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Post# 381749   11/25/2017 at 01:25 (267 days old) by Rainbowvacfane2 (tracy ca)        

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Hi there Iíve been looking at all the post here lately but never really posted anything till recently Iíve been using Household vacuums for commercial use because I just started my cleaning business and I donít have enough accounts to justify a heavy duty industrial vacuum yet and I donít want to abuse my powr-flite so I got this Hoover Windtunnel 3 pro pet at goodwill for 8$ I used this along with 4 powerfroces 2 bagged 2 bagless over all I always end up reaching for the Hoover I love it the power is there the features are all there and the filters stay clean for a pretty long time and I got 2 extra brushrolls so thatís why I picked it what do you guys think what vac do you think would hold up in this use

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Post# 381912 , Reply# 1   11/28/2017 at 21:34 (263 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Life expectancy in the home for that machine is about a year. If you maybe it along wash the filter regularly and change the HEPA filter at least every month you should be good for that whole year you'll probably need a brush roller and belt in a few months. Hoover does make some very reasonably priced commercial machines the hushtone13+ is an amazing value.

Post# 381920 , Reply# 2   11/28/2017 at 23:00 (263 days old) by FCS3 (Hawaii)        
Hi Rainbowvacfane2

One thing favoring your pursuit of long life is the surfaces you're
cleaning. Low pile synthetic glued-down carpet without pet hair
or pebbles to contend with, will surely extend the life of any
vacuum you choose. Especially if you take a moment to broom the rug
at the outside entrance (if this place is on the ground floor).
This will rid the rug of all damaging debris, and it just takes a sec.

Oh, and watch those nasty paper clips, too. A headlight on the vac
would help. And, auto stores sell a tool that's a magnet on a long
spring. Handy to shove under desks.


Post# 381931 , Reply# 3   11/29/2017 at 10:41 (263 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Great for you!

I had a cleaning business once. I used a Kenmore until I had enough capital to buy a Hoover Conquest with the magnet and side clean out port.
I was able to sell it when I liquidated.


Post# 381935 , Reply# 4   11/29/2017 at 10:49 (263 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Two words: It's plastic. 'nuff said.

Post# 381937 , Reply# 5   11/29/2017 at 11:24 (263 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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If you are going to run a cleaning business, you really need a machine that will stand up to heavy use for a long period of time with only basic maintenance like belt and brushroll.

 

You need something like this:

 


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Post# 381940 , Reply# 6   11/29/2017 at 12:52 (263 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        
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Hello All and Rainbowvacfane2,
So if an $8.00 to say $50.00 plastic machine only last you a year as long as it is cleaning good for that year it was a good investment for a startup company.
Good luck with your cleaning service. Wow how many $8.00 working machines can you buy with $400.00. You could have a few people working for you.
Side note, I have a Shark Navigator I bought at a local thrift shop for $35.00. I repaired one of the latches and cleaned it up and I have to say it does a better job than the new Kirby that cost tons more. I know the Kirby will outlive the Shark and most likely me.
Thank you for looking,
Pete


Post# 381948 , Reply# 7   11/29/2017 at 16:45 (263 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks generally speaking for commercial use you want to avoid direct air machines like that Royal, Kirby&Oreck . Especially with that Royal now that most of them are Chinese machines the aluminum is quite cheap and far more prone to breaking when you accidentally suck up a rock or a paperclip. Plus they tend to eat belts.
Going with a commercial bypass machine like a windsor ,SEBO or Hoover will be less money up front and in the long run. Plus not having belts and fans to break.



Post# 381958 , Reply# 8   11/29/2017 at 22:36 (262 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
how about a backpack

There's always the backpack vacuums to consider, now, granted, I may be a bit biased because I love canister vacuums of all kinds, but, you can clean much faster with a backpack than you can with an upright. I'd go with a larger 10 quart model, you will be changing the bag less often. Interestingly, most backpacks do not come with electric power nozzles, but there is a kit available that will allow almost all backpacks to use an electric power nozzle, or you could get the Volt battery powered nozzle, avoid the turbo brushes, they are noisy and clog easily since everything goes through the turbine. I love using a backpack to clean my apartment, very fast and efficient.
Mike


Post# 381967 , Reply# 9   11/30/2017 at 09:08 (262 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Oreck vacuums are great for daily use. That's why so many hotels and other businesses used them. Granted they work best on the carpets you find in hotels and businesses (low pile), they work perfectly fine on most home carpets and other floor types. They are simple to repair, lightweight, and belts/brushrolls can be had for cheap.

