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Post# 3459   11/2/2006 at 20:35 (6,377 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        

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Thanks to Martin Kaplan for sending me a nicely scanned 1936 Hoover Model 825 Owner's Manual. He scanned it at a good resolution and I was able to buff it up a bit. Thanks Martin and enjoy everyone.

Fred

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Post# 3464 , Reply# 1   11/2/2006 at 23:56 (6,377 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Awesome!

 Thanks, Marty!

~Fred

Post# 3471 , Reply# 2   11/3/2006 at 07:57 (6,377 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Thanks for that Fred - I have the British equivalent of that manual - it's interesting to see the differences between the illustrations in the two - the photos are the same, but they've been re-touched differently. I'll scan some of mine and post them to show you what I mean when I get a chance...I see the US 825 had a more modern toolkit, too - ours had the same as all the preceding models.

Post# 3475 , Reply# 3   11/3/2006 at 09:57 (6,377 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Here's a picture of the front cover of the British version. The photo is exactly the same, but notice that the 'aromador' is missing, (if you look closely, you can see a blurry patch and a missing section of wheel where it has been airbrushed out!) and the extra motor vents, lacking from the US version, have been drawn in.

Post# 3476 , Reply# 4   11/3/2006 at 10:02 (6,377 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I see also that the 825 pictured inside the manual has the dual voltage toggle-switch on the back of the motor. Were these common in the US, or are they a rariety?

Post# 3481 , Reply# 5   11/3/2006 at 11:43 (6,377 days old) by ahzeks ()        
Thanks guys!

 Thanks for sharing the manuals! Being in the publishing/graphics arts business, I love looking at vintage vacuum manuals. I have a few manuals I've been meaning to scan and upload as well.

Post# 3482 , Reply# 6   11/3/2006 at 12:49 (6,377 days old) by swingette ()        

i have a model 700 manual, and took immediate notice of the enhancing of the photos as well.

Post# 3506 , Reply# 7   11/3/2006 at 22:13 (6,376 days old) by hygiene903 (Galion, OH)        

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Thank you, Marty and Fred, for this great addition to our instruction book collection! I never knew the 825 used the newer style tools, always thought they were introduced with the 150.
And Mike, what part of the publishing/graphic arts business do you work in? I'm a pressman and occasional cutter or folder operator myself. I run a Heidelberg KORD and an A.B. Dick 360. Email me sometime & we'll talk shop.
Jeff

Post# 3511 , Reply# 8   11/4/2006 at 10:30 (6,376 days old) by charles~richard ()        
Dual Voltage Toggle Switch

 Isn't that just a two-speed motor switch? I mean, it is not intended to switch from 110/220v is it, but merely to operate the machine on high or low speed?

Post# 3512 , Reply# 9   11/4/2006 at 11:02 (6,376 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Nope. The two-speed switch is on the handle as below. The dual voltage switch was on the back of the motor itself, a silver metal toggle switch above the rating plate.

(sorry the photo's coming out so big!)

Post# 3513 , Reply# 10   11/4/2006 at 11:07 (6,376 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

The dual voltage toggle switch is pictured below...and it's definitely not a 2-speed switch, as it's on a Model 450, which was only ever a 1-speed machine. I imagine it could have a similar effect of running the motor at a slower speed, though, if set to a voltage higher than the one it was being run on? Just a theory!

I should add I didn't take this photo, I saved it from when this machine was being sold on eBay.

Post# 3519 , Reply# 11   11/4/2006 at 20:11 (6,375 days old) by 74simon ()        
That switch

 Is for the Dirt Finder lamp, according to the manual posted here. You could switch it off in less dark vacuuming conditions!

I'm suprised that the products of North Canton and Perivale were so different, especialy considering that they were the same model number!

Post# 3521 , Reply# 12   11/4/2006 at 21:17 (6,375 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        
Well...

 My dad was (he is an OBGYN now) an electrical engineer. (You can't spell "geek" without "EE!") haha, but anyway. Due to it being 45 cycles, and not 60, this MIGHT mess up the vacuum. I wouldn't try it. I don't know what would be different about the motor; maybe some added or lessened resistance; maybe a diode. Who knows.

Post# 3525 , Reply# 13   11/5/2006 at 00:49 (6,375 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
I concede!

 Aha! Simon, I see you are right! I missed that when I read through the manual. In that case, whoever sold the 450 pictured above on eBay was mistaken, as they definitely said the switch on the rear of the motor was to alter the voltage...

Seems Mr. Lester and I were both wrong! Wonder why they didn't bother with this, or the aromador, or the hygenisacs, or the more modern toolkit, in the UK? Although having said that, we did get handgrips as standard on popular-priced models, and the large lower motor vents I suppose!

Post# 3527 , Reply# 14   11/5/2006 at 01:38 (6,375 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The universal motors on vacuum cleaners can run from DC to 60 hz.45Hz shouldn't hurt it.Especially in those early days-electric services could be AC or DC.Some homes in rural areas may run from generators that produce DC.If the motor is to be run from DC-the switch on the machine needs to be double pole-IE both sides of the line are interrupted.Most switches now are single pole-if you interrupt DC with it-the switch will arc over.Many portable power tools --esp those for metalworking-have double pole switches in case the tool is run from a DC source like a DC arc welder.Generator arc welders are still common and used in areas where you don't have powerr.So the tool will need to run from the generator welder.On most machines today that have the universal motors-I would not run them from DC because of the single pole switch or solid state motor control-which may not run properly from the DC source.On the power tools that have double pole switches-they are often marked-that they can run from AC or DC.

Post# 3610 , Reply# 15   11/7/2006 at 09:11 (6,373 days old) by rexairman ()        

The switch on the back of the motor housing turns the headlight on and off. I know because I have worked on these motors.

Post# 3613 , Reply# 16   11/7/2006 at 09:55 (6,373 days old) by sukething ()        
That is what I thought as well

 Rexairman is right, that is what I thought it was the head light switch. Owning this model myself.


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