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Post# 56427   12/18/2008 at 20:37 (5,600 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)        

Hi all today i was watching a utube video about miele vacuum's high filtration. The salesman used a dust meter to measure the amount of dust escaping from a new kenmore hepa canister, then a miele Capricorn canister. The miele put out zero emissions after a few seconds, this is very impressive to some one who doesn't work on vacuums but in my experience after any vacuum is used the dust will escape from the bag and will deposit inside the fans and motor. This dust will soon start filling the filter and then escape back into the air thus making this expensive vacuum no more clean running over time then the less expensive kenmore.
The moral to this story is vacuum often and change your bags and filters often and get your vacuum serviced and cleaned often to keep dust levels low in your vacuum.

Post# 56457 , Reply# 1   12/19/2008 at 11:22 (5,600 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Something to Remember About HEPA:

 For the average person, HEPA is much more of a sales tool than a needed feature. What HEPA filtration does is to filter out extremely fine particulates, such as the droppings from dust mites. Those droppings are only one-twentieth the size of the mites themselves, and they are what cause the dread "dust mite" allergic reaction, not the mites. For people with allergies like this, HEPA makes sense.

But for most of us who have healthy immune systems and no major allergies, HEPA is not really needed, it's very expensive, and it doesn't really do much for you. Allergy sufferers typically have their houses set up with the least possible amount of dust-catching material (no rugs, etc.), and they vacuum a lot (and very thoruoughly), because they have to or they can't breathe. Most of us have much more typical houses, with wall-to-wall carpeting, lots of upholstered furniture, and plenty of stuff to catch dust. Vacuuming this kind of environment thoroughly takes much more time and effort than most people can (or will) devote to it.

And guess what? If you don't vacuum everything - very well - then you might as well not vacuum at all, from the standpoint of getting the "benefits" of HEPA. You may have gotten every last particle off the coffee table, but if you don't vacuum under the sofa (and every bit of the sofa, including the black fabric underneath it that hides the springs), you're still leaving particulate matter in the room. Added to this is the absolute impossibility of getting every last bit of particulate matter out of carpeting; how many times have we all tried a new vacuum on carpet we thought was being cleaned properly, and found dust the old cleaner had missed?

With all that in mind, I'm glad for allergy sufferers that HEPA is available. But most people don't really need it, and won't really avail themselves of its benefits anyway, because they aren't that hell-bent on vacuuming thoroughly. So why spend the money?

Post# 56522 , Reply# 2   12/20/2008 at 05:45 (5,599 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do Hepa vacuums stay hepa?

 I agree with Sandy. Just because a vacuum advertises as Hepa may indicate what the "HEPA" FILTER will trap but if the vacuum is not sealed properly it can still spew a lot of fine dust. I also saw an advertisement saying their machine exhaustes air that is 150 times cleaner than the air in your house. Now that seems like a useless claim. Who's house and it could be 150 times cleaner and still be dumping dirt back in the air.
I really noticed the difference in vacuums spewing dust after we moved into the new house. I can't see why anyone would want to spend time cleaning and just have to start all over the next day with fine dust on the furniture and blinds and every surface of the room.
Some of the vacs I have that "seem" to do a better job at filtering and oders are:
(I am basing this on no dust in bag compartment and no oder and no dust on filters. These may not be what I consider the BEST at picking up or my FAVORITE to use vacs)
(1) Hoover Connie with Hepa bag
(2) H2o turbo water vac
(3) Air-Ways
(4) Kirby with hepa bag
(5) Oreck XL (hate that machine)
)
Some of my worst offenders:
(1) Hoover 28
(2) Hoover Spirit Canister (love the vac)
(3) Electrolux (just smells after a couple of uses)
(4) Older Kirby with cloth bag
(5) Grandma's Hoover Concept One (but it does pick up fast)
One of the worst was a new machine I got that the hepa bag seemed ok but the hepa filter was dirty after only a couple of uses and the machines had an oder only after 2-3 uses.


Post# 56524 , Reply# 3   12/20/2008 at 07:44 (5,599 days old) by samotronic ()        
Another offender - Hoover Anniversary "convertible"

 One of the worst offenders that I have seen is the new Hoover Anniversary "Convertible" aka Saavy. This has a hepa filter and I use the hepa bags, but still smell dust when I use it, dust accumulates on the outside of the bag canister and the best indication, my contact lenses are instantly uncomfortable. I also have an original Saavy which, unlike most users, I have liked very much and it is absolutely great at filtration. I did try the bag canister from the Saavy on the HAC and it definitely fit more securely than the one that came with it and minimized the emissions but did not eliminate it. The emissions come out of the bag compartment before they ever hit the hepa filter.

Post# 56530 , Reply# 4   12/20/2008 at 12:55 (5,599 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do Hepa vacuums stay hepa?

 I wasn't going to bring it up again but since you did-I had the same problem with my Anniversary Hoover Convertible.The Hepa bag WILL NOT stay attached to the tube. Hense the second you turn the vacuum on you have dust all in the container and on the hepa filter. I took mine to a Hoover repair station and their fix was to use regular bags (which did work) but now you have defeated the purpose of buying a $249.00 hepa machine. I had the same problem in reverse with the canister. It will work with the hepa bag but not the regular Hoover bags which the instruction book tells you will work.
If we vacuum nuts can't get it to work can you imagine what happens when a regular buyer tries to get these to work. This is a basic design flaw.I have had no trouble with the Windtunnel or new Constelations just the Convertible and canister models.

