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Post# 380065   10/21/2017 at 10:31 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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I have a question. Are the Miele upright vacuum sealed systems? I know the canisters are but don't know if the uprights are.

Post# 380070 , Reply# 1   10/21/2017 at 14:14 by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)        

They are. Mieles are designed for allergy sufferers. They are very expensive, even if you buy a refurb.

Post# 380075 , Reply# 2   10/21/2017 at 16:25 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Miele uprights IMHO are not their best work. They offer an upright so they don't lose that share of the market, but they're heavy and clunky to use. Kind of like Electrolux - there are some who love the Discovery II and all the variations that followed. But it was always the long tank that made them famous. Stick with a canister if you're interested in a Miele.

Post# 380089 , Reply# 3   10/21/2017 at 20:27 by rvarley (Oregon)        

+1 for the comment about heavy Miele uprights. Not horrible, but heavy. Their canisters are more thoughtfully designed.

Post# 380092 , Reply# 4   10/21/2017 at 20:57 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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Do people just not like them because they are heavy? Do they have any problems in quality? Do they clean as good as the canisters do?

Post# 380093 , Reply# 5   10/21/2017 at 21:04 by Hank (Cali)        

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I have the blue s7210. It’s a fantastic machine. Cleans very well and is sealed. Unfortunately it is fairly heavy.

Post# 380095 , Reply# 6   10/21/2017 at 21:21 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The Miele Cat & Dog upright and Jazz upright are two of the very few uprights - along with a Kirby and a Maytag - which are rated “Excellent” for carpet cleaning in Consumer Reports’ tests. Most other uprights in the top of the list only achieved a “Very Good”. So the Mieles definitely guarantee you a very well cleaned carpet - and the swivel head seems to make them easy to maneuver. It’s also got a long cord and easy-to-replace dust bag.

Post# 380097 , Reply# 7   10/21/2017 at 21:48 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Upright v Canister

While both of them are nice machines the canisters are probably the better cleaners. Why? Airflow. I believe they both use the same, or at least similar. 1200 watt vortex motors.

The uprights will automatically turn themselves down to the low pile setting (2nd most powerful) when the brushroll is switched on. So the measured airflow i've gotten from the baseplate with the brushroll active is 49.82CFM. The air paths in the uprights have many twists and turns which reduces it's flow.

A C3 canister had 64.73CFM at it's base. It's air path is going to be straighter and smoother than the uprights.

Having worked on the uprights I'd kind of like to outline the airpath in one when time (and effort) permits.

Post# 380102 , Reply# 8   10/21/2017 at 23:05 by S2_82 (Ohio)        

Just to put in my two cents.. Yes, most Miele products are very good for allergy sufferers.. however their uprights are HORRIBLE. (my own opinion) They are very awkward, hard to steer, big and clunky, and what I hated most was that swivel neck which made it that much more difficult to maneuver. What was most annoying at the time was that my dealer was really pushing me to get one. Glad I didn't.

If I had to choose between their canisters and uprights, I'd definitely go for the canister, and I'm not really even a canister person.. They're much better designed and have a less complicated air path; which means fewer clogs. I've also heard of several issues about many parts breaking prematurely.. I almost feel as though their uprights need to go back to R&D. I do not recommend!

Post# 380104 , Reply# 9   10/22/2017 at 00:16 by panasonicvac (Seattle, Washington)        

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I agree with how how heavy and difficult they are to use. And honestly in my opinion, there were some areas on the S7's that felt like it was going to break off like the handle release pedal for example.

Post# 380109 , Reply# 10   10/22/2017 at 02:01 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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The Miele upright is an amazing value! Yes it's sealed system.
But upright Vacuums are typically four people on a budget of course the canister will be better in all ways .

Post# 380113 , Reply# 11   10/22/2017 at 03:27 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Meile uprights-have one too,like my KIRBY better--the Kirby has the self propel,and cleans better.The Meile CANISTERS are better than their uprights.They should stick with their canister profiles.

Post# 380119 , Reply# 12   10/22/2017 at 06:36 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Here is an extensive review of a top-of-the-line UK version of a Miele upright by Roger “Sensotronic” - the North American versions are essentially similar, though have a manual power level dial instead of automatic suction control:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK

Post# 380120 , Reply# 13   10/22/2017 at 09:06 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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Thanks you all for your responses. I don't really mind heavy machine. I will go to my local vacuum shop and try out both.

