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Post# 62570   3/14/2009 at 10:26 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Say hello to the next generation of Dysons...

The new DC26 which was released today...

Smaller... Comparable to A4 paper...

I like....


CLICK HERE TO GO TO shanonabc's LINK


Post# 62571 , Reply# 1   3/14/2009 at 10:27 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

And the last few Japanese models...

Post# 62574 , Reply# 2   3/14/2009 at 10:55 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Small just got smaller!

Does the Japanese market really require such a huge selection of similar, tiny Dysons? I count:

- DC22 DDM Motorhead
- DC22 Motorhead
- DC22 DDM Turbinehead
- DC22 Turbinehead
- DC12 Plus Turbinehead (DDM?)
- DC26 Turbinehead Complete
- DC26 Turbinehead Entry
- DC26 Motorhead

All the same, it's a cute little machine! I'd love to have one...


Post# 62589 , Reply# 3   3/14/2009 at 16:34 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Even smaller???

If It takes 2x to empty on a dyson animal each time I vacuum, this is got to take 15!

Post# 62617 , Reply# 4   3/14/2009 at 19:16 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Yeah Brandon but did you ever think about this?

The bin may be small but I would much rather empty it then having a bag that clogs very quickly. If you use a Electrolux bag for 1 month you think its cleaning very well. Though 3 or 4 bins = 1 electrolux bag. I fill up my Dyson upright bin everytime I clean. So if you vacuum 3 or 4 times a week. You should fill up 1 Electrolux bag a week, but that never happens.

Once I make a trip to Sams Club I will get the supplies to make this test. About a week ago I got my Kirby Heritage II working again. I got two 6 pound bags of baking soda and I made two 10 inch paths on my low pile dense loop area rugs. On the one side was the Dyson on the other was the Kirby. The kirby had a HEPA micron bag installed. I went with the Kirby first by the end of the foward pass much of the baking soda was still sitting on the rug. Bringing it back didnt help much either. Then I started the Dyson. Going foward It picked up very well keeping it inside the machine. I brought it back and the only place the baking soda was left was on the belt track which will happen with any cleaner. Why did that happen?
Cyclonic action. The dirt just was spun and fell to the bottom. Im sure you all know how cyclonic action works if not email me.
Not to "bash" Kirby but every vacuum with a bag or Filter will clog up with the dust. Now I know someone will say "Nobody will suck up baking soda". But household dust is just like baking soda. Im not going DYSON IS THE ONLY VACUUM TO BUY OR USE THROW EVERYTHING ELSE AWAY.But they are great vacuum. Has anybody tried the new Dyson DC17? Nobody here I believe knows about the new Dyson baby.
The Dyson baby is going to be the best bagless canister in the US market. My best friend and past VCCC president Tom Gasko had the first one in the United States. Dealers were able to order them a week or so ago. The best thing is that since it has the cyclonic seperator it will even spin out ciggarette smoke particles!!!!!IT also uses the Dyson digital motor which spins 5 times faster then a Formula G car engine. Because its brushless there is no carbon dust. This also mean when I and everybody on here is long gone Toms Dyson which Im sure will be passed down to another collector will still be running it will be running for longer then any of us can imagine. I dont want to say anymore but I will have to ask Tom if I can give a few more details. T
The new Dyson is designed to be used in small aparments. In these small apartments in New York and California if you can spend 1 million on a apartment Im sure you will buy a Dyson. Also its alot less then any DTD vacuums......kirby,rainbow,filter queen.


Post# 62627 , Reply# 5   3/14/2009 at 20:26 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
why I sold the dyson

The reason I sold my dyson, was because it clogged far to much.

My kirby Heritage II legend always did a better job. I had a video of it whopping my G6 as well. It was picking up aspen shavings (inspired by ttuee2006) And my dyson never could pick up the shavings.

And you all have seen the video where the dyson can't pick up the sheet of paper, and its true. I have tried it, never could. My kirbys practically ate the paper!

I have nothing against dysons. I think they are a great concept, but they cant hold a candle to the Kirbys, and Miele.


My kirbys, or actually any bagged vacuum I have ever had, have never had a clog.

And I think if a kirby got a clog, it would be really easy to unclog.

The dyson, I had to unscrew many many parts and it takes hours to fix.


Post# 62628 , Reply# 6   3/14/2009 at 20:31 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Hi Evan,

the Dyson DC22 Baby has been onsale outside the US for quite a while now. The DDM version is not available in Europe, although it is in Korea and Japan.

Apparently, the DC22 DDM's HEPA post-motor filter never needs attention, and the pre-motor filter needs maintenance once every seven years!



Post# 62629 , Reply# 7   3/14/2009 at 20:32 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

The filters...

Post# 62631 , Reply# 8   3/14/2009 at 20:38 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Yup Jack thats it!!!!!!!!!!!!. I love it. Im going to save up and buy one from Tom.
Brandon when I say clog and dyson its not like a ball of dirt in the hose!!!!!!!!!!THe pores in a bag clog and it loses suction. You will learn that there are two different types of clogs. As for my Dyson its high CFM and suction power I have never had it clog and I love everything comes apart with clips. No tools needed. As for the DC15 why do you think they got rid of it and introduced the 25? For godsake they know what works and what doesnt.
Jack thanks for posting that stuff its awesome.


Post# 62632 , Reply# 9   3/14/2009 at 20:41 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Jack your right BTW the Pre motor filter needs cleaning only once every 7 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me say that again
7 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 freaking years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet again 7 years never cleaning a Filter. ONLY SNAPPING OUT A BIN AND DUMPING IT IN THE GARBAGE. In the most Hygenic way too.


Post# 62642 , Reply# 10   3/14/2009 at 21:01 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Not knowing about Baby... I had a preview of 12 just after it came out in Japan... As for 22... cant say :D... I have known about it for ages through...

As for the 7 years... Dyson UK themselves say about the 22 that the filter needs to be washed monthly...


Post# 62645 , Reply# 11   3/14/2009 at 21:05 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Huh I mean since I saw the manual and the machine it says once every 7 years.

Post# 62647 , Reply# 12   3/14/2009 at 21:15 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
7 years...

shanonabc: This is a claim I've read about on a different forum. Evan confirms it - I assume your info came from Tom Gasko, Evan? I'd assume he of all people knows what he's talking about!

I guess we'll have to wait for it to arrive for ultimate confirmation of that claim.


Post# 62648 , Reply# 13   3/14/2009 at 21:19 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Yup of course From Tom. Basically everything I know I have learned from Tom. He is my best friend and I have gotten alot of cleaners from him.