Post# 56533 , Reply# 5   12/20/2008 at 13:30 (5,599 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

What makes me mad is that everybdoy complains about hepa. Well if it wasnt for hepa alot of people couldnt use the same vacuum. Everybdoy here knmows that miele is probably one of the best vacuums on earth for canister. Filter queen has filtration 3 times as good as hepa. Now are you going to complain that some companys actually care about how well there machines work. Look at kirby. Nobody gripes about them but in my opinion they are the worst vacuum ever. There no where near hepa. The bags may be hepa material but how the design is set up there are 3 seals on that machine. Watch the video the dirt comes right out of the tube. There is no seal between the fill tube or the bag. no seal=air leak. Everybody knows that.

Hepa filters changed that vacuum industry forever. Those filters trap more dust and germs than a bag could ever. Filter queens use cellulose filter fiber cones. LYDAR medipure cones that removes odors. On my kirbys unless I use it everyday(with hepa bags). There is always a odor. With my filter queen never a odor. Yet on Kirbys website they say it helps eliminate odors. WHy make false claims? They need to sell a 2,600 dollar piece of metal.

Then Im told about how people dont like Filter Queen cause there all plastic. Then you hear how there to heavy. So what do you want durability or lightweight?

Then everybody complains about Dyson. Dysons are going to take over the retail store vac world. Kmart, Wal Mart, Sams Club, Sears and everywhere there are dyson vacuums. We all nead to realize. James Dyson reinvented the best thing on earth. THe cyclonic dirt seperation will be around more years then bags will ever be. Im sorry Im flipping out but people need to realize there will never be a perfect vacuum. Dont complain about them
Evan Strittmatter
Filter queen King
VCA member.

Post# 56535 , Reply# 6   12/20/2008 at 15:03 (5,598 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Evan...

 you've raised many points in your post - it seems there's more to your frustration than just the discussion in this thread.

I don't see the harm in healthy discussion about the pros and cons of different brands, models and features, as long as it's done fairly and respectfully. How would design and technology ever progress at all unless we looked critically at what existed already and tried to make improvements?

I don't think anyone was complaining about HEPA in a vindictive way - they were simply discussing the design flaws of some machines which reduce it's effectiveness. Unless the system is totally sealed, some allergens may escape, which is obviously frustrating for consumers who have paid extra for a HEPA-equipped machine. However, for people who don't suffer from allergy-related conditions, it may not matter at all. They should feel frustrated at being persuaded to pay extra for a feature they don't need.

Kirbykid63 also made the very valid point that unless you vacuum everything, everywhere, every time, you're not really removing all the allergens anyway. For people who suffer very badly from allergies, a vacuum cleaner with a high level of filtration is essential, but it's just one of the weapons in the battle against their condition.

People who suffer to that degree have to have their needs catered for, but filteration of that level is not necessary for many buyers. Allergies are used in the marketing of vacuum cleaners today much as the fear of germs and disease were back in the 1920s.

As far as Dyson is concerned, they have their good points and bad points, like any other machine - I should know, I have 9 of them. Like you say, there's no perfect cleaner, despite what some people may think. You also say on your profile that the Kirby VAC-U-ETTE cleans better than a Dyson - so perhaps Kmart, Wal Mart, Sams Club, Sears etc. should start stocking them instead?

Jack Copp
The Vintage Hoover Emporium
'Forget it, Jake - it's China Town...'

Post# 56538 , Reply# 7   12/20/2008 at 15:43 (5,598 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

HMMMMMMM wasnt it you video on your carpet that a dyson dc03 pulled out alot of fluff and lint and grit from your carpet. HMMMMMMMM Maybe the dyson cleans better then say your daily driver. Who knows but I know facts dont lie.Any comment for that. That looks like alot of fluff that about 40 hoovers missed. Dont you think?

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbyboy1's LINK
Post# 56539 , Reply# 8   12/20/2008 at 16:07 (5,598 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

Jack that is a really nice machine you have there. though I have not seen one over here in the US yet. are they a good powerful unit??
Mike

Post# 56541 , Reply# 9   12/20/2008 at 16:14 (5,598 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do Hepa vacuums stay hepa?

 Evan,
I am missing your point. I DO like the hepa machines. The problem I had was a design problem where the machine would not operate as the maker claimed. I am going to complain when I paid $250.00 for a product that does not work.
I agree with you that there is no one "perfect" vacuum for everybody. If you are a tank person you will never be happy with an upright. I can see good points to almost every make machine. We were a 3 generation Air-Way family but now I have yards of carpeting so I prefer my Kirby.
I have always heard good things about the Filter Queen. The only drawback I have ever heard is that they are heavy and have a tendency to tip over. I didn't realize they were plastic. I would to like own a Filter Queen someday.
I think the only machine I really don't care for is the Oreck but there are vac collectors who really love them.
I liked the concept of the Dyson but it damaged my rugs. It was just too aggressive for my rugs. Hope this helps clear my post up a little for you.
Rob


Post# 56542 , Reply# 10   12/20/2008 at 16:21 (5,598 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

I never wanted to get mad at you. I think your collection is awesome. Its just we all have to look at this. HEPA is a word that is in most vacuums today. Very few work but miele,sebo,filter queen,dyson and very few hoovers reallly have a sealed system. There are others out there but we need to realize that To some people a HEPA filter is needed.

