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Kenmore twin fan curbside rescue
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Post# 60700   2/18/2009 at 16:12 (5,544 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

It was a damp and cold night and I spotted her all wet from the dew,in a box from her replacement,even had the attachments adaptor and hose,I cleaned a few hairs off the brushroll,replaced the belt,let the outer bag dry,put a new paper bag in and she's good as new, a great carpet groomer.

Post# 60703 , Reply# 1   2/18/2009 at 16:20 (5,544 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
WOW!!!

Thats a beauty!!!! Why would ANYONE throw away something so cool and in PURPLE of all things!! There must be a special hell for such freaks!!!!!......Bill in Az....

Post# 60707 , Reply# 2   2/18/2009 at 17:07 (5,544 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Thanks Bill, I guess some people have more money than sense,I collect bags and belts for machines I don't even have,so that wasn't a problem, I just wiped it off and tested a small spot with Mothers Polish,so it still needs a beauty treatment.

Post# 60709 , Reply# 3   2/18/2009 at 17:28 (5,544 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

My brother and ex-sis-in-law got one of those for a wedding present. Theirs was a blue and white one and was from what I remember, quite a screamer.

My brother commented he was glad to let the ex keep it when she moved out. Not to say your's wasn't a good find, she was just a bad wife and a vacuum was a cheap go-away-get-out-of-my-life token.


Post# 60710 , Reply# 4   2/18/2009 at 17:29 (5,544 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
Beautiful!

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What people throw out never ceases to amaze me. Saved just in time!

Post# 60721 , Reply# 5   2/18/2009 at 18:07 (5,544 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Yes Harley, It is a screamer,much like my Hoover Concepts,I wish all vacs were as quiet as a Lux or FQ, but when you add the power nozzle they are as noisy.

Post# 60722 , Reply# 6   2/18/2009 at 18:10 (5,544 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Hi Alan, It makes me think how many other good vacuums and appliances go to the crusher. Mark

Post# 60732 , Reply# 7   2/18/2009 at 20:50 (5,544 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
This thread is making me roll on the floor laughing!

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I love Swiveltop's title for this thread! "Curbside rescue".....hysterical!

And who knew we could categorize a whole community of vacs as "screamers"? It's so true! As much as I loved my parents' old basic Eureka Bravo "sans on-board tools" (excellent carpet cleaner), it was a real screamer too! Sounded like a jet engine on a 747........


Post# 60750 , Reply# 8   2/19/2009 at 00:12 (5,544 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Lux Power Nozzles:

"I wish all vacs were as quiet as a Lux or FQ, but when you add the power nozzle they are as noisy."

Lux especially. I have a Diamond Jubilee that is a great machine, very powerful, but the PN-5 makes it very noisy. My Model L has both a PN-1 and a PN-2; both are noisy. My daily driver, the TriStar CXL, has a very quiet PN that is a fantastic groomer, plus the canister's suction makes it clean very thoroughly. I recently got a Bissell ProHeat, and most new Bissell owners with pets end up pulling incredible amounts of pet hair out of their carpet the first time they use the machine. I got almost none, and my cat, Tony is a shedder dee-luxe.

So, it is possible to make a PN that cleans properly, yet doesn't sound like it's diesel-powered.


Post# 60752 , Reply# 9   2/19/2009 at 00:32 (5,544 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

I tired to type this response just a minute ago and right as I was finishing, I accidentally closed the Firefox window. Say what you will about IE, that never happened when I used it! Let's see if I can remember my post...

My Diamond Jubilee is a screamer too.

We had the Singer version of this Kenmore when I was growing up. I really love it... from the handle position being the power switch to the weird height knob to the huge headlight... a very cool vacuum. And, that IS a great color. Awesome find!

Just curious... what was the vacuum they were getting to replace this one with?



