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Post# 391513 , Reply# 2   5/3/2018 at 23:21 (2,155 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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I never heard about him, but I think he's full of it. Seeing as he was a auto mechanic and technician, and then a hair stylist, and then a vacuum repairman? That's worrying. "Career hopping" so to speak. Not someone who has been in vacuum repair for a lifetime and garnered a lot of knowledge. He just went through the standard sales routine about Miele and Sebo that vacuum shops give you when you apply for the job and went on with his day of telling people to throw out all their old outdated vacuums and get the best Miele and Sebo and Riccar vacuums.
When asked about Rainbow, Kirby, or Filter Queen, he just responded with a snarky "There's this new thing called "The 21st Century". You should look into it." Again when asked about a Rainbow: "Toss that dinosaur to the recyclers. At best, the Rainbow would pull half the suction of a Miele, and be far harder and more expensive to use." Like mostly everyone on the entire userbase of reddit, they are likely very obstinate and inexperienced on their given subject and want to prove to everyone they know things so they sit on reddit for some hours posting whatever they just learned to people looking for a simple place to get an answer by someone, regardless if it's true or not. It's the equivalent of asking the kid clocking in his 20 hour week in the hardware store on how to strip and stain a deck. They probably got brainwashed on some on the brands of vacuums they follow and they probably believed some fancy corporate sales flyer that sold them on a plastivac. He does seem to pump those Miele canister vacs so much, I guess that is what he has been led to believe. It's like a drinking game - take a drink every time he says "Miele" in those AmA's! The weight of a Kirby is attributed to the power drive system on the Kirby and the build quality of the motor and their thick metal construction built to endure. Those 90's self-propelled Hoover Windtunnels are just as much of a boat anchor as the Kirby is - odd nobody complains about those? Also the fan quality of a Kirby is a null point because it is dependent on how you run the vacuum and if you abuse it or not. Any janitorial job will tell you first off the bat to inspect the floor prior to vacuuming to look for any large foreign objects or materials. Makes sense to do that at home, right? I've never needed a fan change on my 2002 Ultimate G. Also I find it funny that in one AMA he tells you to avoid washing vacuums with soap because it attracts dirt and makes them get gunked up faster - but then in the next AMA he tells you to have your carpets professionally cleaned yearly, who use....guess what? Lots of soap. Where does it go when you vacuum? Into your vacuum. It also gums up your carpeting to boot. I also got a good laugh at him saying Kirby "having poor suction and being overly complicated". Right, a vacuum that has no "quadruple helix gas fusion turbine powered root cyclones" and has never changed its design in 60 years has bad suction and is too complicated? Oooooookay then. Also for someone that knows 'so much' about vacuums, his youtube account is pretty pitiful and vacant: http://youtube.com/user/donttouchmycoffee/videos?disable_polymer=1 My recommendation: get some of the real experts here on this site to teach that guy something so he can stop sucking people into his deep space Miele wormhole. |
Post# 391520 , Reply# 4   5/4/2018 at 02:15 (2,155 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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Yeah I have a....1984 I think, Legend II that I recently got and even after being flooded out and not even being repaired it still works and will lift the carpet up. The motor has more of a sewing machine hum than the roar of the Ultimate G I'm used to, but I will hopefully get it all cleaned up this summer and some TLC.
