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Thread Number: 36122
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
No more corded vacuums to be developed by Dyson |
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| Post# 387331 , Reply# 1 3/6/2018 at 11:10 (2,233 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Another link about the V10. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Sensotronic's LINK | ||
| Post# 387332 , Reply# 2 3/6/2018 at 11:17 (2,233 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
I had a feeling this was going to happen 😉
Could this be the beginning of the end of corded vacuums! I do like the look of the V10 but I don't like the price 🙈 I would like one though! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 387333 , Reply# 3 3/6/2018 at 11:43 (2,233 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 387334 , Reply# 4 3/6/2018 at 11:55 (2,233 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387336 , Reply# 5 3/6/2018 at 12:13 (2,233 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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Interesting. The wave of the future perhaps? Of course, not all manufacturers are going to jump ship and follow suit and I certainly don't see any of the commercial machines going to cordless models (not anytime soon at least). | ||
Post# 387338 , Reply# 7 3/6/2018 at 12:19 (2,233 days old) by tazcatsdad  (Buffalo, NY) |
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You can bet your booty that I won't be buying one! Cordless cleaners are fine for quick pick-ups, but that's about all they're good for (IMHO, anyway). If one wants true cleaning power, there's no substitute for a corded vacuum!
I've even tried using cordless power nozzles like the Miele Accu-Nova, which is essentially a battery-powered SEB 217: believe me, it's not that great. No matter how long I charge the battery for, I can only get a few minutes' run time out of it before I have to either recharge the battery or put in the replacement.
So long story short: thanks but no thanks, Sir James! I'll be sticking to my old corded relics!
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| Post# 387339 , Reply# 8 3/6/2018 at 12:27 (2,233 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387346 , Reply# 11 3/6/2018 at 15:00 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387347 , Reply# 12 3/6/2018 at 15:03 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
I’m not surprised by this news from Dyson as James Dyson himself has hinted in interviews in the past that he eventually will go fully cordless with his vacuum cleaners in the future!
Here in the UK people seem to live busier lifestyles (probably in other Countries too) most people don’t do or have time to do weekly deep cleans anymore! They want easy to use and quick to use products around the house and cordless vacuum cleaners give them that grab and go to clean messes up as they go or to clean around quickly. Some may probably have a corded vacuum cleaner for weekly cleans still! You only have to look at how popular Gtech are in the UK with their cordless range too especially with the older generation but also the young too! @HonestJoe68 looking at some of the reviews already there is a filter indicator that tells you if the filter requires washing or is not fitted as the machine monitors air pressure and altitude pressure apparently! I still love using my corded vacuums..... Vorwerk and SEBO! I wouldn’t be surprised if Vorwerk in the future go cordless! | ||
| Post# 387348 , Reply# 13 3/6/2018 at 15:06 (2,232 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
V10 sure looks cool and it promises a lot, but I am not convinced until they can actually perform like the corded ones.
Lets take for example the airflow performance. V8 has 30 cfm and average corded vacuum has 70 cfm. Best bagged vacuums has over 100 cfm. Yes I know that the airflow isn't everything, but in my own experience it's very important to get true cleaning performance with the agitation and suction. So there is still long way to develop the cordless vacuums to match the mains powered vacuums. | ||
| Post# 387349 , Reply# 14 3/6/2018 at 15:07 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 387350 , Reply# 15 3/6/2018 at 15:08 (2,232 days old) by drsnuggle (Sweden Stockholm) | ||
Sad news indeed I do not have any cordless vacuum in my collection. I find them rather uninteresting. Ibaisiac you must have a lot of batteri chargers on your walls, I suppose CLICK HERE TO GO TO drsnuggle's LINK | ||
| Post# 387351 , Reply# 16 3/6/2018 at 15:26 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I hear the Lupe One is coming out later this year!
They have put a bit more information on the website since I last looked with a full picture of the machine. Check out the website here... www.lupetechnology.com... Be interesting to see how this does, plus I’m interested to see how Oreck Cordless POD does to! Not sure we will get that in the UK! | ||
| Post# 387353 , Reply# 18 3/6/2018 at 15:40 (2,232 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Reading the article again, it says that Dyson will stop developing corded vacuums in the next 25 years, so they will still be producing corded machines. Who knows where vacuum cleaners will be in 25 years, but I suspect cordless and robotic machines will be the main sellers. | ||
| Post# 387354 , Reply# 19 3/6/2018 at 15:59 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 387355 , Reply# 20 3/6/2018 at 16:09 (2,232 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Oh yes, I read it wrong. Oh well I am nearly 50 and my brain cells have been killed off by all the dust I've inhaled. Well then, it looks like I will have to start panic buying corded Dyson's then. | ||
| Post# 387357 , Reply# 21 3/6/2018 at 16:14 (2,232 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Hopefully Dyson will start to produce a more traditional looking corded upright and cylinder model and not just focus on the hand held stick variety. | ||
| Post# 387362 , Reply# 22 3/6/2018 at 16:24 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Well it had me reading the article several times after and got me thinking! Don’t worry easily done I’m always doing it, I don’t think the article is worded correctly to be honest. In fact other articles on the subject are worded the same. Lol what you like, well you have done lots of demos with lots of dust but I’m sure it’s not effected your brain ;-)
You will do, be interesting as to when they will phase out their current corded machines! You’d hope they would! | ||
| Post# 387363 , Reply# 23 3/6/2018 at 16:26 (2,232 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 387379 , Reply# 25 3/6/2018 at 21:19 (2,232 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
Just another case of a company telling you how to live your life, what you can and cannot have. You are no longer free to think for yourself, your thoughts and life is now owned by Sir Dyson.
