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Post# 387330   3/6/2018 at 11:02 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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The new Dyson V10 has been launched with an announcement that Dyson will not be developing any corded vacuums in future, so it may be time to stock up on corded machines while you can. Seems strange that Dyson are more or less phasing out corded cleaners, but cordless models are all over the place now, though I haven't used one that could replace a mains powered cleaner yet.

I would like one, but I still have a V7 and V8 to unbox, though I have asked Dyson for a freebie, but I'm not holding my breath.


Post# 387331 , Reply# 1   3/6/2018 at 11:10 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Another link about the V10.


Post# 387332 , Reply# 2   3/6/2018 at 11:17 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I had a feeling this was going to happen 😉
Could this be the beginning of the end of corded vacuums!

I do like the look of the V10 but I don't like the price 🙈

I would like one though!


Post# 387333 , Reply# 3   3/6/2018 at 11:43 by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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And just when I thought Dyson couldn't get any worse... XD

Post# 387334 , Reply# 4   3/6/2018 at 11:55 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Could be a big mistake. Surely it's going to hit their sales?

I bet Shark will be laughing all the way to the bank :)

Post# 387336 , Reply# 5   3/6/2018 at 12:13 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Interesting. The wave of the future perhaps? Of course, not all manufacturers are going to jump ship and follow suit and I certainly don't see any of the commercial machines going to cordless models (not anytime soon at least).

Post# 387337 , Reply# 6   3/6/2018 at 12:18 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Ok, if this is actually the case.. I guess we are all stuck with the Cinetic or Ball Animal 2.

Iíve been very disappointed to see Dyson diversifying to Lighting, Hair Dryers, etc.. when all Iíve wanted is a practical and functional designed vacuum... less Transformers, more about the cleaning performance!

Donít get me wrong, I love my Dyson vacuums, my Heater and Fans... but the Dyson Ball Animal 2 is Sooooo close, just a few more design changes and I think they could satisfy the needs of a large majority of their potential customers.

I wish my Ball Animal 2 had the following tweaks... Suction Control for both the floorhead and the attachment tool hose. Easier/Cleaner Dirt bin emptying..l the V8 and Cinetic Canister is close and much more effective way to empty. Offer a SOFT brushroll replacement option for those of us with delicate carpeting or shiny hardwood floors.. some like me do not think ďturning the brushroll OffĒ is an effective way to clean hardwood floors. (@bikerray youíre on to something great with your latest post!) With all Dyson technological designs and breakthroughs... why have they still not come up with a ďcheck/clean FilterĒ indicator or Bluetooth app to remind those folks (not as diligent as some of us) to rinse their filters. Lastly, make the attachment hose long enough and supple enough to be used without it collapsing tightly against itself when you use the tools.. Lol itís such strong suction I think the vacuum is going to attack me if I cover the end of the hose briefly.

Either way.. it is what it is.. Dyson will do what they want, not what the consumer wants. Iím all for development of new cordless vacuums BUT I still want the option to buy a cool, kick A*s new corded vacuum too.

Thanks guys for sharing the links to articles, I appreciate the information. Sorry Mark, I couldnít get your link to work? Might be since Iím in the US?

Exciting, interesting but slightly worrisome news for a corded vacuum collector.. but at least I wonít have to worry about my Cinetic or Ball Animal 2 becoming obsolete by a new model soon. Lol

Post# 387338 , Reply# 7   3/6/2018 at 12:19 by tazcatsdad (Buffalo, NY)        
You can bet your booty that I won't be buying one!

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Cordless cleaners are fine for quick pick-ups, but that's about all they're good for (IMHO, anyway).  If one wants true cleaning power, there's no substitute for a corded vacuum!


I've even tried using cordless power nozzles like the Miele Accu-Nova, which is essentially a battery-powered SEB 217: believe me, it's not that great.  No matter how long I charge the battery for, I can only get a few minutes' run time out of it before I have to either recharge the battery or put in the replacement.


So long story short: thanks but no thanks, Sir James!  I'll be sticking to my old corded relics!


Bill W.

Post# 387339 , Reply# 8   3/6/2018 at 12:27 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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It won't be long till cordless can match a corded vac and battery technology is advancing very fast.

In the not too distant future corded vacs will become obsolete apart from very niche market.

Post# 387341 , Reply# 9   3/6/2018 at 12:54 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

That's a good point. Items like push mowers have started years ago. I was skeptical about even considering buying one for years but when Kobalt came out with a lightweight mulching/bagged push mower with 2 lithium ion batteries that each run about 30 or more minutes (depending on grass height), I was sold and bought one. I couldn't be happier with its performance. Beats pushing that previous heavy mower around and having to stop it to fill it up again with gas. Plus, I can use one battery in the mower while the other is charging - only takes them 30 minutes or less to fully charge!

I am interested in that new Oreck Pod vacuum that is coming out, but it states it takes 2.5 hours to fully charge the battery...wish it was less time.

Post# 387344 , Reply# 10   3/6/2018 at 14:51 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
big mistake

The fact is, cordless vacuums are not as powerful as corded ones, even corded machines from 30 or 40 years ago are more powerful than a cordless. I wonder if Dyson will continue to sell their current corded models or if they will no longer be made. The only cordless vacuum related item I have is the Volt nozzle. I think Dyson is making a big mistake with this decision, but time will tell.

Post# 387346 , Reply# 11   3/6/2018 at 15:00 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Dyson claim that the V10 on max power is as powerful as a corded cleaner and they will keep improving them and the battery power over the next few years.

The end of corded vacuums is coming. 😁

Post# 387347 , Reply# 12   3/6/2018 at 15:03 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Iím not surprised by this news from Dyson as James Dyson himself has hinted in interviews in the past that he eventually will go fully cordless with his vacuum cleaners in the future!

Here in the UK people seem to live busier lifestyles (probably in other Countries too) most people donít do or have time to do weekly deep cleans anymore! They want easy to use and quick to use products around the house and cordless vacuum cleaners give them that grab and go to clean messes up as they go or to clean around quickly. Some may probably have a corded vacuum cleaner for weekly cleans still! You only have to look at how popular Gtech are in the UK with their cordless range too especially with the older generation but also the young too!

@HonestJoe68 looking at some of the reviews already there is a filter indicator that tells you if the filter requires washing or is not fitted as the machine monitors air pressure and altitude pressure apparently!

I still love using my corded vacuums..... Vorwerk and SEBO! I wouldnít be surprised if Vorwerk in the future go cordless!

Post# 387348 , Reply# 13   3/6/2018 at 15:06 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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V10 sure looks cool and it promises a lot, but I am not convinced until they can actually perform like the corded ones.
Lets take for example the airflow performance. V8 has 30 cfm and average corded vacuum has 70 cfm. Best bagged vacuums has over 100 cfm.
Yes I know that the airflow isn't everything, but in my own experience it's very important to get true cleaning performance with the agitation and suction.
So there is still long way to develop the cordless vacuums to match the mains powered vacuums.

Post# 387349 , Reply# 14   3/6/2018 at 15:07 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Apparently James Dyson has said in an interview today "Yes, it's scary. We could be completely wrong. I just believe that this is the way to go."

Post# 387350 , Reply# 15   3/6/2018 at 15:08 by drsnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)        
Sad news indeed

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I do not have any cordless vacuum in my collection. I find them rather uninteresting. Ibaisiac you must have a lot of batteri chargers on your walls, I suppose smile .
The only cordless that has my attention is The Lupe One,  but I don't know how they have progressed. Interesting post this.


Post# 387351 , Reply# 16   3/6/2018 at 15:26 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I hear the Lupe One is coming out later this year!

They have put a bit more information on the website since I last looked with a full picture of the machine.

Check out the website here...

Be interesting to see how this does, plus Iím interested to see how Oreck Cordless POD does to! Not sure we will get that in the UK!

Post# 387352 , Reply# 17   3/6/2018 at 15:38 by JUJU93 (florida)        
Whats I like and dislike about the v10

I was totally shocked when I saw this unit today. I was especting a v10 of some sort to come out in the future (like around 2020) and I say this because the v8 was just release like a little over a year and a half ago and then the v7 not even a year ago. What I like about this unit is that theres a bigger bin and also the self cleaning bin thats also on the v7 and v8. I also like the indicators on the machine letting us know of battery level, blockages and more. What I also like is the fact they use the same tools as the v7 and v8. What I don't like about the v10 soft roller cleaner head is the fact that it has that small blue roller on the back of the brush. Like if you look at a v7 and some later v8 units, the soft rollerr head only has the one thick roller, which is in my opinion better than the original soft roller head with the 2 rollers (the tiny thin blue one in the back and the thick one in the front). The new soft roller head on the v7 (absolute) and newer v8s only having that one roller makes it easier and less hassle to clean. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Im curious as to how that new direct drive brush bar will affect the time on these units.

Post# 387353 , Reply# 18   3/6/2018 at 15:40 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Reading the article again, it says that Dyson will stop developing corded vacuums in the next 25 years, so they will still be producing corded machines. Who knows where vacuum cleaners will be in 25 years, but I suspect cordless and robotic machines will be the main sellers.

Post# 387354 , Reply# 19   3/6/2018 at 15:59 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Iíve read it they are to stop developing corded vacuums after 25 years of being in business developing corded machines..... ? Or does it mean within the next 25 years!

I think your right there the main market will be cordless and robotic.

Post# 387355 , Reply# 20   3/6/2018 at 16:09 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Oh yes, I read it wrong. Oh well I am nearly 50 and my brain cells have been killed off by all the dust I've inhaled. Well then, it looks like I will have to start panic buying corded Dyson's then.