Post# 381976 , Reply# 10   11/30/2017 at 16:04 (262 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Just save up for a windsor or SEBO .
If it's good enough for the president it's good enough for you.


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Post# 382028 , Reply# 11   12/1/2017 at 11:15 (261 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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@vacuumdevil:

 

"for commercial use you want to avoid direct air machines like that Royal, Kirby&Oreck . Especially with that Royal now that most of them are Chinese machines the aluminum is quite cheap and far more prone to breaking when you accidentally suck up a rock or a paperclip. Plus they tend to eat belts." 

 

That statement couldn't be further from the truth! 

 

First off, I own the Royal 8300 shown in the picture above and I can attest that even though it was made in China in 2008, the quality of the materials and workmanship is of the same quality that Royal has always been known for. TTI has committed to keep the quality of Royal metal vacuums the same as it always was.

 

Second, TTI has moved Royal production from China back to Louisiana in the US and the quality of materials and workmanship is the same as it was when TTI first purchased the company in 2002. 

 

Third, It is a well known fact that Direct air vacuum cleaners are the preferred type of vacuum cleaner of commercial cleaning companies in the US not only because of their superior cleaning ability but also because of their simple design which makes them extremely easy to maintain. It is also false that they eat belts. I only need to replace the belt in my 8300 about one a year with daily use. Also the curved blades of the metal fan allow it to easily pass small objects such as pebbles and paper clips directly into the bag. Replacing the fan because of damage is a rare occurrence!

 

 

 


Post# 382034 , Reply# 12   12/1/2017 at 12:39 (261 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks I'd like to know where you get your information from?
Because I actually sell royal Vacuums in the store I work at and have for years.
We have not one cleaning person who uses them or Kirby's. The only direct air machines left in commercial cleaning service are, some santaires, kolblenz uprights & the Oreck U2000.
Also the 2015-2016 2017 current model Royal metal uprights are made in China and don't compare to the 1980s us-made Royal machines if you ever get a chance to use one of those. Which clearly you haven't. The sound difference is like nails on a chalkboard.

Most cleaning services used bypass machines most maids in hotels and resorts use bypass machines. For good reason. Commercial vacuum sales can back those numbers up.
Just Google commercial vacuums and see how many director machines come up not many.

I know none of those are as pretty or as tactically nice as a Royal or Kirby but you can't recommend something for business based on looks and your opinion with the few amount of vacuum cleaners you've touched probably never serviced




Post# 382060 , Reply# 13   12/2/2017 at 03:22 (260 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Most of the commercial vacuums in my area are Sanitiares.There are some Royals.Again-any of these machines are simpler and quicker to maintain.Backpacks can do a great job on HARD floors-an upright is better for carpeted flooring.And they are just easier to use.No heavy machine on your back!Also the Port-A-Vacs made up by the greenville Vacuum and Sewing are catching on in the area.Churches here love themIts essentially an MD central vacuum unit mounted on a janitor cart.I have two at home and two at work.The only disadvantage to these is they clog at the inlet to the MD unit.They work well with a Volt powernozzle.I use mine with the Volt nozzle.Most of the churches here that have the Pot-O-Vacs have hard floors.The cartr allows you to carry other supplies with you as you work.This is handy at work-have two Port-O-Vacs there,too.

Post# 382064 , Reply# 14   12/2/2017 at 07:13 (260 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Heeeheeee!

Post # 10 makes me laugh. Thats the way I stare at something I also have no idea how to use. I don't tweet personally.
Sebo is great for vacuming a dusty Trumpy bear too.
Go clean house.


Post# 382077 , Reply# 15   12/2/2017 at 11:53 (260 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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@vacuumdevil:

 

Pay close attention to this video starting at 35 seconds in and continuing on and you will see that the Royal commercial vacuum is the best selling commercial vacuum in this market area.

 

Using a Direct Air machine for commercial carpet cleaning is the only way to go. Using a bypass air machine for commercial carpet cleaning is definitely not ideal especially where ease of maintenance is concerned.

 




 

 


Post# 382080 , Reply# 16   12/2/2017 at 15:05 (260 days old) by danorob1 (Central New Jersey)        

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Just a side note about the above video...

