Thread Number: 35380
/ Tag: Pre-1950 Vacuum Cleaners
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Post# 380506   11/1/2017 at 09:06 (2,339 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Picked this up from the local habitat for humanity store. Was in the back hidden with the other vacuums. Bought it for 10 bucks. At first I didn’t realize how old it was until I did my own research but it appears to be from 1945. It doesn’t look good cosmetically. I’m pretty sure I will have to replace the outer bag, the brush roll and maybe some of the trim pieces. However and very surprisingly the motor runs well. It makes no bearing noise at all. I should be able to restore it. Looks like the most difficult part will be cleaning it up and buffing the metal, my bench polisher is going to be busy.
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Post# 380508 , Reply# 1   11/1/2017 at 09:46 (2,339 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Hank,
This 505... has the foot switch and most likely the nozzle casting used on models 513 to 515, as well as the handle fork from a 514 or 515! So yes, this 505 has been rebuilt over the years! All 505s originally had black trim throughout (including the plastic Emtor bottom), but the very early 505s did not have the nozzle with the belt lifter feature. I want to say this 505 also has a 10-blade fan. Good luck restoring this! ~Ben |
Post# 380510 , Reply# 2   11/1/2017 at 10:10 (2,339 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 380533 , Reply# 3   11/1/2017 at 14:22 (2,339 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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~ Here are a couple of photos of my 505s to show the bag and trim. |
Post# 380535 , Reply# 4   11/1/2017 at 15:45 (2,339 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Thanks for the info. Yea I realized pretty quickly the machine isn’t original. The bag was the first to give that away and maybe the sound of the motor too. There is no way a machine this old and in this condition should sound as good as this one does. Anyways for the hell of it I contacted Kirby about their rebuild program. $350 not including shipping and taxes. I wonder if that’s just the labor fee or if it includes everything it may need. The machine being as unoriginal as it is I figured Kirby will end up using all new parts anyways from whatever they have on hand. So In the end if that’s the price for all of it. It may be worth it.
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Post# 380536 , Reply# 5   11/1/2017 at 15:51 (2,339 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 380569 , Reply# 6   11/2/2017 at 08:51 (2,338 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 380634 , Reply# 8   11/3/2017 at 22:56 (2,337 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Thanks for the input rob. I’m not too afraid to tackle this myself of course though I do know Kirby would do a far better job buffing it up than I can. What I will be doing is taking it apart this weekend and seeing what needs to be done with it. If the price on parts starts approaching rebuild territory I may change direction and send it in to Kirby. That’s worse case though. Between a new bag and brush roll we are already around the 50$ mark. Managed to find a similar bag for about 22 bucks on partswarehouse
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Post# 380657 , Reply# 9   11/4/2017 at 16:04 (2,336 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Tore it down this morning, was going to start buffing and hitting with a wire wheel the steel parts that are rusted, but there is alot thats going to have to be redone, the wiring is all but shot, still has the fabric sheathing on it all but its falling apart, as soon as I disconnected the switch the wires pretty much just fell off... I don't know how this thing even turned on! |
Post# 380664 , Reply# 10   11/4/2017 at 18:01 (2,336 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 380665 , Reply# 11   11/4/2017 at 18:04 (2,336 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 380666 , Reply# 12   11/4/2017 at 18:20 (2,336 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Same here Ben! I think that fan should be ok, I will include a note with the machine whenever they have me ship it out that I would prefer to keep the original fan, other than the rust there is nothing wrong with it I can see. They should be able to take care of that though and be able to reuse this fan I dont see why not. |
Post# 380854 , Reply# 14   11/7/2017 at 15:48 (2,333 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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I would do your own rebuild with original parts if I was you, since you seem handy enough to strip the motor anyway. The rebuild program doesn't make it a 100% original museum piece, only functional. You will have mismatched parts, mismatched colors, and it may look worse than it does now. They don't cater to collectors.
