Thread Number: 35988
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Post# 385882   2/12/2018 at 09:07 (2,237 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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I saw this on Facebook. It appears to be an Avalir with blue on it, and a huge blue K on the bag. The box also has the blue K, as well as Avalir 2 on it.
Is this actually a new Kirby model? Obviously another color change though.
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Post# 385883 , Reply# 1   2/12/2018 at 09:16 (2,237 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)   |   | |
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Post# 385889 , Reply# 3   2/12/2018 at 11:09 (2,236 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 385892 , Reply# 4   2/12/2018 at 11:50 (2,236 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 385895 , Reply# 5   2/12/2018 at 12:33 (2,236 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 385896 , Reply# 6   2/12/2018 at 12:44 (2,236 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 385897 , Reply# 7   2/12/2018 at 13:09 (2,236 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 385907 , Reply# 8   2/12/2018 at 14:30 (2,236 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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It's really getting sad now. Kirby's duping customers into buying a warmed over 28 year old vacuum. Guaranteed now we won't see a complete redesign until 2020. They probably have so many excess castings of G-series aluminum they've EXHAUSTED how many different ways to dress it up. I say Kirby needs to come out with a completely redesigned machine ASAP or go out of business.
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Post# 385908 , Reply# 9   2/12/2018 at 14:48 (2,236 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 385909 , Reply# 10   2/12/2018 at 15:26 (2,236 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 385912 , Reply# 11   2/12/2018 at 17:04 (2,236 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Kirby definitely takes the 'VW Beetle' approach to vacuum cleaner design but they do build an excellent product. It truly is one of the last vacuum cleaners left that you can literally buy for a lifetime. Some may argue that you pay for a lifetime, but when used with reasonable care, one can expect the thing to last for several decades and thus offer a better total cost of ownership proposition than buying a new $69 plasticrap machine at Wally World every year or two. It would be interesting to know how many tons of plastic each Kirby keeps out of the landfills, versus buying plasticrap vacs. Now THAT would make a good marketing campaign--Kirby as an environmentally friendly vacuum cleaner choice. Of course, they'd have to come up with a green color scheme to go with it.
What Kirby really needs to redesign is the way they sell their wares. I have never and will never let a Kirby sales goon on my property, much less inside my home. And why would I, especially when you can skip the strong-arm sales tactics and get one second hand in like-new condition for pennies on the dollar? In some ways, Kirby's biggest competition is the second-hand market for its products. |
Post# 385913 , Reply# 12   2/12/2018 at 17:14 (2,236 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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So wouldn't that be even MORE of an incentive to want to redesign their machine from the ground up? I would never want the new model to be devoid of aluminum, but 28 years of old hat is too long. Even the lay person trading in say a G6 is gonna realize at least aesthetically there's little difference from their machine and the current model.
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Post# 385917 , Reply# 13   2/12/2018 at 18:55 (2,236 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Kirby needs to get with the times, the door to door sales method is dated and annoying. I have no idea how Kirby has actually stayed in business this long, they DO make a good reliable product with a TON of parts available for it, but IMO everything else about them is negative. They have had so many lawsuits against them and their distributors its unreal, they have literally been BANNED from selling in some counties in the states. Such a shame really. They could easily cut the price on their machines to something reasonable and sell thru vacuum shops... instead of hosing senior citizens and poor people into 30% apr loans on them, just insane.
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Post# 385922 , Reply# 16   2/12/2018 at 22:24 (2,236 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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I just threw out 2020 as a guess because another variation seems to come out about every 2 years. Judging by what Kirby seems to be doing (or rather what they aren't), I don't think we'll ever see another all-new design. It SHOULD'VE made its debut in 2010 (when the G-series line was already 20 years old). Even 2014 would've been okay to coincide with Scott & Fetzer's centennial.
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Post# 385923 , Reply# 17   2/12/2018 at 22:40 (2,236 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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I just wanna see some more pics of this new kirby. Hopefully the owners manual (dvd) mentions a more detailed instructions on how to use the tile and grout kit as well as the miracle shine kit (which was't mentioned in the previous one) |
Post# 385936 , Reply# 18   2/13/2018 at 09:37 (2,236 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Post# 385941 , Reply# 19   2/13/2018 at 10:05 (2,235 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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I just wanna see some more pics of it |
Post# 385948 , Reply# 20   2/13/2018 at 11:53 (2,235 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Nothing new from the Kirby.
