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Post# 385882   2/12/2018 at 09:07 (185 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

I saw this on Facebook. It appears to be an Avalir with blue on it, and a huge blue K on the bag. The box also has the blue K, as well as Avalir 2 on it.
Is this actually a new Kirby model? Obviously another color change though.


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Post# 385883 , Reply# 1   2/12/2018 at 09:16 (185 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Yep...

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New model is here.Avalir 2! I knew it was coming out shortly but only saw a picture of it earlier.
Looks GREAT! I'm still waiting to find out what's been changed.
Be nice to see a better picture of it as well.

James :)


Post# 385888 , Reply# 2   2/12/2018 at 11:01 (185 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Wow.... Blue is my favorite color! Now this is an Avalir Iíd buy! Not a fan of red on any of my Vacuums, just donít like red. But this is really sharp, very modern, I like the bag design and the blue trim is beautiful.

Anyone have any ideas on when they will release this for sale? Any special Kirby dates or months they tend to release the new ones?

Owning a Kirby again has really excited me about Kirby! Iíd not owned one since my Generation 3, and Iím Loving my Sentria II. Iím also curious to see what features differ from the Avalir 2 from the Avalir and my Sentria 2.

Thanks for sharing the photo KirbyCollector!


Post# 385889 , Reply# 3   2/12/2018 at 11:09 (185 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Another Generation 3 in drag. How wonderful.... :-/

Post# 385892 , Reply# 4   2/12/2018 at 11:50 (185 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That's definitely a sharp looking machine. Love the color combo but I'll be more interested to see what improvements--if any--have been made under the hood. Ironic that photo should surface the day after I buy a Sentria.

Post# 385895 , Reply# 5   2/12/2018 at 12:33 (185 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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I don't really care for the color scheme reminds me of the Kirby tradition. They need to come out with an actual new vacuum. They've gotten zombie like performance out of the G3 updates over the years.

Post# 385896 , Reply# 6   2/12/2018 at 12:44 (185 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Is that a plastic protection on the front of the bag, or just a reflection of some sort. If it is on the front, what

was Kirby thinking. That is not a wear spot on my Avalir........

 

 

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Bud


Post# 385897 , Reply# 7   2/12/2018 at 13:09 (185 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Oh great another colour change how exciting not 😕

Post# 385907 , Reply# 8   2/12/2018 at 14:30 (185 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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It's really getting sad now. Kirby's duping customers into buying a warmed over 28 year old vacuum. Guaranteed now we won't see a complete redesign until 2020. They probably have so many excess castings of G-series aluminum they've EXHAUSTED how many different ways to dress it up. I say Kirby needs to come out with a completely redesigned machine ASAP or go out of business.

Post# 385908 , Reply# 9   2/12/2018 at 14:48 (185 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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2020? You're optimistic. I don't think they'll be a redesign in 3020 😂

Post# 385909 , Reply# 10   2/12/2018 at 15:26 (185 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I'm sure you're right. Kirby is only interested in dumping as many machines as they can for as long as they're still in business. I just wonder how long it'll be before the Avalir 2 starts popping up at pawn shops?

Post# 385912 , Reply# 11   2/12/2018 at 17:04 (185 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Kirby definitely takes the 'VW Beetle' approach to vacuum cleaner design but they do build an excellent product. It truly is one of the last vacuum cleaners left that you can literally buy for a lifetime. Some may argue that you pay for a lifetime, but when used with reasonable care, one can expect the thing to last for several decades and thus offer a better total cost of ownership proposition than buying a new $69 plasticrap machine at Wally World every year or two. It would be interesting to know how many tons of plastic each Kirby keeps out of the landfills, versus buying plasticrap vacs. Now THAT would make a good marketing campaign--Kirby as an environmentally friendly vacuum cleaner choice. Of course, they'd have to come up with a green color scheme to go with it.

What Kirby really needs to redesign is the way they sell their wares. I have never and will never let a Kirby sales goon on my property, much less inside my home. And why would I, especially when you can skip the strong-arm sales tactics and get one second hand in like-new condition for pennies on the dollar? In some ways, Kirby's biggest competition is the second-hand market for its products.


Post# 385913 , Reply# 12   2/12/2018 at 17:14 (185 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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So wouldn't that be even MORE of an incentive to want to redesign their machine from the ground up? I would never want the new model to be devoid of aluminum, but 28 years of old hat is too long. Even the lay person trading in say a G6 is gonna realize at least aesthetically there's little difference from their machine and the current model.

Post# 385917 , Reply# 13   2/12/2018 at 18:55 (185 days old) by Hank (Cali)        

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Kirby needs to get with the times, the door to door sales method is dated and annoying. I have no idea how Kirby has actually stayed in business this long, they DO make a good reliable product with a TON of parts available for it, but IMO everything else about them is negative. They have had so many lawsuits against them and their distributors its unreal, they have literally been BANNED from selling in some counties in the states. Such a shame really. They could easily cut the price on their machines to something reasonable and sell thru vacuum shops... instead of hosing senior citizens and poor people into 30% apr loans on them, just insane.

Post# 385918 , Reply# 14   2/12/2018 at 19:39 (185 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
door to door sales

For whatever reason, some companies want to stick with the door to door sales approach. Companies like filter queen, rainbow and Aerus come to mind. And it causes price inflation because it's basically a pyramid. Obviously these companies are still selling enough to continue this sales method, the time may come where they need to change their sales method or be out of business. In particular, Rainbow is getting some good competition with the Sirena and the Quantum which can be bought on line at much cheaper prices.
Mike


Post# 385921 , Reply# 15   2/12/2018 at 21:24 (185 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
add more pics

hey can someone post more pics of this new kirby or a link to the facebook page that its under.

To me it looks like a regular avalir just with blue trim instead of red, unless its like a bluish black color.

I do agree that they need to come up with a new platform but the real question is, is when will it happen. Don't mind me asking but why do people believe it will be 2020? All we know it could be 2024 or 2030 (god forbid that happens). If you think of it this way the "avalir2" is realistically sentria 4 with a "new color scheme".

Also what does the owners manual (book and dvd) look like?


Post# 385922 , Reply# 16   2/12/2018 at 22:24 (184 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I just threw out 2020 as a guess because another variation seems to come out about every 2 years. Judging by what Kirby seems to be doing (or rather what they aren't), I don't think we'll ever see another all-new design. It SHOULD'VE made its debut in 2010 (when the G-series line was already 20 years old). Even 2014 would've been okay to coincide with Scott & Fetzer's centennial.

Post# 385923 , Reply# 17   2/12/2018 at 22:40 (184 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        

I just wanna see some more pics of this new kirby. Hopefully the owners manual (dvd) mentions a more detailed instructions on how to use the tile and grout kit as well as the miracle shine kit (which was't mentioned in the previous one)

Post# 385936 , Reply# 18   2/13/2018 at 09:37 (184 days old) by dysonman1 (undisclosed)        

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Not a fan of the color. Reminds me of a bruise or a black eye. A vac collector friend saw it and commented that it was as old and blue looking as Betty White's........ (fill in the blank).

Post# 385941 , Reply# 19   2/13/2018 at 10:05 (184 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
pics please

I just wanna see some more pics of it

Post# 385948 , Reply# 20   2/13/2018 at 11:53 (184 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        
Same old

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Nothing new from the Kirby.
This is why I bought the Gsix. I paid 200 euros for it, but it was completely reconditioned. I just upgraded the brushroll to the stiff one. I also use Hepa bags. It works like a dream and there is no way I will be buying the never model.
Yes the Avalir 2 looks very good, but the real improvements are minor.


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Post# 385965 , Reply# 21   2/13/2018 at 15:21 (184 days old) by Reo580 (Holland, Michigan)        

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Reminds me of the Tradition.

Post# 385973 , Reply# 22   2/13/2018 at 17:46 (184 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Sad...

Just sad. Whatever happened to the all new Kirby that appeared on here in blue print form from a member that worked in a patent office? I had even heard prototypes were put into test markets? Things have been made up before and posted here...just sayin'.

Post# 385976 , Reply# 23   2/13/2018 at 18:13 (184 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I also agree that this reminds me of a Tradtion but I also think that this reminds me of a G4 since I thought those were blue when I was little lol. However though, I don't like the logo on the bag. Overall I think I like the red color and the bag logo on the other Avalir better, it reminds me of a Heritage II and that's my favorite Kirby of all time. I hope one of these days, I would like to see a Avalir or another Kirby that's green again because that's my favorite color on a vacuum lol.

Post# 385985 , Reply# 24   2/13/2018 at 19:43 (184 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
What Id like to see change

There are a few things I'd like to see changed in a kirby unit, rather it be a new design or still g-series unit, is the sound of it. I think kirby should work on its acoustics and not make it so noisy, especially when using it on hard service floors. And on the topic of hard surface floors I also think the Multi-Surface-shampoo system should somewhat be redisign too. I say this because, say you wanna get rid of your mop and bucket but you can't becuase theres those few spots that can't fit the MS3 system. And on top of that the MS3 is somewhat wide and bulky, which won't do good if you wanna get into hard to reach places, rather that be mopping floors or shampooing carpets.Both of these things is what I think should be addressed in future designes. I say this because a quieter unit and a smaller size floor mop accesory would be an ideal match. I mean how many of yall use the orginal avalir or earlier with the ms3 and think that its way to loud to use for scrubbing the floors. Also how many of yall can't get into hard to reach places rather it be shampooing or mopping with the current MS3 system? Can someone please post more pics or the link for this new kirby.

Post# 385986 , Reply# 25   2/13/2018 at 20:02 (184 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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For wood and hard surface I just use a microfiber mop with Kirby's Hard Surface Floor Cleaner. It does a great

job and dries quickly. I just mop backwards out of each room, and throw the mop pad in the laundry when

done.  Microfibertech, has really nice mops and pads.

 

I do have the Avalir system but don't like it for mopping. It doesn't get into tight spaces and the instructions

say you need to have a cloth handy to mop up excess liquid, who wants to do that? I do however think it

does a good job at shampooing.

 

 

PR-21

Bud

 

 

 


Post# 385999 , Reply# 26   2/13/2018 at 21:19 (184 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        

release the pics of the new kirby please

Post# 386002 , Reply# 27   2/13/2018 at 21:29 (184 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Generation differences

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Yes, the differences in the various G-series Kribys have been extremely minor other than cosmetics. Here's a rundown of the functional (not purely cosmetic) improvements from one model to the next that I'm aware of:

G3=>G4: Improved Tech Drive
G4=>G5: Brush roll status light moved to the opposite side of the brush roll for no apparent reason; bag redesigned
G5=>G6: lower profile, rounded emptor introduced, supposedly less susceptible to impact damage; Micron filter bags introduced
G6=>Ultimate G: outer bag redesigned with curved zipper for easier access; rounded bag topper introduced
Ultimate G=>Ultimate G Diamond Edition: Two-speed switch introduced for this model only.
Ultimate G Diamond Edition =>Sentria: More ergonomic, lighter weight (and more fragile) handle design; LED headlight; improved brush roll introduced; optional delicate brush roll introduced; larger rubber bumper on the nozzle
Sentria=>Sentria 2: Mini emptor introduced offering improved air flow
Sentria 2=>Avalir: Improved shampoo system introduced. Handle redesigned, perhaps to save weight.