Post# 56545 , Reply# 11   12/20/2008 at 17:47 (5,598 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
It's True!

 If you need HEPA, then you need HEPA, and I'm glad it's there for those who do.

But one thing I've noticed about vacuum purchasers - particularly those who buy high-end direct-sales machines - is that they forget the most important thing about vacuum cleaners: You have to get behind them and push!

For a lot of people, buying a Filter Queen or Rainbow or TriStar or Lux Guardian or Miele is an expression of their ego, not their actual needs. I have a neighbour with a TriStar Mg2 - a $2600 machine. To say that her house isn't as clean as it could be is an understatement - you could grow crops in her carpet, I think. Evidently, her thinking was, if she bought the most expensive machine she could get her hands on, she'd contributed enough to the housekeeping effort by doing that. Actually using the thing is work, and I don't think she wants to get involved with that, LOL.

An awful lot of people out there subscribe to the Roseanne Barr school of vacuuming: "I ain't vacuuming until Sears comes out with one you can ride!"

Post# 56546 , Reply# 12   12/20/2008 at 17:51 (5,598 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

Yes I know. I gave my neighbor a FIlter queen majestic. She never uses it. I use it every time I go over. She obiously doesnt care.

Post# 56551 , Reply# 13   12/20/2008 at 19:09 (5,598 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)        
my point is

 My point is in my experiance of dissembling and repairing machines I find that they all seem to build up dust in their motors and fans so I don't believe hepa vacuums stay hepa for long.

Richard

Post# 56552 , Reply# 14   12/20/2008 at 21:51 (5,598 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Evan, if all your posts are going to be in the same tone as your reply above, I won't bother trying to have a sensible discussion with you. I didn't say anything to provoke that kind of sarcasm. Lighten up and stop being so defensive.

Since the DC03 wasn't sold in the US, I'll assume you've never used one, and can't relate any personal experience of their performance. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that.

The DC03 has a small 700w motor, which generates 90aw. Compare this to - for example - a DC07 or DC14, which each generate 280aw. Also, the brush-roll is quite poor. In my experience, I've found the round brush-roll, as used on the DC07/14 Origin models, performs much better.

The DC03 in the video had already been used to clean my whole house when I shot that video. The amount of fluff in the canister is what it managed to pull out of all the rooms, not just the living room, where I made the film. And these were rooms I hadn't cleaned in a week, not one I'd just gone over with a 'daily driver'. To reiterate, it wasn't empty when I started filming, and it wasn't picking up 'what 40 Hoovers had missed' (which implies I used 40 consecutively beforehand...rest assured I did not!). My videos represent various brands and models from different points in vacuum cleaner history, and show people what they look and sound like in use. They're not intended as scientific performance comparisons.

In future, please don't try to throw 'facts' at me when you don't know what they are.

Post# 56553 , Reply# 15   12/20/2008 at 22:06 (5,598 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

thank you jack for the info on the dc03 it really is an intresting model
mike

Post# 56562 , Reply# 16   12/20/2008 at 22:57 (5,598 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Hi Mike,

 here's some more pictures of the DC03 Clear. I've posted them in a new thread so this one doesn't go any further off topic.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO vintagehoover's LINK
Post# 56572 , Reply# 17   12/21/2008 at 02:01 (5,598 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Do "Hepa" vacuums stay HEPA? for "Home" type machines may be questionable with use.esp ones with plastic bodies.remember plastic ages and as it does-it warps or cracks.and depends on the care given to the machine by the user.the bags and filters MUST be changed according to the manufatuerrs schedules.and of course-yes the machine has to be used.
I don't consider ANY bagless vacuum cleaner to be HEPA--Why?anytime you open and empty the dirt cup-all of that fine dust and dirt you just picked up got disperesed into the air again--unless you emptied the container outdoors into the trash.--or if in the country out in the woods somewhere.also ANY bagless machines i have seen brought into any of the vac places I go to ARE A MESS!Bodies very dusty and dirty-I don't think that is "HEPA" no matter what the vac builder says about the machine.Last week I saw the DIRTIEST Dyson you could ever see-A DC18-the machine was brought in by a woman whose family members use the machine in turn-she has a "duty roster" in her home for the family members to follow-I had to do that as a kid-was good-you can learn housekeeping duties that way-but the machine I saw was ABUSED.the vac store owner convinced her to buy another Dyson vacuum-a rebuilt DC07.Her DC18 got trashed-the body was cracked in many places-so the air flow was poor-and the dust cup filter gasket and gasket seat was broken buy a user banging the end of the dirt cup on the edge of the garbage can to get all of the dirt out of the container.she said she would take care of the vacuuming duties when she took the DC-07 home she just bought.Good idea she was convinced by the vac store owner and myself to do that.--or at least teach the other users how to properly empty the dirt cup.and on the dyson filters-when I did use the few models I have-I just REPLACED the filter rather than trying to wash it out.Better to treat them as disposable than washing them-esp if you have pets.You can sure tell ANY bagless vac that came from a pet houshold-it SMELLS like the pet!