Post# 380129 , Reply# 14   10/22/2017 at 11:27 by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)        

Miele could very well revive the Powerhouse series one day.

Post# 380136 , Reply# 15   10/22/2017 at 12:38 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Before you waste your money on a Miele upright vacuum you should watch this video then make up your mind:




Post# 380147 , Reply# 16   10/22/2017 at 18:26 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"Before you waste your money on a Miele upright vacuum you should watch this video then make up your mind"


I see, but it is without a doubt the Miele is more versatile than the clunky noisy old Kirby.

Post# 380155 , Reply# 17   10/22/2017 at 20:09 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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I am a collector of vacuums. I have many vacuums. I want a miele because every one says they are good and I never owned one. I was thinking about buying one new but I saw one on offer up for $140. It's the dynamic u1 twist. It's in good condition. I am going to check it out this Saturday. I have many Kirby vacuums and they are the best deep cleaner.

Post# 380163 , Reply# 18   10/23/2017 at 01:38 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am afraid the Clunky,noisey Kirby is MORE versatile than the Quiet Miele upright.The Kirby can be used to shampoo clean your carpets and bare floors with the Avalir.The Meile cannot.The dirt pickup is precisely why I prefer my Kirby over the Meile upright-yes,feel I wasted my money on the Miele.Again,Miele should stick with their canisters.The Powerhouse uprights made that I saw were a cheap upright marked as a Miele.The upright shown in the Kirby video replaced the Powerhouse.The dealer here did NOT recommend the Powerhouse.Again,those were made by another maker-NOT Miele.

Post# 380164 , Reply# 19   10/23/2017 at 01:42 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Miele upright I have has the electronic suction controls.You push the speed control button to adjust the suction power.You can also turn off the roller brush.

Post# 380166 , Reply# 20   10/23/2017 at 02:05 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
My Miele S7..

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is one of the best modern uprights I've ever used. The only Miele canisters that can match the S7's carpet-cleaning performance, are the $1,000+ high-end models that come with their best power nozzle. Miele's upright is highly-maneuverable, and very versatile, without the need for grabbing extra tools that aren't on the machine (excellent hard floor performance too). There's a reason it's still being treated as a benchmark for other uprights, even after being around for nearly a decade.

Post# 380169 , Reply# 21   10/23/2017 at 05:35 by rvarley (Oregon)        

Kirby may be able to do a lot of things, but it's a PITA to put on all those attachments, it's expensive if bought new and it is too high to go under most furniture. They are, however, easy to find used at pennies on the dollar at places such as pawn shops. Used Mieles aren't cheap and they aren't found at pawn shops.

Post# 380170 , Reply# 22   10/23/2017 at 06:17 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't find using the Kirby attachments difficult-better than the tug-o-war hose on the Miele!My Miele languishes at the back of my vacuum collection.My Miele canisters get more use!

Post# 380171 , Reply# 23   10/23/2017 at 06:30 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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That “powerhouse” model was made by Panasonic.

Kirby is good for cleaning lots of open carpet, but it is a nightmare around furniture, putting on the different tools require turning the machine off first, who has the time for that.

Loud, heavy, clunky, outdated, too expensive, inconvenient...The list goes on.

Kirby need to rethink their design, it has been going since the early 90s...They need to make something for the modern user...

Post# 380172 , Reply# 24   10/23/2017 at 06:36 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

I'm intrigued by both the Kirby and the Miele upright, but I have 3 floors in my house so unless I have one on each floor I have little interest in carrying either up and down stairs. I spent years carrying my DC14 up and down stairs and was so relieved when I made the switch to the easy to carry Miele cannister. Swapping Miele attachments out is so easy. Also, as mentioned, I have lots of low clearance furniture and my my SEB 236 cannister power head just fits under my bed. I don't think either of the uprights offer an easy powered solution for that.

Post# 380174 , Reply# 25   10/23/2017 at 08:46 by myvacsrock (Dayton, OH)        
"The Kirby can be used to shampoo clean your carpets"


But 'should' you? I don't think I would. Having used the shampooer in the Kirby many times, I would not use that to clean any carpet that cost anything more than builder grade. Just my opinion.