This is why I bought the Gsix. I paid 200 euros for it, but it was completely reconditioned. I just upgraded the brushroll to the stiff one. I also use Hepa bags. It works like a dream and there is no way I will be buying the never model. Yes the Avalir 2 looks very good, but the real improvements are minor.
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Post# 385965 , Reply# 21   2/13/2018 at 15:21 (2,235 days old) by Reo580 (Holland, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 385973 , Reply# 22   2/13/2018 at 17:46 (2,235 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)   |   | |
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Just sad. Whatever happened to the all new Kirby that appeared on here in blue print form from a member that worked in a patent office? I had even heard prototypes were put into test markets? Things have been made up before and posted here...just sayin'. |
Post# 385976 , Reply# 23   2/13/2018 at 18:13 (2,235 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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I also agree that this reminds me of a Tradtion but I also think that this reminds me of a G4 since I thought those were blue when I was little lol. However though, I don't like the logo on the bag. Overall I think I like the red color and the bag logo on the other Avalir better, it reminds me of a Heritage II and that's my favorite Kirby of all time. I hope one of these days, I would like to see a Avalir or another Kirby that's green again because that's my favorite color on a vacuum lol.
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Post# 385986 , Reply# 25   2/13/2018 at 20:02 (2,235 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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For wood and hard surface I just use a microfiber mop with Kirby's Hard Surface Floor Cleaner. It does a great job and dries quickly. I just mop backwards out of each room, and throw the mop pad in the laundry when done. Microfibertech, has really nice mops and pads.
I do have the Avalir system but don't like it for mopping. It doesn't get into tight spaces and the instructions say you need to have a cloth handy to mop up excess liquid, who wants to do that? I do however think it does a good job at shampooing.
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Post# 385999 , Reply# 26   2/13/2018 at 21:19 (2,235 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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release the pics of the new kirby please |
Post# 386002 , Reply# 27   2/13/2018 at 21:29 (2,235 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Yes, the differences in the various G-series Kribys have been extremely minor other than cosmetics. Here's a rundown of the functional (not purely cosmetic) improvements from one model to the next that I'm aware of:
G3=>G4: Improved Tech Drive G4=>G5: Brush roll status light moved to the opposite side of the brush roll for no apparent reason; bag redesigned G5=>G6: lower profile, rounded emptor introduced, supposedly less susceptible to impact damage; Micron filter bags introduced G6=>Ultimate G: outer bag redesigned with curved zipper for easier access; rounded bag topper introduced Ultimate G=>Ultimate G Diamond Edition: Two-speed switch introduced for this model only. Ultimate G Diamond Edition =>Sentria: More ergonomic, lighter weight (and more fragile) handle design; LED headlight; improved brush roll introduced; optional delicate brush roll introduced; larger rubber bumper on the nozzle Sentria=>Sentria 2: Mini emptor introduced offering improved air flow Sentria 2=>Avalir: Improved shampoo system introduced. Handle redesigned, perhaps to save weight. Other than that, my understanding is the 'guts' of a G3 are pretty much identical to those of an Avalir. |
Post# 386027 , Reply# 29   2/14/2018 at 03:14 (2,235 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Wouldn't the "Avalir 2" be the one that has the red wheels and bag topper?Then the blue one the "Avalir3"?That blue one just looks weird.Like the black-red better. |
Post# 386135 , Reply# 31   2/15/2018 at 12:47 (2,233 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 386138 , Reply# 33   2/15/2018 at 13:58 (2,233 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 386187 , Reply# 34   2/16/2018 at 00:52 (2,233 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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Whatever it is, that may be a pre-production model which is different from what we finally get. The pictures clearly aren’t professional, Kirby certainly hasn’t said anything about this new model yet, and IMO the vacuum in the picture does not look like a finished product. It looks to me like it could be a mashup of new blue parts and current black Avalir parts. I’m having a hard time believing that they would release a new model whose plastic pieces don’t all match. Then again, look at the current Avalir...
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Post# 386197 , Reply# 35   2/16/2018 at 06:48 (2,233 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)   |   | |
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I suppose when Kirby executes an on/off brush roll switch for hard wood floors I may consider one. Also needs a lifetime belt. |
Post# 386204 , Reply# 37   2/16/2018 at 08:51 (2,233 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.
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Post# 386223 , Reply# 38   2/16/2018 at 11:58 (2,232 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I agree with human 100%.
I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.
I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.
Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.
Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.