Post# 387357 , Reply# 21   3/6/2018 at 16:14 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Hopefully Dyson will start to produce a more traditional looking corded upright and cylinder model and not just focus on the hand held stick variety.

Post# 387362 , Reply# 22   3/6/2018 at 16:24 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Well it had me reading the article several times after and got me thinking! Donít worry easily done Iím always doing it, I donít think the article is worded correctly to be honest. In fact other articles on the subject are worded the same. Lol what you like, well you have done lots of demos with lots of dust but Iím sure itís not effected your brain ;-)

You will do, be interesting as to when they will phase out their current corded machines!

Youíd hope they would!

Post# 387363 , Reply# 23   3/6/2018 at 16:26 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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And I'm sure the battery packs will be sealed inside the machines so they can't be replaced, further ensuring a frequent replacement cycle. Sorry, but I refuse to play that game.

Post# 387367 , Reply# 24   3/6/2018 at 18:03 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

I knew something was up last night as I couldnít log into my Dyson account due to website maintenance. Lol

I also noticed some price changes on some of the cordless model parts.. the replacement Cyclone and Bin for my V8 are a bit cheaper. If the V10 drives the V6, V7 & V8 Prices down that would be great.

But ok.. Iíve got to say something... $699 bucks!! So seven hundred dollars.. I could buy a great Miele corded Canister or Upright.. I could buy a Sebo Felix corded Upright... I can even buy a Riccar SupraLite Cordless Full Sized Upright for the same price and Iím betting it performs better, at least on carpeting... bare floors, the Fluffy is pretty decent.

Thanks to all of you sharing info and links.. I thought Iíd post a few pics from the USA Dyson website for fun.

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Post# 387379 , Reply# 25   3/6/2018 at 21:19 by huskyvacs (Northern Indiana)        

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Just another case of a company telling you how to live your life, what you can and cannot have. You are no longer free to think for yourself, your thoughts and life is now owned by Sir Dyson.

Sorry I'll keep using my Dyson DC07 that I got off the side of the road for free.

I just find it ironic that all these "save the environment" people that push companies to do this keep promoting battery power, which when used in vacuums cleans worse, is weaker, and pollutes the air twice as much by the Chinese battery factories more than a traditional power plant ever would.

If you want to know how fun it is repairing cordless vacuums, try buying a battery pack for one of these little guys.

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Post# 387380 , Reply# 26   3/6/2018 at 21:34 by broomvac (N/A)        

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With this news, I just treated myself to a vacuum I have been on the fence about buying for years: a Dyson Cinetic Allergy (the chrome-topped one). The price has always held me back, but with the factory refurbished ones going for more than 72% off from the official Dyson Outlet on Ebay and the onset of this news, I took the plunge. It's on its way as we speak.

Stay tuned.

Post# 387383 , Reply# 27   3/6/2018 at 22:29 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Congratulations! You made a good choice, the Cinetic is a good vacuum and if you saw Roger Langís (ibaisaic) recent Dyson Video, the refurbished Dyson vacuums literally look Brand New! Rogers had all new parts, new cyclone, new bin, all new filters etc. he was very impressed! I attached the link and even though his refurbished Dyson was a totally different model, he said Dyson do excellent refurbs. He also had his Dyson Cinetic as his ďVacuum of the monthĒ this February and it was amazing to see ALL that it vacuumed up in 30 days. Check out his Cinetic video in his ďDysonĒ playlist on YouTube.

You should really enjoy it and have fun when it arrives.. I hope you can share pics with us, when it arrives.. So much fun.

Thanks for sharing! I attached pics of mine for fun.. Iíve had mine for a couple years and recently got it out of my Vacuum Storage to use. Enjoy!


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Post# 387386 , Reply# 28   3/6/2018 at 23:35 by broomvac (N/A)        
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Thank you! I'll admit, Roger somewhat inspired me to make this purchase, too. I enjoy following his channel and have seen the videos you speak of.

The Cinetic I purchased is the same "edition" as the one he has. I was impressed (but not at all surprised) by the performance of his Cinetic upright, and seeing that video put the idea of getting one back into my head. Then I saw his clip about factory refurbished Dysons and was convinced that if I was going to get a Cinetic, getting a refurbished one would be the way to go.

Incidentally, I also have a refurbished Fantom Thunder which I stumbled upon in a thrift shop. Years ago, it was rebuilt in Buffalo, NY, the same city my Dyson is coming from! Maybe these cleaners have been redone by the same people? Wouldn't that be cool? Two "Dysons," made years apart, both brought back to life by the same people!

I really like your Cinetic. Is that a Multi Floor? That is going to be a very rare cleaner someday, if not already. The Multi Floor is not a mainstream 'flavor' of the Cinetic as it is, so the matte silver one is certainly an oddball. Did you get that on Amazon? I think that is the only place I have seen them available. Thanks for sharing!

Post# 387388 , Reply# 29   3/7/2018 at 00:16 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

I actually received my Cinetic directly from Dyson as a gift for my loyalty. I owned at one point, 20 Dyson vacuums and three Fans and the Hot & Cool with Jet Focus. Dyson have been very kind to me and Iíve been given three free vacuums so far, a V6 Absolute, the Cinetic ďBig Ball Multi Floor ExclusiveĒ and a DC65 Animal. Dyson always gives me free expedited shipping and a discount on my purchases.

So anyway, it arrived at my house not long after they hit the market and I wasnít even expecting it. So I was flabbergasted to say the least. Iíve kept the box and donít run it much as Iím saving it for good. Iím not sure who sold them in this matte finish silver either?. I never saw one in the stores before mine showed up. I do know there is also a dark reddish burgundy color as well as the typical Blue and Purple Cinetic versions.

Mine came with every tool too, a separate box arrived and it had every single tool beyond what was packaged with my Cinetic. In a way I kinda wish they hadnít sent me the Cinetic as Iíd have loved to get the New V10.. I emailed my customer service friend to ask her if thereís a chance I can get one, but Iím Not holding my breath Lol. Iíve only bought two this year, my Ball Animal 2 (Purple) and Small Ball Multi Floor in Gold with the top tier of cyclones being the graphite grey. So Iíve slowed way down and they probably want me to buy more first.

Have fun with your new Cinetic and please post pics.. I canít wait to see if you love it! Have fun and thanks for the questions.

Post# 387390 , Reply# 30   3/7/2018 at 01:27 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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The new V10 looks very nice, and I've been a Dyson cordless fanatic since the DC16, which I bought 10 years ago. So far I've owned the DC16, the DC35 (their first stick vacuum, which I saw as revolutionary), the DC59 Animal, the V6 Absolute, and my current V8 Absolute. As I've upgraded, I've sold my previous-gen models to friends, who have all been happy with them.

Going all-cordless, although very bold, has me worried. My main concern is planned obsolescence. For instance, although my friends were happy with the DC16, it eventually simply disappeared from their house, once the battery no-longer held a charge. I'm sure my old DC35 is overdue for a new battery as well. Once the batteries wear out, like with phones and laptops, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer (or third party) to hopefully continue to produce the parts to keep it going.

My other concern is that some of Dyson's current uprights are awesome, and clean much better on carpeting than any of their cordless vacuums. Although my V8 is a fantastic and versatile machine, it doesn't deep-clean carpeting nearly as well as most of Dyson's current uprights, or most good corded vacuums in general. I can already tell their bold cleaning claims will get a smackdown in comparison tests, against most "conventional" vacuums.

I like cordless, but I like the reliability and longevity of a corded machine as well. It'll be a huge bummer if Dyson phases out corded machines completely.

Post# 387391 , Reply# 31   3/7/2018 at 02:53 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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The V10 has 140 air watts in max mode which compares very well with corded max mode it will last 10 mins. In standard mode around 30 mins. But as I said this will get better and better over the coming years.

You have to admire Dyson technology 😁

Post# 387392 , Reply# 32   3/7/2018 at 03:10 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have the simplicity Freedom cordless and the same thing under Aerus-Lux.These are the ONLY cordless machines I like.I have the Greenworks 60V mower and the Kobalt 80V one.Both work well.I would think if it could be done with mowers-why not vacuums?And also have the Kobalt 80V leafblower and weedeater trimmer.

Post# 387394 , Reply# 33   3/7/2018 at 04:42 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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If you use a non powered tool such as a crevice, dusting or upholstery tool it will last 60 mins.

Post# 387397 , Reply# 34   3/7/2018 at 06:03 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Dyson need to be careful when answering rubtimes to people asking as one reply to someone on their Facebook Page was this.......

ďKeeping in in mind that the MAX suction setting is designed for use with tough cleaning jobs, Dyson V10 will provide up to 6 minutes when used in the MAX suction setting. Please also note, however, that this mode would essentially not be needed very often, thanks to the suction slider at the cleaner head. This allows you to adjust the suction power at the cleaner head for various cleaning around your home.

Dyson V10 will provide up to 20 minutes in suction setting 2 and up to 30 minutes in suction setting 1, when used with a motorized floor tool. Otherwise, you can expect up to 60 minutes of run time when used with any other non-motorized attachments.Ē

Post# 387398 , Reply# 35   3/7/2018 at 06:43 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Maybe Iím off target here, but has Dyson figured out a way to process their old batteries without harming the environment? The whole trend toward cordless appliances is producing tons of toxic batteries that eventually must be properly recycled. This canít be good for the waste management departments of our cities. I would love to see how Dyson proposes to deal with all those batteries that eventually must be thrown away.