Post# 380175 , Reply# 26   10/23/2017 at 10:54 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        
The versitle indestructable Kirby

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First off, I have used my Kirby Sentria to shampoo my carpets many times and with excellent results every time.


Here are some other facts: The Kirby is made of metal and the Miele is made of plastic. The Kirby will still be in use many years after the Miele has been sent to the junkyard.


Even though the Miele is a plastic machine, it still weighs more than the all metal Kirby.


The Miele has a very complex and convoluted air path making it very prone to clogs. The Kirby is a Direct Air machine and does not suffer from this problem.


The bag latch in the Miele is prone to breaking after just a couple years of use.


The Miele is not a very good deep cleaner whereas the Kirby is a proven deep cleaning machine.


Repair parts for Miele are very expensive and sometime hard to find. Kirby parts are easily obtainable and inexpensive.


These Miele facts are evident in the following Miele Cat & Dog review:




Post# 380183 , Reply# 27   10/23/2017 at 14:30 by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
Ehhh, Sptyks...

Your Kirby bias is showing... I wouldn't say a Kirby will necessarily still be running when a Miele will be in the junkyard. The amount of Kirbys I've gotten rid of at work that were far beyond repair is pretty high. Kirby parts aren't inexpensive. Are they less than most Miele parts? Sure. But not inexpensive.

I'm not a fan of these Miele uprights by any means as my video shows, they're almost guaranteed to be a mess in the hands of a consumer. Collectors however are a different story. Many issues will be avoided when in the hands of a collector, in fact the only issue I think would be likely to happen to a collector no matter how careful would be the hose collapse.

These are finicky machines, however there is a lot worse on the market. As for those above claiming a Kirby is easier to use, I want some of what you guys are on. The Miele will clean bare floors better with the flick of a switch, still do a decent job on carpet, and have attachments you don't need to run back to the closet for and turn the machine off to put on.

Kirby and Miele uprights are both ok under the right circumstances, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. However, the amount of posts around here as of late consisting of nothing more than "ITS NOT A KIRBY DA KIRBY BETTAR1!!!11" is getting a bit tired...

Post# 380185 , Reply# 28   10/23/2017 at 15:06 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Sptyks...You are talking a load of tripe. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t recommend either machine.

Miele's cylinder cleaners are much better than their upright model, I think the Miele upright has more cons than pros in comparison.

I say if you want bagless, go for a Dyson, they do it best, if you want a bag then go with Miele or SEBO.

Kirby do have the quality, all be it, not like they used to be by any means! As I said earlier, they really need to update their product and change their sales pitch, because quite frankly, anyone that pays over a grand for that tired old design needs their head testing!

I guess Kirby want to keep their Heritage, but this is 2017, they need to get with the times, or they are going to flounder, in my opinion.

Post# 380190 , Reply# 29   10/23/2017 at 18:08 by rvarley (Oregon)        

I don't care to use the attachments on any upright. If it's attachments I need, I'll get out the canister. This is why I like the Riccar Supralight. It does not even try do double duty with all the extra hoses and attachments.

I've got a Kirby and yes, it does do deep cleaning well, but I never use the attachments. My house cleaner has no interest in using the Kirby as she finds it too big and clumsy.

I tried selling a Kirby and had to practically give it away. I've sold several Mieles and had no trouble getting top dollar.

Post# 380198 , Reply# 30   10/23/2017 at 21:11 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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So after all the replies about the upright I decided to just get the canisters. Lucky I found a used one on eBay. It was for bidding and I was the highest bidder at $127 plus free shipping. I am excited about it. It's a compact c1 electro+.

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Post# 380207 , Reply# 31   10/24/2017 at 01:52 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kirby-they should stick to what WORKS-their present designs work fine-better than most others.If it works-why change it?Something that works is NOT "outdated".
Pawnbrokers-Generally they only want DTD premium vacuums such as Kirbys,Rainbows,Filter Queen,TrisTarLux,,etc.A Miele upright or canister wouldn't interest them.

Post# 380208 , Reply# 32   10/24/2017 at 02:26 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Pictured Mile canister-you got an EXCELLENT buy-far better than the upright and will be easier to use.In my collection of canisters-have several Mieles along with one upright.The dealer here also promotes the canisters over the Miele uprights.

Post# 380212 , Reply# 33   10/24/2017 at 06:27 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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My Hoover Juniors work, doesn’t make them modern or overall better than what is available today...