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Post# 386225 , Reply# 39   2/16/2018 at 12:15 (2,232 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 386227 , Reply# 40   2/16/2018 at 13:16 (2,232 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Locally speaking, Kirby is NOT in good health. In the New York area, there are only 3 distributors left and I hear nothing about new ones opening up. The Generation platform is NOT a perfect one and after 28 years of warmed over models, a change is desperately needed. Other than some slight cosmetic changes I really have no desire for the Avalir 2 over my Generation 3. Wacky graphics and bright colors are not what's going to sell new machines. In the next 5 years Kirby, Filter Queen and Aerus may all have bit the dust....
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Post# 386452 , Reply# 43   2/20/2018 at 16:00 (2,228 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 386504 , Reply# 44   2/21/2018 at 11:41 (2,227 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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Hey has anyone heard anything about the "avalir 2" **cough cough sentria 4** on its release date or any other information. Also can anyone post the link to the facebook page that this was first discovered? |
Post# 386627 , Reply# 46   2/23/2018 at 12:39 (2,225 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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Post# 388059 , Reply# 50   3/14/2018 at 16:52 (2,206 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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Adam Mercer posted on his Instagram recently a better picture of the Avalir 2. I will post it on here for all you to see. So this isn’t my picture either.
Credit goes to Adam for posting it. |
Post# 388087 , Reply# 53   3/15/2018 at 01:37 (2,206 days old) by keither (California )   |   | |
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Post# 388889 , Reply# 61   3/24/2018 at 01:44 (2,197 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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They won't be able to sell the new model in EU countries if they haven't reduced the noise level as it goes way above the permitted maximum of 80db. The EU rating label shown here is right at the back of the UK instruction book.
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Post# 388893 , Reply# 62   3/24/2018 at 03:10 (2,197 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 388898 , Reply# 64   3/24/2018 at 03:21 (2,197 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 388907 , Reply# 65   3/24/2018 at 04:44 (2,197 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389011 , Reply# 66   3/25/2018 at 09:37 (2,196 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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Post# 389089 , Reply# 69   3/26/2018 at 11:23 (2,194 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Patrick,
It is not possible to put a filter on the air vent on the side of the Kirby G series vacuums. This vent allows hot air from the motor's cooling fan to escape from the motor compartment. If the air escaping from this vent is restricted by any type of filter, the motor will soon overheat. I know of at least 3 people that have tried this only to burn out the motor in their Kirby's.
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Post# 389090 , Reply# 70   3/26/2018 at 11:23 (2,194 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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I really hope it's blue it would be a nice throw back to tradition. Oh and I don't blame you for liking the SenII. The color schemes remind me of 60s (maybe 70s) Eurekas.
I don't know what going with the EU rating either. My Diamond editons easily picks up litter from a distance off my hard floors and lifts up my entire rug and gets all the carpet powder out even when the bag is nearly full. |
Post# 389096 , Reply# 71   3/26/2018 at 11:54 (2,194 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Patrick they need to do something about the carbon emissions. I know the Tandem air cleaners have a carbon filter and the new Sebo X7 has a much better exhaust filter now.
I don't agree with a C rating either and the MD of Kirby UK certainly doesn't either from the tone of his voice when I spoke to him 😁 Maybe they didn't adjust the floorhead properly. Kirby should ask for a retest and for a Kirby rep to be present to ensure it's set up correctly. |
Post# 389116 , Reply# 73   3/26/2018 at 15:35 (2,194 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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Post# 389125 , Reply# 74   3/26/2018 at 19:09 (2,194 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Don't try & tell me one couldn't put a filter on the Kirby's motor air vent! That's total BS. When you say three people tried it & killed the motor on their Kirby, the key is they did it homemade, it was NOT something engineered into the vacuum's entire system. The fact that Sebo has done it with the X Series uprights for a LONG time now, & Tacony has done it with the Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air uprights, is proof it can be done if some thought is put into the engineering & executed properly.