Other than that, my understanding is the 'guts' of a G3 are pretty much identical to those of an Avalir.


Post# 386020 , Reply# 28   2/14/2018 at 02:12 (183 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@human

Thanks for the breakdown on the differences on each Kirby model. I LOVE the Kirby website (see my link) description of each and every Kirby made, with its improvements and intitial release date! So cool and fun to see the pics with the improvements. You just tap on each model to see comparisons.. thanks Kirby Company!

Just wanted to share the Kirby website link and say thanks for the info.

Iím enjoying the Kirby Koolaid Lol.. Iíd forgotten how much I missed my Kirby and this gorgeous Sentria II is soooo much nicer than my last only other Kirby, a Generation 3!

Iím wondering if the Avalir 2 pics are just to throw us enthusiasts off and Kirby really has a totally new design? Wouldnít that be exciting!



CLICK HERE TO GO TO HonestJoe68's LINK


Post# 386027 , Reply# 29   2/14/2018 at 03:14 (183 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Wouldn't the "Avalir 2" be the one that has the red wheels and bag topper?Then the blue one the "Avalir3"?That blue one just looks weird.Like the black-red better.

Post# 386070 , Reply# 30   2/14/2018 at 13:43 (183 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
whats new with this unit?

What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.

Post# 386135 , Reply# 31   2/15/2018 at 12:47 (182 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
JUJU93

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I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.

 

 


Post# 386137 , Reply# 32   2/15/2018 at 13:16 (182 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
sptyks

Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.



Post# 386138 , Reply# 33   2/15/2018 at 13:58 (182 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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I think that Kirby has innovated itself into a corner. They won't release a vacuum until it can outperform the current model. The Avalir is as good as it gets. They can't possibly modify the Em-Tor to get more airflow.

Post# 386187 , Reply# 34   2/16/2018 at 00:52 (181 days old) by broomvac (N/A)        

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Whatever it is, that may be a pre-production model which is different from what we finally get. The pictures clearly arenít professional, Kirby certainly hasnít said anything about this new model yet, and IMO the vacuum in the picture does not look like a finished product. It looks to me like it could be a mashup of new blue parts and current black Avalir parts. Iím having a hard time believing that they would release a new model whose plastic pieces donít all match. Then again, look at the current Avalir...

Post# 386197 , Reply# 35   2/16/2018 at 06:48 (181 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

I suppose when Kirby executes an on/off brush roll switch for hard wood floors I may consider one. Also needs a lifetime belt.

Post# 386202 , Reply# 36   2/16/2018 at 08:10 (181 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        

They never do say anything about releasing a new model. I hope your right about this probably being the final product. Its like I said in previous postings, It just looks like a trim color change, nothing else and a box design change. Speaking of color change does anyone know why they changed the dial and elbow hose color on the ms3 system. What I mean is when the avalir came out the dial and elbow hose was red and now its grey. Does anybody know why they went from red to grey and why they changed the design of the shampoo box?

What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2


Post# 386204 , Reply# 37   2/16/2018 at 08:51 (181 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Radical redesign?

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Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.

Post# 386223 , Reply# 38   2/16/2018 at 11:58 (181 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Kirby Redesign...

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I agree with human 100%.

 

I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.

 

I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.

 

Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.

 

Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 386225 , Reply# 39   2/16/2018 at 12:15 (181 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Kirby will stay on the same road till the end of time. It does get very boring.

Post# 386227 , Reply# 40   2/16/2018 at 13:16 (181 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Locally speaking, Kirby is NOT in good health. In the New York area, there are only 3 distributors left and I hear nothing about new ones opening up. The Generation platform is NOT a perfect one and after 28 years of warmed over models, a change is desperately needed. Other than some slight cosmetic changes I really have no desire for the Avalir 2 over my Generation 3. Wacky graphics and bright colors are not what's going to sell new machines. In the next 5 years Kirby, Filter Queen and Aerus may all have bit the dust....

Post# 386228 , Reply# 41   2/16/2018 at 13:53 (181 days old) by JUJU93 (florida)        
so the changes to the ms3 system

So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were bot originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Ans why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?

As for that comment about a second motor I was referring to the zippbrush needing to have a motor in it or at lease suck up all the dirt and debris,instead of having to take the tool off itself and clean it.

I would like to see the handi butler (sentria version) be re-release. I think that tool couldve had so much potential if it was presented quite a bit. Now that I think about it, in the sentria dvd it didnt demonstrate using the tool in the tabletop position (where the unit is mounted on a table and the air intake guard is attach to the unit and the tool is attach to that instead of the hose). The dvd only mentioned the handi butler in the canister mode. But my point is I think if it had been better presented it couldve had potential.


Post# 386443 , Reply# 42   2/20/2018 at 12:43 by JUJU93 (florida)        
does anyone know?

So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were both originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Also why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?

Post# 386452 , Reply# 43   2/20/2018 at 16:00 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Probably just standardizing to a single color. Of course, the question remains why they wouldn't standardize to match the current model.

Post# 386504 , Reply# 44   2/21/2018 at 11:41 by JUJU93 (florida)        
does anyone know when?

Hey has anyone heard anything about the "avalir 2" **cough cough sentria 4** on its release date or any other information. Also can anyone post the link to the facebook page that this was first discovered?

Post# 386557 , Reply# 45   2/22/2018 at 11:57 by Oldskoolguy (Chicago, Illinois)        

That color scheme is just amazing! I love the shimmer they put in the middle of the K. Words cannot describe how cool it is. Human, the new mini emtor for the sentria II was first introduced in the late model (2012) Sentrias. Letís also not forget that Kirby has introduced the Split Second III, so it has redesigned one of its other models. I think the difference is the handle design and the switch.

Post# 386627 , Reply# 46   2/23/2018 at 12:39 by mariotron (Texas )        
Looks nice!

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Does anyone have anymore picture or the original link? I've looked everywhere even for the matching parts but haven't found anything but the weird extra red coloring of the bag top and strap.

Post# 387997 , Reply# 47   3/13/2018 at 21:56 by JUJU93 (florida)        

has anyone heard anything about this new model or have recieved it yet? if so can someone post something about it, in regards to pictures, functions and if theres anything new about it. I found a facebook page that just started posting stuff about the new model and from what I can tell its still the same basic black color just with a few blue trims and so the same color tools and accessories as the previous avalir model.

Post# 388006 , Reply# 48   3/14/2018 at 04:29 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Talked to "Brian" the Kirby rep I deal with-and the new ones are just coming out-Kirby has to use up its supply of the red trimmed ones.Supposed to be real soon.Brain EMailed me a picture of the Black-Blue Avalir-just like what was posted here earlier.He is anxious to get these machines.

Post# 388046 , Reply# 49   3/14/2018 at 13:28 by JUJU93 (florida)        
@ tolivac

Well from what I can tell the only thing that I've notice that change is the belt lifter. It seems they did away with the chrome belt lifters and went back to the old material that they used to do.

@tolivac anyway you could post any of those pics on here. Do you know if they updated the owners manual (book graphics and maybe also the dvd)? Also Did you ask your friend what is new with this unit.

Me personally, I want to get a kirby but I don't want to get one if there eventually going to "redisgn" it within the next few years.Thats one of the reasons why I didn't get a sentria 2, because I was hoping for a redisgn for the avalir. (sadly that didn't happen). Don't get me wrong I love the G-Series, I just want to see some improvements like, re-enguinnerring the sound to make it more quieter as well as the weight of the unit.


Post# 388059 , Reply# 50   3/14/2018 at 16:52 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

Adam Mercer posted on his Instagram recently a better picture of the Avalir 2. I will post it on here for all you to see. So this isnít my picture either.
Credit goes to Adam for posting it.


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Post# 388075 , Reply# 51   3/14/2018 at 21:59 by JUJU93 (florida)        

idk why they came out with a blue box for the new avalir if the only thing that is blue is certin trims on it. Not even the shampoo box or tool bag are blue. Idk about the manuals though. I feel like this isnt much of a color change to even release a new unit. In my personal opinion the real deffinition of a color change would be sentria 2. They went from grey/lavender (sentria) to a brownish tan (sentria 2). With the avalir it only looks like they changed the trim from red to blue and then change the font of the word avalir and added a 2 to it, as well as change the belt lifter from crome to plastic. They didn't even change the pattern design either. I was really hoping for more blue than anything. But don't get me wrong im sure kirby is coming up with something great for the next model if they kept their current avalir and tweaked it a bit, but if they're gonna do a color change, change the color completly and not just the trim and font and belt lifter.

so far based of the previous avalir I can tell that the new model will introduce the followings:
updated belt lifter
the tool bag
probably new type of bags
havent seen anything new with the MS3 (Multi-Surface Shampoo System) to think theyve updated. unless they came up with more brushrolls and functions for it.


Post# 388080 , Reply# 52   3/14/2018 at 22:41 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

I wonder if the Tech Drive pedal on the Drive side, will be blue.. or the shampoo hose or the suction control valve on the attachment handle. Has anyone seen the attachments yet.. are they the obvious choice, Black?

Do you think the Zipp Brush will be the same black model they sell now?

Iím just not sure after looking at the pics for a while.. I love the color blue, itís my favorite.. but Iím Not thrilled with the bag design. It doesnít seem classy or sophisticated enough for a Kirby. Oh well itís still very nice and Iím sure it will be popular.

Iím still thrilled with my Kirby Sentria 2 and itís colors! I know a lot of members here werenít fond of the Sentrai 2 bag design, but I LOVE it! Iím also a huge fan of the color of the attachment tools too. Iím just SO tired of grey and black on vacuums. Does anyone else wish Kirby would come out with a brightly colored design with Orange or bright Turquoise.. or maybe a bright Grass Green??

Iím an odd ball.. Lol


Post# 388087 , Reply# 53   3/15/2018 at 01:37 by keither (California )        

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I like the current Avalir better than the blue one.