You people need to look at this in the eyes of a consumer and not a collector, consumers don’t want the faffing about.

Post# 380213 , Reply# 34   10/24/2017 at 07:39 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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After many years of exploring, buying, using and researching vacuums, I personally prefer a pair of vacuums: an upright for deep cleaning carpets and a suction only canister for everything else. That’s the set up we had in the house when I was growing up - and it’s the easy way to go. Because of this, I’d love to see Miele create a bare-bones Oreck-like lightweight upright that would be an optional companion piece to their canisters...though a fan-first classic configuration, it could feature Miele’s best filtering dust bag. And cord storage where the bottom hook swivels, not the top hook.

Post# 380214 , Reply# 35   10/24/2017 at 08:10 by rvarley (Oregon)        

RE Pawn brokers - I was not getting at what types of vacuums they would accept, but rather what types of people need to use pawn brokers to get extra cash. The same type that would need pay day loans. And would be scammed into buying over priced products from door to door salesmen. Agree with AlexHoover94. I'm a collector. I have a Kirby. I enjoy using it once in a while and it does a good job. But I wouldn't buy a new one from a d2d salesman, I don't expect to ever re-sell it for much money, the attachments aren't worth the bother, it's not maneuverable, non-vacuum collectors don't want to use it nor would I on a regular basis.

Post# 380218 , Reply# 36   10/24/2017 at 09:53 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Used to own the Miele Jazz. I bought it from my best friend, who bought it and didn't like it after a few months. After being used in my home (by someone other than me) for about a year, the time had come where it wasn't being used any longer and I sold it to my good friend and fellow vacuum collector, Chase S. from Texas. He's pictured using it the day he bought it from me.

It's now on its third owner, nothing has broken on it, and Chase uses it all the time. It's still heavy and awkward to use and steer. Never had any problem with its cleaning ability. But, it's been owned by three men. If a woman had to use that beast, I can see where she would come to hate it.

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Post# 380225 , Reply# 37   10/24/2017 at 15:03 by NickTechTalk (New Jersey)        
My mom has...

A Miele Dynamic U1 which I bought for her. She was previously using whatever cheap bagless vacuum was out there. She loves the Miele, as do I. They are built well, they clean well, and have great filtration. She uses the genuine bags and I gotta say though they are a little pricey (since they are cloth HEPA bags) but they are well worth it. Every box of bags also comes with a brand new filter. In a nutshell, Miele uprights are great in my opinion, never used a canister from them though so I cannot comment on those.

Post# 380239 , Reply# 38   10/25/2017 at 03:43 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I also do the canister-upright cleaning teams.My Kirby tools---often get used on OTHER vacuums!The Kurby dust brush is EXCELLENT-use it with any canister vacuum it fits on-including my centrals.The Kirby bare floor-carpet surface tool is HORRIBLE-they should discard that design.There was a time I used my Kirby Sentria,Avalir as a "powernossle" with my MD central vacuum-best of both worlds!-BUT awkward.You needed two outlets-one for the Kirby and the other for the MD central-and on separate circuits.

Post# 380271 , Reply# 39   10/25/2017 at 22:24 by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)        

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Kirby and miele are two different machines. Why are we comparing them?

Post# 380276 , Reply# 40   10/26/2017 at 06:24 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

"Kirby and miele are two different machines. Why are we comparing them?"

US vs. Europe? Steel vs. Plastic? Old vs. New?c Non-sealed vs. Sealed? Which is Best of Best? Because people elect not to read the original question in the thread?

Not sure...

Post# 380277 , Reply# 41   10/26/2017 at 07:57 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Miele upright

When our 'Which?' magazine tested the Miele upright in its S7 guise several years ago now, it got good marks for dirt removal, and was the quietest upright on test.

Reading online reviews from UK customers, there were several grumbles:

- the weight of the machine;
- plastic cover parts falling off the retractable rear wheels;
- the main handle with integrated electrics proved not to be reliable for a few folk;
- somebody moaned about pet hair NOT being picked up. I think that was put down to the type of carpet involved.

And I'm sure someone on here had concerns regarding the accessory hose collapsing under its own suction power.

Post# 380285 , Reply# 42   10/26/2017 at 09:42 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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When it comes down to reliability, The Kirby wins hands down over the Miele upright, and that's a fact you can take to the bank.



