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Post# 385882   2/12/2018 at 09:07 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

I saw this on Facebook. It appears to be an Avalir with blue on it, and a huge blue K on the bag. The box also has the blue K, as well as Avalir 2 on it.
Is this actually a new Kirby model? Obviously another color change though.


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Post# 385883 , Reply# 1   2/12/2018 at 09:16 by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Yep...

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New model is here.Avalir 2! I knew it was coming out shortly but only saw a picture of it earlier.
Looks GREAT! I'm still waiting to find out what's been changed.
Be nice to see a better picture of it as well.

James :)


Post# 385888 , Reply# 2   2/12/2018 at 11:01 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield)        

Wow.... Blue is my favorite color! Now this is an Avalir Iíd buy! Not a fan of red on any of my Vacuums, just donít like red. But this is really sharp, very modern, I like the bag design and the blue trim is beautiful.

Anyone have any ideas on when they will release this for sale? Any special Kirby dates or months they tend to release the new ones?

Owning a Kirby again has really excited me about Kirby! Iíd not owned one since my Generation 3, and Iím Loving my Sentria II. Iím also curious to see what features differ from the Avalir 2 from the Avalir and my Sentria 2.

Thanks for sharing the photo KirbyCollector!


Post# 385889 , Reply# 3   2/12/2018 at 11:09 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Another Generation 3 in drag. How wonderful.... :-/

Post# 385892 , Reply# 4   2/12/2018 at 11:50 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That's definitely a sharp looking machine. Love the color combo but I'll be more interested to see what improvements--if any--have been made under the hood. Ironic that photo should surface the day after I buy a Sentria.

Post# 385895 , Reply# 5   2/12/2018 at 12:33 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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I don't really care for the color scheme reminds me of the Kirby tradition. They need to come out with an actual new vacuum. They've gotten zombie like performance out of the G3 updates over the years.

Post# 385896 , Reply# 6   2/12/2018 at 12:44 by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Is that a plastic protection on the front of the bag, or just a reflection of some sort. If it is on the front, what

was Kirby thinking. That is not a wear spot on my Avalir........

 

 

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Bud


Post# 385897 , Reply# 7   2/12/2018 at 13:09 by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Oh great another colour change how exciting not 😕

Post# 385907 , Reply# 8   2/12/2018 at 14:30 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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It's really getting sad now. Kirby's duping customers into buying a warmed over 28 year old vacuum. Guaranteed now we won't see a complete redesign until 2020. They probably have so many excess castings of G-series aluminum they've EXHAUSTED how many different ways to dress it up. I say Kirby needs to come out with a completely redesigned machine ASAP or go out of business.

Post# 385908 , Reply# 9   2/12/2018 at 14:48 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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2020? You're optimistic. I don't think they'll be a redesign in 3020 😂

Post# 385909 , Reply# 10   2/12/2018 at 15:26 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I'm sure you're right. Kirby is only interested in dumping as many machines as they can for as long as they're still in business. I just wonder how long it'll be before the Avalir 2 starts popping up at pawn shops?

Post# 385912 , Reply# 11   2/12/2018 at 17:04 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Kirby definitely takes the 'VW Beetle' approach to vacuum cleaner design but they do build an excellent product. It truly is one of the last vacuum cleaners left that you can literally buy for a lifetime. Some may argue that you pay for a lifetime, but when used with reasonable care, one can expect the thing to last for several decades and thus offer a better total cost of ownership proposition than buying a new $69 plasticrap machine at Wally World every year or two. It would be interesting to know how many tons of plastic each Kirby keeps out of the landfills, versus buying plasticrap vacs. Now THAT would make a good marketing campaign--Kirby as an environmentally friendly vacuum cleaner choice. Of course, they'd have to come up with a green color scheme to go with it.

What Kirby really needs to redesign is the way they sell their wares. I have never and will never let a Kirby sales goon on my property, much less inside my home. And why would I, especially when you can skip the strong-arm sales tactics and get one second hand in like-new condition for pennies on the dollar? In some ways, Kirby's biggest competition is the second-hand market for its products.


