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An original 1205 electric hose with metal hand-grip & suction relief valve. Integrated blade contacts at the connector end. The first electric hose had an extended pigtail instead of the blades for connection to Model Gs.

Electrolux offered the electric hose with any combination of connection options so that owners of previous machines supplied with, or retrofitted with a PN power socket, could add an older or the new Power nozzle alone. The ultimate brag was to have a brand spankin' new 1205 with the new self-connecting hose and polished aluminum/chrome PN designed for it.
This adaptability is the main reason the hose pigtail seems overly long. It also kept the cord looped away from the freely swiveling hand-grip so as not to entangle Milady's manicured fingers. The plastic hand-grip & redesigned wand with integrated & enshrouded pn connections solved this last inconvenience, although the thicker handle did limit where Milady could comfortably grip the hose to steer the pn over, under, around and between.

Besides having to include freshly engineered electric slip-tings and and contact fingers - to retain the swivel action hose - the new plastic handle shape also introduced an abrupt 45 degree corner into the air path which was great for catching large clogging objects like toy Cowboys, Injuns and Soldiers, toy blocks, teething rings, Crock marbles, escaped hamsters on the loose, wood chips & twigs, pet turtles out for a slow race, and such for easy removal...where the gently curved one-piece metal handle allowed some snarly items to pass into the coiled hose where they could get snagged and a broom handle would have to be engaged to dislodge them.

Electrolux introduced its first power nozzle on the late 1958 Model F and the plug went into an outlet on the side of the front wheel assembly.

It all seems so obvious to our eyes now but at the time it was one clever invention and innovation rapidly superseded by the next great development of that idea...to reliably energize a powernozzle from the vacuum cleaner point of origin rather than a separate long corded plug-in accessory...but with backward compatibility always in mind. Other companies burned the midnight oil coming up with their own variation on the Power Nozzle concept without infringing on Electrolux's patents...with interesting results and some unfortunate incidents. Next out of the gate was Lewyt with their gear driven brushroll powered by 120 VAC through a long cord back to the machine which plugged a regular bladed AC plug into a supplied socket. Their mistake was in getting too clever utilizing low voltage to run their Electronic PN.

As Lewyt's disaster unfolded, no vacuum company wanted to risk ending up with their ass sued into oblivion like Lewyt. Hoover quickly abandoned further development of their 1959/60 electric hose Constellation model 87 under the very real possibility it would be compared unfavorably to the Lewyt Electronic. The next Hoover to feature a handle mounted on/off switch was the early 1970s S3007 Celebrity with the pneumatic pump system running through the hose, gasketed at the vacuum connection, continuing the pneumatic hose into the lower vacuum body, spiraling around the hinge, ending up at a plungered micro-switch in the top lid. Now that's over-the-top engineering. LOL

So who made the first motor-driven Power Nozzle? I nominate the 1935 Air-Way Chief.

just my rambling thoughts. Any errors are entirely my own speculations.
Dave

This is my ugly old couch's scratchy polyester upholstery fabric - I found a dated "Kroehler Manufacturing Co. Limited, Stratford Ontario" label under the cushions for 1969. It was gently used when I got it and it was the sheer length and low height that made me have to have it. Certainly not the colour. UGLY! No wonder I made a white canvas cover for the whole thing when I moved into the house in 1986.


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Post# 98805 5/22/2010 at 01:50 (5,085 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes Okay, I got my first Electrolux. I don't know anything about them, so I have a few questions. The machine I got is a Model 1205. This came to me as a basic cannister, a power nozzle, and no hose or any other accessories. I'm going to be looking for a hose, but don't know for sure what the proper hose for this might be. Picture of machine:

Post# 98806 , Reply# 1 5/22/2010 at 01:53 (5,085 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes So, the power nozzle is wired up with a cord, but I don't see a socket on the cannister to receive a cord that must be on the missing hose. In looking at the orafice for the hose hub that connects to the machine, it looks like there are to electrical contacts inside the rim of the orafice -- is it correct to assume that the matching contacts on the hose are built into the hub and no loose wire needs to be connected? Picture of nose of cannister where hose connects:

Post# 98807 , Reply# 2 5/22/2010 at 01:54 (5,085 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes Next, the power nozzle. Note the approximate 12 to 14 inches of cord extending beyond the inlet tube -- am I missing a short length of tube, or does the outlet end of the hose connect onto what I've got?

Post# 98808 , Reply# 3 5/22/2010 at 01:56 (5,085 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes Last, this is a closer pic of the wiring pig tail on the inlet end of the power nozzle tube. Is it going to be difficult to find the proper hose for this Model 1205 machine? Any special words I should use when asking or to look for? Thanks for any help you can give me on this one.

