post# 109135 , Reply# 5   9/23/2010 at 23:34 (3,312 days old) by kittingerhoover ()        
Shoot me an email...

I sent you an email. I think I might have what you are looking for.


Post# 109137 , Reply# 6   9/24/2010 at 01:27 (3,312 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The "stator" in a motor is actually the feild winding-its on the part of the motor that doesn't turn.It is a coil or coils of wire wound on a laminated iron core that the armature is mounted in-the stator or feild generates the magnetic feild that interacts with the armature magentic feild to make the motor spin.the part on the armature that takes the electricity from the brushes to the armature windings is the "communtator"The communtator rotates in between the brushes.In the case of vacuum cleaner motors-the feild or stator windings are in series with the armature windings-the current flows thru the feild windings before going to the armature windings.Thus both are energized to generate the magnetic feilds to make the motor run.Best way to remember-armature-the part of the motor that turns and rotates the motor load-stator or feild as its name-the part that doesn't turn.

Post# 109138 , Reply# 7   9/24/2010 at 01:47 (3,312 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        

Hi all,

Thanks to the kindness of a fellow collector, I found a Model L motor just for the cost of shipping.

Much obliged,

Post# 109169 , Reply# 8   9/24/2010 at 14:56 (3,311 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)        
Yes I have one

I have one listed in my Ebay store new2youvacuums. This motor was from a gold model L and has new brushes and bearings and runs great. But I am not sure if it only fits in the gold model L.

Richard Groski

Post# 109172 , Reply# 9   9/24/2010 at 16:07 (3,311 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        

Thanks Richard, but I got one already just for the cost of shipping. And the guy who's sending it said it's in perfect condition; he only has it as a spare because he "super-charged" his mom's Model L with a Lux 2100 motor.

(Which, btw, isn't a bad idea!)

Post# 109288 , Reply# 10   9/25/2010 at 20:24 (3,310 days old) by kirbyluxhoover (Pinole, CA)        
Get the parts back

Charles maybe your Mom should get the parts back.

Post# 109299 , Reply# 11   9/25/2010 at 22:04 (3,310 days old) by electrolux~137 ()        

"Get the parts back"

Well, I could, but the point in my taking care of this "behind the scenes" is so my parents won't have to deal with it. They are very elderly now, don't get around too well, and my daddy shouldn't be driving but he does anyway.

Asking them to get the old motor and send it to me would be a big ordeal for them, and what, really, would it accomplish? I'm getting them an as-new motor at no cost, thanks to a fellow collector, so what, really, am I out of pocket even if the guy IS bull$#!tting me, which I am sure he is not?

"Keep It Simple."

Post# 109706 , Reply# 12   9/29/2010 at 10:52 (3,306 days old) by kirbyluxhoover (Pinole, CA)        
I see your point

Charles, I realize now that would be a lot of trouble. I am just glad to hear they will get their machine working again.

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