Post# 62649 , Reply# 14   3/14/2009 at 21:23 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Here's some more pics of the DC22, from a Korean website. I believe - don't quote me, though! - this version has the DDM, but the Turbine head, not the Motorhead:

Post# 62650 , Reply# 15   3/14/2009 at 21:24 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

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Post# 62651 , Reply# 16   3/14/2009 at 21:25 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

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Post# 62652 , Reply# 17   3/14/2009 at 21:26 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

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Post# 62659 , Reply# 18   3/14/2009 at 21:45 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Kirbykid1

I can not see how a dyson can even last a year. Mine did not by itself. It was in the shop 3 times before we threw it away.

Filters dont exist on any bagless. My dyson always was covered in dirt. Kirby- never. Always clean.

bags are really the cleaner cleaner.


WELL AT LEAST I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING-- I HAVE THE ORIGINAL BAGLESS!

I sold all my cleaners, and bought A HOOVER 800 and an all original and beautiful 518.

NO CLOGS ever on these. And no filters to deal with!


Post# 62662 , Reply# 19   3/14/2009 at 21:48 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
plastic cleaners

Why would you ever buy a plastic cleaner anyways? They never last. The bumper cracked on the diesoon from it tipping over!

Metal is best. Or at least not the cheap plastic that dyson and dirt devil uses.


Post# 62664 , Reply# 20   3/14/2009 at 21:51 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Screenshot form UK 22 Manual

Post# 62666 , Reply# 21   3/14/2009 at 21:52 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

screenshot 2

Post# 62668 , Reply# 22   3/14/2009 at 21:53 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

screenshot 3

and btw... The 1 month info comes from an insider at Dyson Aus


Post# 62671 , Reply# 23   3/14/2009 at 21:56 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
WRT the '7 year filter' claim...

Looking at the picture I posted above which shows the DC22's filters, I see '1' is written on the maintenance instructions sticker, next to a tap icon...maybe the pre-motor filter does need to be washed each month, and it's the post-motor filter which only needs attention every 7 years...but then, the post-motor filters on other Dysons are supposed to last a lifetime without attention...

I'm intrigued!


Post# 62672 , Reply# 24   3/14/2009 at 21:57 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

But then again it says "wash filters" as opposed to "wash filter" every month

Post# 62674 , Reply# 25   3/14/2009 at 21:59 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I guess that clears things up then? So why have two independent sources claimed the filters only need attention every 7 years?

Post# 62675 , Reply# 26   3/14/2009 at 22:01 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

And also the post 62629 shows the filter open with a sticker near the seal saying 1...

As much as I would absolutely love the whole once every 7 years thing I dont think it is possible at the moment...

I have a feeling people would overfill their machines which then goes into the inner cyclones and ends up on the filters when the inner cyclones overfill...

I know from experience... I have many Dysons but in particular my DC05.

Vacuuming a carpet that had never been Dysoned before... Mainly fine dust was in the carpet. By the time the outer bin was 1/3 full the inner cyclone had already choked on all the dust and it had bypassed onto the pre filter... Thats what it is there for... A safety guard in case of these situations.


Post# 62676 , Reply# 27   3/14/2009 at 22:02 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

So if you have to wash both filters each month, it actually requires much more filter-care than previous models? Despite the DDM not having any carbon-emissions?

Post# 62678 , Reply# 28   3/14/2009 at 22:04 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I see your screenshots are for the UK DC22 manual - the UK version doesn't use the DDM! Hence, perhaps, the need to wash the post-motor filter more often?

Post# 62679 , Reply# 29   3/14/2009 at 22:08 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Correct. The majority of post 22 machines didn't have a removable post motor filter for the simple reason that the majority of users would have no need to change it... The cyclones and pre motor filters trap almost everything. The post motor is there to trap the carbon and the smallest little bits.

Please note that the above manual is not for the DDM, IMO the DDM's post motor filter would require much less maintenance (i.e. maybe check once every six months) but the pre motor would still need to be done every month or so...

Unfortunately us in Aus won't get the 22 DDM but will get the normal motored 22s veeery sooon (cant say when)

I have used a 12 DDM and can vouch that their filters need regular washing.


Post# 62680 , Reply# 30   3/14/2009 at 22:11 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

WOw Shanon thats cool. We will find out when they are launched. Now to Brandon
Brandon you dont understand any vacuum bag bagless clothbag they all clog. They all have pores how do you think they capture the dust. Brandon you are seriously making up stuff about your dyson. I have had ours for 6 years. Yeah 6 years. What abot Tom gasko. He was the first US Dyson dealer. IF he didnt like them why would he sell them? Mine is in mint condition. how about a clear bin made of the same polycarbonate that is used in riot shields? I think thats pretty strong. Lemme tell you a story.
We had a Kenmore quick clean and a kirby g4. The g4 was my favorite vacuum but my mom hated it because she hated cleaning the stairs and she hates anything that you had to take the head off to use the tools. We went to Sears to get a hoover empower and left with a Dyson much to my dismay. When I got it home and the bin is still crystal clear my dad walked in and we thought he was going to have a heart attack when he learned we payed 500 bucks for a vacuum. I had him vacuum the living room and I got a thing of newspaper on the table and dumped it. I couldnt get it out of his hands. WE ran its for 4 hours that night cleaning every room top to bottom. Now we had that Kirby for 2 years vacuuming with it everyday. Now shouldnt that be clean? What would happen is that I would replace the bag and clean and within a hour I would have no more suction because the airflow is blocked up. I would replace the bag and clean for another hour and its clogged. Thats why the Dyson picked up so much. That was 6 years ago. Its still going strong with no replacment parts. Everything is orignal.

Also Brandon your new here you dont know how Tom gasko invented the cleaning competition and how he was club president for 8+ years. In the cleaning competition we used a Dyson DC07 animal. Serial Number 1 BTW. Now if Dysons couldnt clean then why did they always suck up more dirt then the other cleaners? Of course that would be Kirbys, Hoovers and all the vacuums you say are perfect. You have to realize a bag vacuum loses suction. Thats why you will see never fill a bag more then 3/4 full. Did you ever notice when you put a new bag in it cleans better? If not there is something wrong.

A normal so called "cyclonc" vacuums that arent dysons also clog. Instead of a bag it has a Filter. These filters are more porous then a bag and the pleats will fill with fur and dust. Dyson is the only vacuum that doesnt lose suction... PERIOD. End of story. Nobody can argue that fact. Its impossible. If you clean that one small sponge filter once every 6 months you are smooth sailing.