It reminds me of the dreamy promises made by the computer industry about futuristic ďpaperless officesĒ. With cheap ink tank printers available to buy, I think we are definitely dumping more paper into the waste bin then ever before. And what are all those ink tanks and laser printer cartridges doing to our land fill dumpsites? Even the warehouses of computer equipment needed for our use of the internet and digital communucations needs lots of electricity to keep them cooled and air conditioned. Maybe this need to cool all those servers and computer rooms is a major contributor to ďglobal warmingĒ?

If the young generation is so concerned about environmental issues, they may need to reduce their hunger for appliances and machines that help them speed things up as they try to get things done faster in the rat races of the world. Life in the ďfast laneĒ does have its downsides.

It would be great if James Dyson could show me how he proposes to process all those complicated batteries from his cordless machines when they need to be thrown away.

Post# 387399 , Reply# 36   3/7/2018 at 06:50 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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What about all those bags that are thrown away? That is a substantial amount over a nation going to landfill.

Post# 387400 , Reply# 37   3/7/2018 at 06:56 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Personally I prefer bagged cleaners but they do have an affect on the environment.

Post# 387401 , Reply# 38   3/7/2018 at 06:57 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Indeed, but those paper and cloth bags are filled mostly with dust and are probably not as toxic as the batteries going into the landfills. They also probably get compressed into a half of their size in the landfills. The dirt dumped from a bagless vacuum still has to go into a garbage bag which is usually plastic. So you still have a bag of dirt going into a all those extra foam filters needed in bagless vacuums.

Post# 387402 , Reply# 39   3/7/2018 at 07:08 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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And actually you can recycle batteries.

As for foam filters they are washable and bagged cleaners have disposable filters.

The V10 has done away with a pre motor filter I think. It only has the washable Hepa filter now.

Post# 387404 , Reply# 40   3/7/2018 at 07:29 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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It would be interesting to do a study of the environmental impact of a top performing corded, bagged stick vac, versus a cordless, bagless stick vac. For example whatís the environmental impact of one year of use and final disposal of a Dyson V8 versus a Miele bagged stick vac (fitted with the basic power nozzle). Both are highly rated machines with good filtration.

I know batteries are recyclable, but this recycling of batteries is often not done by the consumer, and when it is done, it requires yet another government expenditure of energy and resources. Does Dyson offer an easy way of accepting used batteries from their consumers, like printer companies do for their toner cartridges?

Also, I wonder what the extra use of electricity costs society by having these cordless vacs always plugged in and charging?

Post# 387405 , Reply# 41   3/7/2018 at 07:42 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That would be a good debate 😁

Post# 387412 , Reply# 42   3/7/2018 at 08:53 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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The filter on the V10 is a pre and post filter in one from what Iíve read and video of Jake Dyson launching it in one Country! Not sure what type of filter it is, the UK website says whole filteration system (sealed system). But why have a post motor filter if the motor is brushless and the cyclones and pre filter do all the filtering?

Iíve always wondered what electricity these cordless machines use, they do say once the battery is fully charged it doesnít consume anymore electricity even if left on charge!!!

I was wondering about what happens with the battery once itís end of life? What about the full environmental impact on manufacturing the batteries, the motor and machine so the whole lifecycle of the product! People are becoming more interested as well in how companies manufacture their products too! What impact does that have on the environment too.

Post# 387414 , Reply# 43   3/7/2018 at 09:11 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I use my V8? everyday, I just think of the power I save with this OCD clean all the time fool living alone, keeping busy. The charger is a smart charger I remember reading.I am done in minutes, with the corded well a lot longer running many amps. Weekly deep clean still happens.Kirby, Lux or Royal. I am sure it saves me lots of power though.

Post# 387423 , Reply# 44   3/7/2018 at 10:28 by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        
Run Times

I think the new V10 looks good. I have a V8 Absolute and its fine. Though I wish that Dyson would not mislead customers with the '60 minutes' claim.

The 60 minutes does not apply to when the machine is used as a vacuum cleaner on carpets with the motorhead attached.

Its 6 minutes on MAX. 20 Minutes on setting 2 with the large motorised head on and 30 minutes on setting 1 with the large motorised head on. So that equates to an extra 5 minutes if I bought a V10 and used it in the same way as I use my V8 Absolute. I get 25 minutes run time and not 40 minutes as Dyson claim. The V10 would give me 30 minutes and not 60 minutes! - I feel this is very misleading.

The cordless Dyson would not match a full size vacuum cleaner when I do decorating or when moving stuff around when doing a deep down clean with powerful suction. 6 Minutes on Max would not be suitable for me and I would not want it.

I like having the plug in and being able to use it every so often.

Who knows eh, Dyson are confident about their decision to stop developing plug in machines. Its the way that people are going. I'm an advocate for my cordless machine, but I do love a bagged SEBO Felix vacuum cleaner too and also my old DC24.

Post# 387426 , Reply# 45   3/7/2018 at 10:54 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Mad Sebo you are correct there is a pre motor filter that surrounds the motor and its also attached to the Hepa filter.

Black AEG with Dyson now putting all their money into bagless it won't be too long till their cordless vac clean as well as a corded vac and the battery will last a lot longer


Post# 387435 , Reply# 46   3/7/2018 at 13:45 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)

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Very good video by Steve ( Madabouthoovers)

The battery technology has not improved as much as I thought. 151 Airwatts on Max power is very impressive for a Cordless but only 5 Mins run time!

Post# 387436 , Reply# 47   3/7/2018 at 13:46 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Post# 387450 , Reply# 48   3/7/2018 at 17:33 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I think makers of traditional corded bagged vacuums - Tacony, Kirby, Aerus, Electrolux, Miele and Sebo - should do some research into how their kind of classic vacuums are actually better for the environment than all these newfangled bagless cordless vacs. Swedenís Electrolux has even promoted their ďgreenĒ vacuums which are made of recycled plastic. They could market their products as more environmentally-friendly! No batteries to recycle, no chargers constantly plugged in, no filter washing needed, less noise pollution and better filtered air quality in the house too. Would be interesting to see the results of a scientific comparison! 🙂

Post# 387472 , Reply# 49   3/7/2018 at 22:07 by mixman (Central NJ)        
Dyson may be onto something.....

You know what.....I have some of the best corded vacs like an Kirby Avalir, Miele C3, Sebo Felix, but the vacs that get used the most are my Dysons..... V6, V7 and V8. It's purely about convenience to be able to just pick it up and slap whatever tool on it and clean up something in less than a minute. I have a feeling this is where most people are headed as far as vacuums. Sure they will probably still have one powerful corded around but I would say the vacs that will begin to get the most use will be the cordless ones.

I am sure Dyson will still sell big corded vacs but will just not put as much into R&D for them. I guess corded vacs have become about as good as they will become, so minimal R&D needed there, but cordless on the other hand will continue to get better suction as the batteries get better.

Post# 387496 , Reply# 50   3/8/2018 at 06:40 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The only new cordless vacuum product Iíd be interested in would be an effective cordless powered carpet nozzle that can attach to any corded canister vac. If the battery technology has advanced to the point where I could get 2 hours of run time on a cordfree power nozzle for a canister vac, that would be a great achievement. Same thing with a mini power nozzle for furniture and mattresses. Mieleís AccuNova nozzle had the best of intentions, but they should have worked on improving it and solving the run-time problems it had.

Post# 387522 , Reply# 51   3/8/2018 at 14:39 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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Brian, you say you want a cordless power nozzle? Um, hello, have you not seen the Volt powerhead that Tacony has come out with? You got your wish :P

As for the environmental effects of bagged cleaners, I think the one thing everyone forgets here is most new bagged cleaners use HEPA Cloth bags. And those bags are made of polypropylene, which is PLASTIC, no matter how you say it! I personally think cordless cleaners would cause more environmental harm due to the batteries, but either way both types of cleaners will have some negative impact on the environment.

Now, what do I think of Dyson eliminating corded vacuums? I am not liking it at all! If they REALLY thought cordless stick vacuums is the future, they should have waited a bit longer to improve the battery technology even more. I really don't like Dyson's powerhead. I much prefer the powerhead Shark uses on their stick vacuums, just like a regular canister vacuum powerhead but made smaller for a stick vacuum, much better at deep cleaning than Dyson's powerhead. And the one thing missing in their thinking that they will NEVER be able to accomplish with their cordless stick vacuums is bin capacity. There's no way to put a huge bin like their uprights have on a cordless stick vacuum. And that's a problem, because families need that capacity to clean large, messy homes, which is why many people consider cordless stick vacuums as supplementary cleaners, NOT a replacement for a full size canister or upright vacuum. If Dyson had developed a cordless upright or canister, like LG, Riccar/Simplicity or Hoover has, that would have been better.

Plus, I think whether Dyson wants to admit it or not, I think their abandoning corded vacuums is their way of acknowledging there is no way of developing corded vacuum technology further, & their designs are maxed out & cannot be improved further. The ONLY good thing that could come from this is their competitors will steal & copy their Root Cyclone technology & improve their own vacuums.


Post# 387525 , Reply# 52   3/8/2018 at 15:19 by mariotron (Refugio )        
Knowing them... not surprising.

I just hope all the other brands don't jump on the bandwagon and do the same thing.

Also, It looks like repairs is going to be a bigger pain and dirt capacity is gonna suck.

Post# 387534 , Reply# 53   3/8/2018 at 18:58 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I think the Volt has too big a wand. I would want one without a wand that could attach to my Miele telescopic wand with the simple click of the Miele latch. I also would want a removeable battery that recharges on its own charger (like the Hoover Lynx) so I can store the nozzle in a closet that has no electric plug.

