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Post# 389580   4/1/2018 at 14:14 by nickuk (UK)        

Hello

My parents have given me the above vac today. They have a cordless and this became surplus to their requirements. They assure me it works and is a great unit. About 10/15 years old? The power stated is 1900 watts. Now I've cleaned it up it looks in reasonable condition. The padded bumper (which I now know the exhaust air comes through - so should I wash this too?) is very slightly worn in places

I have spent the last two hours cleaning it. I don't think they ever knew it had filters as these (especially the one on the bottom behind the large circular thing which unscrews) were fairly stomach churning discoveries on my behalf - eek.

Had to hand wash about 6 times before the water ran can clear. They're currently drying and I will wait until they are completely dry before I power it up. I'm hoping someone isn't now going to tell me they're not washable and I've ruined them....... (they look fine so fingers crossed)

I guess I joined the site to say `hi' and ask whether anybody has any experience of these - are they good cleaners? It only came which one new bag - I must admit, I chucked the one Mum and dad had half filled goodness knows how long ago..........

Any tips on using them? It looks dead simple. Looks as though the brush bar attachments are air driven as opposed to electrically.

Please excuse my vacuum ignorance - I am a regular over on aw.org and washing machines are my `thing'!

Thank you





Post# 389581 , Reply# 1   4/1/2018 at 15:05 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Nick,

The Seboís are great vacuums. The D series came out in 2012, so itís not as old as you think.


Post# 389582 , Reply# 2   4/1/2018 at 15:15 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Oooh.

I'd say you received a nice vacuum. I've got the D4 it's really nice it's quiet, rolls easily for something of it's size and weight, the tapered hose will resist clogging, the bags are enormous. The filters are not meant to be washed out i'd just get them replaced, the bumper too is replaceable. As long as you like cylinder/canister style machines i'm sure you'll find you like it.

Post# 389588 , Reply# 3   4/1/2018 at 17:56 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
sebo d series

These are great machines, I have the D1 which is a straight suction model, no electric power nozzle. They are awesome, made very well and are Sebo's largest canister series. I would just replace the motor and exhaust filters. That machine should work really well for you, filters and bags should be easy to find.
Mike


Post# 389601 , Reply# 4   4/2/2018 at 01:45 by nickuk (UK)        
Thank you

Thanks for the input guys. I'm pleased you think it's a good one - I look forwards to using it.

Having dried out the filters on the radiators overnight (thanks for the advice just to replace but I had already washed them by that point) I powered it up this morning.

It works just fine and the suction seems strong even on minimum. However, it seems noisy to me. Compared to a Miele canister I have owned before which just kind of purred, this one sounds quite angry about something. Maybe it's just a difference and I am not used to it. Surely the motor bearing wouldn't be worn already?

Perhaps I'll have a look on YouTube at another one running to see if the noise is normal.


Post# 389626 , Reply# 5   4/2/2018 at 11:55 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

I have a Sebo D2 cylinder cleaner, which is about two years old, in red, standard suction machine with the 1200 Watt motor. I took some advice from the late Naryan, and decided not to buy the D4 powerhead model... apparently dodgy electrical connections in the power hose.

I wanted a machine which stored all three small tools onboard. I can't be doing with tools slovenly clipped to hoses.

I have washed the motor protection filter, and the exhaust filter. They seem to be okay after some gentle washing.

The bags are quite big, and they seem to be reasonably cheap - compared to Miele.

The tapered hose can be a little unwieldy at the broader cleaner end. There is a buzzing/turbulence sound which emanates from the machine. It is caused by air entering via the bag-check indicator... there is a slight air gap to the right of the indicator window.

The Kombi nozzle stuck fast to the flooring, but I rectified that by reversing the two edge suction channel barriers at the ends of the head. Reversing/flipping these little covers over, allows traditional edge-to-edge suction - and easier movement of the head.

The general size of the machine reminds me of the Hoover Sensotronics and the Electrolux Dolphins. I like it, and it feels more substantial than any of Bosch's cylinders.