My Dyson is one of the best vacuums I own. When well If mine breaks we will replace it very quickly.


Post# 62682 , Reply# 31   3/14/2009 at 22:14 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Now I also wanna say that I didnt mean to "Shoot you down" Evan... I just like my facts

Post# 62684 , Reply# 32   3/14/2009 at 22:15 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Shanon theres the secret. Ours will have the Dyson Digital motor. They dont need the post motor filter to trap carbon because there isnt any. Thats why I think I got it screwed up but I will call Tom tonight and double check but Im almost certain its once every 7 years.

Post# 62685 , Reply# 33   3/14/2009 at 22:16 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

To illustrate Evan's point

Post# 62687 , Reply# 34   3/14/2009 at 22:17 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

and again....

Yeah... I could believe the 22 DDM POST filter once every 7 years... But not the Pre... Definitely not the Pre...


Post# 62689 , Reply# 35   3/14/2009 at 22:20 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Shanon we should talk obviously we both know dyson.

Post# 62691 , Reply# 36   3/14/2009 at 22:23 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

MSN or iChat?

Post# 62697 , Reply# 37   3/14/2009 at 22:28 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

add me on yahoo messenger I believe there compatible. evan.9591@yahoo.com


Post# 62699 , Reply# 38   3/14/2009 at 22:31 (5,520 days old) by lux1521 ()        

While Dyson designs are interesting, I feel they are nowhere near as durable as conventional cleaners and even competing bagless units. I think that Dyson designs are over engineered and more complex that what is really required to do the job which reduces reliability.

At the end of the day, the Dyson still has a pre motor filter that has pores just like a bag. At least with a bag, all I need to do is throw it out. I don't even need to get my hands wet.


Post# 62701 , Reply# 39   3/14/2009 at 22:41 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Well...

I find dyson way overpriced. My mom cried when she found out how much better the kirby was, and she had to spend well over $500 for the dyson just less than a year ago.

We have done the tests. Kirbys Dyson, Dirt Devil. And the trusty Concept one

Our Dirt Devil Swift, cleaned the same as the dyson, but quicker. it could not get out all the baking soda. Or the shavings.

Concept one and kirbys did it all. Concept one was a little slow. Kirby picked all powder up in 2 passes. And 4 in all for it all.

I totally disagree about the plastic they use. I have no idea where you got that info, but it is in fact the same plastic that my $40 dirt devil has. Cheap.


And that is why our diesoon was **smashed** and trashed. Quite an easy smash. It all fell apart with one swing. Darn thing just did not hold up. For $500, I want steel.


I hate dyson. Sorry, but they suck in some bad ways.


Post# 62702 , Reply# 40   3/14/2009 at 22:44 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
well said lux1521

Thats what I think about them.

Clogging bags?!?! NEVER on a kirby!!!

The dyson did clog in the canister. All the time. Never passed 1/2 full without the motor changing pitches and not sucking anymore.

And to think- walmart sells this for $499 still

ROYAL should be on those shelves.


Post# 62705 , Reply# 41   3/14/2009 at 22:48 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Brandon you dont know the facts I do. You just got here and I have talked to many people and you are argueing about subjects that people have studied for years. I have learned all of this from the man that has the vacuum many people only dream of. Who else on the face of the planet has a cyclon. I know your going to ask whats a cyclon? Its James Dyson first design. Its not the G-force that had a auto height adjustment. Its the only one that exist except for James Dyson. Dont argue with fact you dont know. That is polycarbonate. I can beat it with a metal pole for 5 hours and it still works. Just dont argue when you dont know the facts. People like Shanon Tom Gasko and I we know what were talking about we research Dyson.

Post# 62706 , Reply# 42   3/14/2009 at 22:50 (5,520 days old) by xraytech ()        

Everything is bound to have a loss of suction at some point in time, just some things sooner than others.

I would personally NEVER use a bagless vacvuum, I think the bagged versions are more sanitary, and for the record my Generation has never had any noticable suction loss, not even with cheap generic bags, it is more capable than any other vacuum at cleaning up pine needles without a suction loss or clogging.

Evan, you also need to remember that there is no one vacuum for everyone which is why there are so many choices. Just because you like your Dyson dosent mean I will, personally I hate them and will never try one let alone buy one because I refuse to use bagless plus to me it does not even look user friendly and I think they are an over rated and over priced hunk of gawdy colored plastic. That is why everyone is different and entitled to their own opinions, so there is nothing wrong with what Brandon thinks of Dyson.


Post# 62707 , Reply# 43   3/14/2009 at 22:52 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Brandon look at the link and go to the picture that has the title a new idea. You will see what happens. Explore click on the clear bin I mean they would be in trouble if what they said wasnt true.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbykid1's LINK


Post# 62710 , Reply# 44   3/14/2009 at 22:57 (5,520 days old) by xraytech ()        

I also forgot to say Evan, that just because Brandon is new to the group that dosen't me he dosen't know what he is talking about, people know about vacuums before they join this group otherwise no one would be here if it wasn't something we put time into and are passionate about.
And you or anyone else no matter how much you may think otherwise dosen't have all the awnsers about Dyson or anything else and everything is debatable because this is all a matter of personal opinion.
So please start being nice to Brandon he is only sharing his opinion and his experience with his family's Dyson and their other vacuums.


Post# 62711 , Reply# 45   3/14/2009 at 23:00 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I agree with the fact that every vacuum will clog.... Some less easily than others.

In my experience for my Dysons to clog I need to completely overload them with fine dust.

Here is a piccie of my DC21 filter after 2 months of use compared to a newie... No difference in suction power...

xraytech - I agree with you... There are so many different brands and models for a reason... If someone doesn't like a Dyson for whatever reason there is a Kirby?Hoover/Nilfisk/Electolux that they should like... Just an example... It is useless to fit everyone into the same peg hole...


Post# 62712 , Reply# 46   3/14/2009 at 23:01 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Clog...clog...clog...

Brandon, Evan is correct in what he says. A vacuum cleaner dustbag is not just there to hold the dirt; it acts as a filter, which separates the dirt from the airstream, as the dust particles get caught in the pourous bag's surface area. As you continue to vacuum, more and more of the bag's surface area gets clogged with dirt particles, which stifle the airflow through the machine, and reduce it's performance. This is demonstrable, scientific fact. Dyson have drawn the public's attention to the problem, and used it to their great advantage. Awareness of the problem is nothing new, though; in 1916, Hoover were printing in their manuals:

'The bag should be emptied frequently, because a dirty bag will reduce the efficiency of the sweeper.'