Post# 56573 , Reply# 18   12/21/2008 at 04:24 (5,598 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do hepa vacs stay hepa

 Rex,
You brought some vary valid points. A lot depends on how a machine is cared for and used. Sometimes we collectors forget how in real life most machines are treated,abused and never cleaned out.
I had this proven to me when several years ago I visited a club member and spent just one day in his shop and watched customers bring in their machines for repair. It was shocking to see the condition of the machines. Some expensive and some cheap but all stuffed with dirt.
I have the same concern with the bagless machines that you brought up. How can ANY machine be a good choice for someone sensitive to dust if they have to open it up and dump the dirt?
Of the machines I have in my collection I think several like the Electrolux,Air-Way,Oreck seem to have better bags for not inhaling the dirt when handling the bags. This doesn't indicate to me that these would be the "best" vacuums but I don't seem to be exposed to the dirt when changing their dust containers.
Also I have a H2o Turbo TV vac that I love and is one of the most fun to use and there is NO dirt anywhere on the machine or filter BUT this is an example of a vac that would NOT last if it were not taken care of properly. If a vacuum is going into a household with several users and a lot of abuse it'spretty hard to beat the old metal Hoover Convertibles or Electrolux and Kirbys. In the end its a question of personal choice. As a collector I enjoy them all! As another vac collector posted a while back-He never knew anyone to die from a little vacuum dust. I was very allergic when I was small,but I grew out of it and still mess with old vacuums.
Glad to have made so many friends in the club!

Post# 56591 , Reply# 19   12/21/2008 at 09:08 (5,598 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware)        
using good quality bags helps

 You can greatly improve the filtering performance of your older kirby's " 1cr - 1HD " by replacing the emptors with the heritage 2 style mini emptor and fill tube. this emptor is one piece and doesnt leak dust out the bottom like the older pan style emptors, also use the micron magic or micron hepa bags these keep more dust in the bag.

Post# 56696 , Reply# 20   12/22/2008 at 00:28 (5,597 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Water filter vacuums-these tend to be abused more than the dry bagless ones-the owner has to follow the makers procedures to the letter to get the best use of the machine-otherwise he would be better off with a bagged vacuum.Use it and throw it in the closet users should not go near water trap vacuums.If these are abused horrible odors and corroded motors are sure to result.If water trap vacuums are used properly-they can work well.I like my bagged machines better-even though I do have several Rainbows in my collection.Water vacuums can be messy.
I can agree on the improvment of filtration on the older Kirby models by using Heritage type#2min emptor and fill assembly-use the whole bagged assembly on my older Kirbys-works great.and it can work with the Filtrete bags.filters better and holds more-and its kinda fun to see the dirt and stuff go thru the translucent mini emptor into the bag.Oh yes when we had our duty roster as a kid-we had a Kirby 511-I looked FORWARD to the vacuuming duty!and Dad had us empty the bag into one of the flowerbeds!The vacuum dirt did make interesting fertilizer.

Post# 56701 , Reply# 21   12/22/2008 at 06:38 (5,597 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
I Have to Say:

 I'm very impressed after nine months of owning my TriStar CXL - it stays cleaner inside than any other vac I've ever owned. This generation of TriStar had quadruple conventional filtration; there is a cloth bag, a paper bag that goes inside the cloth one, a motor filter, and an exhaust filter. There is virtually no dust inside the machine, ever. Dust does not re-appear in the room shortly after vacuuming, the way it does with other machines. While I don't consider this a HEPA machine (though HEPA bags and filters are available for it), it's very good about filtering out the nasties.

New TriStars (the Mg Series) are HEPA, and they have one huge advantage over a lot of other brands - they're still cast metal (the aluminium-magnesium alloy that has always been used on Compact/TriStar machines), not plastic, and therefore far less likely to begin leaking due to fatiguing of the body material. The one problem you could run into is dropping one onto a hard surface; it is possible to crack a TriStar body by doing that. However, TriStar makes replacement body sections available, so the machine can be repaired. Try that with some of the plastic-body machines!

Post# 56723 , Reply# 22   12/22/2008 at 18:07 (5,596 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        
Evan,

 I have almost 20 Kirby's, one of my best Kirby's is a 1987 Heritage II. I use either Kirby's second best, or the best HEPA bags in it. First if all, I've never seen any dust coming out of the fill tube as you say.

I also have 5 G series Kirby's, again, I've never seen a speck of dust that came out of the fill tube.

You think Kirby's have some "stank", eh? Sometimes it's true, mostly with the regular paper bags. My Sentria smelled a little funky with the second best HEPA bags in it, only because I hadn't used it in one and a half months. My G5 has the best in it, I just recently turned it on, I hadn't turned it on in ATLEAST 3 months, absolutely no smell at all.

I've used a Filter Queen before, it had a clean cone and everything, even then, it smelled like somebody had sucked up diarrhea, and it worked up my brother's allergies severely. Over all I was not impressed. I'm not trying to make you mad here, but since it was a trade in, nobody wanted it, it got thrown in the dumpster out back.

I'm with Jack, lighten up and stop being so defensive, please.

~Alex Elliott,
Kirby Master, FQ'S worst nightmare.

Post# 56725 , Reply# 23   12/22/2008 at 18:18 (5,596 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

WOW Alex its sad that your have to bring up your childish fight on here. I can tell you have matured at all. I just have one question then why was filter queen certified by 3 independent labratorys to be 3 times better then hepa? I guess the guys in the clean room must be idiots while you who has never used one because you told me you never did knows everything about hepa filtration. One question do you even know what hepa means. NO you dont. So before you open your dumbass mouth I would suggest researching the facts. Good bye mr Alex I hope your sentrias transmission breaks and you cant find another. Good day/
Evan Strittmatter
Antonym of a dumbass unlike Alex

Post# 56726 , Reply# 24   12/22/2008 at 18:22 (5,596 days old) by kirbyboy1 ()        

Also my filter queen will out clean a kirby anyday. It doesnt matter. Kirbys dont clean there the worst vac ever.