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Post# 391533 , Reply# 6   5/4/2018 at 16:08 (2,154 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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There are quite a few vacuum Tech's on Reddit. (Myself included)
I generally agree that Kirby's are overpriced new . Especially considering the German offerings for a quarter of the price ,2-3 X the performance. At best if you're on a budget pick one up used for cheap. As far as the average person's concerned. As far as vacuum collecting goes no collection would be complete without a few Kirby's or all of them 😀 I have a special place in my heart for Kirby's. |
Post# 391538 , Reply# 8   5/4/2018 at 17:19 (2,154 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 391540 , Reply# 9   5/4/2018 at 18:40 (2,154 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@blackheart
Well if you measure suction at the hose on a Kirby and then measure it at the hose of a Miele the Kirby will get about 30 inches of water lift" suction" The Miele will get between 85 and 100 inches of water lift. Of course those numbers will increase about 20% across the board when you're not measuring 1 mile plus above sea level which is where all of my testing has been done. You could also take the fact that I vacuum with a long life belt will have far more consistent cleaning than a vacuum with a rubber Stretch Belt that needs to be changed constantly. |
Post# 391541 , Reply# 10   5/4/2018 at 18:41 (2,154 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 391543 , Reply# 11   5/4/2018 at 18:48 (2,154 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Well my ball guage has read about 36 for Kirby and a shaky 90 for Miele. However as the collector community knows it is not suction that cleans, but airflow. If we compare Airflow at the base of the machines we get about 138 from a Kirby Avalir, 53.95 from a "german" upright (on smooth) and 67.31 from a "german" canister. and while it's true that a stretch belt will eventually cause a loss of agitation It's safe to say that Kirby's agitation is far more powerful. I am not saying the german brand is bad, I quite enjoy my canister, but in terms of pure carpet cleaning power it cannot compare.
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Post# 391545 , Reply# 12   5/4/2018 at 19:04 (2,154 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@blackheart both suction and air flow are equally as important . Agitation can be important on carpet. Many vacuums have shown that lack of any brush roller can still clean carpet with the right amount of air movement.
I do understand that there's a certain sector vacuum collectors that believe Kirby's are the end-all to vacuums. Unfortunately as cool as Kirby's are that's just not true. |
Post# 391546 , Reply# 13   5/4/2018 at 19:17 (2,154 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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I don't believe that. I do recognize some suction as being necessary as it's the "force" behind the movement of air and without it any vacuum would be extremely prone to clogging. It's needed to be able to force air through a vacuum's airpath as well as force air through the back of carpeting that said a vacuum with 140 cfm and 40" (like a bag on the back style Eureka) Would clean carpeting better than a machine with 40cfm and 140"
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Post# 391572 , Reply# 14   5/5/2018 at 11:04 (2,153 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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It is a known fact that Direct Air vacuums like Kirby and Royal will deep clean a carpet better tan any Bypass Air machine including Miele or Sebo.
I have a 10 amp (1200 watt) Royal Everlast 8300 with 142 CFM that I guarantee will not only outclean a Kirby Avalir but any other vacuum cleaner you want to put against it.
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Post# 391576 , Reply# 15   5/5/2018 at 12:37 (2,153 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Has anyone else noticed that many of the so-called 'experts' on some of the self-help groups (and there have been many over the past 20 years) have very little actual knowledge? Many are kids pretending to be something they're not. One forum (defunct for more than a decade now) featured a very old man from Las Vegas who went on and on about Hoover Tempo being the best. Carmine was very, very old then, so I'm sure the grave called his name years ago. He hated Dysons. But he always wanted to argue with anyone about vacuums. He also believed people should go to Wal-Mart to buy their vacuums.
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Post# 391592 , Reply# 17   5/6/2018 at 08:58 (2,152 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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I pretty are Kirbys sealed machines. There's a gasket at the base where the nozzle attaches to, one where the emp-tor attaches to, the rubber boot where the outer bag attaches to the emp-tor and the membrane (Rubber?) where the filter bag attaches to the adapter.
They're filtration is rated gold by the CRI too. Now unless you mean the cooling fan which releases carbon dust but I don't think there's anything wrong with because I have pretty bad dust allergies and it doesn't bother me. |
Post# 391593 , Reply# 18   5/6/2018 at 09:44 (2,152 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 391594 , Reply# 19   5/6/2018 at 10:08 (2,152 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@sptyks again that's a opinion!
I believe we have had this discussion before. Many bypass Vacuums do clean better . Even Royal realize that and made the power cast which cleans better then the previous direct air machines. I stated before Kirby's have their place but for the most part are not practical in today's market. Also why the Kirby bag filters well, it is not considered a sealed system in any sort of way. Especially with how the fan gasket rots . The cooling fan circulates dust. picture is an example of that .