Sorry I'll keep using my Dyson DC07 that I got off the side of the road for free. I just find it ironic that all these "save the environment" people that push companies to do this keep promoting battery power, which when used in vacuums cleans worse, is weaker, and pollutes the air twice as much by the Chinese battery factories more than a traditional power plant ever would. If you want to know how fun it is repairing cordless vacuums, try buying a battery pack for one of these little guys.
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| Post# 387380 , Reply# 26 3/6/2018 at 21:34 (2,232 days old) by broomvac (N/A) | ||
With this news, I just treated myself to a vacuum I have been on the fence about buying for years: a Dyson Cinetic Allergy (the chrome-topped one). The price has always held me back, but with the factory refurbished ones going for more than 72% off from the official Dyson Outlet on Ebay and the onset of this news, I took the plunge. It's on its way as we speak.
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| Post# 387386 , Reply# 28 3/6/2018 at 23:35 (2,232 days old) by broomvac (N/A) | ||
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Hey HonestJoe68
Thank you! I'll admit, Roger somewhat inspired me to make this purchase, too. I enjoy following his channel and have seen the videos you speak of.
The Cinetic I purchased is the same "edition" as the one he has. I was impressed (but not at all surprised) by the performance of his Cinetic upright, and seeing that video put the idea of getting one back into my head. Then I saw his clip about factory refurbished Dysons and was convinced that if I was going to get a Cinetic, getting a refurbished one would be the way to go. Incidentally, I also have a refurbished Fantom Thunder which I stumbled upon in a thrift shop. Years ago, it was rebuilt in Buffalo, NY, the same city my Dyson is coming from! Maybe these cleaners have been redone by the same people? Wouldn't that be cool? Two "Dysons," made years apart, both brought back to life by the same people! I really like your Cinetic. Is that a Multi Floor? That is going to be a very rare cleaner someday, if not already. The Multi Floor is not a mainstream 'flavor' of the Cinetic as it is, so the matte silver one is certainly an oddball. Did you get that on Amazon? I think that is the only place I have seen them available. Thanks for sharing! | ||
| Post# 387390 , Reply# 30 3/7/2018 at 01:27 (2,232 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
The new V10 looks very nice, and I've been a Dyson cordless fanatic since the DC16, which I bought 10 years ago. So far I've owned the DC16, the DC35 (their first stick vacuum, which I saw as revolutionary), the DC59 Animal, the V6 Absolute, and my current V8 Absolute. As I've upgraded, I've sold my previous-gen models to friends, who have all been happy with them.
Going all-cordless, although very bold, has me worried. My main concern is planned obsolescence. For instance, although my friends were happy with the DC16, it eventually simply disappeared from their house, once the battery no-longer held a charge. I'm sure my old DC35 is overdue for a new battery as well. Once the batteries wear out, like with phones and laptops, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer (or third party) to hopefully continue to produce the parts to keep it going. My other concern is that some of Dyson's current uprights are awesome, and clean much better on carpeting than any of their cordless vacuums. Although my V8 is a fantastic and versatile machine, it doesn't deep-clean carpeting nearly as well as most of Dyson's current uprights, or most good corded vacuums in general. I can already tell their bold cleaning claims will get a smackdown in comparison tests, against most "conventional" vacuums. I like cordless, but I like the reliability and longevity of a corded machine as well. It'll be a huge bummer if Dyson phases out corded machines completely. | ||
| Post# 387391 , Reply# 31 3/7/2018 at 02:53 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387392 , Reply# 32 3/7/2018 at 03:10 (2,232 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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I have the simplicity Freedom cordless and the same thing under Aerus-Lux.These are the ONLY cordless machines I like.I have the Greenworks 60V mower and the Kobalt 80V one.Both work well.I would think if it could be done with mowers-why not vacuums?And also have the Kobalt 80V leafblower and weedeater trimmer. | ||
| Post# 387394 , Reply# 33 3/7/2018 at 04:42 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387397 , Reply# 34 3/7/2018 at 06:03 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Dyson need to be careful when answering rubtimes to people asking as one reply to someone on their Facebook Page was this.......