I have a 1927 Hoover that was rebuilt (in 1956). Even back then with that rebuild, the original bag is gone, the scissor bag hanger is gone, the original on/off switch is gone, the original cord is gone (and the wrong color), the original triangular emblem has been replaced, and the original bumper guard is gone. |
Post# 380859 , Reply# 15   11/7/2017 at 17:59 (2,333 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Post# 380873 , Reply# 16   11/7/2017 at 20:13 (2,333 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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Post# 380874 , Reply# 17   11/7/2017 at 20:23 (2,333 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 384222 , Reply# 18   1/14/2018 at 09:52 (2,265 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Got it back from Kirby. Took about 8 weeks which was accurate with what they told me originally. Sure enough they did in fact replace every non metal piece on this machine. All fasteners are brand new as well as the machine has been completely rewired. Without even factoring in my time if I had rebuilt it myself it was cheaper to have them do it. Plus unlike some have said the machine matches aside from the bag and emtor swivel door. When I was looking for parts it most surely would have been miss-matched as not every website had these tan parts, some had the green parts others had red or tan. I would’ve had to buy parts from two or three different sellers in order to get everything I needed and they would not have been the same color. They replaced the switch, fan, brush roll, outer bag, power cord, wheels, ALL TRIM, COMPLETELY REWIRED, belt lifter and the motor armature as well. I also did not include the long handle but they gave me a new one with the machine anyways!!! All in all I'm very happy with the job they did. I have a bag converter on the way that actually matches the new color scheme now that converts to FG bags.
Now that I remember I think they replaced the fan chamber as well! It had a small crack in the bottom of it maybe from something hard being flung into it, thats gone! I bet they replaced the chamber! It purrs like a kitten. Enjoy the pics. |
Post# 384232 , Reply# 19   1/14/2018 at 13:40 (2,265 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 384240 , Reply# 20   1/14/2018 at 15:34 (2,265 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Post# 384248 , Reply# 21   1/14/2018 at 20:09 (2,265 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 384267 , Reply# 22   1/14/2018 at 22:10 (2,265 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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I guess it didn't post last message.
Hank how did you get top of brush housing that shiny. I used a sanitronic 7 bag topper same color as wheels. Ben Im pretty sure 505 508 509 use 6 blade metal fan and in 1970 or a little before stopped producing 10 blade was only fan made but it's aftermarket not original. |
Post# 384278 , Reply# 23   1/15/2018 at 00:31 (2,265 days old) by jaun007 (Pretoria)   |   | |
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That is one beautiful machine |
Post# 384299 , Reply# 24   1/15/2018 at 10:42 (2,264 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Post# 384308 , Reply# 25   1/15/2018 at 15:32 (2,264 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 384309 , Reply# 26   1/15/2018 at 16:20 (2,264 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington, NC)   |   | |
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Hank! Where did you buy your block of buffing compound? Greg |
Post# 384310 , Reply# 27   1/15/2018 at 16:41 (2,264 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Greg,
Hopefully the link works, if not just put in buffing compound into ebay. Its the green one. Works well, was using the HF stuff before this is just as good and cheaper as you get ALOT more. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Rouge-Pol... |
Post# 384313 , Reply# 28   1/15/2018 at 18:57 (2,264 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Thanks Juan.
Ben I have a question I bought aftermarket 10 blade I bought for 508 and my tradition had a 10 blade metal I'm not sure it's aftermarket or not. I took all bearings and spacers off might be why they look the same but pretty sure they are not spacer and attachment spindle have to be different. Just a question my tradition 10 blade fan would that fit on d80. Hank thanks for the info I have Fetzer polish and exact same polish from harbor freight. BTW they are the exact same so if you see green red or white it does not matter where you buy it its the same thing. |
Post# 384316 , Reply# 29   1/15/2018 at 19:38 (2,264 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 384317 , Reply# 30   1/15/2018 at 19:53 (2,264 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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