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Post# 388101 , Reply# 54   3/15/2018 at 08:53 by JUJU93 (florida)        

see nothing matches with the avalir 2. Like the big box doesn't match the shampoo box nor the tool bag (in terms of coloring). To be honest kirby shouldve made the shampoo box blue, as well as the dial on the shampoo tank as well as the elbow hose that connects the tank and nozzle. Can someone post pics of what the owners manual looks like (dvd and book)?

Post# 388176 , Reply# 55   3/15/2018 at 22:01 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Dont mind me asking but, who here has already gotten the new avalir 2? If so, whats new with it.

you know what also came to my mind, is the tile and grout kit, as well as the miracle shine kit. Now this may sound rediculous of me to ask or hope for, but hopefully kirby updated the coloring on those boxes as well. Like for example. the tile and grout kit for the avalir is red and white and says "design exclusively for the avalir", well hopefully they updated that to a blue and white color scheme and says design for the ms3 system. As for the mircale shine box, which is red and black, hopefully they change that to blue and black.

To me its the little things like the packaging design, and the manuals that bother me a lot. For those who do have the new avalir 2 can you tell me if the dvd mentions a more detailed instructions on the tile and grout. Also does it mentioned the miracle shine kit. I ask this question because the previous avalir didn't mentioned much on said tile and grout kit and it also doesn't mentioned the miracle shine kit at all.


Post# 388291 , Reply# 56   3/17/2018 at 05:29 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't know how to link the picture sent to my phone.Got a call from Brian earlier and he told me the machines are now on the market.He has mine reserved for me along with the other red trimmed Avalir.He is going to bring them to me sometime very soon-next week.He is in Raleigh.He serves both Raleigh and Atlanta part time-so Brian travels a lot.He is also recovering from a bad car crash where a drunk driver hit him and totaled his car and he got hurt.He's OK and has a new car.Besides the Blue-black one for me he ordered one for himself-I inspired Brian to become a collector-and another for some other customer.We will be the first to have one of these in this area.Anxious to get these!!!

Post# 388310 , Reply# 57   3/17/2018 at 10:22 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@tolivac

Wow Congratulations Rex!

PLEASE share pics of your beautiful new Kirbyís as soon as he delivers them. I am excited for you and canít wait to hear what is different from the Avalir 1.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to hearing about and seeing pics your new Kirbys.

Have a great day!


Post# 388380 , Reply# 58   3/17/2018 at 21:51 by JUJU93 (florida)        

For those who have recieved the new unit what improvements have been made compare to the previous avalir? Also if anyone has a youtube channel can someone upload a video of the avalir2 and what comes with it and what has been improved since the previous unit. Also can someone upload the avalir 2 owners manual on youtube. I only ask because itll be a liftime before kirby uploads it to their youtube channel, most likely next year. Also did anyone get the tile and grout kit/ miracle shine kit and or turbo accessory with the new avalir2, if so can y'all post pics of that too.

appreciate it.


Post# 388423 , Reply# 59   3/18/2018 at 11:02 by JUJU93 (florida)        
whats ironic

What I find ironic is that both dyson and kirby have both release new machines within a matter of weeks/days from each other. Now don't get me wrong both machines are great but I find it a little fishy that two companies would release 2 new models within a certain time from of each other.

Post# 388876 , Reply# 60   3/23/2018 at 22:34 by JUJU93 (florida)        
conformation

So I found this video of the new avalir2 ms3 online and I was wondering is this what the shampoo system looks like for the new model. From seeing previous post of the avalir 2 and the ms3 system that comes with it, it looks like theyre still selling the grey dial and elbow hose over the blue dial and blue elbow hose. What I'm trying to say is that is the blue dial and elbow hose selling with the avalir 2 or are they still selling the grey elbow hose and dial with the avalir2. To me it would make since to sell the blue one (as shown in the video) over the grey option, that way it all matches the color scheme.

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Post# 388889 , Reply# 61   3/24/2018 at 01:44 by Sensotronic (Englandshire)        

They won't be able to sell the new model in EU countries if they haven't reduced the noise level as it goes way above the permitted maximum of 80db. The EU rating label shown here is right at the back of the UK instruction book.

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Post# 388893 , Reply# 62   3/24/2018 at 03:10 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That is a good point Roger.

Those ratings don't look so special 😱


Post# 388895 , Reply# 63   3/24/2018 at 03:17 by Sensotronic (Englandshire)        

No, those ratings don't look good which is why it took me a while to find them on Kirby's website. Most people will disagree with them though as it has the same carpet and floor pick up rating as a straight suction Henry. From experience I'm sure a Kirby is a deeper cleaner than a Henry.

Post# 388898 , Reply# 64   3/24/2018 at 03:21 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Haha yes to be fair the Kirby deserves a better rating than that on carpet. And the dust emissions will be mostly carbon dust.

But the noise level will be a big problem for Kirby in the EU


Post# 388907 , Reply# 65   3/24/2018 at 04:44 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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They maybe able to reduce the noise level with sound insulation of course.


Post# 389011 , Reply# 66   3/25/2018 at 09:37 by mariotron (Texas )        

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I really like the black and blue color scheme. Especially the blacked-out belt lifter.

Not sure what I think about the giant "K" on the bag. And is it me or does the bag all black or is the camera not showing the blue ?


Post# 389026 , Reply# 67   3/25/2018 at 14:51 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hey Guys,

Tyler, the bag appears to be dark blue or maybe black with the silver diamond like pattern and like you said, the giant ďKĒ on the front. Iím not really liking the bag design myself on the Avalir 2.. but everyone teases me for loving and buying the Sentria 2 just because I love the tan and teal colors. Blue is my favorite color, so I might buy this one just because it has a nicer shampoo and floor system than my awesome Kirby Sentria 2.

Hey Mark, your comments regarding the EU ratings, on decibels and emissions got me thinking. Kirby has a very easy fix for these two issues. One, like you mentioned, sound insulate the inside of the aluminum motor shell.. maybe a sprayed on sound dampening material could be used similar to how they make the inside noise of a car quieter. Also, they could change the outer bag possibly to dampen some of the rushing air sounds from the Kirbys powerful airflow. Lastly, the Carbon emissions made a lightbulb go off for me.. you know the small motor vent on the side of the Kirby, close to the height adjustment lever.. I wonder if Kirby were to put a snap in filter there if that would give them better emissions rating?? I doubt the emissions are from the bag as those are made so well and trap everything.. I donít know where else the emissions would come from? Itís a thought as something that small should be easy to fix and not very costly, they could just add one to each 6 pack of Kirby bags for replacement.

Lastly, No offense to the EU but I donít agree with the ďCĒ ratings on carpet and hard floor. I get such excellent results from my Kirby that I canít believe thatís accurate for the majority of peoples carpeting and hard floors. I mean come on I can see dust bunnies FLY from several inches away into the Kirby nozzle with the brushroll off cleaning my hard floors. And as for carpeting. I have done the flour and sand test on several of my thick area rugs and carpeting with amazing results. My Sentria 2 sucked up the flour from under the area rug in one pass and every bit of the sand from my deep plush carpet.

Thanks guys, as always I love reading your comments.


Post# 389056 , Reply# 68   3/25/2018 at 21:41 by JUJU93 (florida)        

So does anyone know what the attachments/accessories and manuals look like. Like are all the red accent and wording that was on the tools and accessories of the avalir 1, are those accent pieces and wordings now blue. Like for example of the turbo accessory and zippbrush on the avalir 1 the word KIRBY is red, so I'm assuming that theyre now blue, am I correct? Now I posted a video link of the msss for the avalir2, a few comments back, and I was wondering if thats what it looks like for this model. If anyone can conform it that would be great. Also if anyone has a youtube channel can they upload the dvd owners manual.

Post# 389089 , Reply# 69   3/26/2018 at 11:23 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Patrick,

 

It is not possible to put a filter on the air vent on the side of the Kirby G series vacuums. This vent allows hot air from the motor's cooling fan to escape from the motor compartment. If the air escaping from this vent is restricted by any type of filter, the motor will soon overheat. I know of at least 3 people that have tried this only to burn out the motor in their Kirby's.

 

 


Post# 389090 , Reply# 70   3/26/2018 at 11:23 by mariotron (Texas )        
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I really hope it's blue it would be a nice throw back to tradition. Oh and I don't blame you for liking the SenII. The color schemes remind me of 60s (maybe 70s) Eurekas.
I don't know what going with the EU rating either. My Diamond editons easily picks up litter from a distance off my hard floors and lifts up my entire rug and gets all the carpet powder out even when the bag is nearly full.


Post# 389096 , Reply# 71   3/26/2018 at 11:54 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Patrick they need to do something about the carbon emissions. I know the Tandem air cleaners have a carbon filter and the new Sebo X7 has a much better exhaust filter now.

I don't agree with a C rating either and the MD of Kirby UK certainly doesn't either from the tone of his voice when I spoke to him 😁

Maybe they didn't adjust the floorhead properly. Kirby should ask for a retest and for a Kirby rep to be present to ensure it's set up correctly.


Post# 389114 , Reply# 72   3/26/2018 at 15:24 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@sptyks

Hi Stan,

Thanks for the clarification, I didnít know what that side vent was used for, just trying to figure out where carbon dust was escaping to lower the Kirby emissions to such a bad rating. Thank you for explaining that, now I know.

I just donít see how that emissions rating and the ďCĒ ratings for carpet and flooring can be correct. I know I have lots of allergies and even asthma and I can vacuum the entire house with my Kirby Sentria 2 and never sneeze once. AND the carpets look new and clean as well as I love watching the dog hair and dust bunnies FLY across the floor into the Kirby.

Thanks Tyler for the comment about liking the Sentria 2 bag as well. I think they should go all out and make a Kirby bag with a colorful LAVA lamps and Disco Balls design! Just Joking but how fun would that be. I wonder if anyone else, besides me, has thought about buying other outer bags in different patterns, just to snazzy up their Kirby or make it more exciting?? Iím tempted to buy the Avalir 2 Blue Bag after they start selling them to see how it looks on my Sentria 2.

Mark, I TOTALLY agree! I am always suspect of vacuum testing and I think itís only fair that these testing facilities allow at least one representative from the company be present for testing to see if they are adjusting it correctly, etc. There are a lot of variables that could make the test results less reliable or incorrect. What if in the EU testing, they didnít secure the disposable HEPA bag correctly? What if like you said they didnít set the height adjustment to the correct position? Good call on that Marki.

Thanks guys!


Post# 389116 , Reply# 73   3/26/2018 at 15:35 by mariotron (Texas )        
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I actually would like to have custom outer bags. I've seen some people on YouTube put classic bag on G Series and would like to try it some day because I really like the older bags puff up.

Oh, and if someone does make custom bag I'll need one that looks like Nintendo's kirby for obvious reasons.