Post# 56744 , Reply# 25   12/22/2008 at 20:20 (5,596 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Darlin' boy, if Kirbys are the worst vac ever why is your screen name kirbyboy1? No information in the profile?

One suspects 99% that this is NOT Evan Strittmatter posting & goading. Don't fall for it, Alex. 'Evan' - post a picture showing you with today's newspaper.

One suggestion that will serve you well whoever you are or wish to be - turn on the spellchecker.

Dave, who has been around the block more than a few times.

Post# 56745 , Reply# 26   12/22/2008 at 21:01 (5,596 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Dave,

Haha, I was thinking the same thing! Why is your screen name kirbyboy1 if Kirby's are so bad?!!

I'm pretty sure it's him though, being that he's even been like this on AIM.

But it's all in the past now, either he deleted his account or he got kicked out.

Merry Christmas, and happy vacuuming all!
~Alex.

Ps, it wouldn't hurt Evan to use a spell check once and a while, and find out what a antonym is.

Post# 56753 , Reply# 27   12/22/2008 at 23:35 (5,596 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
"Antonym of a dumbass unlike Alex"

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Since there's no grammar or sentence structure logic at play here from the self appointed FQ Princess, let's parse this phrase, shall we?

An antonym being a word of opposite meaning, 'Antonym of a dumbass' would be a smartass.

'unlike Alex' would indicate that Alex is neither. This is known as a backhanded compliment, intended or not. And in readable fact of the word on the page Alex's opinions (as well as Bill, Chris, Dave, Jack, Mike, Rex, Richard and Sandy's) come across as carefully considered and balanced based on comprehensive real world experience. Congratulations Alex.

Post# 56755 , Reply# 28   12/23/2008 at 00:03 (5,596 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Another thing he said was "I can tell you have matured at all", I don't see an "n't" at the end of that "have". So gee, thanks for the nice compliment Evan!

I'm just happy it's peaceful now, with the FQ princess gone. At least I know how to spell, and I know how to use grammar.

Oh yes, FQ Princess, about my Sentria's transmission, I highly doubt it will brake, "cuz" it's not made of plastic like your precious little Filter Queens. Even if it did, my best buddy at the local Kirby service center has a box of 5 brand new ones, and I always get 15% off everything!

I think he's just jealous, being that he doesn't have the newest model of Kirby, and that any Kirby could clean better than an FQ.

I'm pretty much done now, I don't want to get kicked out and I don't want to forums taken away!

(PS, ran my spell check before this was posted, something the FQ Princess has never done in his/her life)

Merry Christmas, and Happy Vintage-Vacuuming to all!

Post# 56757 , Reply# 29   12/23/2008 at 00:14 (5,596 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

Just my 2 cents.
Merry Christmas to you too. and to think that a 14 yr old could tell people off that are twice his/her age. I think someone should call his/her parents and let them know what they are dealing with. I could tell you right now "It is not normal"
and alex you are right!!!! it is nice and quiet now that the nagging is done. lol
Merry christmas to all.

Post# 56758 , Reply# 30   12/23/2008 at 00:15 (5,596 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

by the way dave how many inches of snow did you get up there???

Post# 56759 , Reply# 31   12/23/2008 at 00:24 (5,596 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Tristars-used to sell these-the older models were the best-the older "Pig" style ones.don't have the models at hand now.bought the last of one of these new-Metallic Grey body with the "pignose HEPA" filter.the new MG machines are a minor dissapointment to me-and stopped selling them.Yes the body is tough magnesium metal-but inside is a cheap Chinese motor.the MG machines have less power than the CXL and older ones.some of the Tristar MG's that me and freind sold are coming in to the Vacuum Hospital for motor Replacements!these use the same motors as the Eureka -eletrolux low priced canisters!I don't want to step on toes-and apologize-but that is what I saw when a TriStar MG was opened for motor repairs.I have both the MG1,2 in my collection along with a CXL.In general don't like the "Electrolux" flavor in the newer Tri-Star machines.Like the older ones better.I thought the older "Turbobrush" was better than the "electrolux" type one.

Post# 56761 , Reply# 32   12/23/2008 at 00:34 (5,596 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Mike,

He isn't 14, he's only 13. He told me months ago that he was 12 when he joined, and lied and said he was 13. I actually waited until my 13th birthday last October.

Right now, we have 11 million inches! Just kidding, we have 8 inches. We'll have a white Christmas indeed! We have a snow "sandwich" actually, first layer is snow, second is a quarter inch of ice, and some more snow. Very chilly, I can't wait until Christmas when I can have my North face jacket!

I'll take some pictures soon, I don't have my camera right now.

Post# 56762 , Reply# 33   12/23/2008 at 00:41 (5,596 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Rex,

Speaking of "pig-ish" shaped cleaners, I have a nice Compact Electra C6 (I think that's the model). It has all of the attachments, original cloth hose, original paperwork, and the tacky 60's glittery flower power hassock. I love it to bits.I found it in September at a thrift shop for $20. I need to find a filter for it, it has the original, I poked it once and I made a little hole in it. So obviously, it's the original!

I'll post pictures of all of my collection, but again, I don't have my camera. :)

PS, the pig is Turquoise Aqua color, don't know if that helps but I'll throw it in there anyway!

