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Post# 385771   2/10/2018 at 20:14 (2,260 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

After seeing the good reviews I decided to purchase one, it's the cheapest separator based water filtration machine, it costs $498 brand new. I will write a review once I get it and take it for a test drive.
Mike

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Post# 386000 , Reply# 1   2/13/2018 at 21:20 (2,257 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
hopefully getting two machines tomorrow, really excited

 I should get my quantum tomorrow and I'm also getting a new Hyla, got a great deal on one, really excited. Stay tuned for the reviews, I think I now will have all of the available separator water filtration machines.
Mike

Post# 386011 , Reply# 2   2/13/2018 at 22:27 (2,257 days old) by Lux_Luthor (Tennessee)        

Are you getting the Hyla GST? I’m looking forward to your Quantumvac review. I really enjoyed your Pro Aqua Vivenso review and it made me want one. I just don’t have the $$$ for it.

Post# 386019 , Reply# 3   2/14/2018 at 02:02 (2,256 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@n0oxy

 Congratulations! That looks like a great machine, beautiful vacuum! Did you order the Red or White Model? Just curious and I can’t wait for your thoughts when you get it.

I’ve not added a water filtration vacuum to my collection yet and came close with a Sirena vacuum, but this one looks nicer.

Thanks!

Post# 386096 , Reply# 4   2/14/2018 at 23:44 (2,256 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
got both machines

 Yep, got the Quantum, white color and the Hyla GST, two more awesome new canisters for my collection. I will post some reviews once I have used them a bit more, but for the price, the Quantum is very good and well made, the Hyla is also an awesome machine, I plan on using them both more in the nexst few days and posting reviews of both of them as well as a comparison of all of the water filtration machines that I have, I think I now have all of the ones that use separators.
Mike

Post# 386104 , Reply# 5   2/15/2018 at 07:59 (2,255 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@n0oxy

 Wow I’d missed your comment on the Hyla and only saw the link to the Quantum!

Those both are some beautiful Vacuums! I Love the Frog design on the Hyla!

Congratulations on both Vacuums and I can’t wait to see pics and hear how well you like them, etc.

Thanks for sharing!


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Post# 386109 , Reply# 6   2/15/2018 at 08:55 (2,255 days old) by Kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I love my quantum. I also have a robot ns by airflow which was the original quantum sold door to door but no longer made.
The Hyla is great as well but my only real complaint about it is the hose. Too short!

Post# 386117 , Reply# 7   2/15/2018 at 09:59 (2,255 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I sure hope you bring your Quantum to the Vacuum Collectors Convention in June. We need to take a group photo of all the separator water vacs: Delphin, Big Power, Ocean Blue, Hyla, Sirena, Vivenso, etc. There's two more that I can't remember the names - one has an automatic cord rewinder, and one is made in Lebanon (the country).

Post# 386144 , Reply# 8   2/15/2018 at 16:17 (2,255 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
bringing the Quantum

 Sure, I can definitely bring the Quantum to the convention and the Hyla as well, I think you have the other current models. I'm going to keep in touch with the distributors that I bought the Hyla and Vivenso from and they have expressed interest in coming to the convention to meet other collectors which I think would be awesome. It would be neat to have a cleaning competition between the water filtration machines.
The hose on the Hyla is 8 feet long, and the cord is 26 feet long.
I wonder if anyone knows if there are adapters available to convert the European hose receptacle to the hose receptacle that is used in the United States. The standard hose size of hoses in Europe is 35 MM and I have several adapters to convert that to 32 MM size for United States attachments. However, the receptacle on the Hyla hose is wider and it's too loose for United States power nozzles to work, I'm just wondering if an adapter is available for that like there is for the hose size, or if one could be made.
Mike

Post# 386205 , Reply# 9   2/16/2018 at 08:59 (2,254 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Tom don't forget the Thermax, Rotho twin TT, pro aqua, Rittello, and others lol I can't think of them right now.

