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UK Meet 2009 - the vintage machines!
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Post# 79875   9/3/2009 at 16:03 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

First off, the weird and wonderful Hotpoint Swallow!

Very elusive nowadays, we did wonder if this was due to the build-quality; a nice design but not particularly strong in places.

It's almost camoflaged into the stairs here!


Post# 79876 , Reply# 1   9/3/2009 at 16:05 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Alarmingly simple and straight-forward, with practically nothing in the way of styling or decoration - just a badge on the lower part of the bag door bearing the name 'Hotpoint'.

Refreshingly minimalist!


Post# 79877 , Reply# 2   9/3/2009 at 16:07 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Very slimline in profile!

Post# 79878 , Reply# 3   9/3/2009 at 16:09 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

It's a 600w clean-fan design, and interestingly, the detachable plastic fill-tube is actually inserted up inside the bag, before the whole thing is slotted back into the bag compartment!

Post# 79880 , Reply# 4   9/3/2009 at 16:13 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Next up, Mike's Sweeper-Vac duo!

I believe he got the upright Model 22 in America during one of the conventions (perhaps you can share the story here, Mike!), and I bought the hand-held Model 49 on eBay.com. When Mike gave me that magnificent Hoover Model 800 Jubilee bag a few months back, I gave him the Model 49, since it matched his upright!


Post# 79882 , Reply# 5   9/3/2009 at 16:18 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Dramatic carpet's-eye view!

Note the wheels either side of the brush-roll, like the Model O! Sweeper-Vac claimed that lifting the carpet up to the nozzle (as Hoover did, with the front wheels behind the nozzle) was damaging to the carpet. Sweeper-Vac's machines pinned the carpet down on the ground with the wheels, relying on suction and sweeping alone to remove dirt.

Hoover's Agitator/Activator design was around for nearly 70 years - Sweeper-Vac didn't make it much past the 1920s, so I guess we can see who won!


Post# 79883 , Reply# 6   9/3/2009 at 16:18 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I love the 2-tone bag, and the smooth contours of the main casing.

Post# 79884 , Reply# 7   9/3/2009 at 16:19 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Close-up of that badge...

Post# 79885 , Reply# 8   9/3/2009 at 16:20 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

The sweeping (but NOT beating!!) brush...

Post# 79886 , Reply# 9   9/3/2009 at 16:24 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Onto the strange Vorwerk...I think these are such bizarre-looking machines!

Post# 79887 , Reply# 10   9/3/2009 at 16:24 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

In use...quite good suction for a 200w motor!

Post# 79888 , Reply# 11   9/3/2009 at 16:25 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I wouldn't call it 'pretty', but it is oddly charming in its own way!

Post# 79889 , Reply# 12   9/3/2009 at 16:28 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Al's 1969 Miele...

Post# 79890 , Reply# 13   9/3/2009 at 16:32 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Some Electroluxes...don't know much about these!!!

Post# 79891 , Reply# 14   9/3/2009 at 16:33 (5,346 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

...and some more!

Post# 79893 , Reply# 15   9/3/2009 at 17:11 (5,346 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
Wonderful pictures Jack!

I've got to ask though, have you recovered from not being around a Hoover for the entire UK mini-meet?

Rick


Post# 79909 , Reply# 16   9/3/2009 at 18:59 (5,346 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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You took some good pictures there Jack. I've always enjoyed your videos and photos, even before I joined the site! How well does that Vorwerk work? I also love that Hotponit, it reminds me of a shoe. Does it have anything to do with a hoover model? It remember seeing another vacuum that looks like that, I think it was a late Junior? I hope you had a great time!

Post# 79922 , Reply# 17   9/3/2009 at 20:30 (5,345 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        
Great pictures, Jack -

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That Hotpoint is a real Plain Jane, though quite fascinating. It reminds me (very distantly) of a US Dial-a-Matic / UK Convertible, mostly because of the hard bag compartment. That Sweeper vac is gorgeous - the bag is so beautiful! It's a work of art by itself! Quite a hefty brushroll too. The other machines a wonderful too. Love the Lux lineup. Thanks for sharing the pictures. John L

Post# 79935 , Reply# 18   9/3/2009 at 22:52 (5,345 days old) by normvac (COLUMBUS, OHIO)        
Sweeper Vac hand vacuum !

I have to comment that the little Sweeper Vac, hand held looks
so much like an Apex. Except I have a blue Apex. Then if you
rubbed all the blue paint off and put a red bag and handle
on it. They would be the same !
Norm


Post# 79946 , Reply# 19   9/4/2009 at 06:46 (5,345 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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Strange, the Hotpoint looks like a shoe to me too. I thought of that before I read this thread. Love that design, and the Sweeper Vac too. Since 1907, a year before You Know Who!

