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Post# 84249   11/18/2009 at 17:29 (5,244 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Who else thinks Oreck is dyeing?

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Post# 84251 , Reply# 1   11/18/2009 at 17:57 (5,244 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

I wouldn't say dying. Would YOU say that about Kirby just because they're coming out with a completely new model? No, the brainchild behind the Platinum Pilot is to compete with the Dyson Ball. They're simply changing for the times. It provides a viable alternative that has a longer warranty, free service agreement, and IMHO as long as it's still manufactured here in the U.S. is a better quality machine overall.

Post# 84252 , Reply# 2   11/18/2009 at 17:59 (5,244 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'Who else thinks Oreck is dyeing?'

Quite right! How DARE they innovate?! How DARE they try and offer consumers a better product!? First Kirby, now Oreck?! At this rate we'll never stay in the dark-ages!

Damn that positive correlation between linear time and the march of progress! I want to sweep my cave with a bunch of twigs!


Post# 84253 , Reply# 3   11/18/2009 at 18:01 (5,244 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Why would you think they were dying....

Not at all, I think they have made a huge improvement to an all ready great machine.

Once you have used the Oreck, you will know that it is not all that bad...I love mine.

Morgan


Post# 84255 , Reply# 4   11/18/2009 at 18:15 (5,244 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

Now if they'd only add a slightly bigger motor, bigger fan, and a bigger fill tube, we'd be in business.

~Alex


Post# 84257 , Reply# 5   11/18/2009 at 18:48 (5,244 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
In my HONEST opinion...

I think it is genius! It seems well thought out and useful! Good job Oreck! :D You're steping up your game, and that machine is the same as an XL21 and i love mine.

Post# 84258 , Reply# 6   11/18/2009 at 19:03 (5,244 days old) by lux1521 ()        

If you thought that was bad, check out this!!!

Really, I don't see any problem with the modification of the classic Oreck, although I would not recommend buying the first ones on the market. For people wanting a more traditional Oreck, there is always the commercial line. Same for Hoover and Eureka.


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Post# 84260 , Reply# 7   11/18/2009 at 19:08 (5,244 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I think is is bad news because it proves that they are not doing well! Also, I hate it when companies change their best product! Why would they go from a 21 year warranty to a 10? I'm not liking it. What next, a Kenmore branded Dyson, Kirby selling vacuums at Target?

Post# 84262 , Reply# 8   11/18/2009 at 19:45 (5,244 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

If they were not doing well, then how were they able to afford the cost of the plastic, molds, etc of these new swivel joints? I'm sure they'll be keeping the traditional upright. As for the warranty, it's far from free. When a customer would buy a new XL21 upright, they not only pay for the high mark up price but the cost of all of the tune ups and replacement parts are included in that price. I wouldn't think an Oreck costs more than $100 to build, and that estimate is very generous.

~Alex


Post# 84263 , Reply# 9   11/18/2009 at 20:02 (5,244 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

In 1908, Hoover's best product was the Model 0. If they hadn't changed that, they wouldn't have lasted very long!

Post# 84267 , Reply# 10   11/18/2009 at 21:03 (5,244 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Yes, that is true. But i'm very happy with my 2004 XL Classic, and I don't think a two speed motor or a swiveling head will really want be to trade my Classic in for that.

What I mean mean by them not doing well is that if they need change a product line 2 times within one year (which is rare for Oreck) that means that, in this case Dyson, is steeling their customers or taking their market-share. I just hope they won't come out with a bagless vacuum. :)


Post# 84269 , Reply# 11   11/18/2009 at 21:24 (5,244 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
I'd like to try one out.

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Well, it's no slimline sleek beauty like the Miele S7 (which has one major flaw in the hose department) but other than that I like it. Oreck designs their vacuums for hotels, motels, casinos and Monster Homes with acres of carpet and hard floor. Flashy massive SUV/truck looks in the front end with massive new blue headlights, Raptor Claw handle for big hands (doubles as a wreckingbar)and easily accessible large capacity bag in the back - it's the Hummer of American Vacuums. And that ain't at all a bad thing. And I like the soothing color combo and 'airwave' graphics on the actual cloth bag.

Dave


Post# 84271 , Reply# 12   11/18/2009 at 22:03 (5,244 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

I like the new colors and design of the machine, almost tempted to buy one, but I'm not sure yet! We'll see how well this swivel joint holds up, it might be very problematic.