Post# 60757 , Reply# 10   2/19/2009 at 01:40 (5,544 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Vacuumfreeke:

My Diamond Jubilee is not all that loud when it's used for straight suction. It's louder than a 1205 or a G, but it's not all that bad, and it's powerful enough to suck the sheetrock off the studs. Only when you use the PN with it does it get really loud; Lux never could make quiet PN's. My PN-5 has new brushroll bearings, brushroll, and belt. Still noisy. It has to be their design.

On the other hand, my TriStar's PN got very quiet when I replaced all the wear parts in it. It has a nice, well-mannered hushed sound like you'd expect from a vac that was that expensive new. And the canister has the same suction that the Diamond Jubilee does.


Post# 60764 , Reply# 11   2/19/2009 at 10:29 (5,543 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
I wouldn't classify all vacuums as screamers

My Kirbys though louder than some, have a pleasant low pitch rumble, you know like a 440 Hemi with glass packs.

My Riccar Supralite, however, is high pitched and makes the dog bark when I use it. So to clairfy the twin fan was more of a high-pitched scream, much like my ex-sis-in-law. Hence, this was why my brother was glad to see both leave at the same time.

A Lux has almost a pleasant whisper quality about it, Ditto for FQ, Air-Way and The Riccar Cans.

The new Eureka, Bissell and Hoovers all tend to make the dog bark and leave the room, high pitched screamers.


Post# 60768 , Reply# 12   2/19/2009 at 12:37 (5,543 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

Yeah.... the Lux sounds good until you add the power nozzle!

Post# 60772 , Reply# 13   2/19/2009 at 13:17 (5,543 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Lux Power nozzles

are more whinners than screamers. Eureka sourced power nozzles, like used to be on the Rainbows are grumbly, but not unplesant.

I wonder if it's just the added effect of another motor running at the same time, and their sound signature amplifies each other?


Post# 60779 , Reply# 14   2/19/2009 at 14:20 (5,543 days old) by moparhemipower ()        
swiveltop, Mark...

OMG, I had that EXACT SAME Kenmore Twin Fan as a Kid, the EXACT SAME Kenmore, Color and all, so needless to say Mark, I'm both Jealous and Upset about you finding that one, as I have been looking for another for MANY Years now, MANY Years, then you happen to find this one, so I dunno, I'm kinda Depressed about it now you know. :( What's worse, is mine was in MINT CONDITION, but because of a Broken Belt and Worn Brush-Roll, my Mom threw mine away when I was at a Friend's House, so you know how that is. :( She threw my Purple Kenmore away and a Self-Propelled Kenmore Twin Fan "Magi-Cord" away, just because the Self-Propelled only wanted to work in Forward, so needless to say, I've never Forgiven her for that, as I LOVED those two Kenmore's of mine the BEST, VERY BEST Vacuum's I EVER had and seeing this one you found here now, just brought back all that Anger towards my Mom you know. :(


It's not that I'm not Happy for you Mark, it's just that I've been looking for this EXACT SAME Kenmore Twin Fan here for SOOO LONG, then all of a sudden, you happen to find the VERY SAME Kenmore I use to have, or at least one EXACTLY like it that is... Why couldn't I have been the one to have found it, especially when you weren't even looking for it or anything you know...? :/


Kenmore and Singer Twin Fans are honestly my FAVORITE Vacuums, as I was SURROUNDED by them as a Kid, unfortunately, I only have two now, a Kenmore sorta like this one here, but White and Gray, which has some problems, so I can't use it much and the Singer I have, well, is sorta UGLY, lol, so I'm looking to Trade it off maybe, I dunno, we'll see...?


Here is a Photo of the Kenmore I have now, but it doesn't Run very well, like I said, so I don't use it much, which makes me want this Purple one you found here even more-



Post# 60787 , Reply# 15   2/19/2009 at 18:27 (5,543 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Lux Powernozzles

Sandy, Your right about the lux PN's,The more plastic they used on the later ones made them louder,On my L-shaped one,I had to shim the brushroll end with a dime just to quiet the vibration,I like the PN1 the best,it has the metal base and since the handle doesen't have an upright position you can put more pressure on it and it seems to groom the carpet better,I still have one that I've had for about 20 years,I've used it on 2 1205's and an Olympia,it has a broken belt ,but I only put one on it in all those years.