“Keeping in in mind that the MAX suction setting is designed for use with tough cleaning jobs, Dyson V10 will provide up to 6 minutes when used in the MAX suction setting. Please also note, however, that this mode would essentially not be needed very often, thanks to the suction slider at the cleaner head. This allows you to adjust the suction power at the cleaner head for various cleaning around your home. Dyson V10 will provide up to 20 minutes in suction setting 2 and up to 30 minutes in suction setting 1, when used with a motorized floor tool. Otherwise, you can expect up to 60 minutes of run time when used with any other non-motorized attachments.” | ||
| Post# 387398 , Reply# 35 3/7/2018 at 06:43 (2,232 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Maybe I’m off target here, but has Dyson figured out a way to process their old batteries without harming the environment? The whole trend toward cordless appliances is producing tons of toxic batteries that eventually must be properly recycled. This can’t be good for the waste management departments of our cities. I would love to see how Dyson proposes to deal with all those batteries that eventually must be thrown away.
It reminds me of the dreamy promises made by the computer industry about futuristic “paperless offices”. With cheap ink tank printers available to buy, I think we are definitely dumping more paper into the waste bin then ever before. And what are all those ink tanks and laser printer cartridges doing to our land fill dumpsites? Even the warehouses of computer equipment needed for our use of the internet and digital communucations needs lots of electricity to keep them cooled and air conditioned. Maybe this need to cool all those servers and computer rooms is a major contributor to “global warming”? If the young generation is so concerned about environmental issues, they may need to reduce their hunger for appliances and machines that help them speed things up as they try to get things done faster in the rat races of the world. Life in the “fast lane” does have its downsides. It would be great if James Dyson could show me how he proposes to process all those complicated batteries from his cordless machines when they need to be thrown away. | ||
| Post# 387399 , Reply# 36 3/7/2018 at 06:50 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387400 , Reply# 37 3/7/2018 at 06:56 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387401 , Reply# 38 3/7/2018 at 06:57 (2,232 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Indeed, but those paper and cloth bags are filled mostly with dust and are probably not as toxic as the batteries going into the landfills. They also probably get compressed into a half of their size in the landfills. The dirt dumped from a bagless vacuum still has to go into a garbage bag which is usually plastic. So you still have a bag of dirt going into a landfill...plus all those extra foam filters needed in bagless vacuums.
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| Post# 387402 , Reply# 39 3/7/2018 at 07:08 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387404 , Reply# 40 3/7/2018 at 07:29 (2,232 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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It would be interesting to do a study of the environmental impact of a top performing corded, bagged stick vac, versus a cordless, bagless stick vac. For example what’s the environmental impact of one year of use and final disposal of a Dyson V8 versus a Miele bagged stick vac (fitted with the basic power nozzle). Both are highly rated machines with good filtration.
I know batteries are recyclable, but this recycling of batteries is often not done by the consumer, and when it is done, it requires yet another government expenditure of energy and resources. Does Dyson offer an easy way of accepting used batteries from their consumers, like printer companies do for their toner cartridges? Also, I wonder what the extra use of electricity costs society by having these cordless vacs always plugged in and charging? | ||
| Post# 387405 , Reply# 41 3/7/2018 at 07:42 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387412 , Reply# 42 3/7/2018 at 08:53 (2,232 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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The filter on the V10 is a pre and post filter in one from what I’ve read and video of Jake Dyson launching it in one Country! Not sure what type of filter it is, the UK website says whole filteration system (sealed system). But why have a post motor filter if the motor is brushless and the cyclones and pre filter do all the filtering?
I’ve always wondered what electricity these cordless machines use, they do say once the battery is fully charged it doesn’t consume anymore electricity even if left on charge!!! I was wondering about what happens with the battery once it’s end of life? What about the full environmental impact on manufacturing the batteries, the motor and machine so the whole lifecycle of the product! People are becoming more interested as well in how companies manufacture their products too! What impact does that have on the environment too. | ||
| Post# 387414 , Reply# 43 3/7/2018 at 09:11 (2,232 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
I use my V8? everyday, I just think of the power I save with this OCD clean all the time fool living alone, keeping busy. The charger is a smart charger I remember reading.I am done in minutes, with the corded well a lot longer running many amps. Weekly deep clean still happens.Kirby, Lux or Royal. I am sure it saves me lots of power though.
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| Post# 387426 , Reply# 45 3/7/2018 at 10:54 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Mad Sebo you are correct there is a pre motor filter that surrounds the motor and its also attached to the Hepa filter.