Post# 386206 , Reply# 10   2/16/2018 at 09:17 (2,254 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
ritello

 Actually the Thermax does not have a separator and those would be very difficult to clean out. The vivenso is the newest model made by Pro Aqua, it is an awesome machine. Interesting that you mention the Ritello, I may be able to get one, I'm not sure if it's a separator machine or not.
I will be writing a full review of the Quantum but suffice it to say that it's an awesome machine, it cleans as good as the other machines at a much cheaper price.
Mike

Post# 386208 , Reply# 11   2/16/2018 at 09:33 (2,254 days old) by Lux_Luthor (Tennessee)        
@n0oxy

 I’ve seen some reviewers say the Quantum Vac separator doesn’t work as good and gets dirty faster. I’ve also seen that the power nozzle isn’t that great with high pile carpeting. What are your thoughts?

Post# 386209 , Reply# 12   2/16/2018 at 09:48 (2,254 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
more on the ritello

 The ritello does use a separator and has a cord winder, sounds like a great machine as well.
Mike

Post# 386211 , Reply# 13   2/16/2018 at 09:55 (2,254 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
quantum separator and high carpet

 So far I have only used the machine once but there was nothing on the separator when I was done. I have no high pile carpet to test it with, it uses the Wessel-Werk EBK340 power nozzle which has auto height adjustment.
Mike

Post# 386212 , Reply# 14   2/16/2018 at 10:22 (2,254 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Oh Yes, the Ritello. I had a chance to see one. A man who sold them visited the Vacuum Cleaner Museum one day. We talked a long time about the invention of the water filtration vacuum (Rexair Series A - 1936) and how they changed over the years. He brought in the Ritello, and I got a chance to feel the suction but we did not put water in it nor did we vacuum with it. The suction was good and it wasn't too loud.

I would love to find one for the collection - hopefully by the time of the Vacuum Collectors Convention in June.

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Post# 386276 , Reply# 15   2/17/2018 at 11:07 (2,253 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
my review of the Quantum vac