Post# 389125 , Reply# 74   3/26/2018 at 19:09 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
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Don't try & tell me one couldn't put a filter on the Kirby's motor air vent! That's total BS. When you say three people tried it & killed the motor on their Kirby, the key is they did it homemade, it was NOT something engineered into the vacuum's entire system. The fact that Sebo has done it with the X Series uprights for a LONG time now, & Tacony has done it with the Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air uprights, is proof it can be done if some thought is put into the engineering & executed properly.

I completely agree with Marcus in reply 71 that Kirby needs to do something about it IMMEDIATELY. It's just not acceptable anymore for a vacuum to not have any sort of exhaust filtration, even if it's just a micro filter. Consumers are demanding it now, even if they aren't allergy sufferers. It may just be carbon dust emissions, but it's not modern for a vacuum not to have a exhaust filter & it's a very valid reason for a consumer to say "no" to the Kirby when they have a presentation in their home.

I think if Kirby put a filter similar to Miele's Super Air Clean filter material that comes with their bags, I think something like that would provide adequate exhaust filtration for the carbon dust, & not be so restrictive as to cause a problem with the motor, as long as it was changed regularly with every bag change. Just include the filters with the bags in a package of bags & proper instructions.

As for the Avalir2? Not a fan of it. The blue accents are nice, but I am not a fan of the blue "K" on the bag. Definitely agree with Keither in reply 53 that the first Avalir color scheme looks better. Kirby definitely needs to get with it & stop making new red accents & then a Avalir2 with a new color scheme & just design a new model. How much longer can they keep trotting out the same old tired platform & still stay in business??

Rob


Post# 389157 , Reply# 75   3/27/2018 at 02:30 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Carbon emission from vacuum motors-Gee-for close to 100 years folks have been vacuuming with cleaners emitting carbon dust-its so minute-not worth worrying about.And it stays near the vacuum.There is ZERO dirt emissions from the bag when I tested it with an IQ Air particle meter.Yes,we can make a filter for the motor exhaust-but is it really necessary?I haven't seen people falling over from carbon dust emitted from vacuum cleaner motors-and keep in mind OTHER household appliances and power tools use carbon brush equipped motors.should we put filters on those,too?Honestly-there are other things more serious to worry about.

Post# 389163 , Reply# 76   3/27/2018 at 03:12 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Yes I agree but in the EU when you see an F rating for emissions it doesn't look good does it. And it could easily be solved.

Of course it's not harmful and the bags filter very well it's just the impression it will give when people see this label. :)


Post# 389186 , Reply# 77   3/27/2018 at 10:16 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hey everybody,

Sorry, I didnít mean to offend anyone with my comment regarding Kirby emissions. Like Mark, I was simply disappointed that such an awesome vacuum as the Kirby would receive an ďFĒ rating for emissions when all the Important stuff is totally filtered out by the bag!

My comment was a rambling where I simply thought maybe the Kirby design team could consider a way to stop carbon dust emissions simply to gain an ďAĒ rating for emissions... I meant nothing else and was not implying anything bad about Kirby. Iím not bothered by the thought of carbon emissions, just the dust and pollen.. which awesomely enough the Kirby removes easily with itís excellent micron filtration bags.

So I hope since we are ALL vacuum fans and no matter which brand or type of vacuum we prefer... we can all come together here and have fun and post our ideas and thoughts. I certainly didnít mean to get folks arguing with each other. Thanks everybody and have a great day!


Post# 389191 , Reply# 78   3/27/2018 at 11:01 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Hey can someone confirm my question in reguards to my post (post 60) as well as (post 68/49/55) and post 68

Post# 389194 , Reply# 79   3/27/2018 at 11:32 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@JUJU93

Hi Julian,

I highly doubt your request is being ignored, but more likely no one has seen the manual and DVD yet. I know of only a very few people who have even seen this vacuum in person. Guess we all will have to wait as Kirby doesnít even acknowledge the Avalir 2 on their website yet.

Iím excited to see everything as well but I guess we will just have to wait until someone who blogs here gets one and takes pics for us. Itís exciting but I hate waiting too, so I can sympathize with you.

Have a great day!


Post# 389199 , Reply# 80   3/27/2018 at 12:58 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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Rob,

 

I'm afraid that you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

How many Direct Air vacuums do you know of that have a filter specifically for capturing Carbon dust emitted from the motor brushes? Sebo and Miele don't count because they are not Direct Air machines.  So all of the following Direct Air vacuums Do Not have any type of filter for Carbon Dust emissions: Royal Metal Upright, Kirby, Sanitaire, Hoover, etc. Riccar Tandem Air doesn't count because the Direct Air motor Carbon emissions are captured by the Bypass Air motor and sent into the bag.

 

I don't see Kirby spending any effort on trying to design a filter to capture motor emissions for the following reasons:

 

1.  The Carbon dust expelled by the Kirby's motor cooling fan is so Minute that it is totally harmless to anyone. Carbon is harmless! Think about the Miele Bypass Air upright which has a Charcoal filter. What is Charcoal made of? Carbon!!! If Charcoal is harmless to Humans, so Carbon dust is also harmless to Humans!!!!!

 

2. CRI Labs has awarded the Kirby Avalir the Gold seal of approval for it's cleaning ability and also the Green environmental seal of approval for emissions. CRI doesn't bother to measure emissions from the Kirby's cooling fan exhaust because of reason #1 above.

 

3. Kirby is not bothered by the EU's "F" rating for emissions. Kirby's sales in the EU are less than 1% of overall sales worldwide. IMHO The EU's testing laboratories seems to have a stick up their butt when it comes to testing American made appliances. 

 

 


Post# 389200 , Reply# 81   3/27/2018 at 13:06 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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You are incorrect about the Tandem air machines. The direct air motor has a carbon filter. It does not exhaust into the bag chamber.

I'm sad to think Kirby don't care about us in Europe haha. Maybe us folks in Europe don't care about the Kirby either :)


Post# 389201 , Reply# 82   3/27/2018 at 13:13 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Look closely Stan you will see the direct air motor filter :)

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Post# 389206 , Reply# 83   3/27/2018 at 13:57 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        
the new G3 has a big V hole

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Kirby on the early generation series used to put a foam filter for carbon dust, so did Oreck on the Xl21, Bissell also did on there dual fan machines later made by Tacony. And of course is the Tacony tandem air machines.
Carbon dust emissions and recirculation of any dust in the air in the room is a concern.

If Kirby wasn't owned by Scott's fitzer they wouldn't still exist. Like I've been saying they need to come out with a modern design for the modern Market.


Post# 389207 , Reply# 84   3/27/2018 at 14:02 by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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They do need to come out with a modern design but would the Kirby traditionalists like it?

Personally I would love to see a new design especially if they had a 12" floorhead model.


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Post# 389289 , Reply# 86   3/28/2018 at 08:35 by JUJU93 (florida)        
@ Adambomb

where did you find that nice pic of the avalir2?

Post# 389290 , Reply# 87   3/28/2018 at 09:24 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Kirby changes

I'm not in to uprights, much prefer canisters so I've been watching this thread but haven't really had much to contribute, although if Kirby ever does come out with a new model, one change I think they should make is to provide an easy way to stop the brush roll for cleaning bare floors. Unless I'm mistaken which is possible, currently you have to turn the machine off, wait for the motor to stop and then move a bar to disengage the belt. Many uprights now provide a simple switch to do this. Actually, that leads me to a question. Is it even possible to provide this feature without a separate motor that spins the brush roll? All of the uprights I can think of that provide this are clean air, two motor designs, the Sebo Felix, the Tacony tandom air and two motor uprights, etc.
Mike


Post# 389292 , Reply# 88   3/28/2018 at 10:01 by broomvac (N/A)        

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Kirby could just use a small portion of the suction airflow to cool the motor. Iíll bet it would be quieter (no motor vent) and it would take care of the carbon emissions.

Post# 389295 , Reply# 89   3/28/2018 at 10:46 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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If you knew anything about how Direct Air vacuums work and how the airpath is designed,  you would understand that what you are suggesting is not possible.

 

The fan chamber is totally isolated from the motor and motor cooling fan to prevent dirt and dust from collecting inside the motor and destroying it.

 

There are several videos on Youtube that show the disassembly and reassembly of various Kirby vacuums. I suggest you watch at least one of these videos, then you  will understand why your idea is not possible. 


Post# 389297 , Reply# 90   3/28/2018 at 10:58 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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A good way to prevent the noise level would be to not switch it on and keep it locked away in a cupboard 😁

Post# 389299 , Reply# 91   3/28/2018 at 11:13 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Carbon dust motor filters...

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On Direct Air vacuums are not only impractical, but totally unnecessary. Carbon dust emissions from Direct Air motors is not only invisible, but totally harmless. The Tacony Tandem Air machines are not true Direct Air vacuums.

 

Kirby has been selling vacuums with the same basic Direct Air design for over 100 years. I don't see why it matters that Scott & Fetzer owns Kirby. Kirby is still in business because their machines cannot be beaten when it comes down to deep cleaning carpets. Why would Kirby drastically change their design when the current design works so well?

 


Post# 389300 , Reply# 92   3/28/2018 at 11:19 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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Marcus,

I see that you are still a Troll. Always trying to stir up controversy and trouble with your smart-aleck remarks.

 


Post# 389301 , Reply# 93   3/28/2018 at 11:20 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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It's a good job everyone doesn't take that attitude or we would still be living in caves 👍

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Post# 389305 , Reply# 95   3/28/2018 at 11:48 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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@no0xy: The "bar" you refer to is actually more like a little crank that lifts the belt off of the motor shaft. Turn the machine off, turn the crank and you're back in business in like five seconds. Not a big deal. Kirby also offers a hard surface plate that snaps onto the bottom of the nozzle to keep the brush roll from touching the floor.

A twin-motor design would make absolutely no sense for Kirby; it's just not what they do. There's no practical way to add that to the existing design and the compromises needed to incorporate it would turn Kirby into just another bagless plasticrap vac with nothing to distinguish it from the competition. A big part of Kirby's success comes from offering something different, something its customers can't find at their local big-box store. Kirby is well aware their products aren't for everyone and they design their products accordingly. In successfully carving out a niche market, they cater to the needs and expectations of that market. People who are inclined to by a $89 piece of plasticrap from Walmart aren't part of that market and their desires aren't considered any more than, say, Porsche considers the needs and desires of the average econo hatchback driver in its product designs.


Post# 389310 , Reply# 96   3/28/2018 at 12:07 by broomvac (N/A)        
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I am well aware of how Kirbys work. I have rebuilt more than I can count.

In fact, my suggestion is absolutely possible. You did not understand my suggestion.