Post# 56764 , Reply# 34   12/23/2008 at 01:56 (5,596 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am also trying to look for vacuum cleanrs that came in those Hassock style storage cases-so handy!I have an Aqua Blue Compact-think it may be from the fifties-has a rocket and satellite decal-logo on the machine.It works well.Is the motor filter on yours bad-a newer one should fit.however the newer cloth bags won't fit the older machines-the bag rim is too thick-you can't close the lid.those older Compacts were kinda cool.and they WORK-hard to put them down-same with older filter Queens.In tests I have done at home-My Kirbys will perform better on a carpet than any of my FQ's-however as a canister vacuum-the FQ is better than the Kirby with its hose.I like the older all metal FQ machines best-and yes they are more powerful.Tested with a vac guage and a Baird guage.the older ones have greater airflow and more suction pressure.same thing with the TriStars.the FQ is an interesting vacuum though-the best of both worlds and disposable filter with a bagless container.again empty them outside.forget the stupid newspaper on the floor gag.At one time I lived in a high rise apartment house-one time I was dumping a shake out Kirby bag-and out of the chute I heard-"Cough-cough-Stop emptying that bag"Waited until the other trash patron was done-one the floor below me.I can imagine the cloud of dust he was in when he opened the garbage chute door!

Post# 56774 , Reply# 35   12/23/2008 at 08:38 (5,596 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
Heres my Two-Cents! :)

 .............


(Sorry, i am fairly pointless, i know)

Post# 56776 , Reply# 36   12/23/2008 at 09:51 (5,596 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Compact / TriStar

 The "pig" shaped Compact / TriStar machines were made from 1940-1998 - a pretty phenomenal manufacturing run. There were lots of changes over the years, sort of like the original Volkswagen Beetle - always recognisable, but not the same from year to year.

The last generation of "real" TriStars (the CXL to EX-20 models - 1990-1998) are really good machines. They have Ametek motors. Power nozzles were fitted from the 1970s on (after a false start in the early '60s). Standard filtration was: cloth bag, paper bag, motor filter and afterfilter. You could also buy a big, ugly "superfilter" to replace the standard disc afterfilter; a pic is below.

The cloth bag being sold today should fit Compacts at least back to the C2 (1949-1954). If it does not, I wonder why?

P.S.: Whoever noted the "Electrolux flavour" of current TriStars is more right than he knows. TriStar is now owned by the same company that owns Aerus, once Electrolux in America. Aerus is their retail-sales brand, and TriStar is their direct-sales brand. For some strange reason, my local Aerus agency carries nothing for TriStar; you'd think the company would handle their servicing through local Aerus agencies. I'm also not a big fan of the newer TriStars. The motor issue aside, plastic wands and the lack of a cordwinder are inexcusable on a machine in that price range.

Post# 56782 , Reply# 37   12/23/2008 at 11:31 (5,596 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do hepa vacuums stay hepa

Sandy,
Thanks for the information on the Tri-Star. I bought one from a door-to-door salesman back in the 90's. Mine looked just like your picture except the after filter was bigger. Mine is still packed away in the original box. I ordered a straight suction rug tool As I remember the Tri-Star had very strong suction and air-flow. The tools were so cool because they were clear with sparkles in the finish. I have never seen or used one of the newer machines. I have the original paper work and I am sure it was something like $1150.00. I remember the salesperson telling me they were a big staus symbol in Japan.

Post# 56784 , Reply# 38   12/23/2008 at 12:42 (5,596 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Rob:

 Wow, an MIB TriStar! Sounds like you might have a CXL, a DXL, or an EX-20. $1150 was a lot for a vacuum back then, but as with everything, they've gotten even more expensive. The suggested selling price (frequently, and often heavily, discounted) for a TriStar Mg2 is $2600.

I also made sure to get a rug tool for my CXL. Not cheap! But it was worth it. My floor tool came with something called a "rug shoe", which is a clip-on adapter that converts the floor tool to a rug tool, but it was not easy to use, and I didn't like the fact that it flattened the floor tool's brush strips when it was clipped onto the floor tool. So, I shelled out something like $65 to get the "real" rug tool. Makes all the difference, because I have some rugs that shouldn't get vacuumed with the power nozzle. I knew about the rug tool because I grew up with a Compact C2; the late TriStar metal tools (rug tool and floor tool) are nearly identical to the C2 tools I was so familiar with.

I also got two extra wands for my CXL, since we have a stairwell with a high ceiling, and the spiders just loooooove it up there. Very nifty vacuum cleaner, and you're right, the clear/glitter tools are cool, at least when they're freshly washed. Their drawback is that they get dirty-looking inside, and it shows up very quickly. The plastic tools (upholstery tool, crevice tool and dusting brush) on the C2 we had when I was a kid were grey. The grille for the upholstery tool was electric blue; it's beige today. For those who aren't familiar with Compact/TriStar machines, the upholstery tool has a little snap-in grille to use when vacuuming curtains, so they don't get sucked into the tool. You take it out for upholstery cleaning, to get maximum suction.

Post# 56802 , Reply# 39   12/23/2008 at 16:24 (5,595 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Look what Evan sent me.

Post# 56806 , Reply# 40   12/23/2008 at 17:01 (5,595 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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The graffiti defaced photo makes it clear this is NOT Evan posting and we should stop referring to this disturbed individual is Evan Strittmatter, ok?