 This is my fifth water filtration machine, I will be posting my review of the Hyla in a new thread since this thread is mostly about the Quantum. It is the cheapest separator based water filtration machine available selling at $498 on their web site. Since most of the water filtration machines sell for a much higher price, I wasn't sure what to expect.
The machine has the typical three parts of a water filtration vacuum, the dolly, the basin and the motor unit. Let's start on the bottom and work our way up.
The dolly is shaped similar to other water filtration machines and has the wheels on the bottom, there is also a holder on the front for storing attachments. One difference with this machine is that there is no latch to hold the machine in place. This allows you to put the machine in the dolly any way you choose. Since there was no latch, I thought that when the machine was full of water, if I picked it up by the top handle that the dolly would fall off, but this did not happen. In order to remove the machine from the dolly, tilt it slightly and pull one side out, the rest of the machine will separate from the dolly easily at this point.
The basin looks somewhat like the basin for a Rainbow. It has a post in the middle and you are supposed to fill the basin until the water covers the top of the post. The post can be unscrewed and removed although I'm not sure you would want to do this other than to clean it perhaps. Interestingly, this machine seems to hold more water than the other machines. When you fill it until the top of the post is covered, the water is closer to the top of the basin than with other machines. This is probably a good thing as it will keep debris off the separator better. The basin is not completely open, it's not as bad as a Rainbow but it does have somewhat of a roof on it that debris can cling to, I prefer a basin that is totally open to avoid this issue. One thing I really like about the Quantum, and the Vivenso as well is that the hose inlet is actually on the basin, not the motor unit. This means that the hose inlet can be washed out if necessary. If there is debris in the inlet of the other machines, you would probably have to vacuum a bit of water through the hose to clean them out.
Ok, on to the main part of the machine, the motor unit. The motor unit sets on top of the basin and has two side latches that hold it in place. The latches look very much like the latches on a Rainbow. On the front of the motor unit is the receptacle for the electric hose. There is no cord that you have to connect though. When connecting the electric hose, the suction part goes in to the inlet on the basin and the prongs on the hose mate with the connector on the motor unit. The hose connector is slightly different than other water filtration machines. Most of the other machines have two side clips that hold the hose in place. With the Quantum, there is a button on the top of the hose connector that you press as you connect the hose, this button is also used to release the hose from the machine. On the back of the motor unit is the exhaust port, to use the machine as a blower you remove the cap and insert the hose in to the port. This is the only water filtration machine I have seen that has a cord that is completely detachable. The back of the motor unit has a receptacle that the cord goes in to, it will snap in to place when plugged in. To release the cord, press down on the latch on the top of the cord and pull it out. This makes storing the machine much easier and is a very nice feature. The machine has a touch control panel. I'm a blind person so this was a bit challenging for me to figure out, I can see light and some objects but cannot read print. I had to touch different areas in order to figure out where each button was, fortunately there are only four buttons so this was fairly easy after spending some time with the machine. There is a power button that you press to turn the machine on, there is also a low speed button, a high speed button and a timer button. The low speed is used for washing the air or delicate vacuuming and the high speed mode is used for most vacuuming where you want full power. The timer button lets you set the machine to run from 15 minutes up to two hours.
For the price, the machine includes lots of accessories. There are two hoses, one electric and one nonelectric, a curved wand that attaches to the nonelectric hose, a hard floor brush, a crevice tool, a dusting brush, a squeegee attachment, an electric telescopic wand, a nonelectric telescopic wand, an electric power nozzle for the carpets, an upholstery nozzle, and a mini electric brush. When I ordered my machine, they were out of the mini electric brush and said they would send it to me when it became available, instead they sent me a turbine brush and some free fragrances. Most likely, the mini electric nozzle will be the Wessel-werk HEB160 which I already have anyway. The carpet power nozzle is the Wessel-werk EBK340 which is a decent nozzle. It's not as powerful as the EBK360 and does not have manual height adjustment but is still a very well made German power nozzle. The hose end is the standard 32 MM size and the hose receptacle is also standard, so you could use other attachments and power nozzles with the quantum if you wanted to. I'm not really in favor of circuit boards in vacuums, it's another component that can fail and this would especially be true for a machine that uses water but I think all of the water based machines use them so we'll hope for the best.
To use the Quantum, fill the basin up to the top of the post, install the motor unit on top and latch it with the two side latches. You can then set the machine in to the dolly. Press the power button to turn the machine on, you can set the timer at this point and choose the desired speed. There is one big difference when it comes to low speed with this machine. With the Rainbow, Sirena and Vivenso, the low speed is quiet enough that you can do other things in the same room as the machine. With the Quantum, the low speed is much higher and is therefore much more noticeable. Even on low speed, you can vacuum most things with the machine and it will be powerful enough for the task.
Ok, on to performance. The machine cleans very well, I used it to clean my area rugs with the power nozzle and the bare floors in my apartment. It cleans just as well as the other water filtration machines. I also did the turbine test, using the rugrat turbo brush to see how fast the machine could spin it. It's about as fast as the Rainbow, the only water filtration machine that can spin the turbine slightly faster is the Sirena. At one point there was a rumor that this machine used the same separator and motor as the Sirena. I'm not sure about the separator but the motor is definitely different.
Maintaining the Quantum is very similar to the other water filtration machines. Remove the basin and dump out the water. You can remove the separator by removing the nut on the top of it for cleaning. I've only used the machine twice but so far there was absolutely nothing on the separator and the manual claims that you need to clean it every few months.
So, is the Quantum a good machine? Yes, absolutely. It cleans as well as the other water filtration machines at a much cheaper price, about 1/5 of the price of a new Rainbow. I'm not sure how long this machine has been out but if it becomes more popular, the higher priced machines will have some very good competition. If you want a water filtration machine but don't want to pay the higher price for some of the other ones, definitely consider the Quantum.
Since I'm a blind person and can't provide any pictures, I'm going to include some links that should provide pictures of the machine. First, here is the newest infomercial. I do think some of the claims about other machines losing airflow very quickly are taken out of proportion and the part about cleaning with your own vacuum first and then cleaning with the Quantum to see how much better it cleans are incorrect, no vacuum will get everything the first time.



And here is the user's guide for the machine which also provides some pictures. Interesting that they actually say you can use essential oils in it, I would not do that since they can destroy the basin.
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Mike

Post# 386280 , Reply# 16   2/17/2018 at 12:39 (2,253 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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It does look very good value compared to other water vacs.
But I'm still not convinced that water is a very good filtration media. I would still prefer a bag plus a Hepa filter.