This is an awkward illustration, but imagine this:

1. Attach Kirby rug nozzle to machine.
2. Drill hole in nozzle wing
3. Glue one end of a hose to said hole in nozzle
4. Attach other end to motor vent
5. Vacuum carpet as usual

All carbon dust goes into the bag. In fact, with this setup, a separate motor cooling would not even be required. The dirt-free suction airflow alone could cool the motor. Kirby vacuums have more than enough airflow to spare.

Of course, such a setup could be engineered much more elegantly. But this is what I meant in my earlier post.


Post# 389311 , Reply# 97   3/28/2018 at 12:10 by broomvac (N/A)        

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In other words, the air going INTO the kirbyís fan gets split somewhat. Some goes to the floor (this air stream carries dirt) and the other separate stream is directed over the motor to cool it and suck away the carbon dust.

Post# 389312 , Reply# 98   3/28/2018 at 12:16 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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That is a possibility Broomvac 😊

Post# 389325 , Reply# 99   3/28/2018 at 17:56 by fairfax88 (Orlando, FL)        
OK for EVERYONE,


I just bought the new Blue Kirby,and it DOES NOT Have carbon brushes any longer,It is just like the the E2-Black Rainbow!

~David


Post# 389327 , Reply# 100   3/28/2018 at 18:54 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        
FairFax88

So youíre saying itís now Brushless?

If so, wow...
quite honestly. I never thought Kirby would go brushless.
Iím very interested to see how it sounds and performs.


Post# 389329 , Reply# 101   3/28/2018 at 19:05 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        
FairFax88

Could you maybe post a video of it? Along with a picture of the rating stamp.
Thatíd be greatly appreciated.


Post# 389345 , Reply# 102   3/28/2018 at 21:41 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Uh-oh

If the new Avilar2 is brushless the whole EU rating, emission, motor filter argument went moot.

Post# 389347 , Reply# 103   3/28/2018 at 22:16 by JUJU93 (florida)        
so there is changes to the kirby?

Im confused on what is new with this unit? Are you saying that whats new is something internal (something we can't see) or is it something that we can physically see? From seeing a few youtube videos nothing seems to be differenet in terms of sound, functions, ect. Does anyone know if KIRBY did (or is doing) a launch video for the new AVALIR2, kind of like what they did with the Sentria/Sentria II and AVALIR ?

Post# 389352 , Reply# 104   3/29/2018 at 01:31 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Really a brushless motor from Kirby? I will be flabagasted if they have done something so radical 😀

Post# 389364 , Reply# 105   3/29/2018 at 09:12 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

With nothing to confirm this other than the statement by another poster, I can only state that Kirby is a slow adopter of new fangled technology, until they can prove that it has durability.

They didn't adopt a disposable bag system, until they had a bag system that could function reliably with the air flow without radically compromising the performance.

Kirby did not introduce a power drive (tech drive) until they had technology that they were sure would survive the test of time.

If they are adopting a brushless motor, it will only be after extensive testing to insure the motor meets their standards of Quality, Reliability, and Performance. By adding a brushless motor they will be adding electronics that they have never used before, thus they have testing to prove durability.

It would be a big move for Kirby, I will believe it when I see it, but as I stated before. The worry of carbon dust would be moot, if this were the case.


Post# 389366 , Reply# 106   3/29/2018 at 09:17 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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If they add a brushless motor I think that would be a very good improvement.

If they could also add a 12" nozzle for people in smaller homes I would buy one and I think a lot more people would 👍


Post# 389372 , Reply# 107   3/29/2018 at 10:44 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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A Brushless motor in a Kirby?

 

I will believe it when I see it!

 

 


Post# 389380 , Reply# 108   3/29/2018 at 11:42 by JUJU93 (florida)        
more pics

Can someone post some more pics and or some videos of the new avalir2.

thanks


Post# 389390 , Reply# 109   3/29/2018 at 15:27 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        
G11 Kirby might be like Bigfoot.

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Sorry to be so skeptical but I doubt they have a brushless motor.
When I look on a wholesale parts catalog I don't see anything past G10 I don't see really any evidence of an avalir 2 being in production on the Kirby side. I Google image search doesn't pull up anything for "G11" or" avalir 2"
Did someone Photoshop that stuff?


Post# 389412 , Reply# 110   3/29/2018 at 21:47 by JUJU93 (florida)        
G10E

All kirby models from Sentria-current are known as G10E, even the avalir is known as a G10. To me it makes since that it would be known as such since all that really change is cosmetics, nothing really internal to make it go from G10E >> G11E or ect. So far that I know of, since this is just a color (more like trim change), the model number is most likely G10E. One way to find out is on the bottom side of the box that you use to store the machine and attachments, it should say the model name and then number. ex AVALIR G10E.

Post# 389452 , Reply# 111   3/30/2018 at 10:43 by mariotron (Texas )        
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I know a lot of people are saying to redesign or modernize the Kirby but if it still out performs a lot of modern machine is it still outdated? I believe Kirby has stated they won't redesign it until they found something to out preform the current model. I get there's a convince issue with the tools and brush roll shut off but preformance wise it's aged really well.

One more thing... what you think if it IS actually brushless?


Post# 389455 , Reply# 112   3/30/2018 at 11:59 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

I have an idea that Kirby could use to widen there customer base and STILL keep us loyal Kirby G10 fans happy too.

Kirby should design a second vacuum in a totally new design AND keep the improvements and updates coming on the current G10. Maybe make a lighter weight vacuum and design a Kirby with on board tools and maybe a two motor design to be able to turn the brushroll off with a switch.

Just a thought, but as many companies do.. diversify and reach a much wider customer base. I donít think anyone would think less of Kirby for doing this and I really think it would open up a vast amount of possibilities for a well built, lighter weight and more modern ďKirbyĒ.

Just a thought and I mean NO disrespect to the Kirby company. I LOVE my Kirby and the Kirbyís Iíve owned over the years.. I just would love to see what amazing things the Kirby design team could come up with if they didnít have to stay with the same G10 design.

Thanks and PLEASE I donít want to make anyone mad or start arguments... I like everyone here at vacuumland and Iím a collector that loves and respects ALL manufacturers and types of vacuums.

Patrick


Post# 389458 , Reply# 113   3/30/2018 at 12:22 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I agree Patrick but I doubt it will ever happen Kirby are not that kind of company.

Do they actually have an R&D department? I wouldn't have thought they needed one.


Post# 389459 , Reply# 114   3/30/2018 at 12:31 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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there are a couple of reasons why I don't think Kirby will be using a brushless motor anytime soon.

 

First brushless motors require a circuit card to function. circuit cards in vacuum cleaners are often the most probable cause of failure. Kirby is all about reliability so I don't think they will go this route anytime soon.

 

Second brushless motors are quite a bit more expensive to produce then the current Universal type motor that Kirby has been using since its Inception in the early 1900s. I'm sure there are other reasons as well but these two points are the ones that come to mind at this point in time.


Post# 389460 , Reply# 115   3/30/2018 at 12:44 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Isn't the Rainbow brushless motor very reliable?

Post# 389461 , Reply# 116   3/30/2018 at 13:51 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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Vacfan1982
The motor itself I think is very reliable but I have heard that the electronic board that controls the speed of it can fail sometimes. That is board itself is a $400 part. This is what I heard. I have a e2 gold and had no problem with it.


Post# 389464 , Reply# 117   3/30/2018 at 14:00 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Oh if that is true about the board failing then maybe Kirby would be better not introducing a brushless motor.



Post# 389465 , Reply# 118   3/30/2018 at 14:02 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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$400 dollars for a circuit board? Wow that sounds a lot!

Post# 389883 , Reply# 119   4/5/2018 at 17:13 by JUJU93 (florida)        
Any news?

Hey has anyone recieved the new unit yet? if so can anyone give us their point of view on it and what makes it new compare to the previous avalir. Also can anyone post pics of it, as well as the attachments and accessories.

K, thanks


Post# 389899 , Reply# 120   4/5/2018 at 21:42 by fairfax88 (Orlando, FL)        
JUJU93

Why don't you come to DownTown Orlando,and play with the new Blue Kirby?
You can take it all apart and vacuum my intire house with it and use all of the attachments! ANY TIME YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!!!

~David


Post# 389935 , Reply# 121   4/6/2018 at 08:52 by JUJU93 (florida)        
@fairfax88

lol thanks but no thanks.

your quite far from where I live. To be honest it not even a blue kirby. Its just black with few blue trims.To be honest everytime KIRBY releases a model that has a 2 in it (heritage/legend 2 , sentria 2) the next model after it (ex. gen 3 and avalir 1) is always worth getting compare to a model that has a 2 in it. So Im hoping the next model is worth the wait. God forbid we get another re-colored sentria (what will be sentria 5) as the next new kirby. So far we're on sentria 4 (whats known as the avalir2)


Post# 389938 , Reply# 122   4/6/2018 at 09:05 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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What do mean Sentria 4? It's just another renamed Generation series. By now they may as well call it Generation infinity lmao.

Post# 389941 , Reply# 123   4/6/2018 at 09:37 by JUJU93 (florida)        

What I mean by sentria 4 is if you look at the machine from the nozzle to the 3 led lights, to the shape of the lower machine they look basically the same from sentria to present. whereas if you look at a gen 3 and compare it to a sentria or ultimate G, you can see the differents in terms of headlights, belt lifter, em-tor ect. I mean they couldve added more led lights or change the shape of the belt lifter. I mean at lease they did away with the chrome style with this new model (wonder why that is?).

Post# 389942 , Reply# 124   4/6/2018 at 10:45 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Simple, it's all about dollars and cents and omitting the chrome probably costs less. I mean yes, there are differences between the Generation series and the Sentria, but really not all that much. I'm sure that big cutout in the handle saves Kirby a lot of money in aluminum.

Post# 389945 , Reply# 125   4/6/2018 at 11:46 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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It's nothing new. Other than color schemes, the G3 and G4 were essentially the same machine with a little tweak on the transmission between the two. The G5, G6 and G7 (Ultimate) were all the same except for a change in the emptor design between the G5 and G6 and a redesigned outer bag between the G6 and G7. And yeah, there was that short-lived two-speed switch on the G7 Diamond. Kirby may be the "Hummer" of vacuum cleaners in terms of bulk and power, but their design philosophy is classic VW Beetle.

Post# 389953 , Reply# 126   4/6/2018 at 13:02 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
I agree with all of you

As it has been discussed in perpetuity. Kirby doesn't make many drastic design changes, in fact they have only done it twice in 100 years. They do ongoing updates and changes from different models, and refresh with color changes, pretty much some on this site did not witness the G3 introduction because they are too young.

I actually appreciate this about Kirby, rather than others, usually of the bagless designs, that change names, colors and models sometimes several times a year. By them doing that you can't find parts for a machine that is only a year old in some cases.