Post# 385913 , Reply# 12   2/12/2018 at 17:14 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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So wouldn't that be even MORE of an incentive to want to redesign their machine from the ground up? I would never want the new model to be devoid of aluminum, but 28 years of old hat is too long. Even the lay person trading in say a G6 is gonna realize at least aesthetically there's little difference from their machine and the current model.

Post# 385917 , Reply# 13   2/12/2018 at 18:55 by Hank (Cali)        

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Kirby needs to get with the times, the door to door sales method is dated and annoying. I have no idea how Kirby has actually stayed in business this long, they DO make a good reliable product with a TON of parts available for it, but IMO everything else about them is negative. They have had so many lawsuits against them and their distributors its unreal, they have literally been BANNED from selling in some counties in the states. Such a shame really. They could easily cut the price on their machines to something reasonable and sell thru vacuum shops... instead of hosing senior citizens and poor people into 30% apr loans on them, just insane.

Post# 385918 , Reply# 14   2/12/2018 at 19:39 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
door to door sales

For whatever reason, some companies want to stick with the door to door sales approach. Companies like filter queen, rainbow and Aerus come to mind. And it causes price inflation because it's basically a pyramid. Obviously these companies are still selling enough to continue this sales method, the time may come where they need to change their sales method or be out of business. In particular, Rainbow is getting some good competition with the Sirena and the Quantum which can be bought on line at much cheaper prices.
Mike


Post# 385921 , Reply# 15   2/12/2018 at 21:24 by JUJU93 (florida)        
add more pics

hey can someone post more pics of this new kirby or a link to the facebook page that its under.

To me it looks like a regular avalir just with blue trim instead of red, unless its like a bluish black color.

I do agree that they need to come up with a new platform but the real question is, is when will it happen. Don't mind me asking but why do people believe it will be 2020? All we know it could be 2024 or 2030 (god forbid that happens). If you think of it this way the "avalir2" is realistically sentria 4 with a "new color scheme".

Also what does the owners manual (book and dvd) look like?


Post# 385922 , Reply# 16   2/12/2018 at 22:24 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I just threw out 2020 as a guess because another variation seems to come out about every 2 years. Judging by what Kirby seems to be doing (or rather what they aren't), I don't think we'll ever see another all-new design. It SHOULD'VE made its debut in 2010 (when the G-series line was already 20 years old). Even 2014 would've been okay to coincide with Scott & Fetzer's centennial.

Post# 385923 , Reply# 17   2/12/2018 at 22:40 by JUJU93 (florida)        

I just wanna see some more pics of this new kirby. Hopefully the owners manual (dvd) mentions a more detailed instructions on how to use the tile and grout kit as well as the miracle shine kit (which was't mentioned in the previous one)

Post# 385936 , Reply# 18   2/13/2018 at 09:37 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Not a fan of the color. Reminds me of a bruise or a black eye. A vac collector friend saw it and commented that it was as old and blue looking as Betty White's........ (fill in the blank).

Post# 385941 , Reply# 19   2/13/2018 at 10:05 by JUJU93 (florida)        
pics please

I just wanna see some more pics of it

Post# 385948 , Reply# 20   2/13/2018 at 11:53 by Mike811 (Finland)        
Same old

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Nothing new from the Kirby.
This is why I bought the Gsix. I paid 200 euros for it, but it was completely reconditioned. I just upgraded the brushroll to the stiff one. I also use Hepa bags. It works like a dream and there is no way I will be buying the never model.
Yes the Avalir 2 looks very good, but the real improvements are minor.


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Post# 385965 , Reply# 21   2/13/2018 at 15:21 by Reo580 (Holland, Michigan)        

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Reminds me of the Tradition.

Post# 385973 , Reply# 22   2/13/2018 at 17:46 by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Sad...

Just sad. Whatever happened to the all new Kirby that appeared on here in blue print form from a member that worked in a patent office? I had even heard prototypes were put into test markets? Things have been made up before and posted here...just sayin'.