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Post# 391638 , Reply# 22   5/7/2018 at 13:24 (2,151 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I'm sorry, but you just don't know what you are talking about: I can see in your profile that you do not even own any G series Kirby's or 10 amp Royals. The royal 880 that you list is an older 4 amp model that does not even come close to the 10 amp Royal Everlast in cleaning performance.
And, Just like any other fine piece of machinery or vacuum cleaner, The Kirby's and Royals do need periodic maintenance on gaskets, fill tubes, and brushrolls to maintain top performance. Believe it or not all vacuum cleaner motors will accumulate dust over several years of use. This does not mean that the Kirby motor spews dust everywhere while you vacuum. I have taken apart many Kirby motors over the years and I have never seen the amount of dust shown in the BOGUS photo you posted.
Also, there is no such thing as a Bypass Air vacuum that will clean better than a Kirby G series or 10 amp Royal metal upright! The Royal Powercast was a horrible failure. It was the heaviest cleaner on the market and it's performance was much worse than the 10 amp Royals or G series Kirby's.
If CRI, the foremost authority on all vacuum cleaners says that Kirby is tops in it's class for cleaning performance and emissions, then that says it all. I suggest you get your facts straight before posting any more of your biased and misguided information on this forum.
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Post# 391639 , Reply# 23   5/7/2018 at 14:18 (2,151 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@sptyks I've worked in a vacuum shop full-time since 2006 I have plenty experience with the generation series of Kirby Vacuums.
The power cast was definitely a failure but you asked for a vacuum that would out clean a Kirby that was portable bypass system. There are plenty of other vacuums I could have named. There are plenty of vacuums on the CRI list that are ranked the same as Kirby that are bypass machines. So I guess you just proved yourself wrong. We've had this conversation before if you recall. I know it is in your opinion that Kirby's are the best vacuum ever and that will never change which is okay ! That doesn't make Kirby's being the end all to vacuums fact.
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Post# 391642 , Reply# 24   5/7/2018 at 16:02 (2,151 days old) by Royalfan (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 391643 , Reply# 25   5/7/2018 at 16:33 (2,151 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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I really like my Kirby G6, but it doesn't work for all types of carpets/rugs. Kirby is best if you have flow trough high pile carpet. Kirby is clearly designed to pull air through the carpet and if the carpet is rubber backed it causes problems. I noticed this in my latest "deepclean" test. I tested Dyson Dc40 mkII, Sebo Felix and Kirby G6 (latest stiff brushroll). I was blown away that the Felix was the best. I used a lot of time to get the test accurate as possible.
So because Kirby has high airflow and low suction it couldn't keep up with the Felix. But this was tested on the medium pile rug (rubber backed). |
Post# 391652 , Reply# 27   5/7/2018 at 20:29 (2,151 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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Post# 391659 , Reply# 28   5/7/2018 at 23:36 (2,151 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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huskyvacs
My rug is medium pile and not so thick. Sebo Felix is easy to use on it without problems, but the Kirby sucks the rug to the nozzle and it becomes very hard to use. It just tries constantly drag the rug with it. Kirby rely to the airflow, suction is very low. High air flow vacuums need a flow through rug to work right. What I meant is that Kirby would most likely won the test if it had change to do it on the flow through rug. I have higher pile flow through rug and Kirby shines on it. Not other vacuums what I have can match the Kirby on it :) Here you can see the problem: |
Post# 391677 , Reply# 31   5/8/2018 at 11:47 (2,150 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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The sebo D4 really is one of the best kept secrets in the vacuum industry and a wonderful vacuum! It would be hard to find a better portable vacuum in my opinion as a vacuum technician.
The Oreck xl21 so pretty good machine as well but serves a completely different purpose. There are a lot of people who trade their Kirby or say they hate their Kirby because of the weight and how impractical the tools are in the use. You are right on the money as good as Kirby's are there just not practical in today's world. |
Post# 391707 , Reply# 35   5/8/2018 at 19:18 (2,150 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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I'm not sure for what models but mostly all Kirbys have a hard floor tool that you fit over the brushroll to make it a hardwood cleaner. Kirby also has a dedicated hard floor buffer as well.
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