In 1919, they wrote,'Empty the bag after each cleaning, as a dirty bag holds in the air, and retards the machine in it's cleaning.'

In Model 305's manual, they went even futher:

'Empty the bag after every cleaning. All cleaners are most efficient when the dirt bags are clean. As the bag collects the dirt, the flow of air through it is decreased and a pressure is developed which reduces the effiency of the cleaner.'

So you see, it's not just something Dyson made up!

HOWEVER, to what extent the clogging reduces cleaning performance in vacuums is a hotly debated topic! For instance, 'Which? Magazine', the UK equivalent of Consumer Report, noted in April 2007, ‘Our tests have found no link between the presence or absence of a bag, and cleaning ability.’ I'm sure people here will queue up to tell you how many cleaners, vintage and modern, will give perfectly acceptable performance with a half-full bag, which I would agree with in many (not all!) cases.

I have no preference between bagged or bagless cleaners. What I like about bags is their simple, neat, tidy and clean nature of dust-disposal. What I don't like about them is the cost - really decent ones, such as Miele's, are pretty darn expensive for something you're ultimately going to end up binning! What I like about Dyson is that it is simple, and relatively clean compared to other brands, to dump the dirt in the outside bin, click the canister back into place and keep going. To me, that's the real advantage of bagless cleaners, not the whole clogging issue....


Post# 62714 , Reply# 47   3/14/2009 at 23:03 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Brandon Im sorry I was harsh I just get very "passionate" about when people bash other brands.

Post# 62715 , Reply# 48   3/14/2009 at 23:03 (5,520 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Nicely said VH... I like the same thing with mine... I would never be bothered to buy bags again after my Dysons...

Post# 62716 , Reply# 49   3/14/2009 at 23:04 (5,520 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Tommorow there will be a youtube video proving my point btw. Flour and a Kirby and Dyson. We shall see.

Post# 62718 , Reply# 50   3/14/2009 at 23:18 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
To address the other 'clogging' issue...

...ie, an obstruction in an airduct which chokes off the airflow: I've never experienced this with a Dyson - but then I take care when I'm vacuuming, and I pick up anything risky before I begin, since I have respect for machines I've exchanged my own money for!

It's usually people who've failed to qualify for their 'Vacuuming Licence' (lol) who have issues here! The culprits are usually those neglect to remove hairpins, coins, socks etc, which is a wise precaution with any vacuum.

Dyson have helpfully provided two easily removable blockage-check points for those users who probably don't deserve them...


Post# 62719 , Reply# 51   3/14/2009 at 23:23 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I forgot to add, these users will also be the ones who chronically-overload their washing machines, fail to top-up their wiper-fluid and check tyre pressure, and spend a lot of time complaining, 'nothing ever works anymore. They don't make things like they used to...'

Post# 62724 , Reply# 52   3/14/2009 at 23:32 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Kirbykid1

I think your great! And another young collector is great.

I am sure you know a million things more about dyson than I do.

I have had just too many things break and not work well on mine, that it had to go- in the most unnecessary way.

We took a golf club to the dirt cup, and well it was gone in a million pieces with one hit. The motor was already dead, not sure how long it would have lasted if it did.
And the other plastic craced and chipped off. Dust everywhere of course -cup was full and the whole machine was clogged up, so it all went everywhere in the circle.

It was quite the nasty way to rid of a vacuum, but it was so messed up, and my brothers are quite happy with smashing things.
-
I am sure I had a very early dyson. And that they have made many great improvements.


But that always takes me back to this question- if bags are so bad, why do the top vacuum cleaners use bags?


Post# 62726 , Reply# 53   3/14/2009 at 23:41 (5,520 days old) by xraytech ()        

Brabdon

Essentially the bagless thing in my opinion is repackaging an old concept to make it seem new. It is really similar to shake out cloth bags before being replaced with "All New" hygenic disposable dust bags "That only need changed a few times a year" and "You never have to toucj or see the germ laden dirt again". Eventually as time goes on someone will make disposable dust bags seem like a new idea after people forgot all about them ever being around. It's just a marketing thing to make people want something because it is "All new" plus being able to see the dirt swirl around makes people think it is something better whether it is or not.


Post# 62727 , Reply# 54   3/14/2009 at 23:53 (5,520 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
True

But no matter how good or bad a dyson or well any new vacuum is, Im not letting go of my Hoover 800 or original Kirby 518.

Now those are real bagless machines for you.


Post# 62733 , Reply# 55   3/15/2009 at 00:16 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Vintage Hoovers and modern Dysons aren't incompatible in the same collection - rather, they make for a wonderful and interesting contrast ;)

Post# 62734 , Reply# 56   3/15/2009 at 00:18 (5,520 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

vs.

Post# 62738 , Reply# 57   3/15/2009 at 01:11 (5,520 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Dyson and other bagless vacuums-I have a couple of Dysons in my collection-the DC07 I got from a Kirby dealer-the machine smelled like dog and all of the dogs long hairs were wrapped around its tiny brushroll-with all that hair-maybe its a floor buffer instead?I cleaned away all of the hair.Replaced the filter-but went to Best Buy and bought a new one-struggled in taking apart the cyclone assembly-was amazed how much SMELLY dirt was in there!Washed it out-dried and put the thing back together-now works and no doggy smell.no wonder they traded the machine in.I am afraid cyclones are not perfect filtering devices either.For severla years I dealt with the stationary ones used in woodshops.Used to empty the ones in the high school woodshops when I went to school.Un der the main cyclone unit was a 55 gal barrel to catch the larger shavings and such.On the discharge of the cyclone unit was a filter bag with a lever connected to it-you shook the lever to shake the fine dust from the bag-it fell into another 55 gan drum.Sometimes was a dusty job-I felt the same way when I dumpted my Dysons-sort of like that woodshop dust collector.So cyclones aren't new they are over 100 yrs old.I am afraid I can't buy a cyclone filtering out smoke and other very fine particles-won't happen-no motor or fan can spin fast enough-not even the new "digital" one.Some smoke particles are at the molecular level-no filter will trap them.Its interesting when I have used any of my Kirbys with their dirtmeters-they collect all kinds of dirt from my floors.When I try the Dyson-esp the DC07 I don't get much of anything.Dysons are interesting vacuums-like the others but they can't perform magic.And I don't like the pretty Dyson plastic compared to Kirby,Royal shiny more durable metal.I don't think ANY Dyson cleaner is going to last like the Kirbys,Royals or other metal vacuums.And at the vac places I go to here-the Dysons brought in are dirty,smelly and the dust cups long fogged up from the dirt and dust.At the store-the new Dyson looks pretty nice-but after being the feild-they look and smell horrible.The Dyson "Ball" I have works better than the DC07 but not better than my Kirbys or Royals-or Hoovers for that matter.You can adjust the other machines to the proper height-but not the Dyson.The Dyson hand tools are hard to use-the Kirbys and others are easier.I feel the "bagless" machines will be a trend that comes and goes.