I completely agree with Marcus in reply 71 that Kirby needs to do something about it IMMEDIATELY. It's just not acceptable anymore for a vacuum to not have any sort of exhaust filtration, even if it's just a micro filter. Consumers are demanding it now, even if they aren't allergy sufferers. It may just be carbon dust emissions, but it's not modern for a vacuum not to have a exhaust filter & it's a very valid reason for a consumer to say "no" to the Kirby when they have a presentation in their home. I think if Kirby put a filter similar to Miele's Super Air Clean filter material that comes with their bags, I think something like that would provide adequate exhaust filtration for the carbon dust, & not be so restrictive as to cause a problem with the motor, as long as it was changed regularly with every bag change. Just include the filters with the bags in a package of bags & proper instructions. As for the Avalir2? Not a fan of it. The blue accents are nice, but I am not a fan of the blue "K" on the bag. Definitely agree with Keither in reply 53 that the first Avalir color scheme looks better. Kirby definitely needs to get with it & stop making new red accents & then a Avalir2 with a new color scheme & just design a new model. How much longer can they keep trotting out the same old tired platform & still stay in business?? Rob |
Post# 389163 , Reply# 76   3/27/2018 at 03:12 (2,194 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389191 , Reply# 78   3/27/2018 at 11:01 (2,193 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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Hey can someone confirm my question in reguards to my post (post 60) as well as (post 68/49/55) and post 68 |
Post# 389199 , Reply# 80   3/27/2018 at 12:58 (2,193 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Rob,
I'm afraid that you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. How many Direct Air vacuums do you know of that have a filter specifically for capturing Carbon dust emitted from the motor brushes? Sebo and Miele don't count because they are not Direct Air machines. So all of the following Direct Air vacuums Do Not have any type of filter for Carbon Dust emissions: Royal Metal Upright, Kirby, Sanitaire, Hoover, etc. Riccar Tandem Air doesn't count because the Direct Air motor Carbon emissions are captured by the Bypass Air motor and sent into the bag.
I don't see Kirby spending any effort on trying to design a filter to capture motor emissions for the following reasons:
1. The Carbon dust expelled by the Kirby's motor cooling fan is so Minute that it is totally harmless to anyone. Carbon is harmless! Think about the Miele Bypass Air upright which has a Charcoal filter. What is Charcoal made of? Carbon!!! If Charcoal is harmless to Humans, so Carbon dust is also harmless to Humans!!!!!
2. CRI Labs has awarded the Kirby Avalir the Gold seal of approval for it's cleaning ability and also the Green environmental seal of approval for emissions. CRI doesn't bother to measure emissions from the Kirby's cooling fan exhaust because of reason #1 above.
3. Kirby is not bothered by the EU's "F" rating for emissions. Kirby's sales in the EU are less than 1% of overall sales worldwide. IMHO The EU's testing laboratories seems to have a stick up their butt when it comes to testing American made appliances.
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Post# 389200 , Reply# 81   3/27/2018 at 13:06 (2,193 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389201 , Reply# 82   3/27/2018 at 13:13 (2,193 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Look closely Stan you will see the direct air motor filter :)
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Post# 389206 , Reply# 83   3/27/2018 at 13:57 (2,193 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Kirby on the early generation series used to put a foam filter for carbon dust, so did Oreck on the Xl21, Bissell also did on there dual fan machines later made by Tacony. And of course is the Tacony tandem air machines.
Carbon dust emissions and recirculation of any dust in the air in the room is a concern. If Kirby wasn't owned by Scott's fitzer they wouldn't still exist. Like I've been saying they need to come out with a modern design for the modern Market. |
Post# 389207 , Reply# 84   3/27/2018 at 14:02 (2,193 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389277 , Reply# 85   3/28/2018 at 03:15 (2,193 days old) by Adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Post# 389289 , Reply# 86   3/28/2018 at 08:35 (2,193 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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where did you find that nice pic of the avalir2? |
Post# 389292 , Reply# 88   3/28/2018 at 10:01 (2,193 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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Post# 389295 , Reply# 89   3/28/2018 at 10:46 (2,193 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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If you knew anything about how Direct Air vacuums work and how the airpath is designed, you would understand that what you are suggesting is not possible.
The fan chamber is totally isolated from the motor and motor cooling fan to prevent dirt and dust from collecting inside the motor and destroying it.
There are several videos on Youtube that show the disassembly and reassembly of various Kirby vacuums. I suggest you watch at least one of these videos, then you will understand why your idea is not possible. |
Post# 389297 , Reply# 90   3/28/2018 at 10:58 (2,193 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389299 , Reply# 91   3/28/2018 at 11:13 (2,192 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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On Direct Air vacuums are not only impractical, but totally unnecessary. Carbon dust emissions from Direct Air motors is not only invisible, but totally harmless. The Tacony Tandem Air machines are not true Direct Air vacuums.
Kirby has been selling vacuums with the same basic Direct Air design for over 100 years. I don't see why it matters that Scott & Fetzer owns Kirby. Kirby is still in business because their machines cannot be beaten when it comes down to deep cleaning carpets. Why would Kirby drastically change their design when the current design works so well?