Black AEG with Dyson now putting all their money into bagless it won't be too long till their cordless vac clean as well as a corded vac and the battery will last a lot longer CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 387435 , Reply# 46 3/7/2018 at 13:45 (2,232 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387436 , Reply# 47 3/7/2018 at 13:46 (2,232 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387450 , Reply# 48 3/7/2018 at 17:33 (2,231 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I think makers of traditional corded bagged vacuums - Tacony, Kirby, Aerus, Electrolux, Miele and Sebo - should do some research into how their kind of classic vacuums are actually better for the environment than all these newfangled bagless cordless vacs. Sweden’s Electrolux has even promoted their “green” vacuums which are made of recycled plastic. They could market their products as more environmentally-friendly! No batteries to recycle, no chargers constantly plugged in, no filter washing needed, less noise pollution and better filtered air quality in the house too. Would be interesting to see the results of a scientific comparison! 🙂
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| Post# 387496 , Reply# 50 3/8/2018 at 06:40 (2,231 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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The only new cordless vacuum product I’d be interested in would be an effective cordless powered carpet nozzle that can attach to any corded canister vac. If the battery technology has advanced to the point where I could get 2 hours of run time on a cordfree power nozzle for a canister vac, that would be a great achievement. Same thing with a mini power nozzle for furniture and mattresses. Miele’s AccuNova nozzle had the best of intentions, but they should have worked on improving it and solving the run-time problems it had.
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| Post# 387522 , Reply# 51 3/8/2018 at 14:39 (2,230 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Brian, you say you want a cordless power nozzle? Um, hello, have you not seen the Volt powerhead that Tacony has come out with? You got your wish :P
As for the environmental effects of bagged cleaners, I think the one thing everyone forgets here is most new bagged cleaners use HEPA Cloth bags. And those bags are made of polypropylene, which is PLASTIC, no matter how you say it! I personally think cordless cleaners would cause more environmental harm due to the batteries, but either way both types of cleaners will have some negative impact on the environment. Now, what do I think of Dyson eliminating corded vacuums? I am not liking it at all! If they REALLY thought cordless stick vacuums is the future, they should have waited a bit longer to improve the battery technology even more. I really don't like Dyson's powerhead. I much prefer the powerhead Shark uses on their stick vacuums, just like a regular canister vacuum powerhead but made smaller for a stick vacuum, much better at deep cleaning than Dyson's powerhead. And the one thing missing in their thinking that they will NEVER be able to accomplish with their cordless stick vacuums is bin capacity. There's no way to put a huge bin like their uprights have on a cordless stick vacuum. And that's a problem, because families need that capacity to clean large, messy homes, which is why many people consider cordless stick vacuums as supplementary cleaners, NOT a replacement for a full size canister or upright vacuum. If Dyson had developed a cordless upright or canister, like LG, Riccar/Simplicity or Hoover has, that would have been better. Plus, I think whether Dyson wants to admit it or not, I think their abandoning corded vacuums is their way of acknowledging there is no way of developing corded vacuum technology further, & their designs are maxed out & cannot be improved further. The ONLY good thing that could come from this is their competitors will steal & copy their Root Cyclone technology & improve their own vacuums. Rob | ||
| Post# 387525 , Reply# 52 3/8/2018 at 15:19 (2,230 days old) by mariotron (Texas ) | ||
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| Post# 387534 , Reply# 53 3/8/2018 at 18:58 (2,230 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I think the Volt has too big a wand. I would want one without a wand that could attach to my Miele telescopic wand with the simple click of the Miele latch. I also would want a removeable battery that recharges on its own charger (like the Hoover Lynx) so I can store the nozzle in a closet that has no electric plug.
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| Post# 387578 , Reply# 57 3/9/2018 at 11:41 (2,230 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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We will have to wait and see. Dyson have increased the performance by 40% since the V6 and with all their investment now going into cordless changing times are coming.
Did you know that the latest motor spins at 125,000 rpm? That's quite a feat in engineering 😀👍 But the dinosaurs on here will never give Dyson credit no matter what they do 😁 | ||
| Post# 387581 , Reply# 58 3/9/2018 at 12:19 (2,230 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387584 , Reply# 59 3/9/2018 at 14:02 (2,230 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387661 , Reply# 61 3/10/2018 at 04:48 (2,229 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387665 , Reply# 62 3/10/2018 at 05:05 (2,229 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387688 , Reply# 64 3/10/2018 at 10:47 (2,229 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387698 , Reply# 66 3/10/2018 at 12:59 (2,229 days old) by broomvac (N/A) | ||
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| Post# 387711 , Reply# 67 3/10/2018 at 14:17 (2,229 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Intrigued by the battery onboard I decided to email Dyson UK to ask a few questions about the battery.
You can remove the battery by removing the 2 screws I was told. They will be selling the batteries in the near future but not available at present as the machine has just launched! So you could buy additional if needed or to replace the original one! I was told the battery is recyclable too! | ||
| Post# 387712 , Reply# 68 3/10/2018 at 14:22 (2,229 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387716 , Reply# 69 3/10/2018 at 14:53 (2,228 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 387718 , Reply# 70 3/10/2018 at 15:05 (2,228 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Dyson won't supply the batteries directly as they claim they have to be fitted by an engineer, but they may be available from other sources.