Post# 387535 , Reply# 54   3/8/2018 at 19:07 by S2_82 (Columbus, Ohio)        

Me personally.. I hate anything cordless just as much as I do bagless..
In my experience, cordless vacuums are weak, lousy at cleaning, a waste of money and have a short life expectancy unless your willing to keep paying for expensive batteries. Um no thanks! My corded vacs will keep chugging along at max power and never skip a beat. Besides, I never met a cord on a vacuum I never got along with..

Post# 387541 , Reply# 55   3/8/2018 at 21:55 by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

I don't think every manufacturer is going to jump behind this. You have to think Dyson is a premium brand. Not everyone is going to be able to go out and buy one of these. It will be YEARS before this kind of technology is affordable for everyone. I still see a lot of people buying traditional corded vacuums as well mostly due to two facts: cost and performance. Yes these are great for quick cleaning or for very small homes, but they still at this moment cannot beat a traditional corded machine.

Post# 387575 , Reply# 56   3/9/2018 at 11:16 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
corded vacuums are not going away

If Dyson wants to spend all of their resources on cordless vacs, that is their choice, but the corded vacuum will not be going away any time soon. At this time, no cordless vacuum is as powerful as the corded machines, it's just not there yet, while it might be possible to create a machine that is just as powerful, because of limitations in battery technology the run time would be so short that it would not be practical. I doubt there is any cordless vac that could be used for a full clean of a house or apartment, for quick cleans perhaps but for a full deep clean the cordless machines are limited by power and run time.
I do think the Volt is an awesome power nozzle, I love mine.

Post# 387578 , Reply# 57   3/9/2018 at 11:41 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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We will have to wait and see. Dyson have increased the performance by 40% since the V6 and with all their investment now going into cordless changing times are coming.
Did you know that the latest motor spins at 125,000 rpm? That's quite a feat in engineering 😀👍
But the dinosaurs on here will never give Dyson credit no matter what they do 😁

Post# 387581 , Reply# 58   3/9/2018 at 12:19 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Post# 387584 , Reply# 59   3/9/2018 at 14:02 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Very interesting video!


Post# 387654 , Reply# 60   3/10/2018 at 04:04 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The cordless Dyson-too me this is simply a machine for spot cleaning-WILL NOT replace a full size corded vacuum.Batteries eventually do wear and burn out-so they have to be recycled or disposed of.They can last for many recharge cycles so they are better than disposable non rechargeable batteries.
Stuff going to the landfill-its going to get a "pressing" journey to there-the trash truck compactor-these can compress over 1000lbs into only one cubic yard!The landfill compactor is a massive machine with an oversized dozer type blade and lugged steel wheels-these can weigh over 200,000 pounds-----so anyting they walk over is going to be crushed and shredded by the toothed wheels and then behindeach wheel is a very large "cleaner bar" to clean stuff that gets wrapped in the whhels-then the stuff gets compacted a few tmes as the compactor spreads the debris with the blade-then crushed under the wheels.The compactor often runs over the stuff a few passes.
And-a thought on recharging----best to NOT leave the charger plugged in and the device left on it-this can shorten the life of the battery.Unplug the device from the charger and the charger from the wall when not uins it to actually charge the battery.I do this with all of my cordless machines-and no problems.

Post# 387661 , Reply# 61   3/10/2018 at 04:48 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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But have you actually used the V10?

As I said in a previous post you can recycle bags.

Look at all the bags and disposable filter s on a bagged cleaner that go to.landfill quite significant over a nation.

I'm getting a V10 next week. Can't wait to try it our. The reviews are very positive 😁

Post# 387665 , Reply# 62   3/10/2018 at 05:05 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Recycle batteries I meant to say

Post# 387685 , Reply# 63   3/10/2018 at 10:27 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

I'm not convinced at all.

The V10 run times are spin-doctored (as usual). Real-world use reveals a much lesser run time.

Batteries can and do wear out. Dyson should have offered the option of swap-over batteries.

Trigger-action switches are no good for arthritic hands. A rocker switch would have been better - but a rocker switch can be left 'on' and thus reveal the true battery life of the machine, i.e. not long at all.

And then there's the design... Uprights can be locked in the upright position whilst you alter the furniture, answer the door, etc. This thing has to be propped up against something, or laid flat on some surface. Woolly thinking on Dyson's part.

If this new super-duper motor is oh-so-wonderful, why the bloody hell can't they stick it in a super-lightweight, corded upright machine, which doesn't fall over?

Finally, the price... £400 - £500? Pffft! No chance!

Post# 387688 , Reply# 64   3/10/2018 at 10:47 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I agree they should make it possible to swap the battery over and it is definitely overpriced but still I think it's a great vac!The reviews so far are very positive.👍

Post# 387696 , Reply# 65   3/10/2018 at 12:29 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

I realize the cordless thing is seen by many as an advancement. But I can't help think that it isn't really. I mean how much of an improvement is it to go from plugging in a vacuum when you need it and having it work every time (as long as the outlet and electricity is working) to having to charge/buy/replace a battery in addition to possibly having it run down before you are finished?

Seems to me sometimes the trade-off isn't worth it... But maybe I'm wrong.

Post# 387698 , Reply# 66   3/10/2018 at 12:59 by broomvac (N/A)        

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I think it would be great if cordless Dysons also worked while plugged in.

I use my DC34 to vacuum my car. Sometimes, it runs out of battery before I am finished. It would be great if I could simply plug it into the charger and keep going.

Post# 387711 , Reply# 67   3/10/2018 at 14:17 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Intrigued by the battery onboard I decided to email Dyson UK to ask a few questions about the battery.

You can remove the battery by removing the 2 screws I was told. They will be selling the batteries in the near future but not available at present as the machine has just launched! So you could buy additional if needed or to replace the original one! I was told the battery is recyclable too!

Post# 387712 , Reply# 68   3/10/2018 at 14:22 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes you could get replacement battery pack for the V6 and V8 but I think he meant it would be good if you could just pop one battery into the cleaner while charging another. Effectively doubling the cleaning time.

Yes batteries are recyclable.

Post# 387716 , Reply# 69   3/10/2018 at 14:53 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Sorry, it get what you mean. Yes that would be good idea! The battery should be easy to take out without the need for a screw driver to remove 2 screws!

They should mention the batteries are recyclable!

Post# 387718 , Reply# 70   3/10/2018 at 15:05 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Dyson won't supply the batteries directly as they claim they have to be fitted by an engineer, but they may be available from other sources.

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Post# 387719 , Reply# 71   3/10/2018 at 15:33 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Just my two cents worth of opinions Iíll add to the Dyson V10 discussion...

My Hoover REACT cordless (priced at $199 vs $500 to $700 for Dyson) has several features I wish Dyson had included in the V10 design:

1) Removable, Easily Replaceable Battery Pack.. you also could have Two batteries for extended use. I was able to buy (extremely expensive though) an extra Battery for My Dyson DC44! No tools, it just changed out with the push of a button, like todayís best cordless Drills!

2) Bluetooth Phone App to monitor Filters and adjust the Vacuum Settings to the users preferences. Basically more than a flashing ďidiot lightĒ I NEED control and information! Lol

3) Bright LED Lights on the Floor Brushroll! A HUGE peeve of mine with ALL Dysons!

4) Lower Prices on accessories and minor replacement parts! Dyson parts are WAY too expensive!

5) Function and Indicator lights and a Detailed Battery life indicator, more than three tiny blue lights! (If the V10 gives at least 25% increments, then ok but Iím not sure)

6) Saved my biggest gripe for last! lol Please donít all light torches and chase me for this.. on my Hoover REACT.. if you pull the on/off Trigger and hold, itís just like all Dyson Cordless... BUT Hoover listens to customer requests and if you pull the trigger twice, the vacuum STAYS ON! Lol itís Not that difficult Dyson. But the Hoover (yes, I understand it doesnít clean as well as a V6 or V8.. but the battery lasts Much longer on the Hoover, so this is why Hoover can make the constantly On feature)

Lastly, things that Hoover doesnít necessarily do but features I wanted on this Dyson:
As high end and aesthetically pleasing as they make Dyson products.. WHY donít they include a ďFree Standing Charging Center! Something sleek with storage for all the accessory tools! Or in not a Stand, at least a caddy for all the accessories and attachment tools? Sure you can buy a Dyson hanging tool storage bag with pockets or the Black Dyson bag with no pockets for an outrageous price.. but you sell a fully loaded Absolute, for example with like ten attachments but no where to store them.. Kirbyís nice caddy comes to mind.

I wanted the V10 immediately but I still do NOT see enough changes and improvements to warrant $700 bucks, when Iím still extremely happy with the V8 Dyson so kindly gave me. Iím saving my Money for the Oreck Pod Cordless because I HATE emptying any bagless vacuum.. ANY bagless.. Hate it! Yuck Lol. Thanks guys, love all your points and facts and opinions.. it helps me make better purchasing decisions.

Post# 387720 , Reply# 72   3/10/2018 at 16:09 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Be interesting if they change that approach with the V10 regarding sourcing new batteries. The answer I got that you would be able to purchase batteries in th3 future fir the machine. We will have to see if this is the case as it doesnít seem that on current models.

Post# 387817 , Reply# 73   3/12/2018 at 09:36 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

I agree with you, I'm saving my money for the Oreck Pod as well due to it having a "pod" to capture the dirt/debris. Our house is not that big and it will be handy for quick cleaning. I will continue to use my corded bagged models for weekly or so cleanings.

The Dyson V10 seems uninteresting and the price is too high. I cannot see the it, or any other stick vacuum being a suitable replacement for a corded and bagged vacuum. Folks that have larger houses won't be able to vacuum the entire house on a single charge. No one is going to want to wait for the vacuum to recharge so they can finish vacuuming (if they can't vacuum everything in the initial 30 minutes or so). As HonestJoe68 said, the vacuum really needs to come with TWO batteries that easy to replace so the consumer can have another battery ready to go when the first one is exhausted. Consumers are not going to want to have to get the screwdriver out to replace a battery.

