Thread Number: 35326
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Post# 380065   10/21/2017 at 10:31 (2,350 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Post# 380070 , Reply# 1   10/21/2017 at 14:14 (2,350 days old) by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)   |   | |
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They are. Mieles are designed for allergy sufferers. They are very expensive, even if you buy a refurb. |
Post# 380075 , Reply# 2   10/21/2017 at 16:25 (2,350 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Miele uprights IMHO are not their best work. They offer an upright so they don't lose that share of the market, but they're heavy and clunky to use. Kind of like Electrolux - there are some who love the Discovery II and all the variations that followed. But it was always the long tank that made them famous. Stick with a canister if you're interested in a Miele.
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Post# 380089 , Reply# 3   10/21/2017 at 20:27 (2,350 days old) by rvarley (illinois)   |   | |
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+1 for the comment about heavy Miele uprights. Not horrible, but heavy. Their canisters are more thoughtfully designed. |
Post# 380092 , Reply# 4   10/21/2017 at 20:57 (2,350 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Post# 380093 , Reply# 5   10/21/2017 at 21:04 (2,350 days old) by Hank (Cali)   |   | |
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Post# 380095 , Reply# 6   10/21/2017 at 21:21 (2,350 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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The Miele Cat & Dog upright and Jazz upright are two of the very few uprights - along with a Kirby and a Maytag - which are rated “Excellent” for carpet cleaning in Consumer Reports’ tests. Most other uprights in the top of the list only achieved a “Very Good”. So the Mieles definitely guarantee you a very well cleaned carpet - and the swivel head seems to make them easy to maneuver. It’s also got a long cord and easy-to-replace dust bag.
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Post# 380097 , Reply# 7   10/21/2017 at 21:48 (2,350 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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While both of them are nice machines the canisters are probably the better cleaners. Why? Airflow. I believe they both use the same, or at least similar. 1200 watt vortex motors.
The uprights will automatically turn themselves down to the low pile setting (2nd most powerful) when the brushroll is switched on. So the measured airflow i've gotten from the baseplate with the brushroll active is 49.82CFM. The air paths in the uprights have many twists and turns which reduces it's flow. A C3 canister had 64.73CFM at it's base. It's air path is going to be straighter and smoother than the uprights. Having worked on the uprights I'd kind of like to outline the airpath in one when time (and effort) permits. |
Post# 380104 , Reply# 9   10/22/2017 at 00:16 (2,349 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 380109 , Reply# 10   10/22/2017 at 02:01 (2,349 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 380113 , Reply# 11   10/22/2017 at 03:27 (2,349 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Meile uprights-have one too,like my KIRBY better--the Kirby has the self propel,and cleans better.The Meile CANISTERS are better than their uprights.They should stick with their canister profiles. |
Post# 380119 , Reply# 12   10/22/2017 at 06:36 (2,349 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Here is an extensive review of a top-of-the-line UK version of a Miele upright by Roger “Sensotronic” - the North American versions are essentially similar, though have a manual power level dial instead of automatic suction control:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK |
Post# 380120 , Reply# 13   10/22/2017 at 09:06 (2,349 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Post# 380129 , Reply# 14   10/22/2017 at 11:27 (2,349 days old) by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)   |   | |
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Miele could very well revive the Powerhouse series one day. |
Post# 380136 , Reply# 15   10/22/2017 at 12:38 (2,349 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 380147 , Reply# 16   10/22/2017 at 18:26 (2,349 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380155 , Reply# 17   10/22/2017 at 20:09 (2,349 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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I am a collector of vacuums. I have many vacuums. I want a miele because every one says they are good and I never owned one. I was thinking about buying one new but I saw one on offer up for $140. It's the dynamic u1 twist. It's in good condition. I am going to check it out this Saturday. I have many Kirby vacuums and they are the best deep cleaner.