Post# 60788 , Reply# 16   2/19/2009 at 18:41 (5,543 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Bobby, This one has the two speed switch in the handle,Most all of these vacs had the handle position switch, the replacement was probably of the bagless variety,it was early morning and still dark,so I couldn't see the box too good, but I can always spot a vacuum handle.

Post# 60789 , Reply# 17   2/19/2009 at 18:50 (5,543 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Harley, I know what you mean about the rumble of a Kirby, When it's making that sound you know it's adjusted properly and doing it's job,My Heritage Two small head model and my G3 both have a great rumble to them on all my carpets,the G3 seems to adjust better to bare floors.

Post# 60793 , Reply# 18   2/19/2009 at 20:59 (5,543 days old) by rugmaster37 ()        
Kenmore twin fan curbside rescue....

What a wonderful find. This was one of the very last of the Singer built Kenmores hailing from around 1992-93 or so. IT was no longer the TOL machine as they were heavily touting the larger Panasonic based WisperTone uprights, and their newer clean air, with TOB (tools on board) products then, but there I believe was still three models available for purchse for people who still liked them.

One was the bare bones model all white with a blue bag, single speed machine turned on by the old handle operated switch, no headlight short 16 ft. cord, and I believe a fixed height adjustment and the low early Twin Fan hood. The next one was in a dark blue same low hood design that was a single speed with headlight although all their machines had the smoked headlight lenses by then that had them, five position dial-a-knob, and a longer maybe 20 ft. cord.

Then there was this model which you have found that was The TOL two speeder, handle mounted switch, which I believe was a decision made becasue people beatched as did Consumer Reports about the momentary handle swuitch turning on and off when you maybe did not want it to do so while cleaning. It also used the taller and newer motor hood, with the smoked wraparound headlight, and I believe either a 25 of 30 ft, cord with some having a quick release upper cord hook. i see yours does not have it tho.... but I do remember the purple one being the TOL then.

Excellent find. And as Jeff parker used to say , these singers did NOT make the choir in pleasing vacuum sounds ....

Chad

Ann Arbor Michigan


Post# 60807 , Reply# 19   2/20/2009 at 11:51 (5,542 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Swiveltop:

Every Lux PN I've ever used - even those rebuilt with all-new wearing parts - has had a sound that is part rattle, part buzz, part whirr. I've known Lux techs to recommend shimming the brushroll bearings to get a PN quieter. I really love the sound of my TriStar's PN; it's very hushed, yet the carpet stands the hell up once it has been gone over with the TriStar.

You people are getting me very spoiled - I remember when I thought that a Lux was the very nicest canister you could buy, LOL!


Post# 60810 , Reply# 20   2/20/2009 at 13:54 (5,542 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

A quiet power nozzle is possible like the Hibbert one on my Samsung vac. It's no bigger than the turbo nozzle on the new Hoover Connie and it's for sake of argument silent. Quieter than the Connies turbo nozzle. Dave and Chad can back me up on that. Plus it works.

Post# 60834 , Reply# 21   2/21/2009 at 01:43 (5,542 days old) by rugmaster37 ()        
Dave and Chad can back me up on that.

YEs,

I was VERY impressed on the powerhead that your Samsung has. As I stated before we "used" to sell these a while back and they used a much larger head that reminded me of the miscengenation between a Eureka RotoMatic and a Filter Queen powernozzle. The ones we sold had a headlight too.

Yours was definitly a deal, as the price we used to ask for them I though a rip.... But that's all in MSRP's and profits and so forth. And for what they were worth, there were much worse options to choose from back then.