Post# 62746 , Reply# 58   3/15/2009 at 06:46 (5,520 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Smaller...check

Well guys...what an interesting thread!
I have had my Dyson almost 3 months now and this is what I have found in use:
The good stuff:
(1) love the long cord
(2) quiet operation
(3) strong suction
(4) easiest to empty bagless I have ever used
(5) beautiful color-cheerful to use
BUT:
The not so good stuff:
(1) difficult for me to carry
(2) may remove more dirt-but doesn't make my carpet look very good
(3) damaged 2 rugs becuase of stiff brush
(4) it's the first new vac that I have had a part break already-even the $38.00 Walmart Bissell didn't do that
(5) biggest gripe is that it has no middle stop in the handle-so I am always having to lift it from one floor surface to another.
Summary: For me it is a very good vacuum in concept (like the Rainbow) but for me not a good choice for everyday use. I still go back to my Kirby.
A very wise vacuum collector told me when I first joined the group that the "best" vacuum is the one that you will actually use. No matter how good a vacuum is ,if you don't like to use it-not very much dirt will be picked up.
That is the way I am about the Oreck too. I just don't personally like to use it because of all the noise and no attachments. Different people just like different vacuums.


Post# 62751 , Reply# 59   3/15/2009 at 08:08 (5,519 days old) by codyf ()        

Just get a rainnbow, their better that a cheap dyson anyday, Better filtration (water- and wet dust cant fly) LOL, better suction, and better power head. Dyson is just a name that we see on tv, makes us want one, play with a rainbow for a day and see how much better it is. even a old one!

Post# 62753 , Reply# 60   3/15/2009 at 08:15 (5,519 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Play with a Rainbow for a day...

...then dump the pan of filthy water, wash it all out, leave it out to dry so it doesn't stink...

Post# 62754 , Reply# 61   3/15/2009 at 08:18 (5,519 days old) by codyf ()        

or clean filters, and unclog... u choose.

Post# 62757 , Reply# 62   3/15/2009 at 08:25 (5,519 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I choose....

Washing a filter once every six months with my DC21...

As opposed to emptying a Rainbow after each use...


Post# 62758 , Reply# 63   3/15/2009 at 08:34 (5,519 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
With Dyson...

...you only have to clean the filters every 6 months (or 1 month for the smaller models), not after each use. If you want, they'll email you a reminder so you don't forget, and for anyone who finds rinsing a piece of foam challenging, their helpline is available 7am-10pm 7 days a week, and someone will be happy to talk you through it :)

Post# 62760 , Reply# 64   3/15/2009 at 08:45 (5,519 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

I must agree. My dyson has never had a clog in the hose or piping and we have 2 long haired dogs and a cat! Also 2 birds me 13 and my bro 17 with all of our friends are dyson just keeps going. I think its the airflow. because its constant the dirt is just wipped in. I would much rather dump a clear polycarbonate bin everytime I vacuum then handle dust filthy filter bags and germ diseased water anyday of the week. My favorite about Dysons is the carrying handle. Before then how many vacuums had a carrying handle right in plain sight? IF there were most people didnt use them. My truely favorite thin is the stair hose. Never before could people clean the whole staircase while there vacuum stays at the bottom. No more of that balancing act of lifting and juggling. I will never use a water filtration vacuum ever. Good Idea but not hygenic and ready for tthe 21st century.

Post# 62761 , Reply# 65   3/15/2009 at 08:46 (5,519 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Oh im so glad about that...

I always wondered how to do that

(Sarcasm Alert!)


Post# 62763 , Reply# 66   3/15/2009 at 10:46 (5,519 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
vintage hoover- and metal vacuums

Vintage hoover, you picture above is just so nice! The hoovers look great!

And to prove metal is better-

These hoovers are near 100 years old, and have never really had any servicing done to them other than routine maintenance. Some never fail over their 70+ years of cleaning.

And my dyson died after around 9 months.

I also just cant see how my dyson always clogged up. And no one else's Dyson has?


Post# 62765 , Reply# 67   3/15/2009 at 11:48 (5,519 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Brandon - you say your Dyson died after 9 months...if your mom spent $500 on it, why didn't she get it repaired, free of charge, under the warranty?



Post# 62766 , Reply# 68   3/15/2009 at 12:03 (5,519 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Kirby

Because we had bought a kirby right after it died, and it was cleaning so much more.


And the warranty was good for nothing as the store closed, and my mom was not willing to fight with Dyson.


Post# 62767 , Reply# 69   3/15/2009 at 12:07 (5,519 days old) by shanonabc ()        

As long as you have your proof of purchase Dyson will be able to deal with the warranty...

Thats what Dyson Aus do anyway... The only time anyone else gets involved is when the customer actually goes to the store...


Post# 62768 , Reply# 70   3/15/2009 at 12:16 (5,519 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

So then you smashed the Dyson up with a golf club?

Post# 62770 , Reply# 71   3/15/2009 at 12:34 (5,519 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I dont understand that... Someone paid good money for that....

:S

Shan


Post# 62802 , Reply# 72   3/15/2009 at 17:04 (5,519 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
My mom wanted it gone?

Well it was my brothers idea, we had no prof of purchase, and it did not work, and we could not afford to fix it. It had been on craigslist for a week, and no answers.

So yes, it got the golf club. :S


Post# 62864 , Reply# 73   3/16/2009 at 15:52 (5,518 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Ok heres the scoop

The pre-motor filter on the Digital Motor Dyson models that are sold in the U.S. (DC22) have a light that will come on (and the motor will shut off) when the pre-motor ilter needs to be cleaned. In normal use, it takes about 7 years for it to get that dirty- since the Digital motor is spinning at 88,000RPM it creates such a high gravitational force in the 21 cyclones that practically all the dust is extracted that is going into the pre-motor filter.

