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Post# 68401   5/4/2009 at 06:46 (5,465 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

My Model 800, my all-time favourite vacuum cleaner, has been near-complete for several years; the cord and plug are both original, but the bag on it was the standard plain-black-with-ivory-lettering genuine 1930s Hoover replacement. These alone are pretty hard to find, since most surviving pre-war Hoovers you see now have the awful, ugly, dust-leaking battleship-grey 1970s Hoover replacement bags, or worse still, bojack bags. I considered myself incredibly lucky to have the attractive 1930s Hoover replacements for all of my cleaners.

However, thanks to a discovery by my good friend Mike King (in a moment similar to the unearthing of Tutankhamun's tomb!), my Model 800 is now graced with an ORIGINAL bag...but no ordinary original 800 bag...

In 1935, in celebration of King George V's Silver Jubilee, Hoover renamed their UK 370/450/800/925 line-up the Jubilee Range, and issued special-edition bags, marked with the words 'Jubilee Model'. The handle bail also bore an oval-shaped badge with the King's royal crest on it. The rarity of these Royal Jubilee bags is comparible to the rarity of Hoover's own 1932 'Silver Jubilee' bags, from the American versions of Models 425/750/900. Model 800 was produced at the London factory from 1934-36, and only 1935's machines featured the 'Jubilee Model' wording.

Mike, I can't thank you enough for this; you, and anyone who knows me well, will be aware how much your gift means to me :D


Post# 68402 , Reply# 1   5/4/2009 at 06:48 (5,465 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

In-situ, and feeling pretty jubilant!

Post# 68403 , Reply# 2   5/4/2009 at 06:49 (5,465 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Those magic words in close-up...

Post# 68405 , Reply# 3   5/4/2009 at 07:04 (5,465 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        

A big congratulations, Jack, on finding that wonderful bag. It's been said before, I think, but your pictures are great...very high quality.

Post# 68418 , Reply# 4   5/4/2009 at 11:55 (5,464 days old) by tristar ()        

I love it! You even have a working retractor strap! My 800 only wishes it looked that nice!

Post# 68421 , Reply# 5   5/4/2009 at 12:08 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Ugh..

Such a gorgeous machine.

Incredible!


Post# 68431 , Reply# 6   5/4/2009 at 14:22 (5,464 days old) by kirbyvacuum (Long Island New York)        
Hoover

hi Jack VERY NICE machine and BAG. Everything looks bran new every time i see a older Hoover like that it makes me VERY SAD to think what has happened to a company like that.We have to prmote vacuums made in the good old USA even if they cost much more. Doug

Post# 68433 , Reply# 7   5/4/2009 at 14:53 (5,464 days old) by thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)        
stunning!

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That is one glistening beauty! Congrats on the legendary find!

Cory


Post# 68435 , Reply# 8   5/4/2009 at 15:18 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
I just picked up...

A model 725 with an original bag and original cord. Cord looks pretty shot, and the bag has some holes in it that need patching.. but it still has its bag retractor hooked up and working. I saw it at an estate sale on Saturday, but didn't want to pay $40 for it. So I waited until today and got it for $24.

Pictures to follow shortly...

~F


Post# 68436 , Reply# 9   5/4/2009 at 15:40 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Not to hijack this thread...

But while we're on the subject of gorgeous original bags...

I plugged it in, and there's power going to it, but the motor is totally locked up. I couldn't even spin the fan by hand. The wheels are pretty badly rotten... cracking beyond the point of being use-able. ((Anyone know of a suitable replacement??))

I'm not sure at this point if I'm going to restore/rebuild it, or if I'm going to just take the bag off and put it on my 800 (which I think took a similar bag).

Either way, for that bag alone... ugh.. I'm in heaven!

I may be able to salvage the original cord, too. If not, I know those plugs come off and can be put on new cords.