I live in New Jersey, and am only about 10-15 minutes from Keith -

Great, Great Guy - I have purchased all of my Miele's and Sebo's, and back in the day, my Royal Canister from Him -

When The Power Switch crapped out on my TOL Miele Upright, and Miele told me is was not covered by the Warranty, Keith got them to cover it for me -

If anyone lives in the area, or wants to buy on line, you can't go wrong talking with Keith -

Dan


Post# 382092 , Reply# 17   12/3/2017 at 02:19 (259 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Trump video doesn't work.Would like to see it.
For the Royal-the main problem is the NOISE-other wise its the most effective vacuum out there.The models with the 7A motors were plenty enough.the 10A models aren't that much better and make more noise.I have both.not much if any difference in ability between them.You can carry a spare belt on the bag chain.So if you blow a belt its right there-you can carry the belt lifter tool on the chain,too.I have seen a Royal sales rep deliberately pick up pennys with a Royal vacuum.It had the grey dump bag-he dumpted them out-the pennies were all bent up.Next he undid the fancase and showed us the fan-it was like only one blade on it was slightly bent.This would have destroyed a Kirby fan.At one time both vac places here had a bucket full of blown Kirby fans.They came in bunches.With any of these-I take care what I pick up.Some folks don't.


Post# 382120 , Reply# 18   12/3/2017 at 22:25 (258 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks that whole reply is a contradiction.

Post# 382128 , Reply# 19   12/4/2017 at 09:42 (258 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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@vacuumdevil:

 

It's obvious (and it's easy to tell) that you know I've been right all along about Royal and other Direct Air vacs are the best way to go for commercial cleaning. You just don't want to admit it because you're a sore loser.

 

 

 

 


Post# 382135 , Reply# 20   12/4/2017 at 12:20 (258 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks No you are completely wrong and out of reality it's not the 1960s.
Changing belts and having to use a special tool for regular maintenance is outdated and a hassle most cleaning people are unable to change a belt on the Royal.

The hassle of changing fans or even the bag on that machine is so much more difficult than modern commercial, SEBO ,Hoover or even sanitary systems. Not to mention there's no on-board accessories .

Royals commercial sales Nationwide are close to zero on direct air machines.
Again if you worked in the industry you would know these things.

I have not insulted your character I ask that you do the same.


Post# 382142 , Reply# 21   12/4/2017 at 14:35 (258 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
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Go ahead & bash the Royal Metal uprights all you want! I have seen plenty of them in use in my part of Ontario, in fact I know for certain our local library as well as the school board have Royal Metal uprights that are in current use, maintaining facilities as we speak.

If your statement about sales being close to zero was true, then why are they not only still in production, but TTI moved production to the USA from China? A company obviously isn't going to make something that doesn't sell! Maybe you should shut your big mouth until you get a job at TTI & can REALLY speak about what REALLY sells!

As for belt changing on a Royal being hard? Hah, you wish! It's no harder than a Kirby is. And I can think of LOTS of plastivac uprights that have much harder belt changes than either Kirby or Royal.

Rob



Post# 382143 , Reply# 22   12/4/2017 at 14:46 (258 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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Oh, and by the way, as for your little statement at the end:

"I have not insulted your character I ask that you do the same."

Well, Alex, maybe we SHOULD start insulting your character more! Might I remind you that you joined this site to try & get people to defend you after you made a insulting, defamatory video about the Simplicity Wonder tandem air canister, & instead the majority of the members here slammed you for it like you deserved. Ever since then, all you have done is being a nasty, rude, insulting, immature little prick! So, as far as I'm concerned, you DESERVE for both me & Stan to insult your character & get a taste of your own medicine, since you're such an expert yourself at doing it!

It's thanks to members like you that we have people leave the site & delete their accounts. We don't need that. Please, do all of us a favor, delete your account & go away!

Rob



Post# 382154 , Reply# 23   12/4/2017 at 16:50 (258 days old) by huskyvacs (Northern Indiana)        

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Rainbowvacfane2 , if you ever get rid of that vacuum to the junk pile, I'd like the Hoover logo latch off the dirt cup. Been looking everywhere for that part, but since these vacuums are still so new, there is no parts supply for them. I just got one for $30 as a new in box store return that still sells at Home Depot for $170, but it's just missing that latch.

Post# 382160 , Reply# 24   12/4/2017 at 18:17 (257 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@kirbylux77
As of right now we can no longer order metal upright home machines.
There is a reorganization going on at TTI as far as the future of Royal Vacuums in general.
Also it sounds like you have a personal problem with me please feel free to p.m. me or contact me with that hate no reason to blog up this with that.