Post# 98827 , Reply# 4 5/22/2010 at 09:16 (5,084 days old) by ge1969 (Jefferson, GA)
Checkrate/Likes Hi! You have the exact 1205 that my Mom had when I was growing up. Just ask for a hose for an Electrolux Silverado, Golden J., Super J, etc. and you'll be fine. The machine end of the hose does indeed have contacts that fit into the slots you show on the vacuum, and the pistol grip of the hose will have a socket to plug that pigtail wire from the power nozzle into, which is all original, I might add. Best of luck, Trg

Post# 98828 , Reply# 5 5/22/2010 at 09:23 (5,084 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)
Checkrate/Likes *Get your hose from* Get your hose from hesco.their prices are very good for vacuum parts.

Post# 98835 , Reply# 6 5/22/2010 at 11:30 (5,084 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes One of these days, I'd like to get a 1205. But it seems like every one I find is in really bad shape cosmetically. Every Lux that I own came to me in very good shape. Most were used quite heavily too. But for some reason, the 1205 is the one model that just didn't seem to age well. Also, here's a link for the kind of hose you can purchase. CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekastar's LINK on eBay

Post# 98837 , Reply# 7 5/22/2010 at 11:47 (5,084 days old) by electrolux~137 ()
Checkrate/Likes I have a 1205 that's an interesting cross-over model. It has a plug-in port for the pigtail hose AND the direct-connect contacts in the suction opening. It was given to me by the pastor's wife at my former church. It was the machine she had grown up with as a child, and she had kept it after her mother passed away. It had the later direct-connect hose. The machine was kept in very lovely condition, and I still have it. I have another 1205, the earlier model with the pigtail connector and the (problematic) telescoping power nozzle wand that was only used here in the U.S. very briefly. Most of them quickly got broken because the locking pin was flimsy and they wouldn't stay "telescoped" (maybe a dose of viagra would have helped heheh), but this one fortunately is intact.

Post# 98841 , Reply# 8 5/22/2010 at 12:13 (5,084 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)
Checkrate/Likes *You Can Still Get The Hoses* For these machines from Aerus - successor to Electrolux. I have even been able to get these hoses with the machine end pigtail for the G and earlier machines. Very good quality, but not cheap. The last one I purchased was about $90. But as I said, excellent quality and the real lux pistol grip. Here is a nice assortment and price range. And a real Lux hose with my 1205. For some reason, while I find the machine beautiful, I don't find the performance that good since I compare it with the Super J I bought new which had a larger motor. CLICK HERE TO GO TO compactelectra's LINK

Post# 99143 , Reply# 22 5/26/2010 at 00:52 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()
Checkrate/Likes Hospital G, later-style PN port and bronze/white color scheme

Post# 98868 , Reply# 9 5/22/2010 at 19:14 (5,084 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)
Checkrate/Likes *easy to rebuild* I like these because the motors are so easy to rebuild,the bearings and brushes are still available and they are easy to disassemble.

Post# 98869 , Reply# 10 5/22/2010 at 19:19 (5,084 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)
Checkrate/Likes *one more thing* I find the front caster wheel is most likely worn on these metal body Electrolux's but you can buy the same size caster at home depot. makes a big difference on how the machine moves.

Post# 98873 , Reply# 11 5/22/2010 at 20:16 (5,084 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)
Checkrate/Likes *I Was Lucky Enough* To Find a PN2 brand-new! Here she is next to the PN2 that came with the 1205. How often do you find a brand new Lux power nozzle? This was Electrolux at it's best - after the G.

Post# 98874 , Reply# 12 5/22/2010 at 20:17 (5,084 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)
Checkrate/Likes *Another* The new PN2 underside next to another.

Post# 98875 , Reply# 13 5/22/2010 at 20:19 (5,084 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)
Checkrate/Likes *One Last One* Makes me want to get out the 1205 and use it!

Post# 98896 , Reply# 14 5/22/2010 at 23:54 (5,084 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes Many thanks for the info.

Post# 99066 , Reply# 15 5/25/2010 at 10:38 (5,081 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Gary: Just to explain the handgrip. The original power hose for that 1205 has a metal handgrip thats basically the same as what you see on all the earlier, non power, hoses. The electrical connection was at the place where the hose met the hangrip hence the length of cord at the end of the wand. The plastic style handgrip shown in the pictures above was made to go with the wands that have the cord end flush with the top of the wand to mate directly into the handgrip. Doug