No longer will the user have to think "How many months has this been-should I wash it now or next time?" The machine will tell you when its time. Now thats invoation working for you!!!!!!!!


Post# 62881 , Reply# 74   3/16/2009 at 20:08 (5,518 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        
Jack........................

I must say your Dyson collection is beautiful. The antartica solo is wonderfull. So is the Recyclone the cool thing is that thosse are very rare. Especially in the US. In fact you both are the only two I know that exist. They didnt make alot of them. I must say your Hoover and Dyson collection is beautiful. very nice.

Post# 62887 , Reply# 75   3/16/2009 at 21:12 (5,518 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Thank you, Evan - I've only been collecting Dysons for a relatively short time, but those are what I've managed to accumilate so far! Since that picture was taken, I've also acquired a DC02 Clear, and a Constant Max - videos of both of those are on my YouTube channel.

Also, in the past I've owned a DC01 Antarctica Solo (which I wish I still had!), and a DC14 All Floors, which sadly wore it's carbons out, so I stripped it of all removable spares and junked the rest!

The DC02 Antarctica Solo was made in a Limited Edition run of 100,000, each machine being numbered - mine's 24781. They do turn up on eBay from time to time, although it's unusual to find one which is complete. All I'm missing for mine is the manual.

The Recyclone is much, much rarer - I'm not sure how many were made, no one's ever been able to give me an answer on that! In 'Against the Odds', James Dyson mentions he's about to begin a limited edition run of 400 Recyclones, which were made from the recycled plastic of early factory rejects, unwanted test models etc. I don't know if they only ever made 400 in total, or if they stepped up production afterwards. I know they were only on sale for a short time, and so far I've only seen one other Recyclone in the UK.

They were supplied with a manual printed on recycled paper - a contact of mine at Dyson UK very kindly attempted to find one for me, and only managed to find one copy (which of course, they couldn't send!). They also came, not in a cardboard box, but a canvas sack, which the buyer could re-use for other purposes!


Post# 62889 , Reply# 76   3/16/2009 at 21:17 (5,518 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Dyson reading material...

...since knowledge is power! ;)

Post# 62891 , Reply# 77   3/16/2009 at 21:23 (5,518 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Dyson love their Limited Editions...

...they're really making it fun for collectors of the future :)

Post# 62937 , Reply# 78   3/17/2009 at 16:00 (5,517 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Jack i cana sk Tom tonight. I fanybody besides James Dyson knows it would be him. I will have a answer for you soon!

Post# 62986 , Reply# 79   3/17/2009 at 23:19 (5,517 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
My problem with the Dyson Motorhead canister.......

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When the first Dyson canister arrived in North America (with the troublesome turbo carpet nozzle), Consumer Reports rated it very well when it came to cleaning everything except carpets and rugs. Dyson indeed has an ongoing problem with cleaning carpets well, as good as they are with cleaning other surfaces. I have a major complaint about the new North American version of the Motorhead. I find the telescopic wand far too bulky to use, and you can not remove it from the hose to connect attachments directly to the hose, like you can with the non-power-nozzle version. So again, Dyson's attempts at adding carpet cleaning to a very good suction canister have failed in my opinion. What's the good of a canister vacuum if you can't dust a shelf full of books with ease - the non-removeable wand puts your hand much too far from the dusting brush to do this with ease.

Post# 63042 , Reply# 80   3/18/2009 at 18:35 (5,516 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
I had a Dyson DC11 for a spell.

I found it noisy, poor turbo carpet nozzle, hose seemed too short, and the exhaust Hepa filter kept 'popping' out of its clipped-in position.

Changing the subject, I should like to see a Dyson Digital Motor cleaner with core separation, cope with cold black soot from a fireplace. My bet is it won't. And the soot will bypass the cyclones, penetrate the filter, contaminate the motor, and dirty the exhaust filter. Just like it did to DC01, DC03 and DC11.


Post# 63043 , Reply# 81   3/18/2009 at 18:38 (5,516 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
DC11

That is one of my favorite dyson vacs. What are you asking for it?

Post# 63044 , Reply# 82   3/18/2009 at 18:47 (5,516 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Rolls_rapide:

I don't think you're meant to vacuum soot with any brand or style of cleaner - it sounds like it would make a horrible mess! In fact someone I know just threw out a perfectly good Sebo X1.1 because she'd used to to clean the fireplace and clogged the whole thing with soot! I would have offered to sort it out for her, but she'd dumped it before I heard about it :(

Post# 63054 , Reply# 83   3/18/2009 at 19:32 (5,516 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Soot

Nonsense, I've seen boiler maintenance blokes using vacuum cleaners to clean soot out of the works, ever since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. (We had oil-fired central heating in the early 70's, and I distinctly remember the guy using something that looked like a Goblin Aquavac).

More recently, I have seen a Numatic 'Henry' used for the same purpose.

Dyson instructions allude to using Dyson cleaners to pick up small amounts of powder, because they know that the machines cannot cope with large amounts.

Also, a DC05 was seen on BBC national television as not being able to cope with a load of soot. It was an episode of a project to build the most environmentally friendly and efficient house, somewhere in England, probably London, about 2001. Presented by Carol Vordermann.

The vacuum cleaner segment was presented by 'Ian Beale' from 'Eastenders', and three cleaning ladies got to use the machines.

One machine was the prototype Electrolux 'Trilobite' robotic cleaner. Another was the Dyson DC05 cylinder, and the last was an egg-shaped tank machine that converted into a 'coffee table' by means of a ring that sat upon it.

Test 1 involved cleaning cramped office space. The user of the Trilobite sat and watched it.

Test 2 was cleaning stairs. The Trilobite was placed on a tread but wouldn't work, as was to be expected. Egg/coffee table machine had a stretchable hose, but they couldn't get the cleaner to balance on a tread! Numpties! That was why that hose was present; to leave the machine at the bottom of the staircase.

Test 3 involved cleaning white rugs in a stately home, soiled with chimney soot. Dyson DC05 only picked up so much then it clogged. Egg-shaped machine picked up much more than the Dyson. The robot cleaner was slow, but it had good performance too, and you could see the rug was efficiently cleaned where the Trilobite had been.


Post# 63060 , Reply# 84   3/18/2009 at 20:10 (5,516 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

To clarify, I meant domestic vacuum cleaner - you might keep a Goblin Aquavac (etc.) in the garage for DIY clean-ups, but you wouldn't use it as an every day carpet cleaner, surely?!

I can't comment on the results of the tests shown on programme in question because I didn't see it.