The Sebo flex is long, but the cord reel is a little lacklustre at retraction. I ended up wiping the flex with a little 'Pledge' furniture spray polish, on a duster, to provide a bit of slip. It seems to have helped.


Post# 389629 , Reply# 6   4/2/2018 at 13:41 by nickuk (UK)        

Thanks for the very useful information, RollsRapide.

I have just uploaded a video of this on YT (please click link) as I am sure it shouldn't sound like this!!

Despite the fact that my parents have clearly being using it with this ear splitting din for goodness knows how long, I don't want to cause any further damage by using it until someone tells me either it's normal or tells me to get it to a repair centre!

Perhaps I have installed something incorrectly as I cleaned out the filters?


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Post# 389631 , Reply# 7   4/2/2018 at 14:20 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Video...

No, the machine shouldn't sound like that.

What does it sound like without the filters in place? Or with the bag compartment door wide open?

I'm wondering if the motor brushes or commutator are knackered...?


Post# 389633 , Reply# 8   4/2/2018 at 14:25 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Another thought...

Has a previous bag burst in some way, allowing dirt into the motor?

Post# 389635 , Reply# 9   4/2/2018 at 14:39 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Sounds like that motor needs some TLC. 😊

Post# 389636 , Reply# 10   4/2/2018 at 14:43 by nickuk (UK)        

I've just tried it with the bag door open and also having removed the filter from the bottom and it still sounds very poorly.

Perhaps you're right and that it's been poorly looked after. I don't know if it's audible on the video apart from the horrible noise the motor seems to struggle to hold top speed.

I think your conclusion is correct. If it's only from 2012 (at the earliest) I wouldn't expect normal brush wear / commutator issues already so I think you're spot on - at some point something has gone very wrong.

What a shame - I was looking forwards to doing all my spring cleaning with it. I only have a first generation cordless Dyson at the moment - 20 minutes run time from a 3 hour charge. A wee bit frustrating when you're doing a `proper' clean!!

Sorry the story has not had a good ending but thanks everyone for your input.


Post# 389637 , Reply# 11   4/2/2018 at 14:53 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Hmm, shame about that.

You might be able to get a replacement motor off the internet - but I wouldn't pay Partmaster prices. Perhaps Sebo UK would be able to assist?


Post# 389639 , Reply# 12   4/2/2018 at 15:19 by nickuk (UK)        

If I can get access to the motor, of course, I may be able to clean it up / change the brushes / restore the commutator or whatever needs doing. There aren't any obvious screws on the outside but I imagine if I start unclipping bits like that airbelt thingeee I might find a way in......

It would seem a shame to give up on what seems to be a quality unit, but have I got the motivation to persevere?


Post# 389640 , Reply# 13   4/2/2018 at 15:39 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

The 'airbelt' seems to attach at the rear, by means of that press-fit clip.

I haven't even attempted to disassemble mine, because: (a) it is operating normally; and (b) it's still within the 5 year guarantee.

I haven't actually looked closely at the main body fixing points (whether they're screws or clips, I've no idea). I just accepted this machine 'as is' - which is odd in itself - as I usually have a quick look at the screws to see what type they are.


Post# 389641 , Reply# 14   4/2/2018 at 15:48 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

I wonder of the main body fixing screws are located under the swivel castors?

Post# 389666 , Reply# 15   4/2/2018 at 21:35 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
it definitely should not sound like that

My Sebo D1 sounds as pleasant as a Miele, it's a 120 volt model but that shouldn't matter. I doubt that it's the brushes, if that was the case, the motor would cycle on and off, although it's possible. I'm guessing something got in to the motor, didn't you say the filters were quite dirty? If Sebo has an office in the U.K. I would contact them and see what they think, sounds like an issue with the barings perhaps.
Mike


Post# 389684 , Reply# 16   4/3/2018 at 00:48 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

My D2 sounds quiet like my Lux Guardian Platinum.The machine in the video sounds like it has debris caught in the fans.You could try taking the motor from the vacuum and cleaning the fans.Often the motor has to be taken apart to do this.Running it with the debris in the fan will wreck the motor bearings!This machine should get IMMEDIATE attention!By the way the machine shown looks like mine.