Post# 380316 , Reply# 43   10/26/2017 at 20:23 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"When it comes down to reliability, The Kirby wins hands down over the Miele upright, and that's a fact you can take to the bank"


That statement is invalid.


I agree with others above, two completely different machines.



Post# 380322 , Reply# 44   10/27/2017 at 10:19 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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I am afraid that you are wrong. This statement is completely valid!


"When it comes down to reliability, The Kirby wins hands down over the Miele upright, and that's a fact you can take to the bank"


If these two machines were both of the same design, then their reliability numbers would be the same or similar. It is because they are of quite different design, that their reliability factor is so different. One machine (Miele) is of a very complex design and made of many plastic parts that tend to break after a relatively short time or under heavy usage.  The other machine (Kirby) is far less complex and made of mostly metal parts which stand up well over time and heavy usage.


It is because these two machines are so different in design, that one is so much more reliable than the other.






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Post# 380326 , Reply# 45   10/27/2017 at 11:46 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Different design, different sales approach, different price range...I am sorry, but I disagree, you can not compare, period.

Post# 380327 , Reply# 46   10/27/2017 at 12:30 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@sptyks we really are comparing apples and orange Gatorade here.
I would definitely say that A Miele is a simpler design. And more robust.
The reasoning behind that. No transmission. No complicated tool system. No rubber belt and wooden brush roller to wear out. Direct air motors have proven themselves over and over again. Very few users will prefer Kirby to A Miele.
The repair rate seems to be about the same from my experience.
I think the Kirby's are elegant machines I have several in my collection. Kirby's are definitely special vacuums. But comparing something that was basically designed in 1989 to something that was designed in 2008 of course the newer item is going to be better. I believe both belong in one's vacuum collection! But for the average Joe Miele U1 unbeatable value at $399.

Post# 380330 , Reply# 47   10/27/2017 at 14:00 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

Playing the devil myself here:

Please Tell us about Miele's Lifetime rebuild program.

Those wooden brush rolls you speak about, Tell us about the ease of user replacement with the Miele.

Belts, I can change a belt myself in a Kirby for $1.50, and a twist of a belt lifter, how much does it cost with a Miele?

The G series Kirbys may have the transmission, but no electronics to shut it down.

Post# 380337 , Reply# 48   10/27/2017 at 17:34 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Some people prefer the raw beauty, thick steel and ease of shade tree mechanic repair of a 1960's-something muscle-car while others prefer the creature comforts of a modern day sports car. I think a similar concept here.

Post# 380340 , Reply# 49   10/27/2017 at 20:42 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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All I know is, you can't stand in the way of progression.

Post# 380341 , Reply# 50   10/27/2017 at 21:04 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
my 2c and some info

In terms of reliability and longevity Kirby is the clear cut victor and on carpet i'd say it's the better performer due to it's much higher airflow and deeper agitation. It's also much easier to work on, and the parts don't seem as expensive. It also has an edge in versatility. I will say i'm quite dissapointed in their warranty as it's a mere 3 years and they don't even cover labor.

But the Miele wins in other catergories, it has better features like the swivel neck, sealed filtration, electronic speed control, and on board tools. It also has some of the best hard floor cleaning i've seen from an upright (excluding the use of tools) It's warranty is 7/7/1 7 year motors, 7 year casing but only 1 on everything else the nice thing is Miele covers labor.

Belt cost:
Kirby 2.99
Miele ~29.95 (about for a conversion kit) which includes the plastic case that goes around the belt

I don't see the point of arguing about which is better than which. Vacuums are not a one size fits all item. While the Kirby is undoubtedly a good quality product with some of the best carpet cleaning ability it simply is not for everyone.

Post# 380369 , Reply# 51   10/28/2017 at 12:57 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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One last thought regarding the latest Vacuum cleaner technology which the Miele upright has vs 25 year old Kirby Technology:


Why does my 25 year old Kirby G3 outclean my friend's 2 year old Miele Cat & Dog upright on carpet? This was a test that my friend and I conducted at my home last year.


He brought his Miele Cat & Dog to my place and we tested the machines by placing 1/2 cup of salt on two separate areas of my living room carpet. We rubbed the salt into the carpet. We each did ten passes over our section of carpet. He used his Miele and I used my G3. Both machines had new HEPA bags and new filters for the Miele.