I personally do not find a corded vacuum inconvenient to use. Maybe some folks do. So what if I have to change outlets a couple times. It takes only seconds to that and you always have power.

Post# 387820 , Reply# 74   3/12/2018 at 09:41 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Steve Madabouthoovers did a video on YouTube today using his V8. In 7 minutes he did 2 rooms downstairs his stairs and an upstairs bedroom 😉
So 25 mins should be more than sufficient for most people


Post# 387822 , Reply# 75   3/12/2018 at 09:49 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Looks like a fairly light cleaning of floor surfaces only (and stairs). He didn't do the baseboards, ceiling corners, furniture, etc. in those 7 minutes :) Maybe the remaining battery time would allow for that.

Post# 387823 , Reply# 76   3/12/2018 at 09:55 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I'm not going to argue about it. The majority of people on here will never have anything positive to say about Dyson even though they have designed a very good product that millions of people are going to love.

But that's fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion 😌

Post# 387825 , Reply# 77   3/12/2018 at 10:07 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

No arguing here, just friendly discussion :) I think most collectors in general are always going to be more biased about certain branded products. For me, that spills over into other things like cars. Personally, I would likely never buy a foreign car like a Honda or Hyundai, no matter what they developed. I'm just in general more loyal to our domestic brands.

Post# 387827 , Reply# 78   3/12/2018 at 10:10 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That's fair enough.I like a wide range of brands. If the product is good I don't care who makes it 😊

Post# 387832 , Reply# 79   3/12/2018 at 11:04 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hi Jason!

I totally agree and my main reason for Not buying a Dyson V10, but spending about the same for an Oreck Pod is simple... I still absolutely Love my Dyson V8 and use it often.

I love to collect all vacuums, like Mark @Vacfan1982 I buy vacuums Not by the brand as much but by performance. Iím even more quirky as to why I buy a vacuum for my collection.. Iíve bought them strictly because I liked the color or design. Iíve got two very Similar vacuums in my Simplicity and Riccar collection only because I fell in LOVE with the Metallic Grass Green on the Fetch Pet.

So now Iím trying to buy different vacuums with unique features or different design so my collection is more diverse. I made the mistake of impulsively buying ALL the Hoover Cordless vacuums and they in many ways are basically the same. I love them, but unique or special design is what I look for now.. like the Oreck Pod using Pod Bags.

Thanks, great points and an excellent conversation amongst us all.. now if only Dyson could read this and LISTEN to their customers for once. Lol (Highly doubtful with Sir James in charge) NO shade, I promise.

Post# 387833 , Reply# 80   3/12/2018 at 11:10 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
"designed a very good product..."

I think that is a tad short-sighted.

Take a look at this - the accessory hose for the most expensive model of V10.

Notice the short length, as to make it awkward to use. Thus if you are in a cramped space (the car) and trying to clean under the seats, you've to somehow stabilise yourself whilst manipulating the short hose with one hand, and keep the trigger button pressed with the other. Not ideal.

Dyson could make three immediate design improvements:

1: a proper 'ON switch' - even if it only stayed 'on' on the minimum power level.

2: The option for the user to switch out and charge batteries separately, as previously discussed.

3: a decent hose length. Reasonably flexible and stretchable - probably of a similar length to the V10's extension tube. I'm not meaning a '6x stretchable stair-length' hose. More, a length similar to what was fitted to the original DA001, which in itself was quite short.

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Post# 387836 , Reply# 81   3/12/2018 at 11:27 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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There's always room for improvement in every vacuum cleaner.Dyson invest a lot of money in research and development and are constantly improving and innovating unlike some brands that will only change the colour of the outer bag 😁

Post# 387838 , Reply# 82   3/12/2018 at 11:30 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Patrick I ordered a V8 today. I got it for a good price and couldn't justify paying a considerable amount more for the V10

Post# 387839 , Reply# 83   3/12/2018 at 11:34 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I really feel their decision to invest all research and development into the cordless market is a good one. I think for a while they have done the corded models up to a point that it would be hard for them to improve, so in my mind good call.Better market and more profit too likely.

Post# 387840 , Reply# 84   3/12/2018 at 11:35 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Please do report back on your opinions of the V8, when you get it. I'd be interested to know how it compares to other machines.

Post# 387846 , Reply# 85   3/12/2018 at 11:44 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Will do 😊

Post# 387850 , Reply# 86   3/12/2018 at 12:04 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have physical limitations that have hit me with age and being the clean freak OCD that I am, have always cleaned daily. Before the handheld Dysons, that was a bit hard for me the last few years. Not live changing, but sure made it calmer/ easier.I find them and my old stand by dc 18, damn how many years old now?? very handy.

Post# 387851 , Reply# 87   3/12/2018 at 12:08 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Dyson's pricing...

Seems more than a bit out, as the V8 models are largely dearer (£369, £520, £550) than the newest V10 models.

Post# 387852 , Reply# 88   3/12/2018 at 12:35 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes I noticed that. Very strange. They offered me a good price though so I'm happy.

Post# 387853 , Reply# 89   3/12/2018 at 12:37 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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The V10 is priced between £400-£500 depending on the model. I got the V8 Animal for £250.

Post# 387857 , Reply# 90   3/12/2018 at 14:30 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I once heard a Hoover rep say that

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"Cordless, etc is the way to go". I have a few models. However, I'm still a cord AND bag guy, myself. I've never had a problem with either. None of my cleaners 'belches dust', for lack of a better imagination. Some will bash, 'poo poo' them. ANd, how many people NEVER change a filter in a bagless machine? "There's a filter"? I've heard, lolol.
WE know that Hoover has stopped Elites, for instance. The new thing is out now, almost too early to tell.....
I do have a few extra batteries and chargers for my machines, though.
But, give me a nice bagged, corded cleaner and I'm good to go.

Post# 387859 , Reply# 91   3/12/2018 at 15:27 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
"V8 Animal for £250"

Oooh, that's a more realistic price. Well done!

I just wish Dyson Ltd were more amenable to lower pricing. I've often had the impression that their prices are far too inflated. Surely their technological engineering costs have since been met? Or is Joe Public now subsidising the Dyson car industry too?

Post# 387860 , Reply# 92   3/12/2018 at 15:34 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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They are definitely over priced for what they are. Their sales for last year were 2.5 billion.

They do reinvest alot into R&D and their customer service is the best I've seen but still very overpriced. I thought Shark might have forced Dyson to lower their prices but Sharks prices are now increasing too!

Post# 387861 , Reply# 93   3/12/2018 at 15:42 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Congratulations Mark! Thatís an excellent deal for a Dyson V8!

I didnít mind the upgrade from the V6 to the V8 because personally for me I wanted the improvements and was thrilled when I received my V8! I wanted the higher HEPA filtration, increased power in the floor brushroll motor and vacuum itself. I also LOVE the new design attachment tool connectors.. much easier to change tools one handed. Main thing I noticed is how delightfully Quiet the V8 is compared to earlier cordless. And I especially appreciate the ďnormal to maxĒ clean power selector swith up top, conveniently located vs. the ever annoying (to me) push while pulling the trigger at the same time button. But sadly Iím Not seeing huge improvements like those from the V8 to V10! Iíll hold out for the V11 or V12 Lol

Mark, let us know but I can almost guarantee youíre going to really like your new V8! I think you made a great choice as itís actually the best cordless Iíve owned. And Iíve owned about every brand made as well as all the previous versions from Dyson.

Post# 387862 , Reply# 94   3/12/2018 at 15:46 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That's great to hear Patrick 😊

Post# 387863 , Reply# 95   3/12/2018 at 15:50 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Re: Shark

I noticed that the Shark 'infommercials' are plastered all over ITV late at night. I still think their designs are ugly and bulky though.

Post# 387864 , Reply# 96   3/12/2018 at 16:00 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Those informercials are hilarious. That guy should win an award for packing the most BS into one informercial 😁

Post# 387866 , Reply# 97   3/12/2018 at 16:23 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

I can't be doing with the constant barrage of ear-bashing from the voiceover artist. Obviously went to the same voice school as that 'Cillit Bang' bloke.

Post# 387868 , Reply# 98   3/12/2018 at 16:50 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Haha he must have 😂

Post# 387885 , Reply# 99   3/12/2018 at 20:55 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Dyson overpriced

They are overpriced here in the United States as well. For their humidifier, which according to the specs only humidifies around 200 square feet, they are charging $400. That is nuts. You can get humidifiers that will humidify 1000 square feet for half that price.

Post# 387889 , Reply# 100   3/12/2018 at 21:38 by mixman (Central NJ)        
Dyson Prices.........

Here is the thing, nobody is or should be paying full pop or near full pop for their Dyson. I have a V6 Absolute, V7 Absolute and V8 Absolute and never paid more than $350 for any of them. I will get either the refurbs or sometimes there are new deals out there too. I will wait till Black Friday and probably score a V10 for somewhere near half price, which while expensive isn't too bad considering other premium vacuums.

Post# 387932 , Reply# 101   3/13/2018 at 09:58 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
What are the model numbers...

... for the latest cordless machines?

Do they still use the 'DC**' nomenclature, or have they switched to something else?

Post# 387938 , Reply# 102   3/13/2018 at 10:56 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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They dont use the DC now. It's the Small Ball , Light Ball, The Ball and the Cinectic Big Ball.