~F


Post# 68437 , Reply# 10   5/4/2009 at 15:42 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
***Bites lip***

Ugh, I've never just "found" an original bag--this old--in such delicious condition... with the original bag strappy retainer thing still hooked up and operational, to boot!

Post# 68438 , Reply# 11   5/4/2009 at 15:44 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Not too bad...

For being roughly 70 years old... it could be a LOT worse!

I'm sure the moment I touch that bumper, it's going to crumble to pieces... :-(


Post# 68439 , Reply# 12   5/4/2009 at 15:46 (5,464 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Underneath..

Rotten wheels...

Agitator is missing a brush strip.. which I happen to have plenty of...


Post# 68487 , Reply# 13   5/5/2009 at 02:10 (5,464 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Fred:

What you have there is a standard original Model 800 bag. Like mine, but without the 'Jubilee Model' wording. The 725 originally had a plain black bag featuring the design known as 'the question mark' - a single orange line running from the bottom to the top of the bag, ending in a spiral. The 575 had the same design in silver, but used the older 'spreader-top' bag.

WRT the motor locking up; have a look under the fan itself. I've found in 2 cases that all the crud and fluff that's worked it's way between the fan and lower bearing plate has fossilised over the years it's stood stationary, and jammed it solid. As soon as you scrape it off, it should work fine!

With those wheels, the rubber ones always seem to go like that! The later bakelite ones are far superior! If you do decide to go down the total-restoration route, I'll see if I have any spares I can send you - no promises, I've just sorted out 4 to send to someone else, and I think they may have been my last. Also, I'm not sure how - if it's even possible - to get the rear wheel on the height-adjuster side off :S

Congratulations on the bag, though - a great find! I'd have paid $40 for that bag alone; even better that you got the whole machine for half that :D


Post# 68492 , Reply# 14   5/5/2009 at 06:45 (5,464 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Really nice Jack and I'll be sure to give Mike a big kiss, maybe two, for ya next time I see him. LOL

I'm wondering why it is I can't seem to find any of these old Hoovers here. It's not like they didn't sell them or manufacture any :(


Post# 68500 , Reply# 15   5/5/2009 at 11:04 (5,463 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Source for NIB Vintage Hoover Bags...

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Jack, I had a dream last night that I was helping you sort through all of your new in box vintage Hoover bags, and you were asking me to press them with the iron. So demanding you are!!! :-)

Andrew


Post# 68553 , Reply# 16   5/6/2009 at 12:41 (5,462 days old) by turbopowerpaul (UK)        
Congrats to Jack!

Having seen the happiness written across your face over the weekend, whenever you picked up and held the bag I know just how much Mike's gift meant to you.

The cleaner looks absolutely stunning and I am so very pleased that you are now able to call your Model 800 complete.

I bet you were counting down the miles till Al got you home!

Really pleased for you.

Paul


Post# 68565 , Reply# 17   5/6/2009 at 16:45 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Bob - thank you, I always try and take decent pictures of my cleaners...I can't see the point otherwise. It's really not rocket science to get a clear picture, correctly sized and round the right way, especially in the age of digital photography! I use Windows Office Picture Manager to rotate, crop, and resize the photos, and to alter the brightness/contrast if needed. Take a tip, people! :P

Eric - I have, I think, 4 or 5 cleaners with their original retractor straps intact. The straps actually a pretty easy fix, although fiddly, because it usually requires all the electrics being removed from the handle. You usually find the tension spring and whatever's left of the strap inside the handle, where it shot back in when it broke! It depends on the original guide-wheel being present, though - often they were removed when the cleaner was converted. This is where having lots of scrap machines comes in handy!

Fred - thanks; how fateful that we both found great 800 bags within days of each other! We're working towards completing the Hoover Jigsaw on both sides of the Atlantic!

Doug - don't worry, I now know there are people within the TTI group who are just as passionate about Hoover's history as many of us are. One such person is reading my copies of 'Designing for People' and 'The Fabulous Dustpan' right now, so we may see better things in the future!