Then there are others that follow the same practice, and no one says a word. Hoover used to produce the same Convertible every year with minor internal changes and maybe a variety of colors available.

Filter Queen hasn't changed their basic shape or design since it's beginning. The Brand new right out of the box 2018 machine is basically the same as the model 31 in a different color.

There is a reason that Kirby and some of the other premium brands keep their proven machines, and only release them to the public after extensive testing. They do their own testing rather than having the consumer do it for them. You can pretty much go back to some of the very early Kirby models and still find repair parts. Try doing that with the most current Dyson.



Post# 390030 , Reply# 127   4/7/2018 at 02:51 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Waiting on my Blue avalir-supposed to be delivered sometime this week from Raleigh.There are no other Kirby dealers in the area.

Post# 390044 , Reply# 128   4/7/2018 at 09:16 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        
Tolivac

Cool. Whenever you get a chance to look at the motor. Could you please check if itís really brushless or not please? I am honestly wondering if that is true or not.

Post# 390110 , Reply# 129   4/8/2018 at 01:52 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

that's got me wondering to-will have to see when it comes.The sales rep works Raleigh and Atlanta.He used to serve Greenville years ago.Despite the waits he treats me well-he says besides my Kirbys--the new Blue Black one and the red trimmed one.He was also going to let me pick thru his trade in pile.

Post# 390118 , Reply# 130   4/8/2018 at 07:55 by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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If it's brushless, then that would be worth it. It would also justify a new model number, such as G11. On a separate note, I never got what the D or E after a Kirby model number meant. I remember seeing a G3 with the newer style handle tilt latch.
That one was a G3D.


Post# 390125 , Reply# 131   4/8/2018 at 08:39 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
coming out with new models

I don't like uprights so have no interest in getting a Kirby, but having said that, I like their approach to new models. Newer is not always better, look at how poorly made many vacuums are now compared to several years ago. To come out with a new model just for the sake of calling it a new model is not a good enough reason. I think Kirby and other high end manufacturers take the approach that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I know companies like Rainbow, Sirena, Hyla, ETC. also do not introduce new models every year. When you have a design that works, stick with it.
Mike


Post# 390139 , Reply# 132   4/8/2018 at 13:04 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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That philosophy can only work for so long. When you consider Kirby got 20 years out of their Classic line, and the Generation series is going on TWENTY EIGHT years, I'd say a redesign is overdue. Until I'm proven wrong (and in this case I hope I am) Kirby is gonna milk the Generation series chassis until they go out of business....

Post# 390167 , Reply# 133   4/8/2018 at 21:41 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Ok im confused. Is there or is there not something new with this unit. If so is it internal or external (like inside the machine or outside, other than the color)?



I am a die heart kirby fan too but the main things I would like KIRBY to work on is the acoustics and sound of its machines. I don't care about the weight as I live in a single story so lifting the unit would be rare for me. The reason I want the acoustics (sound level) worked on is because the machine is extremely loud when using it on hard surface floors. Its to the point where the neighbors have to be notified when using the machine because its so loud. I think if KIRBY was to keep making their machines floor friendly they should also take into account the acoustics of there machine.

While we're on the topic of floor friendly. I think the MSSS shouldn't be big and bulky. I say this because when u put the tank and nozzle on you are packing on more body mass to it, which would make it harder to get the system into hard to reach areas. Because if you think of it you can't really get into hard to reach areas with the MSSS. I also think KIRBY should come up with a tool or system that can allow you to clean flooring thats stairs.

But back to the main point of this post.... What is really new with this unit????


Post# 390168 , Reply# 134   4/8/2018 at 21:44 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

I think the ones in the know at Kirby remembers the Royal Powercast. People say they want new, and redesigned. But do they? Do they really . .

Post# 390170 , Reply# 135   4/8/2018 at 22:01 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I would say that after 28 years YES they do. Tell me this if you will - what other consumer product do you know of that has remained pretty much unchanged since 1990?! Maybe Filter Queen? Aerus Electrolux and Rainbow have totally redesigned their machines since then. I expected something great when I saw the prototype drawings of the Avalir. The final product was just another warmed over Generation 3.

Post# 390171 , Reply# 136   4/8/2018 at 22:39 by broomvac (N/A)        

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I am doubtful that it is brushless.

Brushless motors require DC to work, I believe, unless they are induction motors. An induction motor small enough to fit inside a Kirby will not be powerful enough to do the job.

Wall outlets obviously put out AC. If I am correct, brushless vacuums such as the Rainbow or the Dyson DC49 (both corded vacuums) carry an AC to DC power supply on board to provide the brushless motor with DC.

Other brushless vacuums (Dyson hand vacuums with the digital motor) are simply cordless. Batteries provide DC.

The Avalir 2 is presumably corded. I can tell you from opening up plenty of G-series Kirbys that there is no room to store or cool a big, hot AC to DC power supply inside the unit.

I really do hope you all prove me wrong. A brushless Kirby would be a truly terrific thing. However, I am fearful the Avalir 2 will be brushed.


Post# 390185 , Reply# 137   4/9/2018 at 09:11 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
brushless motors

Yes, brushless motors usually require D.C. Therefore they require some kind of power supply usually in the form of a circuit board to power them.
Mike


Post# 390190 , Reply# 138   4/9/2018 at 13:02 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
I don't understand all the hype...

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I was an engineer before I retired and I can say that although I have not yet seen a Blue Avalir, I would be willing to bet my next Pension check that it does NOT have a brushless motor in it. A brushless motor small enough to fit inside the current G series power plant wound not have enough torque to spin the 5 inch diameter fan at 13,000 to 16,000 RPM and to also drive the brushroll at the same time.

 

As said previously, Brushless motors require a circuit board to convert AC to DC and to provide high frequency DC pulses to determine the motor's RPM. Brushless motors have low torque suitable to drive a small impeller at very high RPM like in Dyson's V6, V8, and V10 cordless cleaners.

 

The current Universal style motor used to power the Kirby is not only small but has very high torque and it runs on either AC or DC current. This is the perfect type of motor to power the Kirby.

 

To Oreck_XL: I don't think Kirby will be going out of business anytime soon. Kirby currently sells hundreds of thousands of machines a year worldwide because it is not just a vacuum cleaner but an entire home care system when you include the carpet shampoo and hard floor washing and mopping system. Why do you think Kirby co needs to redesign the entire system when the current system works so well for hndreds of thousands of households worldwide?

 

 


Post# 390197 , Reply# 139   4/9/2018 at 13:51 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Because even the lay person trading in say a G4 is gonna realize in terms of aesthetics the machine hasn't changed much at all. Locally speaking Kirby is NOT doing well, as there are only 3 distributors left in the New York area. Many have already closed and I don't hear of any new ones. It's a very dated design and the Tech Drive added unnecessary bulk. Again, I hope I'm wrong but how long can Kirby pass off the same old S#&% on customers? Twenty eight years is long enough.

Post# 390202 , Reply# 140   4/9/2018 at 14:50 by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Imaging being a Kirby designer.

Can you think of a more boring job than that? 😰


Post# 390203 , Reply# 141   4/9/2018 at 14:52 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        
Add to my last

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It's not a perfect machine - never was. There were some things about it's predecessor the Legend II that were actually better like the smaller front nozzle (aka "Granny head"). Unless I can obtain a pre-war model with the original black bag at a FAIR price I have no burning desire to add any more Kirbys to my collection.

Post# 390206 , Reply# 142   4/9/2018 at 15:07 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Oreck_XL

Dude, Chill.
If you don't like Kirby, ok, that is your prerogative. Move on.


Post# 390213 , Reply# 143   4/9/2018 at 15:44 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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That's just it though, I do. I'm just very disenchanted with the new Avalir 2. I was excited as anyone when I saw the Generation 3 for the first time, and the G4, G5 and so on. I just expected a total redesign from Kirby by now....

Post# 390219 , Reply# 144   4/9/2018 at 16:33 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Volkswagen built the original Type I Beetle for 65 years from 1936-2003, so Kirby's got a ways to go yet to beat that record.

Post# 390235 , Reply# 145   4/9/2018 at 22:13 by JUJU93 (florida)        

So can anyone who already has the new avalir2, can someone post the dvd or at lease clips of it for us to view?The only reason why Im interested in the dvd/vhs is because of the camera work and the editing and adding in the title screens for each new chapter, not to mentioned the music they add in. What I would like to know is how far in advance do the owners manual (dvd/vhs (older generations) get taped/produce prior to the production/release date of each new unit. Like for example the AVALIR was release in October of 2014, how far in advance was the manual taped?

Post# 390243 , Reply# 146   4/10/2018 at 00:32 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

DVD videos are no longer provided with Kirby vacuums-My first Avalir had one-the later ones didn't.
Brushless motors-these now can have the same or even higher torque than universal motors and over a wider speed range with newer electronics-but as pointed out the motor is larger and also has the circuit boards along with it.Would be a challenge to put that in the Kirbys.I have 2 lawn mowers cordless electric powered by brushless motors-these even have more torque than the gas ones they replaced.And you can get 60-80V cordless electric chainsaws that have similar brushless motors.and it takes torque to drag a saw chain thru thick wood!Same with circular saws-DeWalts new caordless circular saws have the brushless motors-another problem with them at present is their higher
cost.As time goes on think the cost of these will go down.And when we say brushless motors-do we mean switched reluctance or brushless DC-they are similar but not the same-the Brushless DC-the magnets are on the rotor rather than the stator as on brushed PM DC motors.And when you spin a Brushless DC motor by hand you feel a "cogging" effect.The SR motor turns smoothly-with almost no resistance.-and no brush sounds.


Post# 390256 , Reply# 147   4/10/2018 at 11:06 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Why does everybody keep bringing up this brushless motor. And I don't believe KIRBY would stop making the dvd's for their systems, especially since a lot of people don't read the printed format, because they probably want to see it in live action in a home setting. Also if KIRBY did come up with a brushless motor then it would be mentioned somewhere in the manual, as the motor is the key feature of how the system operates. I would hope they continue to make dvd videos for their new models, even if they come out with new features, such as brushrolls, tools, ect. And most certainly if they do a complete redisign then they would most certainly have to come up with a dvd demonstration video.

Post# 390262 , Reply# 148   4/10/2018 at 12:37 by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

I found out from another collector that it is not brushless.
Itís still the same exact machine.


Post# 390274 , Reply# 149   4/10/2018 at 16:18 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I think most of the VHS and DVD content is now available through YouTube and while they're great to watch, there's really not much need to own a physical copy unless you just really want one for the sake of completeness. Due to the incremental nature of changes between models, you could watch any Kirby product video going back at least to the G5 and learn pretty much everything you need to know about using an Avalir, save for its updated shampooer. The smart thing for Kirby to do to reduce video production costs would be to archive the existing videos on their Web site and then produce supplemental videos for items with specific changes for new models.