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| Post# 387720 , Reply# 72 3/10/2018 at 16:09 (2,228 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 387820 , Reply# 74 3/12/2018 at 09:41 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Steve Madabouthoovers did a video on YouTube today using his V8. In 7 minutes he did 2 rooms downstairs his stairs and an upstairs bedroom 😉
So 25 mins should be more than sufficient for most people CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 387822 , Reply# 75 3/12/2018 at 09:49 (2,227 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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Looks like a fairly light cleaning of floor surfaces only (and stairs). He didn't do the baseboards, ceiling corners, furniture, etc. in those 7 minutes :) Maybe the remaining battery time would allow for that. | ||
| Post# 387823 , Reply# 76 3/12/2018 at 09:55 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387827 , Reply# 78 3/12/2018 at 10:10 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387836 , Reply# 81 3/12/2018 at 11:27 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387838 , Reply# 82 3/12/2018 at 11:30 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387839 , Reply# 83 3/12/2018 at 11:34 (2,227 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 387840 , Reply# 84 3/12/2018 at 11:35 (2,227 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Please do report back on your opinions of the V8, when you get it. I'd be interested to know how it compares to other machines. | ||
| Post# 387846 , Reply# 85 3/12/2018 at 11:44 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387850 , Reply# 86 3/12/2018 at 12:04 (2,227 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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I have physical limitations that have hit me with age and being the clean freak OCD that I am, have always cleaned daily. Before the handheld Dysons, that was a bit hard for me the last few years. Not live changing, but sure made it calmer/ easier.I find them and my old stand by dc 18, damn how many years old now?? very handy.
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| Post# 387851 , Reply# 87 3/12/2018 at 12:08 (2,227 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Dyson's pricing... Seems more than a bit out, as the V8 models are largely dearer (£369, £520, £550) than the newest V10 models. | ||
| Post# 387852 , Reply# 88 3/12/2018 at 12:35 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387853 , Reply# 89 3/12/2018 at 12:37 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387857 , Reply# 90 3/12/2018 at 14:30 (2,227 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I once heard a Hoover rep say that
"Cordless, etc is the way to go". I have a few models. However, I'm still a cord AND bag guy, myself. I've never had a problem with either. None of my cleaners 'belches dust', for lack of a better imagination. Some will bash, 'poo poo' them. ANd, how many people NEVER change a filter in a bagless machine? "There's a filter"? I've heard, lolol.
WE know that Hoover has stopped Elites, for instance. The new thing is out now, almost too early to tell..... I do have a few extra batteries and chargers for my machines, though. But, give me a nice bagged, corded cleaner and I'm good to go. | ||
| Post# 387860 , Reply# 92 3/12/2018 at 15:34 (2,227 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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They are definitely over priced for what they are. Their sales for last year were 2.5 billion.
They do reinvest alot into R&D and their customer service is the best I've seen but still very overpriced. I thought Shark might have forced Dyson to lower their prices but Sharks prices are now increasing too! | ||
| Post# 387862 , Reply# 94 3/12/2018 at 15:46 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387863 , Reply# 95 3/12/2018 at 15:50 (2,226 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Re: Shark I noticed that the Shark 'infommercials' are plastered all over ITV late at night. I still think their designs are ugly and bulky though. | ||
| Post# 387864 , Reply# 96 3/12/2018 at 16:00 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387866 , Reply# 97 3/12/2018 at 16:23 (2,226 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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I can't be doing with the constant barrage of ear-bashing from the voiceover artist. Obviously went to the same voice school as that 'Cillit Bang' bloke. | ||
| Post# 387868 , Reply# 98 3/12/2018 at 16:50 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387885 , Reply# 99 3/12/2018 at 20:55 (2,226 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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Dyson overpriced They are overpriced here in the United States as well. For their humidifier, which according to the specs only humidifies around 200 square feet, they are charging $400. That is nuts. You can get humidifiers that will humidify 1000 square feet for half that price. Mike | ||
| Post# 387932 , Reply# 101 3/13/2018 at 09:58 (2,226 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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What are the model numbers... ... for the latest cordless machines? Do they still use the 'DC**' nomenclature, or have they switched to something else? | ||
| Post# 387938 , Reply# 102 3/13/2018 at 10:56 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387940 , Reply# 103 3/13/2018 at 11:05 (2,226 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Not necessarily so. I too thought 'DC' stood for 'dual cyclone'. But when they move to the Root 8 technology, I assumed that it really meant 'Dyson Cleaner'. Anyway here is the Cinetic Big Ball as DC75, from John Lewis...
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| Post# 387942 , Reply# 104 3/13/2018 at 11:45 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387943 , Reply# 105 3/13/2018 at 12:09 (2,226 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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So many balls..... :) | ||
| Post# 387944 , Reply# 106 3/13/2018 at 12:21 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387945 , Reply# 107 3/13/2018 at 12:29 (2,226 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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Nice! You should drink a V8 while you use your V8! | ||
| Post# 387949 , Reply# 109 3/13/2018 at 13:07 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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It comes with a motorised mini brush.
