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505 515 ? What Is It Really ?
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Post# 385627   2/8/2018 at 13:46 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Morning Everyone, well I brought home this Kirby yesterday and need some help, theres no Id plate on the bottom so have no idea what this machine is exactly, so hopefully some one might help me ? It runs smooth, no weird noises, handle spring is entact too. Brush roll is real stiff, hard to turn, can you disassemble it to clean inside ? It has the Sami emptor and red replacement bag, any tip on proper cleaning of bad ? Thanks everyone!

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Post# 385632 , Reply# 1   2/8/2018 at 14:41 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Jack,

The brush roll I see is open-ended and, along with the belt lifter and the design of the motor switch, suggests your cleaner is anything between the model 509 (1949-50) and 512 (1952-53). All the original wheels and other trim pieces were replaced with red ones in the 1960s or 1970s.

~Ben


Post# 385645 , Reply# 2   2/8/2018 at 20:40 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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I'm guessing that it is a Model 513. Does the handle have a flip down cord hook? I'm thinking Kirby introduced that change with the 513. I'm pretty sure the trip and handle grip had already transitioned to red by then. Others with more knowledge would know for sure.

Post# 385647 , Reply# 3   2/8/2018 at 20:44 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I used to own two 513s. One had the old 3 amp motor. Later in the production run, Kirby introduced a 4 amp motor. I had that one too. Unfortunately, I gave them both away! There were several changes introduced that year: new motor, trim, and flip down cord hook.


Post# 385650 , Reply# 4   2/8/2018 at 20:58 by huskyvacs (Indiana)        

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Wow you're like the 3rd or 4th person after me with a mystery Kirby with no ID tag! Who is shaking these out of the woodwork I wonder?

I've been collecting all you guys' snippets from these threads to hopefully use to ID my own I posted here last month. www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...


Post# 385657 , Reply# 5   2/8/2018 at 21:55 by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

Nice find!
Yes, the brush roll can be disassembled, cleaned, lubed, and reassembled.
I ~think~ one of the ends unscrews...

See if my 505 resto thread helps you any:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...


Post# 385661 , Reply# 6   2/8/2018 at 22:18 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Bill a007kirbyman told me on 505 maybe 508 the screws holding brush in place came stock with same size screws holding in brush assembly. I don't think yours would because 505-512 had brush plate have middle opening hinge. 513 and up had entire nozzle brush plate come off.

Post# 386077 , Reply# 7   2/14/2018 at 14:29 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Upon receiving the machine I still have no idea what it really is ? No Id plate on bottom and no rivet holes either ? It has been rebuilt and polished well, also has newer plastic type fan. I believe all the red trimmings and wheels are replacements too. Any Id help would be appreciated...jack

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Post# 386080 , Reply# 8   2/14/2018 at 16:37 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I'm not seeing a pic.

Post# 386082 , Reply# 9   2/14/2018 at 18:04 by royalfan (Chicago)        

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Sounds like Bojack to me

Post# 386089 , Reply# 10   2/14/2018 at 21:25 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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508 or 510. Im just saying but lines aren't right for 505. Nothing to reference on. On the Armiture usually has a date stamp. I'm saying 508.

Post# 386106 , Reply# 11   2/15/2018 at 08:16 by Crazykirbylady (North Carolina )        

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I read that the casting was different for these models. What does it feel/look like inside the nozzle for instance? Very rough? Take pics.. The 500 series is a complicated bunch haha.

Post# 386120 , Reply# 12   2/15/2018 at 10:09 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Inside the nozzle is rough texture, brush roll has big and small screw .

Post# 386122 , Reply# 13   2/15/2018 at 10:22 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Gina,

Regarding the nozzle castings for models 505-515, for models 513-515 the brush roll assembly was changed to a non-reversible type (one end is bigger than the other) and the rug plate assembly was changed to go with that.