Post# 79949 , Reply# 20   9/4/2009 at 08:31 (5,345 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'Since 1907, a year before You Know Who!'

Ah - but until around 1919, Sweeper-Vac only made a non-electric carpet-sweeper-with-bellows type contraption. So the company may have been around slightly longer than The Hoover Suction Sweeper Company (as it was then known!), but by the time Sweeper-Vac started producing upright electric vacuum cleaners, Hoover were on their 19th model!

The Sweeper-Vac uprights are very interesting to me; they used some clever technology to get round Hoover's patent on the motor-driven brush - I'll explain a little more about them here if anyone's interested?


Post# 79963 , Reply# 21   9/4/2009 at 14:10 (5,345 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
"I'll explain a little more about them here if anyo

Carry on, my dear fellow!

Post# 80256 , Reply# 22   9/7/2009 at 09:17 (5,342 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

J M Spangler's patent on the revolving brush made it impossible for anyone else to use this device in their machines until after 1925, giving Hoover the edge on rug-cleaning efficiency. Clearly, Hoover - 'the world's oldest and largest maker of electric cleaners’ - had a very strong selling point, which presented a problem for other manufacturers, who were forced to find various ways of handling the issue in their own products.

Some, like Cadillac, Ohio-Tuec, Torrington etc., used an electric suction motor, twinned with a wheel-driven, carpet-sweeper type brush. Air-Way, General Electric, Eureka and Royal used suction alone. Many of these manufacturers also twinned the claims about the 'superior' performance of their machines with the charge that the Hoover's brush was harsh and damaging to rugs. This rang rather hollow when the patent expired, and they all rushed to add motor-driven brushes to their own machines!

The remaining few brands, like Ira Lee, and Sweeper-Vac, were slightly more ingenious in finding other ways of getting the motor on their cleaners to revolve the brush.

While Ira-Lee (I know a club member has one of these, since I saw it in person at the convention, but I forget who owns it - sorry!) used a spring-drive to convey motion from the rear of the motor-shaft to the nozzle, Sweeper-Vac used a Worm Drive. Mounted at the rear of the motor unit, and driven by the non-fan end of the armature, it powered a belt which ran horizontally underneath the motor unit . Sweeper-Vac also included a lever on the rear of the motor, which meant the Worm Drive could be disengaged to shut off the brush-roll.

Sweeper-Vac had a totally different modus operandi to Hoover. They believed that lifting the rug from the ground and gently beating it – like Hoover’s machines did – was damaging to the rug’s nap and glue sizings. Sweeper-Vac’s technology offered what they saw as 3 main advantages over Hoover’s.

1) The worm-drive gear system allowed the brush to rotate at a much lower speed to the motor, which was ‘better’ for carpets. Meanwhile, the motor could run at a much higher RPM for suction than Hoover’s motors did.
2) The Sweeper-Vac - which had no front wheels, gliding on its soleplate alone - didn’t lift the carpet from the floor at all, which again was ‘better’ for carpets.
3) By disengaging the load of the brush from the motor, the motor could go faster when the hose was attached, allowing for more powerful suction.

It seems the main fault with Sweeper-Vac’s design was that you were only supposed to engage or disengage the lever with the motor off. Of course, no one remembered this, and the fibre gear, running on the brass worm gear, would be stripped of its teeth in seconds. I imagine that after the company expired, parts were impossible to source, hence the rarity of these cleaners today.

Also, although I’ve never used such a machine myself, I’d guess such powerful suction, on a cleaner with no front wheels, would have made the cleaner very heavy to push. As you can see, by the time they made the Model 22, they’d added front wheels, placed either side of the brush to pin the carpet to the floor. Hoover abandoned this design in 1909!

By Model 22, they'd also abandoned the Worm Drive/lever set-up, with a much more conventional belt-driven brush.

It seems there were quite a large number of Sweeper-Vac models. In addition to Models 22 and 49, there were:

Model 20 (motor-driven brush)
Model 18 (straight suction)
Thrift
Castle
Vaclight
Filter-sac
DeLuxe
Satin
Standard

If anyone has any pictures or info on other models, or any history about the brand itself, I'd love to hear!!


Post# 80287 , Reply# 23   9/7/2009 at 13:35 (5,342 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Interesting

Would you say that Dyson uses a similar cleaning action, in that the cleaner head rubs on the carpet?

Post# 80293 , Reply# 24   9/7/2009 at 13:54 (5,342 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'Would you say that Dyson uses a similar cleaning action

Similar in concept, if not exactly in function, yes! Same goes for any floating-head design of cleaner - many of the Panasonic uprights use this set-up, too, among others.

Post# 80917 , Reply# 25   9/16/2009 at 14:28 (5,333 days old) by vaccrazy ()        

Looks like great fun!


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