In Max it has more than enough suction/airflow. My carpets look very clean. It's so lightweight and easy to manouvre plus it's quiet too. I can see why people like them. Very convenient. I like the self cleaning shrowd. That's a big improvement over the V6. I would definitely recommend them providing you can get a good deal! | ||
| Post# 387950 , Reply# 110 3/13/2018 at 13:13 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387955 , Reply# 111 3/13/2018 at 13:58 (2,226 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
I have some experience with full size cordless cleaners. Tacony has made the cordless Freedom/SupraLite models now for more than two years. They have made two engineering changes - a removable battery pack as well as increased motor speed. The battery (at full charge) lasts almost an hour, and the cleaning ability is excellent. The huge bag holds a TON of dirt - months worth in most homes.
However, they have only a perfunctory appeal to the average person. It's the older customer who really is intrigued enough to make the purchase. MANY say they don't want a cord to trip and fall over. Younger consumers never really think about falling over a vacuum cord. The one thing I hear over and over again from people who actually Bought a cordless Riccar or Simplicity is: they clean more of the house than they ever intended (that's a good thing). At the closet to get the vac to clean up a small area, the customer turns ON the vacuum and runs it from the closet to the area they wanted to clean. Along the way, they poke into the bedrooms (since the machine is running), and they use it far longer than the 'moment' they intended to. Funny that Dyson doesn't intend to put any more money in research for his corded line of sweepers, but still hasn't got a canister with an electric power nozzle. A stick vac will never replace a full size vacuum in most American homes, but will be a good 'quick pick up' machine. Now if I lived in a very small apartment in Europe, that would be a different matter. | ||
| Post# 387965 , Reply# 112 3/13/2018 at 14:46 (2,226 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Good points.
Maybe Dyson decided they have taken their corded cleaners as far as they can and decided that people want the convenience of a cordless. They are still going to manufacture their corded cleaners but there won't be anymore improvements. Have they made the right decision? Only time will tell. But I think people will be very impressed with the V10. I'm talking about the general public here of course😁 | ||
| Post# 387975 , Reply# 114 3/13/2018 at 16:37 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388003 , Reply# 116 3/14/2018 at 02:01 (2,225 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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@VacFan1982 so your loving your V8 then? I tried one when they came out was impressed with its power and how quiet it was!
I’m tempted to get some sort of cordless vacuum cleaner to use daily for quick clean ups! I queried with Dyson UK as to why the differences in powerheads in the US to the UK and this was there reply: “The only reason that there is a slider on the US version is the suction is slightly higher due to different regulations, so there is a slider to make it a bit easier to move over carpets.” So the US version ‘suction’ is slightly higher! But does that warrant that type of Powerhead!? Would be interesting to see the slight differences in power/suction if that’s the case! | ||
| Post# 388010 , Reply# 117 3/14/2018 at 07:25 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388011 , Reply# 118 3/14/2018 at 07:30 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Jon, Dyson will have offers on the V10 at some point.
These cleaners are so convenient. I'm finding I'm vacuuming more regularly now. Just pick it up and go! I dont think you will regret buying one 😁 If you wanted a V8 you can get the animal version for £250 on Dysons refurbished eBay site. 1 year guarantee and still in immaculate condition | ||
| Post# 388019 , Reply# 120 3/14/2018 at 08:49 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388022 , Reply# 121 3/14/2018 at 08:55 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388023 , Reply# 122 3/14/2018 at 08:59 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Here is a review. Read what they say in the Verdict at the end.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 388032 , Reply# 124 3/14/2018 at 10:53 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388033 , Reply# 125 3/14/2018 at 10:56 (2,225 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Nah. They wouldn't like my criticisms. | ||
| Post# 388035 , Reply# 126 3/14/2018 at 11:01 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388037 , Reply# 128 3/14/2018 at 11:37 (2,225 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388062 , Reply# 129 3/14/2018 at 17:34 (2,224 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Hopefully Mark they will at some point! That’s great to hear, cleaning as you go meaning your keeping your home cleaner and on top of the dust and dirt! That’s what the general public are finding having a cordless vacuum cleaner cleaning as you go more frequently as you’ve have that ‘grab and go’. You can see why they are popular and why Dyson has made that bold decision! So your loving your V8 you might get a V10 too!?