Post# 99109 , Reply# 16 5/25/2010 at 19:44 (5,081 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)
Checkrate/Likes *To illustrate Doug's explanation.* An original 1205 electric hose with metal hand-grip & suction relief valve. Integrated blade contacts at the connector end. The first electric hose had an extended pigtail instead of the blades for connection to Model Gs. Electrolux offered the electric hose with any combination of connection options so that owners of previous machines supplied with, or retrofitted with a PN power socket, could add an older or the new Power nozzle alone. The ultimate brag was to have a brand spankin' new 1205 with the new self-connecting hose and polished aluminum/chrome PN designed for it. This adaptability is the main reason the hose pigtail seems overly long. It also kept the cord looped away from the freely swiveling hand-grip so as not to entangle Milady's manicured fingers. The plastic hand-grip & redesigned wand with integrated & enshrouded pn connections solved this last inconvenience, although the thicker handle did limit where Milady could comfortably grip the hose to steer the pn over, under, around and between. Besides having to include freshly engineered electric slip-tings and and contact fingers - to retain the swivel action hose - the new plastic handle shape also introduced an abrupt 45 degree corner into the air path which was great for catching large clogging objects like toy Cowboys, Injuns and Soldiers, toy blocks, teething rings, Crock marbles, escaped hamsters on the loose, wood chips & twigs, pet turtles out for a slow race, and such for easy removal...where the gently curved one-piece metal handle allowed some snarly items to pass into the coiled hose where they could get snagged and a broom handle would have to be engaged to dislodge them. Electrolux introduced its first power nozzle on the late 1958 Model F and the plug went into an outlet on the side of the front wheel assembly. It all seems so obvious to our eyes now but at the time it was one clever invention and innovation rapidly superseded by the next great development of that idea...to reliably energize a powernozzle from the vacuum cleaner point of origin rather than a separate long corded plug-in accessory...but with backward compatibility always in mind. Other companies burned the midnight oil coming up with their own variation on the Power Nozzle concept without infringing on Electrolux's patents...with interesting results and some unfortunate incidents. Next out of the gate was Lewyt with their gear driven brushroll powered by 120 VAC through a long cord back to the machine which plugged a regular bladed AC plug into a supplied socket. Their mistake was in getting too clever utilizing low voltage to run their Electronic PN. As Lewyt's disaster unfolded, no vacuum company wanted to risk ending up with their ass sued into oblivion like Lewyt. Hoover quickly abandoned further development of their 1959/60 electric hose Constellation model 87 under the very real possibility it would be compared unfavorably to the Lewyt Electronic. The next Hoover to feature a handle mounted on/off switch was the early 1970s S3007 Celebrity with the pneumatic pump system running through the hose, gasketed at the vacuum connection, continuing the pneumatic hose into the lower vacuum body, spiraling around the hinge, ending up at a plungered micro-switch in the top lid. Now that's over-the-top engineering. LOL So who made the first motor-driven Power Nozzle? I nominate the 1935 Air-Way Chief. just my rambling thoughts. Any errors are entirely my own speculations. Dave This is my ugly old couch's scratchy polyester upholstery fabric - I found a dated "Kroehler Manufacturing Co. Limited, Stratford Ontario" label under the cushions for 1969. It was gently used when I got it and it was the sheer length and low height that made me have to have it. Certainly not the colour. UGLY! No wonder I made a white canvas cover for the whole thing when I moved into the house in 1986.

Post# 99136 , Reply# 17 5/26/2010 at 00:07 (5,081 days old) by briankirbyclass (Eudora Kansas)
Checkrate/Likes I always thought those PN sockets on those 1205 hoses were so cool because you could plug the PN into either side! And the special angle of the plug was cool too. Good ol Electrolux engineering! An Aunt had a 1205 with this same hose and PN,,and was using it one day in the late 1970s, with the PN attached when all of a sudden sparks came flying out of the hose,,just a little ways down from the handle. Sure enough there was a little black burned spot on the hose, about the size of a pencil eraser. She called the Electrolux man, and he sold her a new Golden J/Super J hose. The blue 1205 and PN1 sure looked silly with that golden hose, but worked fine after that. I tried using the old original blue hose one time after that, just to see if i could get sparks to fly, or what would happen. When i turned the vacuum on the PN did work,,and sparks did not fly out of the little hole, but after a few min there was a terrible burning smell. So, i took the hose off once and for all and threw it away.

Post# 99139 , Reply# 18 5/26/2010 at 00:43 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()
Checkrate/Likes Electrolux introduced its first power nozzle on the late 1958 Model F and the plug went into an outlet on the side of the front wheel assembly. Actually, the PN port for the Model F was in the chrome trim piece that ran along the top of the cleaner housing. Then with the first G, the port was inset into the lower-center area of the front cover, which proved to be problematic. It was then moved to a little rectangular box along side the front wheel and stayed at that location for the rest of the Model Gs. Curiously, when Electrolux factory-rebuilt Model Gs, they moved the PN port up to the top chrome trim as it was with the F. My only guess is that they figured out it was easier to plug and unplug it there than down at the bottom-side area.

Post# 99140 , Reply# 19 5/26/2010 at 00:46 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()
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Post# 99141 , Reply# 20 5/26/2010 at 00:47 (5,081 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds WA)
Checkrate/Likes Okay, that last picture sure shows the overly-long cord. Thanks to several of you for the additional information, it all helps. I've been looking at the Hesco website as suggested by a poster above, and they look like the way to go. The new hose won't be fabric but at least it will be functional. I've noticed since that one of my rear wheels on this machine has a wobble to it, so I'll get one of those as well.

Post# 99142 , Reply# 21 5/26/2010 at 00:48 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()
Checkrate/Likes OTOH, the Model R, an economy model, did have the PN port down by the front wheels -- a pair of small casters.