After 10 passes I got my Sentria (third machine) with the Dirtmeter installed on it and put a black test pad in it. I went over each area for 2 passes with a new black test pad for each area.


The Results: The area vacuumed with the Miele had more than twice the salt on the test pad as the area vacuumed with the G3.


Conclusion: It just proves that a Vacuum cleaner made with 2015 technology will not necessarily outclean a machine made with 1991 technology. In this case it was the 1991 technology that won.



Post# 380389 , Reply# 52   10/28/2017 at 17:19 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It is not just carpet cleaning in question...the Miele is a clean fan upright, it isn’t going to perform as well.

Post# 380613 , Reply# 53   11/3/2017 at 12:29 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Miele does not haveLifetime rebuild program simply because in 20 years they'll be newer technology and the Machine is cost-effective enough to replace in that time.

Mila brush rollers and belts are designed to last a lifetime of the product and generally do.
Eliminating the need and hassle of changing a belt.

I see 2x -3x Kirby G10 vacuums in for service than I do Miele uprights.
Also there seems to be a motor bearing issue with the G10. I would argue that previous generations of Kirby's or a better value and more reliable.

Then there's price$400 to $600 new versus a #1,000. to $3,000 new.

There's also on board tools &a bypass motor that produces three times the suction with relatively close air flow .

All that being said I have more Kirby's then mieles in my collection.😀

Post# 380635 , Reply# 54   11/4/2017 at 03:32 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Kirby no matter what model-is more likely to be around after 20yrs-the Miele is not likely to be around after that.It will be in the trade in pile or the dumpster.Suction is NOT what is really important for floor-carpet cleaning---Its AIRFLOW!AIRFLOW!AIRFLOW! Which the Kirby has more of.And the Kirbys air inlet is closer to the floor than the Miele-as well as a more direct airpath.Service --Kirbys are more popular then the Miele upright.

Post# 380637 , Reply# 55   11/4/2017 at 07:01 by blackheart (North Dakota)        

"There's also on board tools &a bypass motor that produces three times the suction with relatively close air flow . "

The motor specs sure, as the vortex motor is rated for 141cfm and i've measured an avalir at 144 or 147 cfm


At the carpet nozzle where the flow matters most the Miele upright measures in at 49.82 CFM, in carpet mode, where the avalir was measured at it's nozzle at 144-147 cfm

Post# 380704 , Reply# 56   11/5/2017 at 01:27 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Miele Vortex motor reads 141CFM --this would be the motor in a lab test fixture-the CFM of the motor alone and NOT in a vacuum cleaner.This is a ongoing problem in the vacuum industry.

Post# 381001 , Reply# 57   11/9/2017 at 12:47 by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Ultimately, we can throw numbers around all day, but what really matters is what gets the dirt out of the carpet. Personally, I don't feel the Kirby is the most effective at removing things like sand, the nozzle is too wide and dilutes the machines power compared to something like a Royal with a narrower nozzle, also the brush isn't aggressive enough for my liking. I feel a Convertible or a F&G Eureka will get better results. The Miele works well, cleans well, and I feel is more aggressive on the carpet. Ultimately, I don't use a Miele or Kirby as my primary vacuum, my preference tends to be Rainbows, Riccar Radiance, Riccar central vac, that sort of thing. Machines with high airflow and aggressive agitation (not carpet shredders though).

Post# 381004 , Reply# 58   11/9/2017 at 13:33 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
I don't feel the Kirby is the most effective

. . .at removing sand.

That made me giggle.
Kirby is Gold rated with the Carpet and Rug institute as well as has an energy efficiency rating. I couldn't find Miele listed. You can buy different brushrolls for your needs, ranging from soft to brillo.

What we need to concede to is the fact that at this level we are talking grains of sand, not buckets in difference. I do, however, challenge you to do a sand test with these machines. You may just be surprised.

Post# 381113 , Reply# 59   11/11/2017 at 04:08 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The big disadvantage of the Kirby or other direct air vacuums-is that picking up large amounts of sand erodes their fans-esp plastic fans.Clean air vacuums don't have that problem.In my area clean airs like the Sebos are popular with beach homeowners.The Kirby,Sebo,Sanitaire-and others will remove sand with no problem.Like a Kirby you can get different types of brushrolls for Sebos.That way you can get one to suit your flooring and cleaning.

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