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Post# 389300 , Reply# 92   3/28/2018 at 11:19 (2,192 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 389301 , Reply# 93   3/28/2018 at 11:20 (2,192 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389305 , Reply# 95   3/28/2018 at 11:48 (2,192 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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@no0xy: The "bar" you refer to is actually more like a little crank that lifts the belt off of the motor shaft. Turn the machine off, turn the crank and you're back in business in like five seconds. Not a big deal. Kirby also offers a hard surface plate that snaps onto the bottom of the nozzle to keep the brush roll from touching the floor.
A twin-motor design would make absolutely no sense for Kirby; it's just not what they do. There's no practical way to add that to the existing design and the compromises needed to incorporate it would turn Kirby into just another bagless plasticrap vac with nothing to distinguish it from the competition. A big part of Kirby's success comes from offering something different, something its customers can't find at their local big-box store. Kirby is well aware their products aren't for everyone and they design their products accordingly. In successfully carving out a niche market, they cater to the needs and expectations of that market. People who are inclined to by a $89 piece of plasticrap from Walmart aren't part of that market and their desires aren't considered any more than, say, Porsche considers the needs and desires of the average econo hatchback driver in its product designs. |
Post# 389310 , Reply# 96   3/28/2018 at 12:07 (2,192 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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I am well aware of how Kirbys work. I have rebuilt more than I can count.
In fact, my suggestion is absolutely possible. You did not understand my suggestion. This is an awkward illustration, but imagine this: 1. Attach Kirby rug nozzle to machine. 2. Drill hole in nozzle wing 3. Glue one end of a hose to said hole in nozzle 4. Attach other end to motor vent 5. Vacuum carpet as usual All carbon dust goes into the bag. In fact, with this setup, a separate motor cooling would not even be required. The dirt-free suction airflow alone could cool the motor. Kirby vacuums have more than enough airflow to spare. Of course, such a setup could be engineered much more elegantly. But this is what I meant in my earlier post. |
Post# 389311 , Reply# 97   3/28/2018 at 12:10 (2,192 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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Post# 389312 , Reply# 98   3/28/2018 at 12:16 (2,192 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389325 , Reply# 99   3/28/2018 at 17:56 (2,192 days old) by fairfax88 (Orlando, FL)   |   | |
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I just bought the new Blue Kirby,and it DOES NOT Have carbon brushes any longer,It is just like the the E2-Black Rainbow! ~David |
Post# 389327 , Reply# 100   3/28/2018 at 18:54 (2,192 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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Post# 389329 , Reply# 101   3/28/2018 at 19:05 (2,192 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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Post# 389345 , Reply# 102   3/28/2018 at 21:41 (2,192 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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If the new Avilar2 is brushless the whole EU rating, emission, motor filter argument went moot. |
Post# 389352 , Reply# 104   3/29/2018 at 01:31 (2,192 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389366 , Reply# 106   3/29/2018 at 09:17 (2,192 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389372 , Reply# 107   3/29/2018 at 10:44 (2,192 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 389380 , Reply# 108   3/29/2018 at 11:42 (2,191 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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Can someone post some more pics and or some videos of the new avalir2. thanks |
Post# 389390 , Reply# 109   3/29/2018 at 15:27 (2,191 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Sorry to be so skeptical but I doubt they have a brushless motor.
When I look on a wholesale parts catalog I don't see anything past G10 I don't see really any evidence of an avalir 2 being in production on the Kirby side. I Google image search doesn't pull up anything for "G11" or" avalir 2" Did someone Photoshop that stuff? |
Post# 389452 , Reply# 111   3/30/2018 at 10:43 (2,191 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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I know a lot of people are saying to redesign or modernize the Kirby but if it still out performs a lot of modern machine is it still outdated? I believe Kirby has stated they won't redesign it until they found something to out preform the current model. I get there's a convince issue with the tools and brush roll shut off but preformance wise it's aged really well.
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Post# 389458 , Reply# 113   3/30/2018 at 12:22 (2,190 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389459 , Reply# 114   3/30/2018 at 12:31 (2,190 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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there are a couple of reasons why I don't think Kirby will be using a brushless motor anytime soon.
First brushless motors require a circuit card to function. circuit cards in vacuum cleaners are often the most probable cause of failure. Kirby is all about reliability so I don't think they will go this route anytime soon.