There are model numbers too but no DC. The DC stood for Dual Cyclone. They haven't been duel cyclone for many years now 😊

Post# 387940 , Reply# 103   3/13/2018 at 11:05 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Not necessarily so.

I too thought 'DC' stood for 'dual cyclone'. But when they move to the Root 8 technology, I assumed that it really meant 'Dyson Cleaner'.

Anyway here is the Cinetic Big Ball as DC75, from John Lewis...

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Post# 387942 , Reply# 104   3/13/2018 at 11:45 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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They don't call it the DC75 now Just the Dyson big ball. John Lewis haven't updated.

The big ball weighs 19lbs. Too heavy for me!
The light ball is 15lbs that's a better weight for most people.

Post# 387943 , Reply# 105   3/13/2018 at 12:09 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

So many balls..... :)

Post# 387944 , Reply# 106   3/13/2018 at 12:21 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes a load of balls! 😁

My V8 arrived. Today so far I'm very impressed with it 👍

Post# 387945 , Reply# 107   3/13/2018 at 12:29 by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Nice! You should drink a V8 while you use your V8!

Post# 387947 , Reply# 108   3/13/2018 at 12:58 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

How does the suction compare to a corded machine?

Would it generate enough suction/airflow to power an air-powered turbo nozzle?

I ask that, because I had a DC11 cylinder, and I always got the impression that there wasn't enough suction power to drive the carpet turbo-brush. It was one of the reasons I disliked Dyson cylinder cleaners, along with air leaking in through the joints of the telescopic tube.

Post# 387949 , Reply# 109   3/13/2018 at 13:07 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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It comes with a motorised mini brush.

In Max it has more than enough suction/airflow. My carpets look very clean.

It's so lightweight and easy to manouvre plus it's quiet too.

I can see why people like them. Very convenient.

I like the self cleaning shrowd. That's a big improvement over the V6.
I would definitely recommend them providing you can get a good deal!

Post# 387950 , Reply# 110   3/13/2018 at 13:13 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I've yet to find a bagless cylinder cleaner I like.

Don't like the Dysons. The Miele Blizzard is ok. But a bit bulky and the cyclone needs work.

I will stick with my Miele C3 and Sebo E3 Premium.They cost more to run but personally I don't mind that too much.

Post# 387955 , Reply# 111   3/13/2018 at 13:58 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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I have some experience with full size cordless cleaners. Tacony has made the cordless Freedom/SupraLite models now for more than two years. They have made two engineering changes - a removable battery pack as well as increased motor speed. The battery (at full charge) lasts almost an hour, and the cleaning ability is excellent. The huge bag holds a TON of dirt - months worth in most homes.

However, they have only a perfunctory appeal to the average person. It's the older customer who really is intrigued enough to make the purchase. MANY say they don't want a cord to trip and fall over. Younger consumers never really think about falling over a vacuum cord.

The one thing I hear over and over again from people who actually Bought a cordless Riccar or Simplicity is: they clean more of the house than they ever intended (that's a good thing). At the closet to get the vac to clean up a small area, the customer turns ON the vacuum and runs it from the closet to the area they wanted to clean. Along the way, they poke into the bedrooms (since the machine is running), and they use it far longer than the 'moment' they intended to.

Funny that Dyson doesn't intend to put any more money in research for his corded line of sweepers, but still hasn't got a canister with an electric power nozzle. A stick vac will never replace a full size vacuum in most American homes, but will be a good 'quick pick up' machine. Now if I lived in a very small apartment in Europe, that would be a different matter.

Post# 387965 , Reply# 112   3/13/2018 at 14:46 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Good points.

Maybe Dyson decided they have taken their corded cleaners as far as they can and decided that people want the convenience of a cordless.

They are still going to manufacture their corded cleaners but there won't be anymore improvements.

Have they made the right decision? Only time will tell.

But I think people will be very impressed with the V10. I'm talking about the general public here of course😁

Post# 387969 , Reply# 113   3/13/2018 at 15:25 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Allow me to rephrase...

If your V8 was attached to an air-powered turbo nozzle, would the V8 be able to make the turbo nozzle work effectively on carpet? THAT would be a true measure of efficiency.

I never asked about the motor nozzle. Any lacklustre suction would be compensated for with a motorised nozzle anyway.

I remember the poor suction of the DC01, which wasn't enough to drive a turbobrush, at only 90AW.

Post# 387975 , Reply# 114   3/13/2018 at 16:37 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Well u don't know. But I'd imagine on the Max setting there would be.

Post# 387977 , Reply# 115   3/13/2018 at 17:03 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

I guess I wonít get to add a new Corded Upright Dyson to my collection for a long while!

I do Love a lot of things about my Dyson Ball Animal 2.. but a few things irritate the snot out of me and NOW they obviously wonít be changing or ďfixingĒ these frustrating things.

Does anyone care if I ask a few questions about my Corded Dysons here... or should I start a new thread??


Post# 388003 , Reply# 116   3/14/2018 at 02:01 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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@VacFan1982 so your loving your V8 then? I tried one when they came out was impressed with its power and how quiet it was!

Iím tempted to get some sort of cordless vacuum cleaner to use daily for quick clean ups!

I queried with Dyson UK as to why the differences in powerheads in the US to the UK and this was there reply:

ďThe only reason that there is a slider on the US version is the suction is slightly higher due to different regulations, so there is a slider to make it a bit easier to move over carpets.Ē

So the US version Ďsuctioní is slightly higher! But does that warrant that type of Powerhead!? Would be interesting to see the slight differences in power/suction if thatís the case!

Post# 388010 , Reply# 117   3/14/2018 at 07:25 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That's an interesting point. I did wonder why we didn't have the slider head

If the V10 has 20% extra suction than the V8 it must have some serious power 😊

Saw a video on YouTube today. Sir James is claiming that the battery will last 15 years if used every day

Post# 388011 , Reply# 118   3/14/2018 at 07:30 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Jon, Dyson will have offers on the V10 at some point.

These cleaners are so convenient. I'm finding I'm vacuuming more regularly now. Just pick it up and go!

I dont think you will regret buying one 😁

If you wanted a V8 you can get the animal version for £250 on Dysons refurbished eBay site. 1 year guarantee and still in immaculate condition

Post# 388013 , Reply# 119   3/14/2018 at 08:10 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Perhaps the suction is exactly the same as the UK version.

On the other hand, the reason for the 'power nozzle with suction vent', could be because of the thicker, deeper pile of American carpets - where the head might stick or judder on plusher carpets.

I was reading about UK folks' experiences with the UK Dyson cylinder machines - and a lot of them disliked the 'stuck-to-the-carpet' feature - which is now common, due to our EU regulations. The US customers wouldn't tolerate such non-ease of use, hence the possible reason for the slider vent.

The "regulations" mentioned will probably be to do with the American Carpet and Rug Institute tests.

And it's not unknown for genuinely helpful call-centre staff, to inadvertently mangle the truth as they try to explain it.

Post# 388019 , Reply# 120   3/14/2018 at 08:49 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I've not had any stuck to the carpet issues 😊

Some people will find faults with everything 😁

Post# 388022 , Reply# 121   3/14/2018 at 08:55 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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The reviews I've seen are very positive. I'm so impressed with the V8 that I might well get the V10 shortly.

Post# 388023 , Reply# 122   3/14/2018 at 08:59 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Here is a review. Read what they say in the Verdict at the end.


Post# 388031 , Reply# 123   3/14/2018 at 10:47 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Dyson V10 technology blurb

I am wondering if Dyson's marketing department has goofed with "altitude sensors"?

Perhaps it should actually be "attitude sensors". As in yaw, pitch, roll - with data gathered by 3D-axis sensors. This way, the machine would know which way it was orientated, with more suction power automatically generated for floor cleaning in order to shift dirt up the extension tube.

Conversely, the sensor could detect the different angles employed by pointing the machine to curtains, pelmets and ceiling corners, and thus reign in the motor speed, as the dirt would be lighter and less kinetic energy would be required to get it into the bin.

Post# 388032 , Reply# 124   3/14/2018 at 10:53 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Why don't you apply for a job on the Dyson design team 😁

Post# 388033 , Reply# 125   3/14/2018 at 10:56 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Nah. They wouldn't like my criticisms.

Post# 388035 , Reply# 126   3/14/2018 at 11:01 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Providing it is constructive.

Post# 388036 , Reply# 127   3/14/2018 at 11:21 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

I was watching the Shark Duo Cordless last night, and I can't help feeling that Dyson has missed a trick or two in the design department.

The articulated elbow on the Shark appears to give added flexibility, and the Shark can be left standing - like a standard upright (albeit with the elbow folded).

I do have queries about the use of Lithium Ion batteries in the Shark, especially with that battery technology catching fire in other applications.

Post# 388037 , Reply# 128   3/14/2018 at 11:37 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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The Shark is top heavy. I don't like it. I'd much prefer the Dyson.

Post# 388062 , Reply# 129   3/14/2018 at 17:34 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Hopefully Mark they will at some point! Thatís great to hear, cleaning as you go meaning your keeping your home cleaner and on top of the dust and dirt! Thatís what the general public are finding having a cordless vacuum cleaner cleaning as you go more frequently as youíve have that Ďgrab and goí. You can see why they are popular and why Dyson has made that bold decision! So your loving your V8 you might get a V10 too!?

I probably wouldnít regret getting one, Iím sure Iíd use it daily! Plus clean areas more often I donít clean regularly. Iím intrigued by the V10 to say Iíve not owned a bagless or a Dyson vacuum in over 10 years.
They do look a very convenient vacuum and easy to use! Thanks for the tip on the refurb machines too.