Post# 386284 , Reply# 17   2/17/2018 at 14:53 (2,253 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
a few things I forgot to mention in the review

 The quantum does not have a Hepa filter on the exhaust, it uses water exclusively for the filter. Also neither hose has a suction relief switch, if you need less suction you need to switch to low speed. Finally, there is no control on the electric hose to turn the power nozzle off, however if you put the wand and neck of the power nozzle in the upright position, the power nozzle will stop. The power nozzle uses a direct connect wand so there are no cords to connect. This means that you cannot clean bare floors with the power nozzle using straight suction, although there would be no reason to do this anyway. For cleaning bare floors, remove the power nozzle and attach the included hard floor brush or another hard floor brush that uses the standard hose size.
Mike

Post# 386288 , Reply# 18   2/17/2018 at 15:38 (2,253 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
does water filtration work

 This may be one of those debates that will always continue, and each side will have their reasons for why they think the way they do. Many of us on here, myself included do not like most bagless machines, and for good reason. When you empty them the dust usually goes all over the place, the filters clog very quickly reducing the machine's performance, and, most of the bagless vacuums from companies such as Shark, Dyson, Hoover, Eureka and Bissell are simply very poor quality.
When I decided to try my first water filtration machine, the Sirena, I figured that if I didn't like it, I could sell it and get at least part of what I spent on it back. Not only have I kept the Sirena, I have gotten four more water filtration machines for my collection. I do think the water vacs, at least the ones that use a separator do work with certain limitations, and they address the main issues with bagless machines. When dumping the water, the dust does not go all over everything because it's trapped in the water. I usually dump mine down the toilet, but dumping outside also works. Also, there is no other filter to clog, even on machines that have a secondary Hepa filter, the majority of the filtration is done by the water. Also, the water vacs are well made.
The main restriction with these machines is that they will not filter fine dust such as dry wall dust, or fine powders well. However, other bagless machines and even bagged machines can have problems with this type of debris as well. If you vacuum those kinds of things with a bagged machine, the bag will clog very quickly, especially if it's a paper bag. This is why you will need to change a bag much sooner after vacuuming that kind of thing. Really, for vacuuming dry wall dust and similar things, you need a vacuum designed for that purpose such as a shop vac with a filter designed for that purpose. For common every day debris the water vacs do a great job, after dumping the water, wash the basin and separator and you are good to go. I still love all of my bagged machines as well, but if you want something that is bagless, a water machine is definitely the way to go.
Mike

Post# 386289 , Reply# 19   2/17/2018 at 16:04 (2,253 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I agree it's better than cyclonic vacs. I would like to try one. Do you find them heavy when the basin is full of water? To me the Rainbow looks a bit bulky? If I see a used one going for a reasonable price I might be tempted.

Post# 386290 , Reply# 20   2/17/2018 at 16:15 (2,253 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hi guys!

I don’t own any water filtration Vacuums but after watching the Quantum Vacuum video posted by @n0oxy, I’m confused by your comment about drywall dust....

In the video they pick up what looks to be baking soda powder type rug freshener and household dust, etc. I know drywall dust can be a bit finer, but it’s being whooshed into Water, so why can’t you vacuum up drywall dust?

Does it state in the instruction manuals for Rainbow, Sirena or Quantum to NOT vacuum drywall dust or cold fireplace ash?

No shade, NO insult as I LOVE these water filtration Vacuums and I’m going to pick one soon to buy.. I’m just curious as it seems the water filtration would be the ONLY vacuum to use for fine dust, plaster or otherwise?

Lastly I LOVE how Quantum explains the definition of “Suction vs Airflow” Lol soooo true!

One other thing I’m curious about.. again NO shade lol
Has anyone done a particulate air quality meter at the exhaust of a Quantum (since it’s hot no HEPA) and does it blow a zero? Thanks guys and Congrats to those who own these awesome Vacuums! I’m becoming a fan quickly from all your guys information.. thanks!




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Post# 386295 , Reply# 21   2/17/2018 at 18:07 (2,253 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Water filtration has a hard time with greasy dust like road dust, ashes, etc. Talc is a great example of greasy dust. They call that dust “non-wettable”. Cyclonic filtration also has a very hard time with it. Both the Dyson Cinetic as well as the Vacuflo central vacuum recommend against picking up these types of dusts.