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Post# 380164 , Reply# 19   10/23/2017 at 01:42 (2,348 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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The Miele upright I have has the electronic suction controls.You push the speed control button to adjust the suction power.You can also turn off the roller brush. |
Post# 380166 , Reply# 20   10/23/2017 at 02:05 (2,348 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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is one of the best modern uprights I've ever used. The only Miele canisters that can match the S7's carpet-cleaning performance, are the $1,000+ high-end models that come with their best power nozzle. Miele's upright is highly-maneuverable, and very versatile, without the need for grabbing extra tools that aren't on the machine (excellent hard floor performance too). There's a reason it's still being treated as a benchmark for other uprights, even after being around for nearly a decade.
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Post# 380170 , Reply# 22   10/23/2017 at 06:17 (2,348 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I don't find using the Kirby attachments difficult-better than the tug-o-war hose on the Miele!My Miele languishes at the back of my vacuum collection.My Miele canisters get more use! |
Post# 380171 , Reply# 23   10/23/2017 at 06:30 (2,348 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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That “powerhouse” model was made by Panasonic.
Kirby is good for cleaning lots of open carpet, but it is a nightmare around furniture, putting on the different tools require turning the machine off first, who has the time for that. Loud, heavy, clunky, outdated, too expensive, inconvenient...The list goes on. Kirby need to rethink their design, it has been going since the early 90s...They need to make something for the modern user... |
Post# 380175 , Reply# 26   10/23/2017 at 10:54 (2,348 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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First off, I have used my Kirby Sentria to shampoo my carpets many times and with excellent results every time.
Here are some other facts: The Kirby is made of metal and the Miele is made of plastic. The Kirby will still be in use many years after the Miele has been sent to the junkyard.
Even though the Miele is a plastic machine, it still weighs more than the all metal Kirby.
The Miele has a very complex and convoluted air path making it very prone to clogs. The Kirby is a Direct Air machine and does not suffer from this problem.
The bag latch in the Miele is prone to breaking after just a couple years of use.
The Miele is not a very good deep cleaner whereas the Kirby is a proven deep cleaning machine.
Repair parts for Miele are very expensive and sometime hard to find. Kirby parts are easily obtainable and inexpensive.
These Miele facts are evident in the following Miele Cat & Dog review:
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Post# 380185 , Reply# 28   10/23/2017 at 15:06 (2,348 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Sptyks...You are talking a load of tripe. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t recommend either machine. Miele's cylinder cleaners are much better than their upright model, I think the Miele upright has more cons than pros in comparison. I say if you want bagless, go for a Dyson, they do it best, if you want a bag then go with Miele or SEBO. Kirby do have the quality, all be it, not like they used to be by any means! As I said earlier, they really need to update their product and change their sales pitch, because quite frankly, anyone that pays over a grand for that tired old design needs their head testing! I guess Kirby want to keep their Heritage, but this is 2017, they need to get with the times, or they are going to flounder, in my opinion. |
Post# 380198 , Reply# 30   10/23/2017 at 21:11 (2,348 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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So after all the replies about the upright I decided to just get the canisters. Lucky I found a used one on eBay. It was for bidding and I was the highest bidder at $127 plus free shipping. I am excited about it. It's a compact c1 electro+.
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Post# 380208 , Reply# 32   10/24/2017 at 02:26 (2,347 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Pictured Mile canister-you got an EXCELLENT buy-far better than the upright and will be easier to use.In my collection of canisters-have several Mieles along with one upright.The dealer here also promotes the canisters over the Miele uprights. |
Post# 380212 , Reply# 33   10/24/2017 at 06:27 (2,347 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380213 , Reply# 34   10/24/2017 at 07:39 (2,347 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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After many years of exploring, buying, using and researching vacuums, I personally prefer a pair of vacuums: an upright for deep cleaning carpets and a suction only canister for everything else. That’s the set up we had in the house when I was growing up - and it’s the easy way to go. Because of this, I’d love to see Miele create a bare-bones Oreck-like lightweight upright that would be an optional companion piece to their canisters...though a fan-first classic configuration, it could feature Miele’s best filtering dust bag. And cord storage where the bottom hook swivels, not the top hook.