Chad

Ann Arbor Michigan


Post# 60848 , Reply# 22   2/21/2009 at 13:05 (5,541 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Kenmore model info

Thanks Chad for the info, I have a Wispertone Upright downstairs in the garage,It has the two motor system,I brought it up and tried it once and it didn't seem to groom the carpets well, I was using my Sharp alot then,It has the wider chrome agitator and electronic controls with the extra power button, so that Kenmore just didn't impress me,plus it had a musty smell from being in a friends damp garage,so back down it went. I had the Duo-Power green upright around 1979,I wish I still had that one, then my parents had the blue version,I don't think it was called a Duo-Power though, I can't remember what hard case models Sears offered

Post# 60849 , Reply# 23   2/21/2009 at 13:11 (5,541 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
oops

Hit the post button instead of preview, meant to say I can't remember what hardcase models they offered between the Whirlpool design and the Panasonic,or was there a gap there?

Post# 60853 , Reply# 24   2/21/2009 at 13:46 (5,541 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

My Miele plus has a pretty darn quiet power nozzle too. As does the Vorwerk upright.

Swiveltop... I forgot that some of them had the power switch on the handle instead of AS the handle! I too can spot a vacuum handle from a mile away. When I used to have time to go to yard sales, I would drive until I spotted one. No clothes and dusty precious moments figures for me thanks!


Post# 60855 , Reply# 25   2/21/2009 at 13:52 (5,541 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Tri Star

Sandy, Now I want a Tri Star, LOL. Here is my Lux Olympia, it was pretty nice when I found it so I detailed it and resprayed the powernozzle, It replaced one that I used daily for 12 years,the switch was stuck on and the leaky woven hose was wrapped with duct tape,still works,deserves a restoration one day. Now that the "new" one is all detailed I haven't used it.

Post# 60865 , Reply# 26   2/21/2009 at 20:09 (5,541 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Swiveltop:

A TriStar is a very nice machine. There are some areas in which a Lux is a little nicer, though. Mainly, it's the hose and tool system. A real Lux hose has a suction adjustment, which the TriStar does not have, although the upholstery attachment on a TriStar does have a little detachable grille to keep curtains, etc. from being sucked into the tool. You remove the grille to vacuum upholstery with full suction.

Another area is the floor/rug tool system. The Lux system, with the flip-over tool, is very easy to use. A TriStar has two separate tools, not quite as convenient, although the TriStar tools' quality (and design!) is still straight out of 1954 - very high indeed. The Lux floor/rug tool has a lower profile, and can get under furniture that the TriStar cannot.

Pluses for the TriStar include its quadruple filtration system (cloth bag, paper bag, motor filter and afterfilter), and its quiet, "expensive" sound. Next to most vacs, a TriStar sounds like a BMW compared to an old Pinto. I can tell you that when I use the TriStar, I don't see dust again nearly as fast as I do with a Lux, or any other non-HEPA vacuum, for that matter.


Post# 60866 , Reply# 27   2/21/2009 at 20:11 (5,541 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.S., Swiveltop:

That Olympia is really, really gorgeous. Nice work!

Post# 60885 , Reply# 28   2/21/2009 at 21:02 (5,541 days old) by moparhemipower ()        
Hey Mark!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I just read your email and will Reply to it ASAP, but I have to wait till my Desktop PC Restarts and all, cuz well, it's not working right at this time, kinda SLOW, so I'm using my Wii AGAIN, lol and I can't really Type much with it in email, so give me a few Hours and then look for an email from me back, once I'm back on my Desktop and all, which HOPEFULLY, won't take as long as I think, lol!

Plus, it's like you read in that other Topic, Sam's Thread I believe, I am having MAJOR PC and email Issues, so if you got 4 emails from me, that's why, lol, I mean, I didn't think they were going through, but I'm GLAD you got yours and Replied back, talk to you later and THANKS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

James C. Gockel


Post# 60888 , Reply# 29   2/21/2009 at 21:30 (5,541 days old) by moparhemipower ()        
BTW...

While I'm here Mark, you told me you have another Twin Fan Kenmore IDENTICAL to this one and although I think I've seen it before, would you mind at all Posting a Photo of it for me...? ;) I'm sure it looks EXACTLY like this one here, but you know how it is, I kinda want to see a Photo of it anyway, if you have the time to take a Photo, cuz well, it's that whole curiosity thing, lol!