Post# 385976 , Reply# 23   2/13/2018 at 18:13 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I also agree that this reminds me of a Tradtion but I also think that this reminds me of a G4 since I thought those were blue when I was little lol. However though, I don't like the logo on the bag. Overall I think I like the red color and the bag logo on the other Avalir better, it reminds me of a Heritage II and that's my favorite Kirby of all time. I hope one of these days, I would like to see a Avalir or another Kirby that's green again because that's my favorite color on a vacuum lol.

Post# 385985 , Reply# 24   2/13/2018 at 19:43 by JUJU93 (florida)        
What Id like to see change

There are a few things I'd like to see changed in a kirby unit, rather it be a new design or still g-series unit, is the sound of it. I think kirby should work on its acoustics and not make it so noisy, especially when using it on hard service floors. And on the topic of hard surface floors I also think the Multi-Surface-shampoo system should somewhat be redisign too. I say this because, say you wanna get rid of your mop and bucket but you can't becuase theres those few spots that can't fit the MS3 system. And on top of that the MS3 is somewhat wide and bulky, which won't do good if you wanna get into hard to reach places, rather that be mopping floors or shampooing carpets.Both of these things is what I think should be addressed in future designes. I say this because a quieter unit and a smaller size floor mop accesory would be an ideal match. I mean how many of yall use the orginal avalir or earlier with the ms3 and think that its way to loud to use for scrubbing the floors. Also how many of yall can't get into hard to reach places rather it be shampooing or mopping with the current MS3 system? Can someone please post more pics or the link for this new kirby.

Post# 385986 , Reply# 25   2/13/2018 at 20:02 by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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For wood and hard surface I just use a microfiber mop with Kirby's Hard Surface Floor Cleaner. It does a great

job and dries quickly. I just mop backwards out of each room, and throw the mop pad in the laundry when

done.  Microfibertech, has really nice mops and pads.

 

I do have the Avalir system but don't like it for mopping. It doesn't get into tight spaces and the instructions

say you need to have a cloth handy to mop up excess liquid, who wants to do that? I do however think it

does a good job at shampooing.

 

 

PR-21

Bud

 

 

 


Post# 385999 , Reply# 26   2/13/2018 at 21:19 by JUJU93 (florida)        

release the pics of the new kirby please

Post# 386002 , Reply# 27   2/13/2018 at 21:29 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Generation differences

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Yes, the differences in the various G-series Kribys have been extremely minor other than cosmetics. Here's a rundown of the functional (not purely cosmetic) improvements from one model to the next that I'm aware of:

G3=>G4: Improved Tech Drive
G4=>G5: Brush roll status light moved to the opposite side of the brush roll for no apparent reason; bag redesigned
G5=>G6: lower profile, rounded emptor introduced, supposedly less susceptible to impact damage; Micron filter bags introduced
G6=>Ultimate G: outer bag redesigned with curved zipper for easier access; rounded bag topper introduced
Ultimate G=>Ultimate G Diamond Edition: Two-speed switch introduced for this model only.
Ultimate G Diamond Edition =>Sentria: More ergonomic, lighter weight (and more fragile) handle design; LED headlight; improved brush roll introduced; optional delicate brush roll introduced; larger rubber bumper on the nozzle
Sentria=>Sentria 2: Mini emptor introduced offering improved air flow
Sentria 2=>Avalir: Improved shampoo system introduced. Handle redesigned, perhaps to save weight.

Other than that, my understanding is the 'guts' of a G3 are pretty much identical to those of an Avalir.


Post# 386020 , Reply# 28   2/14/2018 at 02:12 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield)        
@human

Thanks for the breakdown on the differences on each Kirby model. I LOVE the Kirby website (see my link) description of each and every Kirby made, with its improvements and intitial release date! So cool and fun to see the pics with the improvements. You just tap on each model to see comparisons.. thanks Kirby Company!

Just wanted to share the Kirby website link and say thanks for the info.