Post# 390305 , Reply# 150   4/10/2018 at 22:03 by JUJU93 (florida)        

What I even notice during the avalir's owners manual is that it mentioned a "floor care system", however there was no "floor care system" produce fot this model. Another thing I noticed was the avalir dvd did not mentioned the miracle shine kit, which Kirby could've added anytime during production of the dvd, or another scenario would be to upload a separate video demonstrating how to use it. Another thing kirby didn't do a good job presenting was the tile and grout kit. I believe it was mentioned for 30 seconds on what it was and what its used for, It just wasn't mentioned long enough.

What I've noticed is that when KIRBY updates their website with each new model they also update the videos that way it matches the new model thats being presented. If this is the case I hope the avalir2 has a dvd for us to view.

Because lets be honest no one who purchases a KIRBY unit reads the manual (rather their new to kirby or not), they rather watch the dvd because most people want a live action demonstration (rather than door-to-door people) to see how the unit functions in an in home use.


Post# 390317 , Reply# 151   4/11/2018 at 02:14 by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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The last floor care system was for the Sentria II, that I know of. You can find them at Goodvac.com

or Ebay. I use the carpet fluffer to raise the nap on my carpet which is now about 7 years old. Does

a great job. Also I might add that since the new stiffer brush rolls, it is not as necessary to do this

as often.

 

 

PR-21

Bud


Post# 390401 , Reply# 152   4/12/2018 at 13:25 by JUJU93 (florida)        

If the last floor care system was for the sentria II, then why did kirby have one mentioned in the AVALIR's dvd?

Post# 390420 , Reply# 153   4/12/2018 at 20:31 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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It's possible the DVD could have been produced before the decision to discontinue the floor care system was made.

Post# 390435 , Reply# 154   4/13/2018 at 09:04 by JUJU93 (florida)        

I kind of want KIRBY to come out with a baby blue model with white accent pieces and hopefully re-release the handi butler tool (sentria version).

Post# 390436 , Reply# 155   4/13/2018 at 10:07 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Are you guys saying that the Avalir no longer has a Floor Care / Shampoo System available as an option? Why would it have been discontinued?

 

 


Post# 390439 , Reply# 156   4/13/2018 at 12:18 by JUJU93 (florida)        

They still have the Multi Surface Shampoo System, which has a brush kit (the miracle shine kit) that basically does the same thing as the Floor Care System, therefor the floor care system isn't needed anymore. I mean hey thats all I can think of. And the miracle shine kit takes up less space than the floor care system.

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Post# 390441 , Reply# 158   4/13/2018 at 14:27 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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It's officially released as video are on the Kirby YouTube channel.


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Post# 390442 , Reply# 159   4/13/2018 at 15:20 by JUJU93 (florida)        

yyyyaaasss!! I like it more now that i see it in action in an launch video. Part of me thinks from 0:19- 0:28 seconds is clips from the owners manual. But they done uploaded many more videos long with this launch video.

Post# 390464 , Reply# 160   4/13/2018 at 22:51 by JUJU93 (florida)        

So does anyone else have this new unit? If so can you tell us whats new with this model. I love the blue accent pieces and wording on the attachments. To me it looks better than the red accent pieces and words on the previous model. I do hope that those "how to videos" are just abreviated from what will actually get posted. In one of the how to videos for the msss it shows the shampoo system with a blue dial and blue elbow hose, but in the launch video it shows the grey (which is irrevant to anything avalir related). Also the videos that deals with the ms3 only shows how to install the brushrolls and not how to use the system, which is great but how do you use the solutions and steps to use it. Also they made a mistake when it came to the how to videos for the portable shampooer and portable sprayer. They had it set up in a canister mode, which to use this tool it has to be used in the blower mode. I think the launch videos look nice but I think it needs to have less people interacting on the floor and more presenting of the new unit.

Post# 390544 , Reply# 161   4/15/2018 at 22:10 by brycerivers (Atlanta,GA,30273,United States)        
Avalir in blue preety much

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I like the current platfrom of Kirbies but the last "major" inovation was the new "polymer" fan on the G5.

Post# 390547 , Reply# 162   4/16/2018 at 05:26 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

I don't think people "buy" Kirbys. People "get sold" Kirbys. I remember when my Mom bought hers 18 years ago. The salesman made it look so easy and wonderful. They always do. Within 6 months or less of ownership, we were already tired of having to bend over and take the head off to use the hose. We also quickly discovered your ears would ring when you used it and that it was horrendously heavy. The Tech Drive switch broke off about 5 years ago and there is no Kirby place nearby to have it repaired. Thankfully it broke while it was in the "on" mode or we wouldn't have kept it. I just don't like Kirby's 1950's era technology and engineering. I know many love them, and I do find that it does clean well. They need a to have a revolution in engineering and find a way to keep the best aspects of Kirby performance and make it more easy to use. Perhaps enclose the bag in a hard cover so they can add a final filter. Perhaps have a permanently attached hose on board too that has a toe-operated lever to open and close the airflow to the floorhead. There are things they could do if they just thought outside the box. I feel as long as they can convince new people that using it "isn't as bad as they say" (which were the exact words the salesman used on my Mom) they will keep the status quo.

I will humbly decline to buy one.


Post# 390548 , Reply# 163   4/16/2018 at 06:21 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I "buy" Kirbys because I like them.I DON'T want one with the hose on board-then it gets too clunky and more awkward.Since Kirby now uses the synthetic non woven bags-and outer filter isn't required.The cloth outer bag is fine.I get "0" particle count on my IQ Air particle counter.You do get conts on the motor exhaust on the base-that would be carbon dust.No one is really concerned about that.I don't use the hose with my Kirby for the most part-have canister vacuums for that.Again hose on board uprights are awkward for me-and using the upright this way is like dancing with a drunk!Too-there is the concern of picking up a coin or large pebble in the Kirby hose mode busting your fan-it is running at higher speed than in the carpet-floor nozzle mode.Kirby should put a chamber or trap in the hose attachment so large items don't get in the fan.Light stuff would go thru the fan and in the bag as usual.The NSS M1 works in this way.One of the few direct air canisters out there besides the Kirby in the hose mode.

Post# 390550 , Reply# 164   4/16/2018 at 09:21 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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@electromatik: I like my Kirbys but I can understand the concern about weight. It's not much of an issue for me now since my house has only one floor but when I last lived on two floors, back before I lost my mind, I only had two vacuums, a Gsix and an Electrolux 1205. The Kirby stayed downstairs and the Electrolux stayed upstairs. You can probably guess which one I used on the steps themselves. Tech Drive pedals are readily available on eBay and easy to replace with minimal screwdriver skills. No service center required; in fact, that's one of the things I love most about these metal monsters is their old school design. They're actually intended to be worked on and thus to have a long useful life. I absolutely despise the way that most modern appliances are designed to be thrown away and replaced after a relatively short period of time.

Post# 390556 , Reply# 165   4/16/2018 at 10:17 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I agree with Human 100%. I couldn't have said it any better!

 

A Versatile, Tough, Rugged, Excellent cleaning machine. That's what Kirby is known for.

 

 

 

 


Post# 390573 , Reply# 166   4/16/2018 at 20:40 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
@human

Thanks for that info about the TechDrive pedal. I will see if I can find a video on how to repair that and I will order a new one from Kirby. Mom doesn't like the machine because it is too heavy for her and she has trouble bending over now. She has a lot of fabrics to clean so she needs a hose. When she gets a new one I will take over ownership of the Kirby. I don't want to get rid of it because it is the only Kirby in my family.

Post# 390590 , Reply# 167   4/17/2018 at 04:14 by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Goodvac.com has them and a how to install on their website. I installed one on a Gsix not to long ago.

I am not mechanical, but it was pretty simple. Depending on which model you have you may need a

torx screw driver along with a phillips.....

 

PR-21

Bud


Post# 390600 , Reply# 168   4/17/2018 at 09:58 by Crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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I see the Avalir 2 as the fourth cleaner in the Avalir line.

1st version - This was the 100th Anniversary edition released in 2014. It had the special 100th badge on the handle.

2nd version - This is the same cleaner as the last one, but it no longer bears the 100th badge on the handle

3rd version - This version changed out some of the black trim for red trim.

4th version - The Avalir 2 with the blue trim.


Post# 390602 , Reply# 169   4/17/2018 at 10:36 by JUJU93 (florida)        

yeah but theres gotta be more to it other than a color trim change for it to even be a new model.

Post# 390609 , Reply# 170   4/17/2018 at 13:26 by Crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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None of them are new models. They are revisions. Kirby did the same thing with the Heritage II. First, they trimmed the "wings" off of the nozzle. Then, they made minor modifications o the motor housing. Then, they added the BPI light. After that, Kirby released the Heritage II Legend, which was basically the Heritage II with slight internal changes and a different handle sticker. After that, they released the Legend II, which was the same as the Heritage II Legend, except for it's red color and the redesigned G3 style tools. I consider all of these machines listed here to be part of the Heritage II line. The differences between Heritage II, Heritage II Legend and Legend II are not significant enough, in my mind, for them to all be separate models. Besides, all of those machines were still referred to as "Model H2" on their information stickers.

Post# 390620 , Reply# 171   4/17/2018 at 15:50 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Now that I think of it why did KIRBY decide to release a "new model". I mean hey they had the sentria in production for 6 years (2006-2012) they couldve done the same with the avalir and then came out with a "new redisign" in 2020. They are probably following the 80s timeline. like what i mean is they release the H2 in 1984 and then H2/L2 in 1988/1989 and then G3 in 1990. Well thats probably whats happening here. I mean hey we got the Avalir in 2014 (which is hard to believe because it feels like it was just release within a year and a half ago) and now we have Avalir 2 in 2018 and then hopefully something in 2020. what im trying to line up is 1984 (h2)/ 2014 avalir and then 1988/1989 H2/L2 with the 2018 avalir2 and then G3 in 1990 with hopefully something to come in 2020. Also can anybody post more pics of this new unit, attachments, accessories ect.

k, thanks


Post# 390929 , Reply# 172   4/23/2018 at 21:25 by JUJU93 (florida)        
their website is finally updated

www.kirby.com/avalir-2-ho...


Post# 390943 , Reply# 173   4/24/2018 at 03:23 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

According to the new Kirby Avalir2 website we must live like reptiles--crawling around on the ground or floor!Didn't know this until now.My Avalir2 is supposed to arrive on Wednesday on UPS-hope it survives their baggage smasher!!The dealer decided to ship it since he is tangled up in getting problems solved in a bad car wreck where a drunk driver hit him.glad Brian is OK.