Post# 56816 , Reply# 41   12/23/2008 at 20:02 (5,595 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
A NOTE FROM THE WEBMASTER

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OK - Here we go again. Dave, unfortunately, I have done my research and have every reason to believe that Evan posted these things. This is a real shame since I went to some trouble to arrange a delivery of some vintage vacuums to him at the North Canton convention. I have banned him from the forums and sent an email to Alex to cease and desist as well. I have received some pretty foul emails from Evan. I have also deleted the photo above. I hate to think that letting young folks on this forum causes problems, but we have had our share of problems with older folks as well. Hopefully this will end this episode.

Fred

PS - I'd like to take a vote - shall I delete this thread?

Post# 56818 , Reply# 42   12/23/2008 at 20:12 (5,595 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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I am stunned, Fred. Never would I have suspected the Kyle S I got to know through early forum postings of such a 180 degree attitudinal turn, particularly after the multitude of kindnesses sent his way.

By all means delete this sad chapter in the devolution of a young man with so much promise.

Dave.

Post# 56819 , Reply# 43   12/23/2008 at 20:13 (5,595 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Oops, of course I meant EVAN.

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Pardon my haste, Kyles everywhere. :-(

Post# 56820 , Reply# 44   12/23/2008 at 20:48 (5,595 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Yes, please delete the thread.

Post# 56822 , Reply# 45   12/23/2008 at 21:19 (5,595 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Does it really need to be deleted?

 Since there's no outright insults, personal attacks etc, should it be deleted? Especially now the offending photo has been removed. The worst thing said was that 'Kirbys don't clean' - and we all know that's not true, anyway!

I just wonder if, as a club, we should guard against being over-censorial. This thread did originally start as a discussion on HEPA, after all, and lots of people shared interesting views on the topic before things went off-track.

My vote would be to leave it as it is. Of course, I'm happy to go with the majority decision.

Post# 56825 , Reply# 46   12/23/2008 at 22:09 (5,595 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do Hepa vacuums stgay hepa

 Sandy,
You made me think! I went down and looked up the paperwork.I bought mine on Dec 7,1994. It cost $1010.00 for the machine,power nozzle and something called a Ultra 1000 Purifier. Serial no 9268691. It also came with a 25 year garantee! Mine came with a combination thing that fit on the floor brush to clean rugs. I bought the regular rug tool that has never been used. It cost $45.00 extra per the invoice from Interstate. I had to find the machines. It has the original paper bag in the machine. I never used it over 2-3 times.I am going to get it out tonight for a run! What is funny is that no where on the paperwork is there a model,but they did list the seriel number for the machine and power nozzle.If I am recalling correctly with the filter in polace the machine was very very quiet.
Rob

Post# 56826 , Reply# 47   12/23/2008 at 22:11 (5,595 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

Fred I think that you should delete the posts where all of the nonsense started. Jack is right the discussion did begin with Hepa Vacs in the first place.



Post# 56846 , Reply# 48   12/24/2008 at 00:40 (5,595 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Dave,

Actually, I think your right. I've noticed, when "Evan" started talking foul, was when "Evan" made a new AIM screen name. Also, if you look in the archives, you'll notice a world of difference in his posts. You'll see excellent spelling and grammar, where as "Evan's" last posts are far from that.

So, maybe this isn't Evan?!? Maybe it's somebody else who's mad at him for whatever the reason is, and posing as him, making all of these posts and IM's??? Hacking into all of his accounts?

~Alex.

PS, another thing to mention, in the past, Evan never seemed to hate Kirby's. Now in this thread, they're the "worst vac ever". I'm clueless

Post# 56847 , Reply# 49   12/24/2008 at 00:52 (5,595 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        

Another thing to add, Evan has had two screen names on here. In the postings with excellent spelling and grammar, his screen name is "kirbyboy", and the foul postings his screen name is "kirbyboy1",

~Alex.

Post# 56848 , Reply# 50   12/24/2008 at 01:26 (5,595 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

On the TriStar cloth bags-I have both the new ones and old ones in my collection-if you have them look at the top rim of the bags-the new ones-made of that diffrent rubbery like fabric-have the slightly taller rim-it doesn't fit properly in an older Compact-guess this is part of one of the redesigns.I have seen the older style cloth bags sold thru ESCO,ETC.The machine that I bought new in the late 90's looks just like the one pictured in post#56776.mine came with the "Pignose" HEPA filter element out of the box.It was on the machine when the salesperson unpacked it.-a young black woman-she knew the product well and gave an excellent presentation of the machine.
Another funny thing about the Electrolux flavoer in the TriStar-the actual Lux tools and TriStar tools ARE NOT interchangeable.the wands for the TriStar have a smaller diameter than the Electrolux ones. For a lttle while me and other person were the local distributors of TriStar.But after the motor problems in the MG series machines-we dropped out.And TriStar is distantly owned by Eureka.That explains the "Dumbing down" of the product with the lower quality motor.Yes-older TriStars and FQ's used Lamb-Ametek Motors-and the motors were made in the US.I like the manual wind cord better-its longer than what you have with a cordwinder.what frustrate me most on a High end vac is it having a cord that is too short-My Miracle Mate is like this-Wonderful machine-but the Cord in its cordwinder IS TOO SHORT!!ANNOYING!!

Post# 56883 , Reply# 51   12/24/2008 at 13:11 (5,595 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
ok watch youtube...

 For all of you in vacuumland...here is a very interesting and informative video. I have yet to learn how to post a link,,,, so here I go with the info..