No I've been a member of vacuum land in The Collector Community for years I have gone by different names before. But this username I've had a vacuum land long before the incident with Tacony. Who bought me two steak dinners and dessert the other day I might add.


Post# 382187 , Reply# 25   12/5/2017 at 02:29 (257 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The North Carolina Pitt County School system has a fleet of the metal Royals.Royals are often purchased by fleet owners.Same with Sanitiare-the ECU University here has a fleet of Sanitiares.Belts,brushrolls,bags,even fans easy to change on these.Most cleaning folks can do these.I hardly see any clean air machines such as Lindhaus,Windsors in my area. The Sebo dealer here sells to residential customers.And how often are the hoses and wands REALLY used on commercial uprights-keep in mind they add weight,bulk to the machine and are awkward to use--and BREAK under commercial use.So the SIMPLE,lowly direct air uprights are easier after all.The hose and tool on board upright vacuums appeal mainly to residential owners.Using the belt tool on the Royal isn't hard at all.Takes only moments to use it!

Post# 382204 , Reply# 26   12/5/2017 at 15:17 (257 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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@vacuumdevil,

 

Why would anyone want to buy a an inferior cleaning PLASTIC vacuum like the Sebo? Rob is correct. You are a sniveling, whining little snot. The new commercial Royals not only clean much better but will easily outlast a Sebo by twice the Sebo's normal lifespan.

 

You should learn not to trash all vacuum brands except the ones you sell!!! Better yet, you should crawl back under the rock you came from!!!

 

 


Post# 382207 , Reply# 27   12/5/2017 at 17:06 (257 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks first of all you owe me an apology. I have done nothing wrong to you.

I've recommended multiple brands and models that I don't sell.

We all love vacuum cleaners there's no reason for you or Rob to get so emotional.
You're entitled to your opinion and love affair with your Kirby's and Royals.

But the facts are they don't hold up in the 2017 Marketplace . Looking at any manufacturer's website will show you this.
I look forward to your apology.


Post# 382235 , Reply# 28   12/6/2017 at 09:12 (256 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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vacuumdevil:

 

You can keep looking for that apology but I don't think you're going to find it.

 

 


Post# 382283 , Reply# 29   12/7/2017 at 12:57 (255 days old) by Rainbowvacfane2 (tracy ca)        
My thoughts about royal

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Personally I have used a 14 in shake out royal and I hated it it was loud pretty awkward to use the belt did need to be replaced but didnít affect the brush roll to bad it wonít slow down to much I personally hate them and prefer to deal with the extra weight and use a Kirby ( I use a sentria at work most of the time ) this Hoover not only keeps a decent amount of airflow and power the features are amazingly simple and useful I just wish it didnít have the cord rewind

Post# 382348 , Reply# 30   12/8/2017 at 12:49 (254 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@Rainbowvacfane2 (fist bump) 🤜🤛 couldn't agree with you more.
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Post# 382532 , Reply# 31   12/11/2017 at 23:00 (250 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Actually

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I agree with a few others about the Royal. They are easier for me to take apart or maintain, they definitely clean carpets much better, and they're one of the most durable vacuums out there. We sell Royal too but we've rarely had any of them that would come in for repair and whenever I do see them come in, it's usually a simple fix like a new brushroll, a handle fork latch, or an outer bag replacement for example. Also, I've cleaned a furniture store with a Royal years ago and I never saw any belts that had ever snapped off other than regular belt changing every 6 months or so.

Post# 382561 , Reply# 32   12/12/2017 at 16:10 (250 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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panisonicvac certainly understands the value and reliability of Royal vacuums!

 

 


Post# 382645 , Reply# 33   12/14/2017 at 21:27 (247 days old) by royalfan (Chicago)        

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Wow you guys really got into it! I would have thought of administrator would have come the way you treated that guy.
Royals are great for commercial use for this probably too much extra maintenance realistically. Please don't come at me for disagreeing with you guys.


Post# 382714 , Reply# 34   12/16/2017 at 02:57 (246 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

When we get down to it--ANY vacuum cleaner used commercially is going to need MORE than average maintenance compared to one used for residential use.Belts,rollerbrushes,bags,motor brushes,and filters will need to be replaced more often.You would want a vacuum where these things can be replaced easily and at low cost.