As for the Trilobite, I'm not about to spend £1000 on a dustbuster-on-wheels which takes the fun out of me doing the vacuuming myself! I'd rather buy 5 regular vacs!


Post# 63215 , Reply# 85   3/20/2009 at 09:55 (5,514 days old) by hoover_elite_20 ()        
on a different note of all this

ok so i've been reading these posts and i'll bet that some of you dyson haters own a fathom vacuum, which we all knoe is extrememly closely related to a dyson and uses the ecact same technology

Post# 63230 , Reply# 86   3/20/2009 at 14:53 (5,514 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

No they use different technology. The Fantoms had dual cyclonic. Which worked Ok but the H.E.P.A filters clogged up and alot of dust went into the motors

Dysons DC07 and after all use 8 root cyclones. It has the one large cyclone that spins the large particles of dust, hair, fur, grit and so on. Then they go through the shroud (plastic piece with the little holes) and into the high efficency 7 cyclones. This spins nearly all the dust out of the air.

There is a big difference in how well they work. Very BIG difference.


Post# 63255 , Reply# 87   3/20/2009 at 17:12 (5,514 days old) by hoover_elite_20 ()        
i know this

but the same CONCEPT of centrifugal separation is on all dysons. some dysons even had dual cyclonic technology. the same puff of dust also happens when you empty them that all you complain about. They all use the same idea.

Post# 63259 , Reply# 88   3/20/2009 at 18:35 (5,514 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Yes the Dysons sold in the UK and England before the DC07 which would be the DC06 DC05 DC04 DCO3 DC02 and DC01 all had dual cyclonic action. I have found that if you would rather take out a common dust bag like a kirby or empty a compact or Filterqueeen I find its very easy to take it outside and shake the cyclones and dump it in the big garbage can.

Post# 63870 , Reply# 89   3/25/2009 at 08:51 (5,509 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Been a while since I have been on... As for the DC22DDM... I can't believe that... Not saying it is not true... I do believe you Evan... I suppose I have just gotten used to the whole 6 months thing and have trouble believing it could go seven years...

Am I rambling? Its 1am here and im tired... I think Im rambling lol


Post# 63894 , Reply# 90   3/25/2009 at 18:36 (5,509 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
DC06

That was Dyson's attempt at a robotic cleaner, but it never made it to the shops.

There was the price, for one thing; somewhere is the region of £2,500. Also, I was told that the battery capacity was dismal, causing the cleaner to run out of power after a very short time (something like 10 minutes).

Dyson call centre once suggested to me that possibly one or two DC06 cleaners were sold to wealthy Japanese businessmen.


Post# 63989 , Reply# 91   3/26/2009 at 17:54 (5,508 days old) by shanonabc ()        

DC06 was a great idea... I have a short video of James Dyson explaining it... Email shanoodle@me.com if anyone wants it...

Not sure about DC06 runtime but I know that it had enough oomph to clean an average sized room... And it charged in 45 minutes...

I have heard rumors about Dyson working on a corded DC06... Email me for that patent docco too ;)


Post# 64002 , Reply# 92   3/26/2009 at 20:13 (5,508 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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I can also testify that Dysons are one of the worst cleaners for losing suction after owning 4 of the pieces of that crap and use one in my part time job,

all different models suposedly improvements on the previous model and all have failed miserably.

Dyson did the only thing he could to make his cleaners look like they do something by using clear plastic bins and a cyclonic system that fluffs up dirt and triples it or more in volume.

While folk may fill their Dyson with each use the collected fluff is hardly compressed, which is why you empty the dust cannister so often.

Bagged cleaners compact the dirt hence why the bag dosnt need changing so often.

Im sure if bagless was the way then Miele would have used it a long time ago.

Not to mention that dysons brushrolls are useless at removing grit embedded in carpets.

Only today did I use my Miele cylinder in my part time cleaning job where I usually use a Dyson upright (which I also maintain regularly by washing the filters monthly or suction drops so dramtically)

The Miele literally wiped the floor with the Dyson and I ended up with 1/3 dustbag of grit and another 3rd of fluff.


Im now old and wise enough to know that a house cleaned with a Dyson is a dirty house.


~One day bagged cleaners will regain popularity when they are seen as a new and more hygienic way of managing dust.

BAGGED ALL THE WAY YEE HAW!!!!!


Post# 64005 , Reply# 93   3/26/2009 at 20:32 (5,508 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Hmm

Not sure if a convertible or that hoover would be my choice before a Dyson. Those are low end machines compared to some vacs today.Even dyson

Post# 64009 , Reply# 94   3/26/2009 at 21:30 (5,508 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

'I'm now old and wise enough to know that a house cleaned with a Dyson is a dirty house.'

I guess anyone who likes Dyson is just stupid, then Rob? Glad you're around to clear that up for us.


Post# 64012 , Reply# 95   3/26/2009 at 21:39 (5,508 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Dyson Approval

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I have a DC07 and actually enjoy it. Even though they may not be the best deep cleaners for those of us with real thick carpet pile, they are still great vacuums in my opinion. Even so, my DC07 does pull up a LOT of dirt and grit from the carpets. The suction at the hose end is pretty impressive, compared to other bagless vacuums I have tried. Everybody has their own view on different types of machines and their abilities. I’m actually craving a brand new Dyson to add to my collection.

Post# 64038 , Reply# 96   3/27/2009 at 15:19 (5,507 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

For once I would agree with Brandon I would take a broom over a hoover made after 1957 any day!!

Everybody makes a fuss over convertible I for one cant stand a convertible. I have never seen a company who was that hard headed that they would change the design. My dyson will repeatedly pull out more sand (which Hoover used to demo grit anyways!!!!) out of my carpeting then my hoover convertible Elite.

They have hardly any tool suction airflow isn't that great either.

Filtration- My cotton shirt will hold in more dust then those things. If I put my shirt over my mouth I could probably suck up more dust anyways.

Rob I really appreciate being called a idiot. If I or Jack because we both own Dyson are idiots then James Dyson is a idiot too? The person who invented the blade less ceiling fan. Yea a blade less ceiling fan. Of course Tom Gasko has one James sent it to him for free. Thats only 1 or the 8 new products being launched. The Funny thing is only 1 of the 8 is a vacuum cleaner. Dyson made washing machines and anymore is more known in a america then Hoover. Except Dyson isnt going to crash and burn.