I probably wouldn’t regret getting one, I’m sure I’d use it daily! Plus clean areas more often I don’t clean regularly. I’m intrigued by the V10 to say I’ve not owned a bagless or a Dyson vacuum in over 10 years. They do look a very convenient vacuum and easy to use! Thanks for the tip on the refurb machines too. That sounds interesting especially coming from James a Dyson, I’ve heard odd comments the battery will last 15 years! Interesting Sir James Dyson is commenting this on a video click. Can I ask Mark where the video was? | ||
| Post# 388085 , Reply# 130 3/15/2018 at 01:10 (2,224 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Here it is Jon . It's only a short one. If that is really true then it makes them a lot better value.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 388255 , Reply# 131 3/16/2018 at 18:24 (2,222 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 388297 , Reply# 133 3/17/2018 at 07:57 (2,222 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 388304 , Reply# 134 3/17/2018 at 10:01 (2,222 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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cordless freedom The volt power nozzle is also based on this design, and it's an awesome power nozzle, I love mine. I'm not sure if Dyson ever actually had a canister with an electric power nozzle, if they did, it wasn't talked about much, the current models use turbine brushes. Mike | ||
| Post# 388306 , Reply# 135 3/17/2018 at 10:05 (2,222 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388321 , Reply# 136 3/17/2018 at 14:20 (2,222 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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The first Dyson canister with a powerhead was the DC05 Motorhead. Here is a video from QVC showing a later Dyson with powerhead. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Sensotronic's LINK
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| Post# 388322 , Reply# 137 3/17/2018 at 14:43 (2,222 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388410 , Reply# 140 3/18/2018 at 06:55 (2,221 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388438 , Reply# 141 3/18/2018 at 15:08 (2,221 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Turboheads are very noisy. I definitely prefer powerheads.
Here is my most powerful vacuum cleaner combined with the noisiest turbohead what I know. Cover your ears please. You have been warned. (Video should start at 19:36) CLICK HERE TO GO TO Mike811's LINK | ||
| Post# 388461 , Reply# 142 3/18/2018 at 20:37 (2,220 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
don't believe everything you see on TV kids. | ||
| Post# 388486 , Reply# 144 3/19/2018 at 05:14 (2,220 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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According to the certain person on youtube bagged vacuums are old technology and we should move to the modern "better" technology bagless vacuums.
it has been "laboratory tested" by Dyson that they make the best vacuums on the market. Also all other test done someone on youtube or on somewhere else is unrealistic. Someone is really trying to push Dyson sales. Talk about trying to manipulate people. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Mike811's LINK | ||
| Post# 388490 , Reply# 145 3/19/2018 at 08:00 (2,220 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Johnny L8 claims...... 😁
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| Post# 388491 , Reply# 146 3/19/2018 at 08:14 (2,220 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388492 , Reply# 147 3/19/2018 at 08:20 (2,220 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388536 , Reply# 148 3/19/2018 at 18:09 (2,219 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 388569 , Reply# 149 3/20/2018 at 07:11 (2,219 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Apparently he is a scientist.
I do agree with some things he says but I still think bagged cleaners will give the best results even if they cost more to run. But the latest Dysons are a lot better than people think. The Shark powered lift away cleans quite well too. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacfan1982's LINK | ||
| Post# 388579 , Reply# 150 3/20/2018 at 09:04 (2,219 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388589 , Reply# 151 3/20/2018 at 12:26 (2,219 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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Regarding 'JohnnyL8'... If he is a real scientist, then he should be damn well aware of critical appraisal, plagiarism and alternative viewpoints. You'll probably find that in real life, he's nothing more than a jumped-up little shit. | ||
| Post# 388590 , Reply# 152 3/20/2018 at 12:32 (2,219 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388596 , Reply# 153 3/20/2018 at 14:13 (2,219 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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This is why I don't get Dyson any time soon.
Nothing wrong with the product, but oh man those people :D
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| Post# 388597 , Reply# 154 3/20/2018 at 14:29 (2,219 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388598 , Reply# 155 3/20/2018 at 14:35 (2,219 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388599 , Reply# 156 3/20/2018 at 14:44 (2,219 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388600 , Reply# 157 3/20/2018 at 14:49 (2,219 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388601 , Reply# 158 3/20/2018 at 14:59 (2,219 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388602 , Reply# 159 3/20/2018 at 15:18 (2,219 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Back to the subject.
If someone is wondering how powerful V10 really is. It has 52 cfm from the vacuum base and 25 cfm from the nozzle. Typical corded Dyson upright has around 50-55 nozzle cfm. Results can be found from the link CLICK HERE TO GO TO Mike811's LINK | ||
| Post# 388604 , Reply# 160 3/20/2018 at 16:16 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388606 , Reply# 161 3/20/2018 at 16:32 (2,218 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388607 , Reply# 162 3/20/2018 at 16:41 (2,218 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
From Blue Ridge Cabin Cleaning YouTube Channel
And his preliminary measurements using a 1" diameter anemometer:
Dyson V10 (From Cyclone Base) 9447 Ft/Min = 107.9 MPH => 51.5 CFM (High Power) 4544 Ft/Min = 51.9 MPH => 24.8 CFM (Low Power) Shark Ion Power (From Cyclone Base) 7547 Ft/Min = 86.2 MPH => 41.2 CFM (High Power) 5350 Ft/Min = 61.1 MPH => 29.2 CFM (Low Power) Dyson V10 (From Nozzle) 4562 Ft/Min = 52.1 MPH => 24.9 CFM (High Power) 1935 Ft/Min = 22.1 MPH => 10.6 CFM (Low Power) Shark Ion Power (From Nozzle) 3152 Ft/Min = 36.0 MPH => 17.2 CFM (High Power) 2198 Ft/Min = 25.1 MPH => 12.0 CFM (Low Power) So, The V10 has 25 nozzle CFM on HIGH and 11 nozzle CFM on LOW. Now before you start jumping all over his measurements (that I have converted), he did say they weren't going to be super accurate. But, even if he was off by 10%, 20% or even 30% (which is doubtful), just think about how much money you're paying for staggeringly low nozzle CFM. Bill | ||
| Post# 388608 , Reply# 163 3/20/2018 at 16:53 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388609 , Reply# 164 3/20/2018 at 17:05 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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I said if someone proves me wrong I will take my hat off to them.
