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Post# 386425   2/19/2018 at 23:36 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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I have been reading about bag conversions for shake out bags. The most popular way is use heritage 2 mini emptor. I have used this very nice. I wanted a conversion for 2 prong emptors and conversion for d80 using d80 emptor.
I have extra fan bearing plates not used. I looked at it pretty similar shape to top of emptor. So I put the plate over the hole. If you used a liquid gasket the plate would cover entire hole. It has 4 screw holes jb weld or silicone or gasket would seal making it air tight.
If you used a drill bit circumference of a fill tube you could attach a fill tube to plate. On top get newer sentria fill tupe and you could use micron magic hepa bags newest the avalir uses.
The outer bags can be your choice.
My d80 I have a green top fill bag. My 505 508 510 I have kirby black too fill bag using top bag clamp.
Harbor freight has circular drill bits up to 3inches for under $10. I.m going to drill out plates hopefully have finished product soon.
It's no tradition 2 but your not using bearing plate and you don't have to buy new emptor. Top fill bag is my preference. You could use shakeout and cut out sani pocket or bag with full length zipper. Just gives you a few more options.

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Post# 386437 , Reply# 1   2/20/2018 at 08:46 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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In addition to this I think I would keep original bag and have a full length zipper put on it so you can easily change the bag just like a tradition and still have your beautiful original green D-80 bag.

Post# 386449 , Reply# 2   2/20/2018 at 14:40 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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That's true I'll be sure to put one on have one laying around somewhere.

Post# 386458 , Reply# 3   2/20/2018 at 17:47 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Red cord

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I'll bump this thread instead of making a new one. I received my 510 today. It has new black cord brown sanatronic top fill bag. It has original nozzle and bumper trim. The coolest thing is it has mickey mouse wheels. The wheels could fit on a toy car.
I have a red sanatronic bag I have red c3 wheels. I want a red power cord that fits older machines. The only cord red is c3 and if it's won't fit I'm wondering would a 2cb red fit. I think red 2cb came around same time tradition did but not positive. Well anyways red cord fitting a 510 info would be good to know thanks.

Post# 386805 , Reply# 4   2/26/2018 at 20:36 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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So I got sentria 2 fill tube and full assembly. I went to cut plate and no. I would cut my hand off. I have the solution. I got cardboard basically made a template. I took to local paint and glass store. I showed template and said I need 3 in plexiglass. They brought in cutter and he said only material that would work is lean 1/4in
So I ordered 3 came to $65. It's 4 inch diameter circle with center 2 3/4 center curve out. Looks like a doughnut. It will fit perfect on emptor. I might silicone pvc pipe on hole opening and attach fill tube to it.
I'll show finished product and I think it will work well. Set up original emptor with best bag assembly.
Thanks for reading

Post# 386918 , Reply# 5   2/28/2018 at 13:23 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Les you are a magician !

Post# 386938 , Reply# 6   2/28/2018 at 19:55 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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I'm no magician the bearing plates did not work but lexan glass I'll seal using 3m double sided tape. If you put a bug gaurd on your car this double sided tape is what is used. It's in paint department at home depot. It's about 8 bucks for 50 or 100 feet. I may use same tape to seal the tube to lexan. I don't think I know this will work. I'll be able to use my emptors which fit vacuum and have kirbys best bagged hepa system even better than legend 2. Thanks for compliment I just wanted my d80 to have green emptor and my 505 508 to be able to have a bagged system. The mini emptor is 3 prong and doesn't fit 2 prong older machines.

Post# 387477 , Reply# 7   3/7/2018 at 22:41 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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I have received the lexan glass. I found parts at plumbing section of Hardware store. I'm waiting 2 days for adhesive to dry. This setup works. I used double sided 3m tape on 505-512 version and the tired vacuum had more sun tonight power.
If I could produce lexan piece less than 23 a piece it is super idea. I know lexan works but if I want to sale some to people I need cheaper material.

Post# 387484 , Reply# 8   3/7/2018 at 23:12 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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If I can get costs down. I can change lexan out for 6.50 product. Like a double sided tape but is also a gasket. I'd say about a dollar. Hose assembly I could get to
$5. Generic shake out 8 bucks. Zipper $12. Little fabric to hold top of bag 50 cents. Bag topper 2.50.
So I could produce a sentria 2 style bag assembly including outer bag for 30-35.
If I could Install zippers myself save $11.
This could drop costs to 20-25.
The Kirby legend 2 bag was mini emptor runs right around $50. They Include emptor. I could sale a superior product for same price $50. Say $7 for shipping brings total 32.50 add 13 percent ebay charge. $40 leaving 20 percent margin.
If became big margins could go down. I'm thinking of selling a few. I know it's not a huge market but it would fit 505 to classic. People could use older vacuums without changing anything. You could convert any system to bagless and older machines would get used instead of thrown Away.
It's unrealistic pipe Dream.
But who would spend $50 for bagging system of newest kirbys' you could interchange between any square emptors. I like heritage 2 setup but it doesn't let you use original emptors. It also has limited bags THAT FIT. AM I Crazy yes but if concept works I'd buy one.
I'll take pictures soon of lexan version.

Post# 387647 , Reply# 9   3/10/2018 at 00:36 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Finish product

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I have one bag assembly totally complete. The other bag assembly just needs fill tube and f style sentria 2 bag adapter.
I. Tried on. My 510 before I realized toe touch broke with no tune up it still had alot of suction power. Not only does it pick up better much better its easier on motor since not restricting motor it has the best bagging system kirby makes. Even better than vaunted legend 2 bag system with minimal I emptor. Heritage 2 tube is 2" this is 2.75 inches giving 37.5% more air flow. It uses hepa bags not micron magic paper bags. Making even more efficient.
I'll try to show videos in near future.

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Post# 388682 , Reply# 10   3/21/2018 at 17:14 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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I have an update.
I have had 5 top fill sanatronic bags with invisible zippers sewn on. I ordered material to have sewn inside the bag to hold top of f tube.
I was debating on whether or not to continue to use lexan for seal on emtor. I am and I'm going to try to cut it myself. I am going to change size hopefully perfect fit. If it's a perfect fit I won't have to sale emptor. I have found adhesive to hold tubing to lexan. It's various pieces fit together and I'm using 2.75 in fill tube I bulk ordered and sticking with the sentria 2 fill top. I'm just waiting for parts. I have my d80 using bag setup.
The flow is awesome only issue is cannister mode I think pops bag. This is easily solved with zipper to verify. But straight vacuuming my d80 picks up just as good as my late model sentria. I' found a 4 roll brush roll for my d80 too. This will help even more with carpet agitation.
I need a tripod to mount phone to make videos. I thought I video editing my latest vacuum with d80 nope I got 2 seconds in. Hopefully I'll get tri pod and have videos shortly.

Post# 388730 , Reply# 11   3/22/2018 at 09:45 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Can't wait to see more

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