Post# 382715 , Reply# 35   12/16/2017 at 02:58 (246 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Didn't put in my above list-cannot forget CORDS and plugs!

Post# 382777 , Reply# 36   12/17/2017 at 10:00 (245 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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The Secret with the cord on any machine used Commercially is to put the proper plug on the cord about a Foot off the machine, then use an Extension cord on it. Saves a lot of time with replacing cords...just go to the Hardware store and buy an extension cord.


Post# 382801 , Reply# 37   12/17/2017 at 16:51 (245 days old) by AmwayClearTrak (Honolulu, HI)        
Will probably get yelled at for this...

But I would recommend the Amway ClearTrak (now rebranded as the Workhorse). Here is some info about the vacuum.

-Made in the USA. This thing is built like a tank, you can abuse it all you want and it will still work fine.

-Has a silver rating from The Carpet and Rug Institute.

-Brushroll has great agitation on carpets.

-8 AMP Ametek LAMB motor.

-Nice big sized bin. Also has a clear air path were you can see the dirt coming in.

-Good airflow through the entire vacuum.

Now there are some cons with this vacuum too. The cyclone does not have a shroud since the machine was produced before Dyson designed one. So once you start to fill up towards the "max" line, fluff and hair can get it's way into the filter tray area. Sometimes hair can actually get tangled in the upper cyclone assembly so it is a good idea to check there every now and then. If you want to find out more go to this website www.cleartrak.com... . They currently sell refurbished ClearTraks for $299. Trust me though it is worth the price and it will last you a long time.


Post# 382838 , Reply# 38   12/18/2017 at 02:06 (244 days old) by huskyvacs (Northern Indiana)        

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Agree on the Royal. My elementary school had something like 40 years old low pile carpeting (and this was in 1999) and they used red and chrome Royals outfitted with magnet attachments on the front. Vacuumed the floors without worry about picking up tacks and paperclips, as those stuck to the magnet.

One time I was sitting in the library and watching the janitor vacuum, he mistakenly sucked up an entire pencil into the vacuum and it made a horrendous clattering noise and then stopped. He turned the vacuum off and dumped it out over a garbage pail and what was left of the pencil was just in many many pieces, completely destroyed. He shook the vacuum out and went right back to vacuuming and did the whole library without fail. Any vacuum that could do that and be unphased by the ordeal, I think would be pretty good.


Post# 382845 , Reply# 39   12/18/2017 at 09:24 (244 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
cords

I agree that it's much better to have a pig tail cord and then you can attach an extension cord to that. When I got my powr-flite backpack, it had the entire 50 foot cord attached to it, I'm not sure what they were thinking when they designed that, actually I would say they were not thinking at all. I cut off most of the cord and attached an industrial plug to it, now it's the way it should have been originally.
Mike


Post# 382849 , Reply# 40   12/18/2017 at 11:43 (244 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Fan damage...

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Tacks, paper clips and even a wooden pencil will not harm the robust metal fan in a metal Royal upright. I know because I own one. Beware that some larger objects such as coins may cause  damage to the fan so one should always be on the lookout for those larger objects.

 

 


Post# 382880 , Reply# 41   12/19/2017 at 01:41 (243 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I remember the "penny" test with a Royal vacuum-The pennies suffered more damage than the Royal fan did-But this is a "lab destruct test"NOT to be done at home!An occasional penny shouldn't be a problem-but you don't want to vacuum a floor covered with them!One time I vacuumed up a small piece of wood dowel with one of my Royal vacuums-Didn't think anything of it until I smelled burnt wood-like you were trying to use a DULL router bit!!!The piece of wood was caught in the Royal fan and being dragged around in the front of the fancase.Turned the machine off-pulled the plug and undid the belt.Merely turned the fan shaft backward and the piece of dowel dropped out-was burned on one side!threw it out.Royal was just fine afterward!Shows how tough these can be!!!So a softer wood pencil shouldn't be a problem!

Post# 382881 , Reply# 42   12/19/2017 at 07:27 (243 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Very seldom have to change the belt on my Royal

Post# 382934 , Reply# 43   12/20/2017 at 03:19 (242 days old) by Rainbowvacfane2 (tracy ca)        
My most used vacuum in the fleet

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I have a blue and a burgundy bagged powerforce I use the burgundy one the most I use it to clean a 3 part office every day it runs at least 2 hours for the past 2 years and she finally needs a new brushroll

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