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Post# 380218 , Reply# 36   10/24/2017 at 09:53 (2,347 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Used to own the Miele Jazz. I bought it from my best friend, who bought it and didn't like it after a few months. After being used in my home (by someone other than me) for about a year, the time had come where it wasn't being used any longer and I sold it to my good friend and fellow vacuum collector, Chase S. from Texas. He's pictured using it the day he bought it from me.
It's now on its third owner, nothing has broken on it, and Chase uses it all the time. It's still heavy and awkward to use and steer. Never had any problem with its cleaning ability. But, it's been owned by three men. If a woman had to use that beast, I can see where she would come to hate it.
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Post# 380271 , Reply# 39   10/25/2017 at 22:24 (2,346 days old) by Evilvacuumman (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Post# 380276 , Reply# 40   10/26/2017 at 06:24 (2,345 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)   |   | |
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"Kirby and miele are two different machines. Why are we comparing them?" US vs. Europe? Steel vs. Plastic? Old vs. New?c Non-sealed vs. Sealed? Which is Best of Best? Because people elect not to read the original question in the thread? Not sure... |
Post# 380285 , Reply# 42   10/26/2017 at 09:42 (2,345 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 380316 , Reply# 43   10/26/2017 at 20:23 (2,345 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380322 , Reply# 44   10/27/2017 at 10:19 (2,344 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Alex,
I am afraid that you are wrong. This statement is completely valid!
"When it comes down to reliability, The Kirby wins hands down over the Miele upright, and that's a fact you can take to the bank"
If these two machines were both of the same design, then their reliability numbers would be the same or similar. It is because they are of quite different design, that their reliability factor is so different. One machine (Miele) is of a very complex design and made of many plastic parts that tend to break after a relatively short time or under heavy usage. The other machine (Kirby) is far less complex and made of mostly metal parts which stand up well over time and heavy usage.
It is because these two machines are so different in design, that one is so much more reliable than the other.
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Post# 380326 , Reply# 45   10/27/2017 at 11:46 (2,344 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380327 , Reply# 46   10/27/2017 at 12:30 (2,344 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@sptyks we really are comparing apples and orange Gatorade here.
I would definitely say that A Miele is a simpler design. And more robust. The reasoning behind that. No transmission. No complicated tool system. No rubber belt and wooden brush roller to wear out. Direct air motors have proven themselves over and over again. Very few users will prefer Kirby to A Miele. The repair rate seems to be about the same from my experience. I think the Kirby's are elegant machines I have several in my collection. Kirby's are definitely special vacuums. But comparing something that was basically designed in 1989 to something that was designed in 2008 of course the newer item is going to be better. I believe both belong in one's vacuum collection! But for the average Joe Miele U1 unbeatable value at $399. |
Post# 380337 , Reply# 48   10/27/2017 at 17:34 (2,344 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)   |   | |
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Some people prefer the raw beauty, thick steel and ease of shade tree mechanic repair of a 1960's-something muscle-car while others prefer the creature comforts of a modern day sports car. I think a similar concept here. |
Post# 380340 , Reply# 49   10/27/2017 at 20:42 (2,344 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380341 , Reply# 50   10/27/2017 at 21:04 (2,344 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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In terms of reliability and longevity Kirby is the clear cut victor and on carpet i'd say it's the better performer due to it's much higher airflow and deeper agitation. It's also much easier to work on, and the parts don't seem as expensive. It also has an edge in versatility. I will say i'm quite dissapointed in their warranty as it's a mere 3 years and they don't even cover labor.