So here it is 😁
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| Post# 388624 , Reply# 166 3/21/2018 at 01:22 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388625 , Reply# 167 3/21/2018 at 01:29 (2,218 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Felix is very clever little vacuum. I love mine :D
It doesn't have same amount of suction what big Dysons have, but more importantly it has more airflow. Best cleaning clean air upright what I have. Felix is not anything new. It's designed over 15 years ago. But why change a good design. Highlight of the Felix is the ET-1 powerhead. Best powerhead what I have used and it also fits to my K-series canister :) | ||
| Post# 388626 , Reply# 168 3/21/2018 at 01:37 (2,218 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Those air watts should be thrown away. It's pretty useless measure. Light Ball has most likely a lot more airflow so comparing just the air watts is a bit misleading. For example my Miele C3 has around 380 airwatts and my Philips Performer Pro 500 AW. Still both have the same level of airflow (108 cfm). Philips just have a lot more suction. In this case 144 inches of waterlift and Miele 90 inches of waterlift. | ||
| Post# 388627 , Reply# 169 3/21/2018 at 01:45 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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I thought the Felix had 93 cfm at the hose Mike?
If you look at the loss from end of the hose to at the cleaner head how come the Felix and the DC 65 have a much lower percentage loss than the V10? The V10 according to these test is losing 50% from end of hose to cleaner head and the Felix is losing just over 20% and the DC65 even less % loss. This doesn't seem correct to me. | ||
| Post# 388628 , Reply# 170 3/21/2018 at 02:13 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388630 , Reply# 171 3/21/2018 at 06:11 (2,218 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 388631 , Reply# 172 3/21/2018 at 06:26 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388635 , Reply# 173 3/21/2018 at 08:46 (2,218 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 388636 , Reply# 174 3/21/2018 at 08:57 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388637 , Reply# 175 3/21/2018 at 09:01 (2,218 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 388638 , Reply# 176 3/21/2018 at 09:09 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388640 , Reply# 178 3/21/2018 at 09:31 (2,218 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388641 , Reply# 179 3/21/2018 at 09:36 (2,218 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 388642 , Reply# 180 3/21/2018 at 09:42 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388643 , Reply# 181 3/21/2018 at 09:43 (2,218 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Mikko, you said your Philips Performer Pro has 144" Waterlift & 108 CFM? Yikes, that is a monster of a vacuum! No wonder why the EU guidelines were put into effect over in Europe.
To put that in perspective, your Philips is basically 50% more powerful than a central vac when measured at the hose! Most central vacs, when you put a waterlift gauge on them at the HOSE, not the canister itself, are lucky to have about 100" waterlift....they need all that power they have because the piping & long hose robs it of so much power. Rob | ||
| Post# 388644 , Reply# 182 3/21/2018 at 09:47 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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What if you have very little piping? I have my central vac in a cupboard in my house and only 3 ft of piping to the valve and a 30 ft hose so it feels very powerful to me. It has 866 airwatts. I know airwatts are misleading.
I know some members just have the power unit in their room and plug the hose directly into it. | ||
| Post# 388645 , Reply# 183 3/21/2018 at 09:56 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388646 , Reply# 184 3/21/2018 at 10:00 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388649 , Reply# 186 3/21/2018 at 10:42 (2,218 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 388650 , Reply# 187 3/21/2018 at 11:07 (2,218 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 389993 , Reply# 189 4/6/2018 at 18:18 (2,201 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) | ||
New Dysons.  I know for myself I have no desire to have a Dyson and never will. I myself prefer Door to Door and older models from the 70's 80's and 90's. But my question is will Dyson keep the corded models they have now for those who want a corded model. I also wonder what the life span for a cordless model will be? A friend of mine was in the vacuum shop up in Saint Joe and she took her Aerus in to be serviced. They were talking about Dyson and the service person said they LOVE Dyson because they break so easily and they make a lot of money off of repairs.
I'll keep my Rainbow and my Aerus Electrolux. But some day I will have my blue Kenmore that I have been looking for from the late 70's. | ||
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