Go to youtube, enter "The Miele does work", and click on that video and observe. I really like the part where Jerry sucks all the debris out of the full Dyson. It is very interesting how the Miele bag is no where near full.

What do you think?

Post# 56898 , Reply# 52   12/24/2008 at 15:39 (5,594 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Brad, ll ya do is highlight the URL on your browser's address line, copy and then paste in the 'URL link to share' box below the Message box, above the Picture box.

Entering 'The Miele does work' just brings up this loooong list. :-)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO aeoliandave's LINK
Post# 56899 , Reply# 53   12/24/2008 at 17:01 (5,594 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
More Compact / TriStar

 First, to Fred:

I don't see anything left in the thread that needs deleting; the cleanup you've done takes care of things, I think, so my vote would be to leave it.

Rob:

You have the "rug shoe" like I have, I think. It's a clear/glitter piece that clips to the bottom of the floor tool, ostensibly converting it to a rug tool. Doesn't work all that well, as I think you've found. You made the right decision to add a proper rug tool to your collection. Please post photos of your machine someday, okay? My TriStar CXL is a very nicely restored machine, complete with everything that came with a CXL when new (and an expensive quest it was, too!), but that's still not the same as an MIB machine. I'd really like to see what the air cleaner looked like - was that the big afterfilter?

Rex:

Ah, now I understand. Thanks for the info on the difference in early bags that fit earlier Compact machines, and later bags that fit TriStars. Hopefully someday, by comparing notes, we can figure out exactly where the "break" comes - the model that is the first re-designed TriStar that uses the newer bag. Appreciate it! P.S.: I just put a new cloth bag and motor filter in my CXL today - amazing how much difference they made. Both the old bag and the old filter were well-maintained, but evidently some dust builds up in those components and decreases performance no matter how well they're taken care of.

Post# 56900 , Reply# 54   12/24/2008 at 17:06 (5,594 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.S., Rob:

 You're right about the quietude of a TriStar. I personally do not use the big afterfilter, only the standard one (I'm not a big believer in HEPA, for reasons I've stated earlier in this thread), and yet the machine is still extremely quiet - the only machine I own that's quieter is my Lux L, which isn't as powerful as the TriStar CXL.

Post# 56914 , Reply# 55   12/24/2008 at 20:12 (5,594 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Dohepa vacuums stay hepa

 here you go Sandy

Post# 56917 , Reply# 56   12/24/2008 at 20:19 (5,594 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Do hepa vacuums stay hepa

 Sandy
Here's what inside the box. Note the funky filter.

Post# 56925 , Reply# 57   12/24/2008 at 23:07 (5,594 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
Tri-star

 I have that exact same Tri-star. I got mine at a thrift store here in Phx. new in the box with all attachments for $50.00. I thought I was going to pass out!!!! I used it daily when I used to do new home cleaning and appartment clean outs. Nothing can stop that vacuum, much less clog it. I put Glade plug-in in the bottom of that vacuum to make the house smell like I cleaned all day when I didn't.....Bill in Az....

Post# 56926 , Reply# 58   12/25/2008 at 00:34 (5,594 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
Thanks

 Thanks Dave,, and to all in vacuumland....Happy Hollidays!!

Post# 56931 , Reply# 59   12/25/2008 at 08:23 (5,594 days old) by rugmaster37 ()        
Sigh...........

 Evan,

If you can read this, I would like to say that It really pains me to see your newly minted, blatant disreguard for other peoples dignity, beliefs and character. We have shared quite a nice repore since the convention, and I've been really pleased at knowing you.

However, since you've informed me that you've become a member of the VCA, I can see that my giving of fair warning to not let others do your thinking for you, has failed miserably. The fact that We just had a conversation not only a week ago, talking about keeping your own thoughts your own, and not allowing yourself to pick sides, clearly my efforts to help you thru this transition of trying out both things for a time to make your own decisions was clearly rejected, and failed miserably.

That said, I hope that if you CAN see this, that you've clearly decimated your standing within a few days time. Personally attacking others, and making blatant and unfair and unjust judgements about different machines that you couldn't even stand, or even liked less than a few weeks ago, imminitely shows that you are no longer functioning as your own person, and are being foolishly fed information that you are soaking up like a sponge, and ultimately dripping out back here to create unneeded drama.

That said, I do wish you the best in your new "enviornment", and only send you godspeed that your choice is well worth your new efforts. And as I just realized, your no longer allowed on these forums, and hopefully someday, as you age, and grow into your own person ( and thankfully you will someday), you will realize things, and may come to your senses.

Best to you.....


Chad

P.S. I apologise for hijacking this thread, but as we all know, people still seem to find a backdoor in here, and I wish for Evan to see this, and he will also hear from me as well. And to post my thoughts on this seemingly neverending situation of people making this place more than just vacuum cleaners, and the sharing, collections and comraderie that should come from such endeavors.

Post# 56933 , Reply# 60   12/25/2008 at 17:45 (5,593 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Rob:

 I am drooling.

What you have appears to be an EX-20, the last iteration of the Compact-based TriStars. Extremely nice machine, and seeing it MIB is just phenomenal.

You do have the same rug shoe I have for your floor tool. I have kept mine as a collectible, but I doubt it will ever be used while I own it; it's just not very pleasant to use.

While I have a manual for my CXL, you seem to have some literature I don't have. Very nice! Your machine's box is later than mine, too.

Thank you very much for showing me all those goodies!


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