Second brushless motors are quite a bit more expensive to produce then the current Universal type motor that Kirby has been using since its Inception in the early 1900s. I'm sure there are other reasons as well but these two points are the ones that come to mind at this point in time. |
Post# 389460 , Reply# 115   3/30/2018 at 12:44 (2,190 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389461 , Reply# 116   3/30/2018 at 13:51 (2,190 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Post# 389464 , Reply# 117   3/30/2018 at 14:00 (2,190 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389465 , Reply# 118   3/30/2018 at 14:02 (2,190 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 389883 , Reply# 119   4/5/2018 at 17:13 (2,184 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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Hey has anyone recieved the new unit yet? if so can anyone give us their point of view on it and what makes it new compare to the previous avalir. Also can anyone post pics of it, as well as the attachments and accessories. K, thanks |
Post# 389899 , Reply# 120   4/5/2018 at 21:42 (2,184 days old) by fairfax88 (Orlando, FL)   |   | |
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Why don't you come to DownTown Orlando,and play with the new Blue Kirby? You can take it all apart and vacuum my intire house with it and use all of the attachments! ANY TIME YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!!! ~David |
Post# 389938 , Reply# 122   4/6/2018 at 09:05 (2,184 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 389942 , Reply# 124   4/6/2018 at 10:45 (2,184 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 389945 , Reply# 125   4/6/2018 at 11:46 (2,183 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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It's nothing new. Other than color schemes, the G3 and G4 were essentially the same machine with a little tweak on the transmission between the two. The G5, G6 and G7 (Ultimate) were all the same except for a change in the emptor design between the G5 and G6 and a redesigned outer bag between the G6 and G7. And yeah, there was that short-lived two-speed switch on the G7 Diamond. Kirby may be the "Hummer" of vacuum cleaners in terms of bulk and power, but their design philosophy is classic VW Beetle.
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Post# 390030 , Reply# 127   4/7/2018 at 02:51 (2,183 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Waiting on my Blue avalir-supposed to be delivered sometime this week from Raleigh.There are no other Kirby dealers in the area. |
Post# 390044 , Reply# 128   4/7/2018 at 09:16 (2,183 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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Post# 390118 , Reply# 130   4/8/2018 at 07:55 (2,182 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 390139 , Reply# 132   4/8/2018 at 13:04 (2,181 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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That philosophy can only work for so long. When you consider Kirby got 20 years out of their Classic line, and the Generation series is going on TWENTY EIGHT years, I'd say a redesign is overdue. Until I'm proven wrong (and in this case I hope I am) Kirby is gonna milk the Generation series chassis until they go out of business....
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Post# 390168 , Reply# 134   4/8/2018 at 21:44 (2,181 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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I think the ones in the know at Kirby remembers the Royal Powercast. People say they want new, and redesigned. But do they? Do they really . . |
Post# 390170 , Reply# 135   4/8/2018 at 22:01 (2,181 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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I would say that after 28 years YES they do. Tell me this if you will - what other consumer product do you know of that has remained pretty much unchanged since 1990?! Maybe Filter Queen? Aerus Electrolux and Rainbow have totally redesigned their machines since then. I expected something great when I saw the prototype drawings of the Avalir. The final product was just another warmed over Generation 3.
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Post# 390171 , Reply# 136   4/8/2018 at 22:39 (2,181 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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I am doubtful that it is brushless.
Brushless motors require DC to work, I believe, unless they are induction motors. An induction motor small enough to fit inside a Kirby will not be powerful enough to do the job. Wall outlets obviously put out AC. If I am correct, brushless vacuums such as the Rainbow or the Dyson DC49 (both corded vacuums) carry an AC to DC power supply on board to provide the brushless motor with DC. Other brushless vacuums (Dyson hand vacuums with the digital motor) are simply cordless. Batteries provide DC. The Avalir 2 is presumably corded. I can tell you from opening up plenty of G-series Kirbys that there is no room to store or cool a big, hot AC to DC power supply inside the unit. I really do hope you all prove me wrong. A brushless Kirby would be a truly terrific thing. However, I am fearful the Avalir 2 will be brushed. |
Post# 390185 , Reply# 137   4/9/2018 at 09:11 (2,181 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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Yes, brushless motors usually require D.C. Therefore they require some kind of power supply usually in the form of a circuit board to power them. Mike |
Post# 390190 , Reply# 138   4/9/2018 at 13:02 (2,180 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I was an engineer before I retired and I can say that although I have not yet seen a Blue Avalir, I would be willing to bet my next Pension check that it does NOT have a brushless motor in it. A brushless motor small enough to fit inside the current G series power plant wound not have enough torque to spin the 5 inch diameter fan at 13,000 to 16,000 RPM and to also drive the brushroll at the same time.
As said previously, Brushless motors require a circuit board to convert AC to DC and to provide high frequency DC pulses to determine the motor's RPM. Brushless motors have low torque suitable to drive a small impeller at very high RPM like in Dyson's V6, V8, and V10 cordless cleaners.