That sounds interesting especially coming from James a Dyson, Iíve heard odd comments the battery will last 15 years! Interesting Sir James Dyson is commenting this on a video click. Can I ask Mark where the video was?

Post# 388085 , Reply# 130   3/15/2018 at 01:10 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Here it is Jon . It's only a short one. If that is really true then it makes them a lot better value.


Post# 388255 , Reply# 131   3/16/2018 at 18:24 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Thanks Mark. Very impressive if it true like you say and value for money too!

Post# 388293 , Reply# 132   3/17/2018 at 05:37 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Dysonman1-I just bought one of the Cordless Freedom machines with the detacheable battery-and you are right once you try this vacuum-its strangely addictive-you want to keep going with it-hence the idea of the detachable battery.Will order a spare battery soon.This is one of my "go to " vacuums.The ONLY cordless vacuum that REALLY works.Simplicity has a great machine here!!The vac shop where I got mine from ordered it with cleaning services in mind.

Post# 388297 , Reply# 133   3/17/2018 at 07:57 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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If you get a chance Rex try out the V10. I'd be interested to hear your opinion after actual use.

Post# 388304 , Reply# 134   3/17/2018 at 10:01 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
cordless freedom

The volt power nozzle is also based on this design, and it's an awesome power nozzle, I love mine.
I'm not sure if Dyson ever actually had a canister with an electric power nozzle, if they did, it wasn't talked about much, the current models use turbine brushes.

Post# 388306 , Reply# 135   3/17/2018 at 10:05 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I think there may have been a PN model many years ago but I could be wrong.

I would like to see them introduce one but I can't see it happening now they are investing all into cordless.

Post# 388321 , Reply# 136   3/17/2018 at 14:20 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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The first Dyson canister with a powerhead was the DC05 Motorhead.

Here is a video from QVC showing a later Dyson with powerhead.


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Post# 388322 , Reply# 137   3/17/2018 at 14:43 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I would like a Dyson cylinder with a PN I've never been much of a fan of turbo brushes. It's the noise they make, so irritating 🙉

I wonder why they haven't been popular in the UK? They give the same performance as an upright and they are a lot lighter and easier to.use with tools.

Post# 388340 , Reply# 138   3/17/2018 at 17:26 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hey Roger,

Thatís a beautiful Dyson pictured, I always loved their earlier use of that lighter Purple and LOVE my Dyson Ball Animal 2 in the darker Purple. Did they make any similar Dyson Canister (Cylinder) vacuums like the one you pictured or in the video? I would have bought one, but the only cylinder Dyson I bought was the DC26 because it was so cute and tiny.. I had to buy it. LOL

Hey Mark.. I totally agree with you on the noise thing. I mentioned in another post how I donít like the air driven brushrolls, either full sized for canister vacuums or mini air driven brushrolls as attachments for any vacuum. The shrill awful sound most make puts my teeth on edge and bothers my ears. THIS is one reason I wish the USA had the EU ratings labels that list, among other things, the decibel level of each vacuum. I donít like loud noisy vacuum cleaners.

Anyway, The Dyson Tangle Free Turbine tool and the Miele Air powered mini brushroll are the best for low noise and being very effective. The Sebo air powered attachment is pretty good too. But I have not heard a Quiet full sized air driven brushroll yet.

I was commenting on how much I wish ALL vacuums could include an electric powered mini brushroll like the ones on some Shark vacuums. They are quiet, full powered and the soleplate pivots to keep in contact with what your cleaning.

This brings me to yours and my favorite .. the Dyson V8. Donít you love how quiet it is Mark? I especially love how well it works as sometimes quiet means under powered or bad performance, but not with the Dyson.

Just my thoughts.. thanks guys.

Post# 388408 , Reply# 139   3/18/2018 at 04:56 by Sensotronic (United Kingdom)        

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Hi Patrick,

I only know of three powerhead Dysons, the DC05 Motorhead, DC21 Motorhead and the DC23 Motorhead, but there may have been others and different variants sold in other countries.

I have just bought a refurbished DC23 Motorhead and intend to replace as many of the parts as possible to get it looking like a brand new machine. Fortuantely most of the parts are still available, including complete motorheads, bins, hoses etc.

Post# 388410 , Reply# 140   3/18/2018 at 06:55 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That's very true. A mini power nozzle like on shark and the V8 are very useful tools and much quieter than a air turbo brush.

Roger I'd love to see a demo of your Motorhead when it's ready ☺️

Post# 388438 , Reply# 141   3/18/2018 at 15:08 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Turboheads are very noisy. I definitely prefer powerheads.
Here is my most powerful vacuum cleaner combined with the noisiest turbohead what I know.
Cover your ears please. You have been warned.
(Video should start at 19:36)


Post# 388461 , Reply# 142   3/18/2018 at 20:37 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        
don't believe everything you see on TV kids.

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More lies from Dyson.

Post# 388469 , Reply# 143   3/18/2018 at 22:16 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hey Alex,

I agree with you on ALL Television advertisements. Iím always very skeptical until I actually use the product.

That is why I base all my decisions and all my comments are made from first hand experience with my own use of the product in my own home. So if I comment on a vacuums performance, itís because I use or did use it before in my own home.

I have to admit though, once I owned my first Dyson vacuum (Iíve owned about 25 so far) I was impressed and not at all disappointed. That does NOT mean they are perfect nor do I feel they are the very best vacuum period. But I must say, some models I loved and some not so much. But this is my personal choice and opinions.

The consumer who wants to purchase anything.. must be diligent in their research and also not fall for all the hoopla, smoke and mirrors used in every single commercial. Heck, they wouldnít sell billions of dollars of things if they told the exact truth or didnít concentrate on the pros, while conveniently on purpose leaving out the cons. LOL

I know itís an odd, Non vacuum item.. but have any of you noticed EVERY mascara commercial has teeny tiny fine print on the commercial that states ďModelís lashes are enhanced with lash insertsĒ. SOOOOO basically her long lush pretty lashes are FAKE lashes and not the result of her using brand X mascara.

It is what is is, but thankfully most of the time you can buy a brand new vacuum and return it within 30 days decide if the advertising was all fluff or factual for yourself.. or hopefully you will simply like the vacuum and overlook itís slight flaws. I have dozens of vacuums I have ďissuesĒ with but over look those issues because I like the rest itís got to offer. Just my two cents.... what do they say ďConsumer BewareĒ and ďA sucker is born every minuteĒ....

Post# 388486 , Reply# 144   3/19/2018 at 05:14 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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According to the certain person on youtube bagged vacuums are old technology and we should move to the modern "better" technology bagless vacuums.
it has been "laboratory tested" by Dyson that they make the best vacuums on the market.
Also all other test done someone on youtube or on somewhere else is unrealistic.
Someone is really trying to push Dyson sales.

Talk about trying to manipulate people.


Post# 388490 , Reply# 145   3/19/2018 at 08:00 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Johnny L8 claims...... 😁

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Post# 388491 , Reply# 146   3/19/2018 at 08:14 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Well said!
But I still keep doing my "unrealistic" videos :D

Post# 388492 , Reply# 147   3/19/2018 at 08:20 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes keep doing your videos Mike we enjoy them a lot! :)

Post# 388536 , Reply# 148   3/19/2018 at 18:09 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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That link is either paid Dyson advertisement. Or somebody who hasn't spent much time studying vacuums just reading random stuff online made that piece of propaganda.

Post# 388569 , Reply# 149   3/20/2018 at 07:11 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Apparently he is a scientist.

I do agree with some things he says but I still think bagged cleaners will give the best results even if they cost more to run.

But the latest Dysons are a lot better than people think. The Shark powered lift away cleans quite well too.


Post# 388579 , Reply# 150   3/20/2018 at 09:04 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Yes he tries very hard to push the Dyson brand, but at the same time he has made many vacuum enthusiasts angry by using their material in his videos and commenting to several people what they did wrong.
That's why he is now blocked by many channels.
I don't care what he tries to prove.

Post# 388589 , Reply# 151   3/20/2018 at 12:26 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Regarding 'JohnnyL8'...

If he is a real scientist, then he should be damn well aware of critical appraisal, plagiarism and alternative viewpoints.

You'll probably find that in real life, he's nothing more than a jumped-up little shit.

Post# 388590 , Reply# 152   3/20/2018 at 12:32 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Post# 388596 , Reply# 153   3/20/2018 at 14:13 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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This is why I don't get Dyson any time soon.
Nothing wrong with the product, but oh man those people :D

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Post# 388597 , Reply# 154   3/20/2018 at 14:29 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Haha that is true but you can get a similar reaction on here if you say something derogatory about Kirby. 😁😌

Post# 388598 , Reply# 155   3/20/2018 at 14:35 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I've had my head bitten off on more than one occasion 😂

Post# 388599 , Reply# 156   3/20/2018 at 14:44 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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It's good to take most comments with humor. Vacuums can really heat up the feelings :D
I think that today when I go to bed I put some vacuum relaxation music on to background :D

Post# 388600 , Reply# 157   3/20/2018 at 14:49 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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😁 When you think about it getting heated about a vacuum cleaner is very silly 🙈

Post# 388601 , Reply# 158   3/20/2018 at 14:59 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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I totally agree on that!

Post# 388602 , Reply# 159   3/20/2018 at 15:18 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Back to the subject.

If someone is wondering how powerful V10 really is. It has 52 cfm from the vacuum base and 25 cfm from the nozzle.
Typical corded Dyson upright has around 50-55 nozzle cfm.

Results can be found from the link


Post# 388604 , Reply# 160   3/20/2018 at 16:16 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I thought it was 52 in max and 25 in standard? If that is correct 52cfm in max is very good for a cordless.