Post# 386306 , Reply# 22   2/17/2018 at 20:41 (2,253 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
quantum and dry wall dust

 The Quantum manual specifically advises against vacuuming this type of dust. On the Sirena's web site, it mentions that if this kind of dust is vacuumed it will be handled by the secondary Hepa filter. I would have to check the Rainbow's manual to see if it is mentioned there but again, it would probably be trapped by the exhaust Hepa filter. Fortunately this kind of thing should not have to be vacuumed up frequently, if someone does a lot of work where this is required, getting a vacuum specifically designed for it is the best option.
Mike

Post# 386323 , Reply# 23   2/18/2018 at 02:08 (2,252 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have a few Rainbow vacuums and they warn you not to use the vacuum to pick up ashes,flour,plaster dust.these are non wettable and will pass thru the water filter as one Kirby salesman showed me.the few times I used the Rainbows dumpted the water bin outside-NOT in thetoilet or any other indoor plumbing fixture.If you have to dump that way-use a sink strainer to catch the debris so it doesn't go down the drain and cause future clogs-esp in apartment house buildings.I plumber showed me a couple VERY worn rooter blades that were used to clean the plumbing of a house where the householder dumpted the Rainbow bin down the drains or potty.I have a septic tank so I can't dump vacuum cleaner waste down the drain.I dump the bins outside.This could be hard for someone who lives in an apartment.

Post# 386324 , Reply# 24   2/18/2018 at 02:23 (2,252 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

This random thought came to mind regarding the Riccar Premium Vibrance R20P I Bought and after checking the official Riccar website again, I had to Lol.... speaking of vacuuming up Flour!

I’d definitely change the bag RIGHT AFTER doing this.. if I even did it! Probable do what most rational people do .. swipe it off the counter into the trash can with a damp paper towel! Lol

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Post# 386325 , Reply# 25   2/18/2018 at 02:28 (2,252 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

If you picked up a LOT of flour as in the picture-you should replace the bag.The bag poers can get clogged with the flour-esp if the bag is paper.

Post# 386326 , Reply# 26   2/18/2018 at 02:30 (2,252 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@n0oxy

 FYI... I’m really very sorry if I got this thread sidetracked to a totally different topic with my questions. I’m still very new to Vacuumland.org so if I get too enthusiastic or too vocal, PLEASE let me know as I do NOT want to cause problems or annoy any other members!

I am very passionate about vacuum cleaners, so I tend to get excited and ramble on when given an opportunity (that in real life is very rare) to discuss this passion and hobby.

Thank you, Patrick

Post# 386333 , Reply# 27   2/18/2018 at 09:12 (2,252 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
oh it's fine

 I think we're all passionate about vacuums here, it's fairly common for threads to take interesting twists and turns, no big deal.
Regarding dumping my water filtration machines, I live in a second floor apartment so I don't want to carry that down two flights of stairs and then out the building door. So far dumping it down the toilet has not been a problem. It sounds like vacuuming up those kinds of powders will cause problems for just about every kind of vacuum. I remember seeing a manual for a wet dry vac where they also warn you not to vacuum that kind of thing unless you are using a filter designed for it, I'm not sure how the filters are made differently for those kinds of machines to filter out those kinds of powders but I guess they do exist.
Mike

Post# 386363 , Reply# 28   2/18/2018 at 23:15 (2,252 days old) by Kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Mike, I can tell you that I'm quite pleased with the performance of the Quantum power nozzle in deep pile carpet. I have one large room with shag carpeting and I was pleased. I do wish the hose had an on/off for the power nozzle but its not really a big deal. I love my Quantum and would buy another in a heartbeat.

Post# 386374 , Reply# 29   2/19/2018 at 09:04 (2,251 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
yes it's a great machine

 Agreed, I think it cleans as good as a Rainbow, and you can't beat the price for what is included. Now my next task is to get a Ritello.
Mike

Post# 386502 , Reply# 30   2/21/2018 at 10:24 (2,249 days old) by Rainbowguy2016 (Denton ,Tx)        
quantum vacuum

 Does the Quantum vacuum have more airflow then the Rainbow?

Post# 386506 , Reply# 31   2/21/2018 at 12:34 (2,249 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Quantum airflow

 I don't have a meter but based on the speed that it spins a turbine brush, the cleaning power is very similar to the Rainbow, the machine cleans very well.
Mike


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