Post# 390944 , Reply# 174   4/24/2018 at 03:58 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Direct air motor filters-Yes,the tandem air Tacony built vacuums do have a filter on the direct air cooling exhaust on the primary fan-roller brush motor.and direct air motors are FULL bypass the cooling air for the motor is derived from a separate fan that only cools the motor.The suction fan is in its own fancase.This same thing is used in Wet-Dry vacuums so moisture can't get into the motor.When I bought a used Simplicity Synergy vacuum-it was traded in on a new one-The vacuum REEKED of DOG-like a whole dog was in the vacuum--replaced ALL of the filters-the inner bag compartment filter-the direct air motor filter and the HEPA exhaust filter-where most of the dog funk must have been-the vacuum was fine!!!It has the dirt meter indicator lights like the Riccar Radiance.Will see how this compares when Avalir2 comes!!Have the Kirby dirtmeters you use with the filter discs.For the Riccar-Simplicity vacuums the filters come as a kit that you replace all of them.And also vacuumed out and wiped out the bag cavity.The bag compartment was unusually dusty-figured the former owner didn't put the bags in right.

Post# 391189 , Reply# 175   4/28/2018 at 02:44 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Avalir2 is here-Was delivered by Brian on Wednesday afternoon.The new tool caddy is a joke-the tools are merely dumpted in the cloth bag like case.No space for larger tools like the Zippbrush or turbo tool.And no place for the wands and hose-the old kaddy could do those things.The Avalir2 still has the universal motor.It is just a little quieter than previous machines.NOTE-after using the simplicity Synergy-did get some dirt with the new Kirby-of course its due to that rule of physics----NO vacuum cleaner is perfect!If someone truly came up with a perfect vacuum cleaner that removed ALL of the dirt in place an one session-he would indeed be a RICH man!

Post# 391196 , Reply# 176   4/28/2018 at 08:49 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Thanks Rex!

Thank for confirming the motor rumor. It sounded a little.....strange that they'd be using a brushless motor. There's really nothing wrong with Kirby's standard motor.

Post# 391597 , Reply# 177   5/6/2018 at 12:54 by cibibikeru (Europe)        

Apart from being "a little quieter" (noise is actually my main concern with Avalir), are there any other improvements over the original Avalir?

Post# 391623 , Reply# 178   5/7/2018 at 01:43 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

No.

Post# 391650 , Reply# 179   5/7/2018 at 20:16 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

I don't mean to change the subject, but does anyone know what happened to the user kirbyloverdan?? Haven't seen him in a long time. Thanks.

Post# 391656 , Reply# 180   5/7/2018 at 21:46 by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Awww

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Iím still here busy and very happy life thanx for thinking about me 😬

Post# 391697 , Reply# 181   5/8/2018 at 16:49 by Adambomb (Undisclosed )        
Fairfax 88

My new Kirby Avalir 2 has carbon brushes. I'm pretty sure yours does too.

Post# 391756 , Reply# 182   5/9/2018 at 20:27 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

There you are Dan... I just have not seen you post around here much in a good while. haha

Post# 392169 , Reply# 183   5/21/2018 at 12:29 by sopranojam85 (Austin, TX)        
Hard Floors

Looks like Kirby's website is really pushing the "no carpet? no problem" mantra with their hard floor cleaner attachments, but I'm still a little confused.

A few years back, I tried the newly-released Tile & Grout cleaner system on my G6, and I, and a few others posted a review here: www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

Is the new system for the Avalir any different, and if so, how?

Does the "Hard floor cleaner & brush roll" (seen here www.kirby.com/avalir-2-ho... )

tile and grout kit www.kirby.com/shop/tile-g...

and "miracle shine high gloss floor polish" www.kirby.com/shop/miracl... roll attach to the rug renovator tray, or what?

Has there been any improvement to these things?


Post# 392178 , Reply# 184   5/21/2018 at 16:28 by sopranojam85 (Austin, TX)        

I answered most of my own questions by reading the Avalir 2 manual. There is not much difference from how the tile/grout system worked on the G6. Same deal. That was an absolute mess, pain in the rear. Still have to use an old fashioned mop to clean the mess left behind.

Not to mention, I just replaced all of my carpet in my home with engineered bamboo hardwood floors. There's no way in heck you can convince me to spend that kind of money on a Kirby now. I use a Shark APEX DuoClean now, and am never going back. It's essentially a combination of the Kirby hard floor Pad, and miracle shine kit all in one. Plus it's lightweight enough that my wife can use it since as of now, I am recovering from a broken ankle. If a Kirby was still in this house, I'd never be able to use the Tech Drive, since all my carpet is long gone. And good riddance.


Post# 392877 , Reply# 185   6/5/2018 at 20:37 by rowdy141 (United Kingdom)        

There's such a small quantity of coloured detail.
Overall it's pretty-much neutral Graphite Grey.
I wonder whether Kirby are leaning towards interchangeable trim?
Perhaps to offer a choice of colour-scheme?


Post# 392885 , Reply# 186   6/6/2018 at 03:18 by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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A new handle fork, handle release button, tech drive pedal and new outer bag, will change

any Avalir into and Avalir 2......I hope Kirby is coming out with a complete model change soon!

 

PR-21

Bud


Post# 392894 , Reply# 187   6/6/2018 at 12:04 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Bud,

 

The Kirby Avalir performs too well to do a complete design change, so don't hold your breath!


Post# 392898 , Reply# 188   6/6/2018 at 13:12 by JUJU93 (florida)        

Id like to see an actual blue kirby and not just blue trim. Maybe if KIRBY made one of the sentrias/avalirs models completely blue maybe I would've gotten it. The shade of blue Im talking about is a baby blue color or lavender blue color. We know when KIRBY releases any model with a 2 in it, we know its gonna be a temporary model till something newer comes out. For example when the sentria 2 came out in 2012 it was only out for 2.5 years till the avalir came out.Then if we go further back in till till 1989 when the legend 2 came out, that particular unit was out for a year (according to timelines) till the Generation 3 was launch. I just hope they comes out with new accesories and on top of that and also a video owners manual. The fact that the AVALIR2 doesn't have one isn't all that ok with me. And from what I can tell KIRBY didnt even update the boxes for the tile and grout kit as well as the miracle shine kit. Like what I mean is they still show up as white and red (tile and grout kit box) and black and red (miracle shine kit box). What I'm trying to point out is that whenever KIRBY updates a model, even if its the same as the previous, they should also update the packaging on the accessory boxes.

Post# 392903 , Reply# 189   6/6/2018 at 13:24 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Get over the video...

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If the only difference between the two Avalir models is the color of the trim, there is little to justify the cost of producing a new video when all the substantive content would be the same. Same with the boxes. They may just have a surplus of boxes made up with the red color schemes and needed to use them up before re-ordering, at which time it would be cost effective to substitute blue for red in the print design.

Post# 393234 , Reply# 190   6/14/2018 at 21:41 by kirbyduh (Louisville, Kentucky)        
New brush roll?

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I noticed extra magnets on an Avalir 2 brushroll in an eBay auction. See the attached picture, where they are visible on either side of the center belt area. This may have already been included on older machines, but my sentria doesnít have them. I canít inagine that they would serve any kind of specific purpose.

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Post# 396120 , Reply# 191   8/3/2018 at 13:17 by Cibibikeru (Europe)        
Avalir 2

I just got the Avalir2, what is different from the red one:

Motor makes a little less noise but still noisy, itís ok with the main carpet attachment but still noisy with hose, maybe theíve also done some tweaking to the engine performance, I donít know.

They finally put some plastic part on the cooling exaust that used to blow air to te ground and spread whatever was in its way, now the air is redirected upwards instead of the floor.

Textile bag container is a little bigger, I donít know why.

Blue trim instead of red.

Matte black front round belt lever (old chrome plastic scratched easliy?)

Unit code is G10ECO

I donít remember if the black protection band around the lid and main unit was rubber or plastic but this is hard plastic.


Post# 396124 , Reply# 192   8/3/2018 at 13:28 by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
cibibikeru,

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have you had any Kirby's before this one? if not, what tipped you towards buying it? ( I'm a Kirby fan, so just interested to know what 'grabbed ya')

Post# 396163 , Reply# 193   8/4/2018 at 00:35 by Cibibikeru (Europe)        

I had the red avalir before it, I bought during a presentation, I was against it (the price), I wanted to do a little research before buying but my wife god sold when she saw the white carpets come to life. After I started researching, I realized it was the only device on the market that could celan the bed mattress and the best/only vacuum for cleaning and washing carpets without professional help and without moving them. I have white carpet floors in 2 bedrooms and another 3 carpets in the house. To be honest, at first I was thinking of returnig it and buy it later second hand from someone but I kept it, payment plan is ok and I got free Avalir 2 upgarde, serial number is in their database, I have service for life and upgrade possibility. I also have a Miele C3 which I kept for the ease of use and low noise, I only use the Kirby for carpets and bed mattress and sometimes deep cleaning of pillows, sofa, walls etc.
In my opinion, itís worth buying a cheap secondhand unit and having it as a secondary industrial/ deep cleaner for carpets/bed but not as daily use.
Now I am sure there is no other way to have carpetfloors and carpets cleaner than this (bed mattress too)


Post# 396266 , Reply# 194   8/5/2018 at 10:40 by mariotron (Texas )        
@Cibibikeru

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When you said textile bag container did you mean the outer bag? If so that's a big plus for me since the G series has small bags then the classic


Post# 396267 , Reply# 195   8/5/2018 at 11:16 by Cibibikeru (Europe)        
@mariotron

Yes, the outerbag is bigger but the dustbags are the same, I use the latest Allergen Plus 9liter bags (white with red print) that are suposed to meet HEPA13 level, although nothing official. For maximum efficiency, they need to be replaced when half full, they have a red line printed.

I also found the reason for the bigger outerbag, they introduced a ďmufflerĒ inside the outerbag, itís a plastic tank of some kind, I think itís for noise reduction. Everything passes through this muffler and then inside the bag.


Post# 396307 , Reply# 196   8/6/2018 at 01:04 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

No plastic "tank" in my Avalir 2-are they referring to the Mini-emptor?These are getting SMALLER as time goes by.

Post# 396311 , Reply# 197   8/6/2018 at 04:40 by Cibibikeru (Europe)        
Muffler

You can see the muffler as part 5 in the diagram from UK user manual, I didnít see it in the US manual.

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Post# 396312 , Reply# 198   8/6/2018 at 06:13 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

So its not referring to the emptor-but a separate part-no the US Avalirs don't have that "muffler" part.Guess this to meet the UK noise standards?




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