Cory - thanks! It'll always have pride of place in my collection from now on. Look out for a video of it on my YouTube account in the near-future!

Pete - look out for Models 850 and 600. If you ever see one of those, grab it and don't let go! They were Canada-exclusives, and must be incredibly rare. I've never seen one, although I have a manual for the 600.

Andrew - if my bags ever need sorting, I'll give you a call ;P

Paul - thanks so much! You were there to witness the magic first-hand! Thanks for posting that great picture of us all, too. I'll send you copies of mine when I get them sorted!


Post# 68566 , Reply# 18   5/6/2009 at 16:48 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'The New Jubilee Model'

Here's an ad for this machine - it's borrowed from Paul Linnell's wonderful 'Simply Switch On' website. Note how prominantly the royal crest is featured!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO vintagehoover's LINK


Post# 68567 , Reply# 19   5/6/2009 at 16:50 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

And here's a detail from a Hoover promo pic, showing the Junior Model 370 with its Jubilee bag. Even entry-level buyers could afford to be patriotic!

Post# 68572 , Reply# 20   5/6/2009 at 17:15 (5,462 days old) by vintageroyal611 ()        

Jack, what's that black piece extending from the plug on your 800? Beautiful cleaner by the way.

Post# 68573 , Reply# 21   5/6/2009 at 17:36 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Hi Matt,

the black thing is an adaptor to allow you to run the cleaner from a bayonet lamp socket. All Hoover cleaners were provided with these adaptors, because even among those who were wired for electricity, many did not yet have wall sockets:


Post# 68574 , Reply# 22   5/6/2009 at 17:37 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

With the adaptor removed:

Post# 68575 , Reply# 23   5/6/2009 at 17:40 (5,462 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

This is an original Hoover plug from the Model 700-era. It's made of hard bakelite, not rubber like the one shown above, and this is designed solely to be run from a lamp fitting. There's no 2-pin fitting hidden away on this one!

Post# 68609 , Reply# 24   5/7/2009 at 02:01 (5,462 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        
Further Comments about Pictures

In fact, Jack, anyone not in the know about Hoovers could probably look at the second picture and think it was part of the 2009 lineup. I really have to thank you for "turning me on" to the pre-war Hoovers.

Post# 68622 , Reply# 25   5/7/2009 at 12:37 (5,461 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK)        
Jubilee Hoovers

Jack,
Beautiful bag and machine. Only last Tuesday I was using my friends 370 with the greatest of ease and pleasure. I took over the pride of my Hoover fleet; my 725 which although I say it myself is a corker....light plug fitting,instruction book and unused box of dusting tools but sadly not the original type of bag you describe. He applied his commutator stick and it began to run as fast as an 800/825.

He noticed that I had fitted a 262 belt and told me I should have used a 612/912 belt...I thought that that size/type of belt only appeared in 1949 ?


Can you help to clarify this ?

Regards, Walter.

P.S. Nice to see a group photo of some of the UK VACUUMLANDERS !!


Post# 68644 , Reply# 26   5/7/2009 at 17:08 (5,461 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Bob:

If you're impressed by it's looks, check out it's performance!

*watch in 'HQ'*


CLICK HERE TO GO TO vintagehoover's LINK


Post# 68869 , Reply# 27   5/10/2009 at 06:16 (5,459 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Jubilee

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Glad to see its finally found its true home, looking FAB, and embarrisingly to think you`d walked past that cupboard all the times you`ve visited!!!...that`l teach me to sort out sooner rather than later!!!!

I think this pic says it all, Jack nursed it all the way home after the mini-meet (pics n vids on their way) ...catch you soon, Mike


Post# 68876 , Reply# 28   5/10/2009 at 08:45 (5,458 days old) by sireluxomatic ()        

Jack, you sure look happy with that find. Sadly, youtube is blocked here where I'm living, but I promise to catch up on all the videos as soon as I get back home.


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