Post# 389687 , Reply# 17   4/3/2018 at 05:35 by nickuk (UK)        

Well Tolivac, as you were kindly writing your words of assistance I was busy at work on the SEBO. And I am very impressed that you (and RollsRapide) were spot on with your diagnosis.

Here's video one showing how the thing comes apart.


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Post# 389688 , Reply# 18   4/3/2018 at 06:09 by nickuk (UK)        

Here's the next stage of getting to the motor.

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Post# 389690 , Reply# 19   4/3/2018 at 06:47 by nickuk (UK)        

Spotting the problem............

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Post# 389691 , Reply# 20   4/3/2018 at 07:17 by nickuk (UK)        

....and finally the last video clip (having managed to put it back together) running a little more like the manufacturer intended.

The commutator looked OK (no irregularities or burn marks etc)but I didn't properly look at the brushes which I guess I should have done. The springs look fully extended which would suggest to me they are worn, but I suppose not necessarily drastically so if there is still a good length on them. I really wish I had taken a better look.

There didn't seem to be any other debris in the motor fan except for that large air freshener pellet, but no wonder she sounded grumpy!

Thanks to all of you for your invaluable help.

I think I can safely start my spring cleaning :-)


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Post# 389695 , Reply# 21   4/3/2018 at 08:13 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Aha! Good stuff, well done indeed!

I wonder how the air-freshener got through to the motor though?

On my machine, within the rectangular air duct onto which the hinged bag door mates, there is a black oblong grid with 48 square holes (12 holes by 4 holes).

Maybe that wasn't present on earlier models, allowing the air-freshener (when placed loosely in the bag compartment) to be sucked right through to the motor.

I think part of Sebo's problem is they don't really tell the user EXACTLY where to place the air-freshener. I'm sure some folk who came from Hoover and Electrolux machines, would think "Oh, place it behind the filter, or loose in the compartment, because there's no receptacle for it."

At least with Airwick 'Breeze', Sue Pollard told us where to stick 'em! Lol




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Post# 389784 , Reply# 22   4/4/2018 at 02:12 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

So it was a Sebo deodorizer pack that caused the trouble-I use those-they work well-just put one in the bag.Glad you were able to fix your machine.Better than having to get a new motor!

Post# 389791 , Reply# 23   4/4/2018 at 07:00 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Air-fresheners

Personally, I miss the fresh 'Pine' fragrance that used to be available in the 'drop-in-the bag' rod format (similar to the Sebo ones) - I think Betterware sold the pine ones through their door-to-door catalogues.

I'm not terribly fond of the lemony smells that many air-fresheners have these days, but I liked the various Hoover brand disk air fresheners. I often wondered if Airwick made them for Hoover, as they reminded me of the disk in the 1970's Airwick Ball air-freshener.


Post# 389799 , Reply# 24   4/4/2018 at 10:33 by Sensotronic (Englandshire)        
Airball

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I had a couple of Airballs (airbal) back in the day. It was a strange thing for a child to spend his pocket money on, but I was obsessed with vacuum cleaners so I was hardly normal. I had a white version, a brown tobacco clear version and I think there was even a menthol version. The rubbery Hoover air fresheners were indeed manufactured by airbal, it used to say it on the packaging. I still have quite a few of them in all four variants.

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Post# 389802 , Reply# 25   4/4/2018 at 11:32 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Aha!

Thanks Roger for confirming. I had tried doing an internet search for the 'Airwick ball', but found nowt. Google searches are very odd these days - everything under the sun gets lumped together.

Post# 390031 , Reply# 26   4/7/2018 at 02:59 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Aerus Lux man gave me some deodorizer packets for Lux vacuums-these have a nice,refeshing smell.Now using it in my other vacuums.Next time I see him will ask if I can buy a large pack of them!!You have to smell it to see.Also have those Sebo stick deodorizers.They have a subtile lime-lem smell-rather pleasant.




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