I'll tell yah Mark, when I found out, that my Mom threw out my Purple Kenmore, I never thought I'd see another EXACTLY the SAME, let alone two of them and in the same House even, lol!

THANKS again!

James C. Gockel


Post# 60893 , Reply# 30   2/21/2009 at 22:50 (5,541 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Making it a weekend project to sort & separate into new locations, to clear up main floor space...because there were so many uprights in the piano room I couldn't get to the pianos to play rolls.

Set up a Singer/Kenmore/Eureka stall in the basement and all the Hoovers are lining up in the attic space with the Sunbeams.

For now, these are my Kenmore 2 speed and the Sunbeam Psycobag twinfans. The Singer was a gift from xraytech Sam Geresti to go with Elphaba, the Challenged Sunbeam. Thanks Sam - Love the carpet height mechanism that rotates both axles in a way that rocks & tilts the vacuum, rather than simply lifting one axle. While both look alike up top they are quite different underneath the roll plate. Neato. I'm on the lookout for a headlight lens...


Post# 60894 , Reply# 31   2/21/2009 at 22:54 (5,541 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Elphaba's sister needs a good hosing down. Looks to me like the lens is a standard shared part?

Post# 60918 , Reply# 32   2/22/2009 at 19:47 (5,540 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Olympia

Thanks Sandy, I also have a model L that cleaned up really nice,I was a little confused about the models for a while,I thought it was older than my E or G, then learned it is the economy model sold alongside the 1205,great suction,very simple,I had some pics on my computer but lost at the moment,thanks for the Tri Star info,The fabric tool has to be better than the Lux's,are the wands the same so you can use the Lux tools, I have favorite tools from each machine so if it fits I use it.

Post# 60919 , Reply# 33   2/22/2009 at 19:51 (5,540 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Hi James, I'll watch for your e-mail

Post# 60920 , Reply# 34   2/22/2009 at 19:57 (5,540 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Sumbeam

Hi Dave, That looks like a real heavy duty twin fan upright,I remember that 70's mod bag on the Kenmores of that era, That hood looks unique,it is taller like the latter one but but has the casting on the metal base like the first low hood models,rare find.

Post# 60936 , Reply# 35   2/23/2009 at 00:28 (5,540 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Swiveltop:

Lux tools won't work on a TriStar. The reason is that TriStar uses a lock button system on its wands and tools. While you can get a Lux tool onto a TriStar wand, the wand's button will jam inside the neck of the Lux tool, making it difficult to remove. The problem is particularly bad with the Lux floor/rug tool.

Now if you go back to when TriStars were called Compact, then you have wands that don't have lock buttons, and Lux tools would work fine there. The trade-off would be that not many Compacts had PNs, or power ports for a PN. Some do, though, so you might luck up on one with a PN port (Aeoliandave recently found one, I think, so they're still out there) and could have a "custom" vac with the combination of tools you want.


Post# 61272 , Reply# 36   2/28/2009 at 02:30 (5,535 days old) by moparhemipower ()        
Mark...

Hey, I emailed you back like I said I would, but haven't heard back from you yet, in fact, I haven't seen you Online lately at all, so I figured that you are busy now or something...? Anyway, I'm going to email you again today, after I do a few Post here or something, so as soon as you read my email, Reply back ASAP and we'll talk again Buddy!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

James C. Gockel


Post# 61288 , Reply# 37   2/28/2009 at 09:34 (5,534 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Sandy

Thanks for the Tristar/Compact info, now I know what to look for. Mark

Post# 61289 , Reply# 38   2/28/2009 at 09:50 (5,534 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
James

I will e-mail back in a few minutes,It has been a busy week,I have the Washer bug also,so thanks to Craigslist I found a near mint 80's Maytag washer for $10.00,It wouldn't agitate so I spent the next day solving that problem, Also a vintage GE dryer,picked up both in the same town,about an hour and a half round trip, but from two different people on two different days. Mark


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