~Ben


Post# 386123 , Reply# 14   2/15/2018 at 10:26 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Post# 386124 , Reply# 15   2/15/2018 at 10:27 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Post# 386127 , Reply# 16   2/15/2018 at 10:41 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Emtor bottom is red plastic, housing is aluminum

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Post# 386128 , Reply# 17   2/15/2018 at 10:43 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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The first bunch of my photos Is 505 and 508. 505 has 6 blade metal fan and 508 has 6
10 blade metal fan. The 598 fan would have been 6 blade. Brush role 505 is original has belt cap not belt lifter. The 508 has different sizes screws on each side where the 505 has same size screws on both sides which I believe is correct. Around badge of 508 is gold where 505 is silver. The wheels on 505 all original black and had washers visible behind screws. The 508 original l

Black but no washers.
The top of brush nozzle notice I believe 505 has eased section. The 508 has part number of it but 505 didn't
The underside of 59t And 50i have different texture by exhaust. 510 I'm pretty sure 513 to 515 brush roll which opens ebtirhy. 50t and 508 didn't have sweet aire 510 does took pic of it. Oh I just washed 505 bag hanging up. The 510 has bag from kirby Nike. 505 top bag assembly is different than 508
Just some pics see what yours has in on in.


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Post# 386129 , Reply# 18   2/15/2018 at 10:47 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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You have bigger stuffcrewd for nozzle at least 508. Top of nozzle is something raised. Check to see by headlight Clip is silver or copper.



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Post# 386139 , Reply# 19   2/15/2018 at 14:14 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Pic 1 508 10 blade fan copper nozzle clamp
Pic 2 505 6 blade fan aluminum nozzle clamp
Pic 3 508 showing depth of the blade
Pic 4 red blob idk
Pic 5 505 blade and emperor depth its about 1/2longer than 508
Pic 6 508 without safety switch notice hairline crack and copper screw. Light bulb and hood are identical on 505 508
Pic 7 505 view no copper screw and no hairline crack either


Post# 386140 , Reply# 20   2/15/2018 at 14:21 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Pic 8 508 serial number e 413251 I don't understand date codes but 508s started production in 1948.
Pic 9 505 bottom this is safety switch wiring. It has a black plastic housing only on 505 maybe 1st year produced 1945. I have seen similar on 4c maybe 3c late 30s kirbys.
Pic 10 full bottom view of 505 notice gold around 505 plate.


Post# 386141 , Reply# 21   2/15/2018 at 14:46 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Sorry longest posts.
Pic 11 505 looks like 891 or b91 other side has star in signal this is original housing for 505
Pic 12 505 notice grain of aluminum.
Pic 1 set 2 pic of 510 with bag from Mike and trim painted.
Pic 2 510 notice top of nozzle is flat. I think this came from a 512
Pic 3 set 2
Holy cow ya


Post# 386142 , Reply# 22   2/15/2018 at 15:56 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Pic 3 set 2 back of 510 emptor with sweet aire cap
Pic 4 set 2 original bag for 505 just cleaned it
Pic 5 set 2 original topper for 505 like vinyl black piece over top of bag clamp. I haven't seen many of these either.
Pic 6 set 2 508 left 505 right notice notches on top from casting
Pic 7 notice star embossed looks like 54 in a star
Pic 8 Pic of 508 nozzle looks a00
Pic 9 505 nozzle on bottom 508 on top notice

508 has casting lines
Pic 10 same 505 on bottom notice 505 screws are the same size that holds the brush roll and 508 has different size screws
Pic 11 508 emptor it's original (a007kirbyman sold me this rare gem
Pic 12 505 emptor original


Post# 386148 , Reply# 23   2/15/2018 at 17:31 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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3rd set Pic 1
Batopper for standard top fill bag
2 510-515 emptor with sweet aire cap not on.
3 510 nozzle top its off a 513-515.
4 bottom of 510 with 513-515 brush.
5 510 513 515 ya stamping on it same star as 508 vacuum head. I don't know if it's Austin Texas or what the stamp means.
6 510 brush nozzle w A 85 b5 but stamping.
So other than a bunch of pictures I tried explaining so you can compare to what you have and it might help.
Les


Post# 386222 , Reply# 24   2/16/2018 at 11:53 by jpsbgt (Oregon )        

Thanks Les for the pictures and explaining the difference in models. I still cant really determine what model This is but enjoyable learning experience...jack

Post# 386233 , Reply# 25   2/16/2018 at 15:48 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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If you find any stampings inside motor or part number let me know. I have part number list from ebay from 505 to d80. I also have parts diagram from 505-sentria 2 maybe avalir. The parts diagram is in a 3 inch poly binder. I may scan one day put on a flash drive but that would be alot of work.
Les





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