The current Universal style motor used to power the Kirby is not only small but has very high torque and it runs on either AC or DC current. This is the perfect type of motor to power the Kirby.
To Oreck_XL: I don't think Kirby will be going out of business anytime soon. Kirby currently sells hundreds of thousands of machines a year worldwide because it is not just a vacuum cleaner but an entire home care system when you include the carpet shampoo and hard floor washing and mopping system. Why do you think Kirby co needs to redesign the entire system when the current system works so well for hndreds of thousands of households worldwide?
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Post# 390197 , Reply# 139   4/9/2018 at 13:51 (2,180 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Because even the lay person trading in say a G4 is gonna realize in terms of aesthetics the machine hasn't changed much at all. Locally speaking Kirby is NOT doing well, as there are only 3 distributors left in the New York area. Many have already closed and I don't hear of any new ones. It's a very dated design and the Tech Drive added unnecessary bulk. Again, I hope I'm wrong but how long can Kirby pass off the same old S#&% on customers? Twenty eight years is long enough.
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Post# 390202 , Reply# 140   4/9/2018 at 14:50 (2,180 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 390203 , Reply# 141   4/9/2018 at 14:52 (2,180 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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It's not a perfect machine - never was. There were some things about it's predecessor the Legend II that were actually better like the smaller front nozzle (aka "Granny head"). Unless I can obtain a pre-war model with the original black bag at a FAIR price I have no burning desire to add any more Kirbys to my collection.
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Post# 390206 , Reply# 142   4/9/2018 at 15:07 (2,180 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Dude, Chill. If you don't like Kirby, ok, that is your prerogative. Move on. |
Post# 390213 , Reply# 143   4/9/2018 at 15:44 (2,180 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 390219 , Reply# 144   4/9/2018 at 16:33 (2,180 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 390262 , Reply# 148   4/10/2018 at 12:37 (2,179 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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Post# 390274 , Reply# 149   4/10/2018 at 16:18 (2,179 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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I think most of the VHS and DVD content is now available through YouTube and while they're great to watch, there's really not much need to own a physical copy unless you just really want one for the sake of completeness. Due to the incremental nature of changes between models, you could watch any Kirby product video going back at least to the G5 and learn pretty much everything you need to know about using an Avalir, save for its updated shampooer. The smart thing for Kirby to do to reduce video production costs would be to archive the existing videos on their Web site and then produce supplemental videos for items with specific changes for new models.
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Post# 390317 , Reply# 151   4/11/2018 at 02:14 (2,179 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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The last floor care system was for the Sentria II, that I know of. You can find them at Goodvac.com or Ebay. I use the carpet fluffer to raise the nap on my carpet which is now about 7 years old. Does a great job. Also I might add that since the new stiffer brush rolls, it is not as necessary to do this as often.
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Post# 390401 , Reply# 152   4/12/2018 at 13:25 (2,177 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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If the last floor care system was for the sentria II, then why did kirby have one mentioned in the AVALIR's dvd? |
Post# 390420 , Reply# 153   4/12/2018 at 20:31 (2,177 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 390435 , Reply# 154   4/13/2018 at 09:04 (2,177 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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I kind of want KIRBY to come out with a baby blue model with white accent pieces and hopefully re-release the handi butler tool (sentria version). |
Post# 390436 , Reply# 155   4/13/2018 at 10:07 (2,177 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 390440 , Reply# 157   4/13/2018 at 14:02 (2,176 days old) by Adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Post# 390441 , Reply# 158   4/13/2018 at 14:27 (2,176 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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It's officially released as video are on the Kirby YouTube channel.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Evilvacuumman's LINK |
Post# 390442 , Reply# 159   4/13/2018 at 15:20 (2,176 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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yyyyaaasss!! I like it more now that i see it in action in an launch video. Part of me thinks from 0:19- 0:28 seconds is clips from the owners manual. But they done uploaded many more videos long with this launch video. |
Post# 390544 , Reply# 161   4/15/2018 at 22:10 (2,174 days old) by brycerivers (Atlanta,GA,30273,United States)   |   | |
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Post# 390550 , Reply# 164   4/16/2018 at 09:21 (2,174 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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@electromatik: I like my Kirbys but I can understand the concern about weight. It's not much of an issue for me now since my house has only one floor but when I last lived on two floors, back before I lost my mind, I only had two vacuums, a Gsix and an Electrolux 1205. The Kirby stayed downstairs and the Electrolux stayed upstairs. You can probably guess which one I used on the steps themselves. Tech Drive pedals are readily available on eBay and easy to replace with minimal screwdriver skills. No service center required; in fact, that's one of the things I love most about these metal monsters is their old school design. They're actually intended to be worked on and thus to have a long useful life. I absolutely despise the way that most modern appliances are designed to be thrown away and replaced after a relatively short period of time.