Iím enjoying the Kirby Koolaid Lol.. Iíd forgotten how much I missed my Kirby and this gorgeous Sentria II is soooo much nicer than my last only other Kirby, a Generation 3!

Iím wondering if the Avalir 2 pics are just to throw us enthusiasts off and Kirby really has a totally new design? Wouldnít that be exciting!



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Post# 386027 , Reply# 29   2/14/2018 at 03:14 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Wouldn't the "Avalir 2" be the one that has the red wheels and bag topper?Then the blue one the "Avalir3"?That blue one just looks weird.Like the black-red better.

Post# 386070 , Reply# 30   2/14/2018 at 13:43 by JUJU93 (florida)        
whats new with this unit?

What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.

Post# 386135 , Reply# 31   2/15/2018 at 12:47 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
JUJU93

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I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.

 

 


Post# 386137 , Reply# 32   2/15/2018 at 13:16 by JUJU93 (florida)        
sptyks

Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.



Post# 386138 , Reply# 33   2/15/2018 at 13:58 by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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I think that Kirby has innovated itself into a corner. They won't release a vacuum until it can outperform the current model. The Avalir is as good as it gets. They can't possibly modify the Em-Tor to get more airflow.

Post# 386187 , Reply# 34   2/16/2018 at 00:52 by broomvac (N/A)        

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Whatever it is, that may be a pre-production model which is different from what we finally get. The pictures clearly arenít professional, Kirby certainly hasnít said anything about this new model yet, and IMO the vacuum in the picture does not look like a finished product. It looks to me like it could be a mashup of new blue parts and current black Avalir parts. Iím having a hard time believing that they would release a new model whose plastic pieces donít all match. Then again, look at the current Avalir...

Post# 386197 , Reply# 35   2/16/2018 at 06:48 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

I suppose when Kirby executes an on/off brush roll switch for hard wood floors I may consider one. Also needs a lifetime belt.

Post# 386202 , Reply# 36   2/16/2018 at 08:10 by JUJU93 (florida)        

They never do say anything about releasing a new model. I hope your right about this probably being the final product. Its like I said in previous postings, It just looks like a trim color change, nothing else and a box design change. Speaking of color change does anyone know why they changed the dial and elbow hose color on the ms3 system. What I mean is when the avalir came out the dial and elbow hose was red and now its grey. Does anybody know why they went from red to grey and why they changed the design of the shampoo box?

What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2


Post# 386204 , Reply# 37   2/16/2018 at 08:51 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Radical redesign?

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Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.

Post# 386223 , Reply# 38   2/16/2018 at 11:58 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Kirby Redesign...

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I agree with human 100%.

 

I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.

 

I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.

 

Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.

 

Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 386225 , Reply# 39   2/16/2018 at 12:15 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Kirby will stay on the same road till the end of time. It does get very boring.

Post# 386227 , Reply# 40   2/16/2018 at 13:16 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Locally speaking, Kirby is NOT in good health. In the New York area, there are only 3 distributors left and I hear nothing about new ones opening up. The Generation platform is NOT a perfect one and after 28 years of warmed over models, a change is desperately needed. Other than some slight cosmetic changes I really have no desire for the Avalir 2 over my Generation 3. Wacky graphics and bright colors are not what's going to sell new machines. In the next 5 years Kirby, Filter Queen and Aerus may all have bit the dust....

Post# 386228 , Reply# 41   2/16/2018 at 13:53 by JUJU93 (florida)        
so the changes to the ms3 system

So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were bot originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Ans why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?

As for that comment about a second motor I was referring to the zippbrush needing to have a motor in it or at lease suck up all the dirt and debris,instead of having to take the tool off itself and clean it.

I would like to see the handi butler (sentria version) be re-release. I think that tool couldve had so much potential if it was presented quite a bit. Now that I think about it, in the sentria dvd it didnt demonstrate using the tool in the tabletop position (where the unit is mounted on a table and the air intake guard is attach to the unit and the tool is attach to that instead of the hose). The dvd only mentioned the handi butler in the canister mode. But my point is I think if it had been better presented it couldve had potential.





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