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Post# 64887   4/3/2009 at 16:48 (3,391 days old) by funvacfan (Canada)        

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Is this made by Singer or Whirlpool?

Guy


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Post# 64888 , Reply# 1   4/3/2009 at 16:51 (3,391 days old) by myvacsrock (Dayton, OH)        

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Singer, for sure

Post# 64900 , Reply# 2   4/3/2009 at 21:26 (3,391 days old) by rugmaster37 ()        
Singer for sure....

Hey Guy,

Your machine is kinda a rare find. They were semi-popular around Michigan and elsewhere when new, but IMHO the Twin-Fan design was NEVER designed to be commercial machine. Because of this forced life, many died an early death from too much dirt being sucked into the cooling fans and coating the motor in schmutz. This of course overheated and killed many of them early on. Yours that you found DOES have a motor protector, but even this couldn't fix a overlooked design flaw that killed many a Twin Fan machine Singer or Kenmore, household model and Commercial alike.

It definitely hails from the early 80's as it still has the multi toned bag, with the plastic front that was like a leatherette which the wording is on, but also no longer had the lower dump hatch that the earlier styles had. They stopped the lower dump hatch in like 1981 or so. To Explain this better, Singer created a very unique bag, that had another chrome, or black plastic clamp-slide along the bottom like the one at the top. This allowed you to dump out the bag contents without removing the bag from the machine. When Sears found that most people used the inner paper bag, and not the cloth one, this was discontinued. IT was either that, or they did it to reduce costs.

Regardless, you do not see to many of these anymore,especially in that condition. I would in a heartbeat go and get that at least to preserve it from the dump, or it's final life as a grungy basement vac or worse.

You may need a new belt, and the bristles may be worn, but in that condition I wouldn't worry that this is too much a problem. I understand that those bags that it takes are NLA, as are the brush rollers, but you can use a Hoover type C bag in it's place.

You may find someone on here that may have access to some opld bags, and possibly a NOS, or even a lightly used rollerbrsh if need be.

If you do get it, If I were you definitely take of the hood and use another vacuum to remove all the lint and dirt accumulation from the innards. You should be able to find a Twin Fan belt at most Sears stores. In a pinch I've found that a Oreck belt will actually work well, along with a Hoover Elite belt. the Oreck is rather wide, but the Elite belt is kinda long. So you have to take the good and take the bad.

An F& G bag will not suffice like it does in the residential models because of another quirky bag design. Behind that plastic or leatherette face, is a built in dirt tube that goes up to a top mounted bag neck that actually points downwards. Like an upside down F&G bag neck. The stock bag had a short tube pointing upwards that the spring on the neck grabbed onto, and the bag filled from the top similar , but unlike the F& G style.

I believe it was Singer Sub 2 and I'm thinking that the bag that used to be Kenmore's call number was...20 A 5034. At least that was the catalog number as off Spring and Summer 1979.

Sorry for the over info...But Save that vac LOL!!!!


Post# 64948 , Reply# 3   4/4/2009 at 08:05 (3,390 days old) by funvacfan (Canada)        
I will phone today

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and see if it's still available. Chad...the more information the better! Thank you for some back ground info. I would have guessed it's age as much newer.

Guy


Post# 64955 , Reply# 4   4/4/2009 at 11:11 (3,390 days old) by shag (Ontario, Canada)        

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Guy, That vacuum was still being offered in the Sears catalouge in 1982. I wanted one so bad.I just loved the way it looked and the red and black together was so sharp looking.
Heres a pic.


Post# 64996 , Reply# 5   4/4/2009 at 20:25 (3,390 days old) by shag (Ontario, Canada)        

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After more digging through my stash of old catalouges, the heavy duty was shown through to at least 1985, thats where my 80s end, then in the 1991 catalouge it looked like this.
The heavy duty top middle looks like a real brute.