Post# 388606 , Reply# 161   3/20/2018 at 16:32 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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It's the most powerful cordless stick type vacuum, but there is a difference compared to the mains powered vacuums :)

V10 on max
from the vacuum 52 cfm
from the nozzle 25 cfm

from the hose 76 cfm
from the nozzle 54 cfm

Sebo Felix
from the hose 100 cfm
from the nozzle 74 cfm

Post# 388607 , Reply# 162   3/20/2018 at 16:41 by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
From Blue Ridge Cabin Cleaning YouTube Channel

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And his preliminary measurements using a 1" diameter anemometer:

Dyson V10 (From Cyclone Base)
9447 Ft/Min = 107.9 MPH => 51.5 CFM (High Power)
4544 Ft/Min = 51.9 MPH => 24.8 CFM (Low Power)

Shark Ion Power (From Cyclone Base)
7547 Ft/Min = 86.2 MPH => 41.2 CFM (High Power)
5350 Ft/Min = 61.1 MPH => 29.2 CFM (Low Power)

Dyson V10 (From Nozzle)
4562 Ft/Min = 52.1 MPH => 24.9 CFM (High Power)
1935 Ft/Min = 22.1 MPH => 10.6 CFM (Low Power)

Shark Ion Power (From Nozzle)
3152 Ft/Min = 36.0 MPH => 17.2 CFM (High Power)
2198 Ft/Min = 25.1 MPH => 12.0 CFM (Low Power)

So, The V10 has 25 nozzle CFM on HIGH and 11 nozzle CFM on LOW. Now before you start jumping all over his measurements (that I have converted), he did say they weren't going to be super accurate. But, even if he was off by 10%, 20% or even 30% (which is doubtful), just think about how much money you're paying for staggeringly low nozzle CFM.


Post# 388608 , Reply# 163   3/20/2018 at 16:53 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I'm not jumping over anyone haha

If that's wat it is that's what it is.

I still find it very good for quick pick ups I don't use it as my main vac.

I paid £250 for my V8

Post# 388609 , Reply# 164   3/20/2018 at 17:05 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I said if someone proves me wrong I will take my hat off to them.
So here it is 😁

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Post# 388614 , Reply# 165   3/20/2018 at 18:29 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Wow Mike! Thanks for the numbers.. I always assumed my Dyson DC65 and my newest Dyson Ball Animal 2 were more powerful (Suction wise) than my Felix.

I love my Sebo Felix even more now! I do have a soft spot for my German made vacuums and my Tacony USA made vacuums too of course. But I just love using my Sebo Felix for day to day cleaning.

Itís funny but does anyone else on here do what I do... clean out my bagless vacuum dirt bins (After the bulk is dumped in the trash) with my corded, bagged Sebo Felix attachments? The triangular soft brush does a great job! Iíve also been known to use my Swiffer Duster to get the dirt bins dust free and clean! Am I alone in this or will anyone else admit to keeping Bagless vacuums spotless clean after each use?? Oh my favorite trick, Roger (ibaisaic) taught me to use pop up cleaning wipes too.. they disinfect and leave a clean smell too.

I know... Iím crazy! 🤪😂

Post# 388624 , Reply# 166   3/21/2018 at 01:22 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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One thing that wasn't mentioned is the V10 has a medium speed which most people will use as standard.. This setting will have more power than the Shark in the low setting.

I am a bit surprised by these results as Dyson claimed 151 air watts in Max mode, the Light Ball has 90 air watts.

Post# 388625 , Reply# 167   3/21/2018 at 01:29 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Felix is very clever little vacuum. I love mine :D
It doesn't have same amount of suction what big Dysons have, but more importantly it has more airflow. Best cleaning clean air upright what I have.
Felix is not anything new. It's designed over 15 years ago. But why change a good design.
Highlight of the Felix is the ET-1 powerhead. Best powerhead what I have used and it also fits to my K-series canister :)

Post# 388626 , Reply# 168   3/21/2018 at 01:37 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Those air watts should be thrown away. It's pretty useless measure. Light Ball has most likely a lot more airflow so comparing just the air watts is a bit misleading.
For example my Miele C3 has around 380 airwatts and my Philips Performer Pro 500 AW. Still both have the same level of airflow (108 cfm). Philips just have a lot more suction. In this case 144 inches of waterlift and Miele 90 inches of waterlift.

Post# 388627 , Reply# 169   3/21/2018 at 01:45 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I thought the Felix had 93 cfm at the hose Mike?

If you look at the loss from end of the hose to at the cleaner head how come the Felix and the DC 65 have a much lower percentage loss than the V10?

The V10 according to these test is losing 50% from end of hose to cleaner head and the Felix is losing just over 20% and the DC65 even less % loss.

This doesn't seem correct to me.

Post# 388628 , Reply# 170   3/21/2018 at 02:13 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I agree Airwatts is very misleading.

I also agree the Sebo Felix is an excellent bagged cleaner. :)

Post# 388630 , Reply# 171   3/21/2018 at 06:11 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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US Sebo Felix has 100 cfm measured by the blackheart. I measured 93 cfm from the 700 watt EU model 😊

Post# 388631 , Reply# 172   3/21/2018 at 06:26 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Oh I see the US model has a has 1300 w so it would have slightly more CFM :)

That's very good airflow for a clean air vacuum. Well done Sebo! :)

Post# 388635 , Reply# 173   3/21/2018 at 08:46 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Remember it's only 120 volts here

Post# 388636 , Reply# 174   3/21/2018 at 08:57 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That is true but its the Voltage x Amps that gives the power in Watts

So for instance A 1000w in the UK using 240v would be just over 4 amps

In the USA a 1000w using 120v would be just over 8 amps but they are still both using the same power.

Post# 388637 , Reply# 175   3/21/2018 at 09:01 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Yes, it just limits our total power.

Post# 388638 , Reply# 176   3/21/2018 at 09:09 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes thats true.

Here in the UK the EU have limited our power to 900w and in some vacuums you can feel the drop in performance.

Although Numatic have somehow improved the performance of the Henry even though it went down from 1200w to 620w. I'm amazed at how they did that!

I think it's witchcraft :)

Post# 388639 , Reply# 177   3/21/2018 at 09:15 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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So that would put your max power to around ours

Post# 388640 , Reply# 178   3/21/2018 at 09:31 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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What is the max amps in the US? Is it 20 amps? That would make it about 2400w if my maths is correct :)

Post# 388641 , Reply# 179   3/21/2018 at 09:36 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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No, household circuits are 15

Post# 388642 , Reply# 180   3/21/2018 at 09:42 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Oh right so that's about 1800w.

I wish they kept the restriction to 1600w here but they had to go one stage further to 900w 🙄

Post# 388643 , Reply# 181   3/21/2018 at 09:43 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
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Mikko, you said your Philips Performer Pro has 144" Waterlift & 108 CFM? Yikes, that is a monster of a vacuum! No wonder why the EU guidelines were put into effect over in Europe.

To put that in perspective, your Philips is basically 50% more powerful than a central vac when measured at the hose! Most central vacs, when you put a waterlift gauge on them at the HOSE, not the canister itself, are lucky to have about 100" waterlift....they need all that power they have because the piping & long hose robs it of so much power.


Post# 388644 , Reply# 182   3/21/2018 at 09:47 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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What if you have very little piping? I have my central vac in a cupboard in my house and only 3 ft of piping to the valve and a 30 ft hose so it feels very powerful to me. It has 866 airwatts. I know airwatts are misleading.

I know some members just have the power unit in their room and plug the hose directly into it.

Post# 388645 , Reply# 183   3/21/2018 at 09:56 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I need to get metres to measure the water lift and cfm at the end of my central vac hose 😁

I would be very surprised it was less than 100 cfm.

Post# 388646 , Reply# 184   3/21/2018 at 10:00 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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208 cfm at the power unit. If anyone can tell me what that wud be at the end of a 30ft hose I would be very grateful 😙

Post# 388647 , Reply# 185   3/21/2018 at 10:37 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I think that could vary a lot, depending on the smoothness of the inside and how straight it's laying out

Post# 388649 , Reply# 186   3/21/2018 at 10:42 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes kinks in the hose would affect it.

I will have to get a Baird meter and measure it 😊 It does feel to me to have more power than my 2200w Miele C3 and that has some power! But you do need meters to measure accurately.

Post# 388650 , Reply# 187   3/21/2018 at 11:07 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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This video shows how accurate the baird airflow meter is and also Philips claims about the suction/airflow
I measured 9/10 baird from the Philips what means 108 cfm
Maybe these over 2000 watt vacuums went a bit too far...

Airflow (at 14:00)


Post# 388675 , Reply# 188   3/21/2018 at 14:21 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
numatic vacuums and voltages

Even in the United States, where we don't have the wattage restriction on vacuums, Numatic has started using the 620 watt motor here, it's awesome, very quiet and performs as well if not better than the 1200 watt machines. Most household circuits are 15 amps but you rarely see any appliance drawing more than 12 amps, there are 120 volt circuits available that allow for more current but they must be installed separately.
I wish we did use 240 volts here, it's actually more efficient because it draws less current. Some appliances here do use the higher voltage, in particular electric stoves and electric clothes dryers. I have heard that if you have a 240 volt outlet for one of those appliances, it is possible to adapt it to work with European appliances, I'm not sure if you just need an adapter to convert the plug or if something else would be needed, in Europe it's straight 240 volt circuits, here in the United States, I think a 240 volt outlet is installed by combining two 120 volt circuits together so I'm not sure if the phase is different. Also I'm not sure if the 240 volt outlets for stoves and dryers are different from those used by some of the larger window air conditioners.

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