~Alex


Post# 84274 , Reply# 13   11/18/2009 at 23:11 (5,244 days old) by luxg ()        

So has anyone else seen the Ad on TV for the new Oreck steamer mop? Really looks neat. I too really like the Oreck. They may not be a deep cleaner but they do the job for the average person. They are over priced but then so are a lot of things.

Terry


Post# 84278 , Reply# 14   11/19/2009 at 03:12 (5,243 days old) by joe22 ()        

improvements to a product are always good if they are useful. i do think it is funny some of the commercial vacs are eurekas.

Post# 84287 , Reply# 15   11/19/2009 at 08:50 (5,243 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        

I personally have always loved Oreck, the commercial line has actually been in production for years, and years, I first discovered them in 2004 my Home Depot store used one. I visited my Oreck store here in Des Moines last night and the owner told me that his sales have actually been up, even with the introduction of Oreck into the main stream market (Target), He said that they have had a huge influx of people wanting to go to a bagged vacuum.

Post# 84292 , Reply# 16   11/19/2009 at 10:13 (5,243 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Is Oreck dying?

For $599.99--It's dead to me.


Post# 84295 , Reply# 17   11/19/2009 at 13:34 (5,243 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I would suggest an Oreck to anyone with low-pile carpet. When my grandparents needed a new one, they asked me about the Oreck, but I told them that the belts would burn out REALLY quickly on their shag carpet. Now they have a Hoover Convertible. But it's sad Oreck has to compete like that.

In other news, TTI once again clones a Hoover as Dirtdevil: Introducing the Dirtdevil Vision Cylonic. (AKA, the Hoover T Series)


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Post# 84296 , Reply# 18   11/19/2009 at 14:35 (5,243 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
oreck is now more crazy

Hey that looks good to me. I have the Oreck Platinum upright and I love the machine. I have had Orecks that I really didn't like but this one really works good and so quiet and easy to use and store. Oreck service was excellent when I took it in to the shop last week.
I NEVER thought I would say I liked an Oreck but the Platinum set is great. Much greater air-flow with the canister too.


Post# 84299 , Reply# 19   11/19/2009 at 14:59 (5,243 days old) by rickenbacker ()        

I think orecks are quite cool, no matter how many flaws I heard about. If they realy wanna improve then it would be good to make a metal one with a better motor but with all of the features of the new vac. then I think it would be closer to being worth the money.

I have a felling that kirby will probabley make a cyclonic vacuum one day but its like ive allways said, its not "truly" cyclonic unless its a dyson or something of a drasticaly similar design, other wise its just forcing air through a filter unil it cloggs up.

Charlie


Post# 84307 , Reply# 20   11/19/2009 at 17:10 (5,243 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

"I don't think a two speed motor or a swiveling head will really want be to trade my Classic in for that."

Well, Nathaniel, then you're really missing out. If you've never tried the Platinum, or it's predecessor, the XL-21, I urge you to do so. It's completely redesigned from the classic line, has better filtration and churns out 33% more suction. The roller brush actually guides the vacuum cleaner forward. To me, adding a swivel coupler is only an improvement on an already fantastic machine.


Post# 84310 , Reply# 21   11/19/2009 at 17:22 (5,243 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
I'm with Karl

Morgan was so kind to let me use his at the '08 convention and i was hooked. I think i got one like a month after, or something like that. Its an amazing machine. Nothing like a classic Oreck. At first i didnt even think it was made by Oreck, but it sure is. I have pics of it and my little Oreck XL4000 (made by whirlpool of course) but you can tell the difference. The innovation over the years is quite remarkable and his attention to usability has come far. The XL4000 is a short, loud, grumbly little thing which i am sure to some was amazing at the time. Now you see the new XL21 and platinum and you dont even think it would have the same name on it. But i must say, you're missing out by having a Classic..try an XL21 and BUY one, you will no be dissapointed. You can get them on ebay for a mere $200 roughly, even less if you're willing to buy one that just needs a belt, or something just cheap like that. Please keep an open mind. Vintage sweeping is getting outdated (no pun intended, lol) come to the new age of Oreck and Dyson. Vintage is for collecing, and the new stuff is still enjoyable too. Just try before you judge ;)

Kyle


Post# 84320 , Reply# 22   11/19/2009 at 18:39 (5,243 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

I tried the Oreck Platinum Power Team at the local Oreck store back in September...Very impressive!
$599 sale price
$799 regular price


Post# 84332 , Reply# 23   11/19/2009 at 23:22 (5,243 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Has anybody heard of the GarryVac before?