But the Miele wins in other catergories, it has better features like the swivel neck, sealed filtration, electronic speed control, and on board tools. It also has some of the best hard floor cleaning i've seen from an upright (excluding the use of tools) It's warranty is 7/7/1 7 year motors, 7 year casing but only 1 on everything else the nice thing is Miele covers labor. Belt cost: Kirby 2.99 Miele ~29.95 (about for a conversion kit) which includes the plastic case that goes around the belt I don't see the point of arguing about which is better than which. Vacuums are not a one size fits all item. While the Kirby is undoubtedly a good quality product with some of the best carpet cleaning ability it simply is not for everyone. |
Post# 380369 , Reply# 51   10/28/2017 at 12:57 (2,343 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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One last thought regarding the latest Vacuum cleaner technology which the Miele upright has vs 25 year old Kirby Technology:
Why does my 25 year old Kirby G3 outclean my friend's 2 year old Miele Cat & Dog upright on carpet? This was a test that my friend and I conducted at my home last year.
He brought his Miele Cat & Dog to my place and we tested the machines by placing 1/2 cup of salt on two separate areas of my living room carpet. We rubbed the salt into the carpet. We each did ten passes over our section of carpet. He used his Miele and I used my G3. Both machines had new HEPA bags and new filters for the Miele.
After 10 passes I got my Sentria (third machine) with the Dirtmeter installed on it and put a black test pad in it. I went over each area for 2 passes with a new black test pad for each area.
The Results: The area vacuumed with the Miele had more than twice the salt on the test pad as the area vacuumed with the G3.
Conclusion: It just proves that a Vacuum cleaner made with 2015 technology will not necessarily outclean a machine made with 1991 technology. In this case it was the 1991 technology that won.
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Post# 380389 , Reply# 52   10/28/2017 at 17:19 (2,343 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 380613 , Reply# 53   11/3/2017 at 12:29 (2,337 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@Kirbysthebest
Miele does not haveLifetime rebuild program simply because in 20 years they'll be newer technology and the Machine is cost-effective enough to replace in that time. Mila brush rollers and belts are designed to last a lifetime of the product and generally do. Eliminating the need and hassle of changing a belt. I see 2x -3x Kirby G10 vacuums in for service than I do Miele uprights. Also there seems to be a motor bearing issue with the G10. I would argue that previous generations of Kirby's or a better value and more reliable. Then there's price$400 to $600 new versus a #1,000. to $3,000 new. There's also on board tools &a bypass motor that produces three times the suction with relatively close air flow . All that being said I have more Kirby's then mieles in my collection.😀 |
Post# 380637 , Reply# 55   11/4/2017 at 07:01 (2,336 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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"There's also on board tools &a bypass motor that produces three times the suction with relatively close air flow . "
The motor specs sure, as the vortex motor is rated for 141cfm and i've measured an avalir at 144 or 147 cfm BUT At the carpet nozzle where the flow matters most the Miele upright measures in at 49.82 CFM, in carpet mode, where the avalir was measured at it's nozzle at 144-147 cfm |
Post# 380704 , Reply# 56   11/5/2017 at 01:27 (2,335 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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The Miele Vortex motor reads 141CFM --this would be the motor in a lab test fixture-the CFM of the motor alone and NOT in a vacuum cleaner.This is a ongoing problem in the vacuum industry. |
Post# 381001 , Reply# 57   11/9/2017 at 12:47 (2,331 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)   |   | |
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Ultimately, we can throw numbers around all day, but what really matters is what gets the dirt out of the carpet. Personally, I don't feel the Kirby is the most effective at removing things like sand, the nozzle is too wide and dilutes the machines power compared to something like a Royal with a narrower nozzle, also the brush isn't aggressive enough for my liking. I feel a Convertible or a F&G Eureka will get better results. The Miele works well, cleans well, and I feel is more aggressive on the carpet. Ultimately, I don't use a Miele or Kirby as my primary vacuum, my preference tends to be Rainbows, Riccar Radiance, Riccar central vac, that sort of thing. Machines with high airflow and aggressive agitation (not carpet shredders though).
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