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Post# 390556 , Reply# 165   4/16/2018 at 10:17 (2,174 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 390590 , Reply# 167   4/17/2018 at 04:14 (2,173 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 390600 , Reply# 168   4/17/2018 at 09:58 (2,173 days old) by Crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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I see the Avalir 2 as the fourth cleaner in the Avalir line.
1st version - This was the 100th Anniversary edition released in 2014. It had the special 100th badge on the handle. 2nd version - This is the same cleaner as the last one, but it no longer bears the 100th badge on the handle 3rd version - This version changed out some of the black trim for red trim. 4th version - The Avalir 2 with the blue trim. |
Post# 390602 , Reply# 169   4/17/2018 at 10:36 (2,173 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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yeah but theres gotta be more to it other than a color trim change for it to even be a new model. |
Post# 390609 , Reply# 170   4/17/2018 at 13:26 (2,172 days old) by Crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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None of them are new models. They are revisions. Kirby did the same thing with the Heritage II. First, they trimmed the "wings" off of the nozzle. Then, they made minor modifications o the motor housing. Then, they added the BPI light. After that, Kirby released the Heritage II Legend, which was basically the Heritage II with slight internal changes and a different handle sticker. After that, they released the Legend II, which was the same as the Heritage II Legend, except for it's red color and the redesigned G3 style tools. I consider all of these machines listed here to be part of the Heritage II line. The differences between Heritage II, Heritage II Legend and Legend II are not significant enough, in my mind, for them to all be separate models. Besides, all of those machines were still referred to as "Model H2" on their information stickers.
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Post# 390929 , Reply# 172   4/23/2018 at 21:25 (2,166 days old) by JUJU93 (South Georgia)   |   | |
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www.kirby.com/avalir-2-ho... |
Post# 391196 , Reply# 176   4/28/2018 at 08:49 (2,162 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 391597 , Reply# 177   5/6/2018 at 12:54 (2,153 days old) by cibibikeru (Europe)   |   | |
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Apart from being "a little quieter" (noise is actually my main concern with Avalir), are there any other improvements over the original Avalir? |
Post# 391623 , Reply# 178   5/7/2018 at 01:43 (2,153 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Post# 391650 , Reply# 179   5/7/2018 at 20:16 (2,152 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)   |   | |
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I don't mean to change the subject, but does anyone know what happened to the user kirbyloverdan?? Haven't seen him in a long time. Thanks. |
Post# 391656 , Reply# 180   5/7/2018 at 21:46 (2,152 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 391697 , Reply# 181   5/8/2018 at 16:49 (2,151 days old) by Adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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My new Kirby Avalir 2 has carbon brushes. I'm pretty sure yours does too. |
Post# 391756 , Reply# 182   5/9/2018 at 20:27 (2,150 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)   |   | |
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There you are Dan... I just have not seen you post around here much in a good while. haha |
Post# 392877 , Reply# 185   6/5/2018 at 20:37 (2,123 days old) by rowdy141 (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 392885 , Reply# 186   6/6/2018 at 03:18 (2,123 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 392894 , Reply# 187   6/6/2018 at 12:04 (2,122 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 392903 , Reply# 189   6/6/2018 at 13:24 (2,122 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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If the only difference between the two Avalir models is the color of the trim, there is little to justify the cost of producing a new video when all the substantive content would be the same. Same with the boxes. They may just have a surplus of boxes made up with the red color schemes and needed to use them up before re-ordering, at which time it would be cost effective to substitute blue for red in the print design.
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Post# 396124 , Reply# 192   8/3/2018 at 13:28 (2,064 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)   |   | |
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Post# 396266 , Reply# 194   8/5/2018 at 10:40 (2,063 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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Post# 396307 , Reply# 196   8/6/2018 at 01:04 (2,062 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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No plastic "tank" in my Avalir 2-are they referring to the Mini-emptor?These are getting SMALLER as time goes by. |
Post# 396311 , Reply# 197   8/6/2018 at 04:40 (2,062 days old) by Cibibikeru (Europe)   |   | |
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You can see the muffler as part 5 in the diagram from UK user manual, I didn’t see it in the US manual.
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