Post# 84346 , Reply# 24   11/20/2009 at 05:35 (5,242 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Normally I am not a big fan of Oreck vacuums-but the Platinum Pilot sounds like a sweet little machine.Orecks answer to the swivel neck upright vacuum-competition to the Dyson Ball,and Meile S7.At least both Kirby and Oreck are innovating their machines.And for both of them at the present-Oreck and Kirby aren't owned by some Chinese company-their machines are made in USA.Would like to try an Oreck Pilot vacuum.Aren't GarryVacs made in China?

Post# 84351 , Reply# 25   11/20/2009 at 07:46 (5,242 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

I believe that the GarryVac is made in China...I am not sure though.


Post# 84352 , Reply# 26   11/20/2009 at 08:14 (5,242 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
Garry Vac

Garry Vac is made in china and the company is being sued for patent infringements. Oreck has also reduced the price of all of its units by $100 to $300.

Post# 84353 , Reply# 27   11/20/2009 at 08:57 (5,242 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

I had a feeling "Garry" would be a flash in the pan. Guess when the company folds, the lifetime guarantee will be out the window. I sent them an email when I first saw the infomercial, asking them (among other things) where Garry was made and how long they were in business. I never got a reply.

Post# 84355 , Reply# 28   11/20/2009 at 09:44 (5,242 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
then you're really missing out

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I've tried the XL21 before and I loved it. It seemed much lighter than my classic. But I can't afford one right now. The Orecks I like best are the ones with the 2 lights in front from the 90's. They just so cool and the handle with the switch is so comfortable to vacuum with.

With the Gary vac, I've never used one, but when I saw it on TV I knew they would be sued ether for showing and saying the brand names on TV, or their self-selling bag.


Post# 84361 , Reply# 29   11/20/2009 at 12:31 (5,242 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        

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The new Oreck looks cool. I would surmise that it suggests the company is doing well, not dying. Aerus never comes up with anything new; they act like they're dying. Air-Way never came up with anything new and died. Oreck's top-of-the-line machine is really good, and this might make it even more appealing. I have the older XL21 version, and it really is a fantastic vacuum. It picks up a lot of dirt and makes the carpet look great. John Pease has one, too, but there's no dirt in his carpet or anywhere else in the house for it to pick up.

Post# 84397 , Reply# 30   11/20/2009 at 20:47 (5,242 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Has anybody heard about the Shark Navigator before?


Post# 84398 , Reply# 31   11/20/2009 at 21:07 (5,242 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
The shark navigator........

i have been wanting one. They must be pretty user friendly abd clean well because reviews of them on almost ALL websites have 5 stars....

Post# 84436 , Reply# 32   11/21/2009 at 19:25 (5,241 days old) by 1926700 ()        
if you want my opinion......

the only decent oreck that was EVER produced was the CVR4000 , after that style of cleaner went out oreck went out. probably the only thing the oreck has going for it is its one of the last direct air uprights, besides that the fan is to small to create sufficient air-flow , and the brushes on the brush roll are to soft to create any vibration. just thought id put my two cents in, after its only my opinion

Post# 84518 , Reply# 33   11/23/2009 at 02:06 (5,239 days old) by kirbyg4 ()        
maybe crazy maybe not.

i have to agree with some of these folks that say that going with this new design in a sense is good for oreck at capturing the modern market, but in the same sense, oreck was originally and always should be a commercial market, they made the first vacuums for hotels and such and they dominated that market to some degree, so i think in one way orecks new vacuum is for the modern eye a nice approach but in the other as i said before. the new design to me detracts from the true feel of what an oreck really is.

Post# 84520 , Reply# 34   11/23/2009 at 02:56 (5,239 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

"the only decent oreck that was EVER produced was the CVR4000"

Okay, now I have to ask why? What does it have that the later models lacked? I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the CVR and later XL-4000 to putter around with, but it can't hold a candle to the power of the XL-21/Platinum or even the classic line in terms of deep cleaning ability. The motor as well as the fan are much smaller in this model, and sadly, except for the roller brush and belts, everything else for this model (including bags) are NLA. They were actually produced for Oreck by a company called McDonald Electric in West Germany. You can see it briefly at about :10 in the video below. All subsequent Oreck models (up until Oreck started producing them in-house in 1997) would be manufactured by Bissell.


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