Post# 65037 , Reply# 6   4/5/2009 at 02:02 (3,389 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
shag

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I have the hevy duty the one in the middle, my aunt had the one to the right only with a cord reel. They are very good carpet cleaners and the suction with the hose wasnt half bad for an upright.I think they were aming for the Hoover Concept with that model as it is very similar.I wish I had the hose for mine=(. Anyway I love looking at old sears catalogues.Also the white upright on the top page for 139.88 was the one they used in Mama's Family to suck up Naomi's house key lol.
Ken


Post# 65057 , Reply# 7   4/5/2009 at 09:01 (3,389 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
Here it is

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Wow speek of it and here it is the vac my aunt had, and I have the similar heavy duty model.Hers is long gone tho lol.The bottom was totaly shot the cord mended, the poor thing had a rough 8 or 9 years being used atleat twice a day for 5 ofthose years.They had two big dogs that shedded horribly and 3 kids that shedded to lol (j/k). I think she got her 259.99 worth =)

Post# 65059 , Reply# 8   4/5/2009 at 09:09 (3,389 days old) by xraytech ()        

Oh, those ads bring back so many memories of going to Sears as a child, I always wanted the Heavy Duty Plus upright and also loved the Power Spray shampooer, one of our neighbors still has one, maybe someday I can talk them into getting a new one so I can snatch theirs up

Post# 65064 , Reply# 9   4/5/2009 at 10:22 (3,389 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
Oh Sam...

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I think we were seperated at birth lol. Me 2 Sears was my alltime favorite store, I also liked Ann&Hope and Leachmere. Im not so sure Ann&Hope made it that far south west Im pretty sure it was a RI thing lol,anyway they like sears had a huge vacuum selection and you could try them unlike K-mart etc.. I had 3 Power Spray carpet cleaners. The 1st one my aunt gave me she got it around 1983ish it was cream MOL, the 2nd was w late 80's gray I found in the trash, and the 3rd I got for xmas in 1994, it was white with hunter trim and all the attacments came with it wet/dry atts.powermate. I used my b-day $ to complete it with the Spray-Mate power nozzle. The Spray-mate did a good job scrubbing but didn't pick up the dirty water as well as the strait suction nozzle. Anyway blah blah blah Thanks Sam,Guy and Brian for bringing back memories.

Post# 65067 , Reply# 10   4/5/2009 at 11:01 (3,389 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
And Sam

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Speaking of being seperated at birth,I think I recall you mentioning something in another thread about a Lucerne CXL,I myself am a Buick fan Ive owned several and driven them all. The Lucerne CXL V8 is very comfy and fun to drive as is the V6 version.
My appoligies for drifting off thread everyone(Ducking and crawling away slowly)
Ken


Post# 65075 , Reply# 11   4/5/2009 at 14:03 (3,389 days old) by vintageroyal611 ()        

One of my relatives had a Heavy Duty Plus and she only let me use it once. I really wanted one then and I still want one. Who knows I could find one tomorrow or even next year.

Post# 65087 , Reply# 12   4/5/2009 at 18:28 (3,389 days old) by xraytech ()        

As Chad said about the bags for that Kenmore being different than the F&G bags, he is right and it is a Singer Sub 2 bag or Sears 5034. Here is a link to some of these bags on ebay if you get the vacuum and need bags, there are more than 10 pks avaliable.

Post# 65088 , Reply# 13   4/5/2009 at 18:29 (3,389 days old) by xraytech ()        

forgot to add the link

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Post# 65169 , Reply# 14   4/6/2009 at 11:02 (3,388 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
I forgot my link from

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The above post. The vac my aunt had...
Ken


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Post# 65170 , Reply# 15   4/6/2009 at 11:14 (3,388 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        
Right about the bags

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Sam I tried to use a F&G bag in kenmore I had like that I turned it upside down cause thats what it looks like only with the paper neck of the bag being much shorter but it didnt work. The hoover C cags work better in a pinch or in the case of being frugle as i do somtimes.

Post# 389795 , Reply# 16   4/4/2018 at 08:49 by vacuumguy91 (Raleigh NC)        

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What's the story with the white upright with the blue Kenmore lettering down the bag? Price seems high for that period...that looks like a basic model for $139?




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