Andrew you should really think about getting a DC17 they are awesome machines. The have the best brush roll of all Dyson and are actually designed to work at 110 volts. Since the other models were also sold in the UK and England they would run faster and the cyclones work much more efficiently. First time we brought our Dyson home I could not get it out of my mothers hands. She loved cleaning with it because it was just like a Fantom thunder just with 6 more cyclones and more airflow and suction.

I have been selling lots of machines to family and have been making a small profit. I opened a savings account and Im saving up to get a Dyson baby DC22. From of course Tom. It will have a incredibly low serial number because Tom was the first person to order them. It will have the Digital motor which will turn out more suction then 5-10 kirby combined. With almost 200" of water lift it will have as much as a central vacuum except your pulling it behind you. I will get it when me and My family travel to see Tom this summer at his house.

I must say I have not used a hoover for more then three months and Im not going through withdrawals. Jack you and I should not have graduated since were so stupid for owning a Dyson. Cheers to a vacuum that actually works.


Post# 64045 , Reply# 97   3/27/2009 at 15:44 (5,507 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

What's this Dyson bladeless ceiling fan, that sounds very intersting,, do you know more about it? something like the fan in the Dyson hand dryer maybe

Post# 64050 , Reply# 98   3/27/2009 at 16:28 (5,507 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Some of that famous "non-compressed" dust. No drop in suction. No bag to replace. Just 2 clicks and you're ready to go again.

Post# 64058 , Reply# 99   3/27/2009 at 17:44 (5,507 days old) by swingette ()        

Maybe the new Dyson uprights will change the perception that Dyson is poor at carpet cleaning. There is a legend about a VCCC meeting years ago where a Hoover Concept extracted quite a quantity of dirt out of a test carpet that had been cleaned by a Dyson. DC07, i think.

I used a DC07 in a commercial setting as a test. At the hotel where i work. Sounds like the DC17 has been vastly improved in terms of carpet cleaning.


Post# 64059 , Reply# 100   3/27/2009 at 18:32 (5,507 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I can understand that the Dyson's brush-roll might struggle with the thicker American carpets, since they were designed to cope with European flooring. Something's been 'lost in translation', as with the Clutch Control feature.

From what I've been told, the DC17, designed by Dyson specifically for American homes, got good results for carpet cleaning in Consumer Reports tests?

'Which? Magazine', our Consumer Reports equivalent, have been very enthusiastic about most Dyson models performance on carpets. Here are their star-ratings for each upright model tested:

DC07 - 4/5

DC14 All Floors - 5/5
DC14 Origin - 5/5

DC15 Animal - 4/5
DC15 All Floors - 4/5

DC18 Slim Allergy - 4/5
DC14 Slim All Floors - 4/5

DC24 All Floors - 5/5

DC25 Animal - 5/5


Post# 64060 , Reply# 101   3/27/2009 at 19:08 (5,507 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
100th post!

Well I am 101.

I wonder if this is the longest thread.

Good anyways.


I think the Dc17 is best for long carpet.


Post# 64061 , Reply# 102   3/27/2009 at 19:22 (5,507 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Plush carpeting seems to be disappearing in most homes nowadays at least from what I"m seeing. Anyone else agree? Mom still has her ankle deep stuff in the livingroom but everything else is back to hardwoods cept for the diningroom. The stuff in our livingroom is semi-plush and can't wait till the day it's gone but it's good for vacuum testing lol

Post# 64062 , Reply# 103   3/27/2009 at 19:25 (5,507 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

No I see alot of homes now with the long plush carpetting. I believe its called frieze (frezaaaa).

Post# 64063 , Reply# 104   3/27/2009 at 19:29 (5,507 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
Average

I think most houses have "short" shag. (kind of short, but not packed together- loose)

Post# 64168 , Reply# 105   3/28/2009 at 20:28 (5,506 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Us stupid Dyson owners lmao... Hilarious...

Jack... Im loving my 24... Yes... agree the "tool" could have been better designed though... I love how light it is :)

Evan... Question? Not meaning to sound rude but what is the deal with Serial 1 or low numbers? Its still a vacuum either way :S


Post# 64251 , Reply# 106   3/29/2009 at 08:56 (5,505 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
Vintage Hoover...what you say about the DC17 is correct.

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I just took a fast look at the Consumer Reports website (I have an online subcription). And indeed the Dyson DC17 Absolute Animal has a rating of "very good" for carpet cleaning.

CR has five levels of rating: poor, fair, good, very good and excellent. In the area of deep carpet cleaning, the only Dyson to rate a "very good" is the DC17 Absolute Animal - all the others rate only "good" in carpet cleaning. There are five other upright vacs that rate excellent in carpet cleaning and are actually cheaper than the Dyson DC17 which sells for $550. The better machines are all three versions of the new Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition, the unbelievably inexpensive Hoover Tempo Widepath ($80), and the Eureka Boss 4D.

There are two others which rate excellent at deep carpet cleaning, but they are more expensive than the Dyson DC17. They are the Kirby Sentria at $1350 and the Riccar Brilliance at $900.

Remember, I am only talking about the test for deep carpet cleaning, not any other feature like ease-of-use or filtration or noise level.

In the canister/cylinder/tank category, there are at least 10 other vacs that clean carpets better that the Dyson Stowaway DC23 and DC 21. These 2 Dysons rate only a "good" at cleaning carpet, whereas the Electrolux Oxygen married to a Eureka powernozzle rates "excellent" and actually costs less than the Dysons. The new bagged Hoover canister married to a Hoover Windtunnel power nozzle also outcleans the Dysons on carpeting.


Post# 64374 , Reply# 107   3/30/2009 at 04:15 (5,505 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
DC24...

...when I saw this in a store shortly after it came out, I just bought it on the spot! I'd only seen it in pictures before then, and I hadn't appreciated quite how small it was - like they'd taken a full-size Dyson and put it through a shrinking machine!

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Post# 64375 , Reply# 108   3/30/2009 at 04:17 (5,505 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Excerpt on Dyson models from latest copy (April 2009) of Which? Magazine:

Post# 64382 , Reply# 109   3/30/2009 at 09:42 (5,504 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Re the Which report above. What do the % percentages refer to?


Post# 64385 , Reply# 110   3/30/2009 at 10:12 (5,504 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'Re the Which report above. What do the % percentages re

The percentages refer to the cleaner's individual overall score out of 100. The score is generated thus:

Cleaning / filtration - 55%
Convenience - 35%
Noise and energy use - 10%

The highest-scoring cleaner in this particular report was the Bosch Home Professional canister, which achieved 81%. The second-highest was the Miele S 7210 with 76%.



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