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Post# 377995   9/6/2017 at 16:43 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        

I had Tom bring me a brand new Simplicity Wonder, I have used only vintage for many years, and I thought it would be nice to have something new to keep down wear and tear on my old machines,First impressions are that I like it, its quiet, very powerful, light weight and maneuverable,The power head works wonderfully and is has good quality tools, I only wish it did not have the pistol grip hose.I don't rally object to it, it may grow on me, overall pretty good.




Post# 378001 , Reply# 1   9/6/2017 at 17:36 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Ooooh.

Which model did you get? Tandem air?

Post# 378019 , Reply# 2   9/6/2017 at 19:52 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Wonder

I wanted something small and light.

Post# 378022 , Reply# 3   9/6/2017 at 20:07 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Right.

But there are 5 models, straight suction w/ turbine, compact nozzle, full sized nozzle, tandem air deluxe, and the tandem air premium.

Post# 378042 , Reply# 4   9/6/2017 at 23:47 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Full sized nozzle

Wonder Power Team canister.

Post# 378057 , Reply# 5   9/7/2017 at 09:21 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
prima and woondder models

Actually, I thought it was straight suction, mini power nozzle, two strip full size power nozzle, three strip power nozzle with dirt senser, and tandom air.
Mike


Post# 378077 , Reply# 6   9/7/2017 at 18:32 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Mike.

To my knowledge the 3 row dirt sensor power head is no longer offered in the current line of of wonders. I know it was offered with the buildable previous generation. I suppose there's really no point now that a tandem air head is offered.

Post# 378085 , Reply# 7   9/7/2017 at 23:37 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
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I just checked on both the Simplicity & Riccar websites, & there are only 4 models now - straight suction, turbo brush, two brush full size pn, & tandem air. There is no compact pn model listed, although if you look in the accessories it shows up separately. The tandem air premium model has yet to show up on either website.

If the compact pn model is being phased out, Tacony is being foolish & should reconsider. That model would be direct competition for the Miele C1 Titan & Delphi. Lots of people with hardwood floors & a couple area rugs would buy a canister vacuum like that if it was priced right. Hardwood with area rugs is the new trend & what most people are doing now.

I highly doubt there will be 2 tandem air models. My guess is that once the premium tandem air model with the lifetime belt comes out, the current tandem air model will be discontinued.

As for the 3 brush full size pn with dirt sensor being pointless now that the tandem air is available? I disagree with you on that. The pn that should have been axed is the 2 brush model. That brushroll is wimpy in comparison to the 3 brush pn, & there are plenty of people who would want the dirt sensor feature. In fact, it's one reason why I purchased my Simplicity Gusto. The other thing is, although the tandem air powerhead is nice, one HUGE disadvantage it has is the powerhead's height - it is too big to get under beds & other low furniture easily. Since that's a reason why consumers would buy a powerhead canister over a upright, many people would prefer the full size 3 brush pn model. As much as I like the tandem air technology, I do sincerely hope that Tacony redesigns the hood & reduces the height of the tandem air powerhead when they bring out the lifetime belt model.

Rob


Post# 378089 , Reply# 8   9/8/2017 at 02:18 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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Post# 378093 , Reply# 9   9/8/2017 at 04:20 by blackheart (North Dakota)        

The compact nozzle one doesn't show up under straight suction or full size power nozzzle if you click canisters you're shown the full line. I think Miele is discontinuing their compact nozzle. Their lineup has been changing often so I cannot be sure but I don't see any SEB-217s on any vacuum in their current lineup.

Now as for the deluxe and premium. It does take a little for the models to show up on the site. The premium was a pretty recent release. We received ours 2 weeks ago now. They've been on order for months, waiting for them to be released. I've seen full line up charts for the wonder and it shows both the deluxe and premium. The major difference is the belts. The deluxe has a stretch belt, and the premium has a lifetime belt. The premium also includes additional tools like the turbine brush, and the doom for your broom tool. there's a price difference of about $200 between the deluxe and premium. We haven't purchased any deluxes as we felt it was a poor idea to put a stretch belt on such an expensive vacuum. I suppose though if someone really doesn't want to pay the $200 extra we could always order it in for them....


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Post# 378096 , Reply# 10   9/8/2017 at 06:56 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Mine

Has the geared lifetime belt.

Post# 378100 , Reply# 11   9/8/2017 at 09:39 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
stretch belt

I'm not sure why Tacony decided to put a stretch belt on a Tandom nozzle either. While the volt is a great nozzle, this is one flaw that was in the design. I guess the premium version will be added to the web site at some point, but it appears that the mini power nozzle and three brush strip power nozzle are no longer there. I really hope they come out with a universal version of the premium tandom air nozzle that could be used with a central vacuum, I would buy that for sure! I think their current version of the universal power nozzle, which I have, is the same as the two brush strip nozzle for the Prima and Wonder. I would not say it's wimpy though, it's a very good metal brush roll and it cleans very well, it cleans as well if not better than the other central vacuum power nozzles that are available.
Mike


Post# 378109 , Reply# 12   9/8/2017 at 14:21 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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It's not silly...I bought a used lightweight Simplicity upright last year. Real nice to use, and lightweight! I like to use it.when I go out on Shampoo jobs

Post# 378132 , Reply# 13   9/9/2017 at 03:11 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I just got the Simplicity Tandem Air Premium yesterday at the vac shop-was there talking to Mike-when I arrived the Fed Express man hadn't come yet---then a few moments later there he was in the semi.The Wonder was packed on a pallet with a couple dozen Simplicity Freedoms.The Wonder was the first to be unpacked.So far think this machine is going to be a go to vacuum.Its small,light,well made,has a large bag for the size of the machine.A try at the vac shop and my house shows it picks up good with the tandem air nozzle.Would like to see if that nozzle can be connected to other machines like the Volt!The Simplicity that was reviewed-and negative =-with the loose hose strain releifs-mine are fine.I am going to use the vacuum more to see how it goes.Need to get some bags for it since no extras came with it.There should have been another bag packed with it since this does dig up dirt other vacuums leave behind.The canister is almost as quiet as my Lux Platinum.And I like the click sound as stuff goes thru the nozzle fan-you get good feedback as it picks up debris.So--this machine truly combines an upright and canister as one!

Post# 378155 , Reply# 14   9/9/2017 at 15:51 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Hope you're close to your warranty center. God knows you're going to need it with the first run of the Tacony product. Hopefully you have better luck with this product than I have had.


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Post# 378157 , Reply# 15   9/9/2017 at 17:35 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
pairing the prima and wonder with the volt

You could use the volt with this machine if you use the hose adapter that I think comes in the box, however, if you have the premium tandom air nozzle, there would be no reason to do this since the premium tandom air nozzle is probably more powerful. As far as Tacony's products, I have a Prima, a Simplicity Gusto and the Riccar central vacuum power nozzle and have had no problems with any of them. I think Tacony does take their quality seriously, and I think the Prima and Wonder are great machines and would not hesitate to recommend them.
Mike


Post# 378171 , Reply# 16   9/10/2017 at 01:47 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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n0oxy do you work for Tacony? They definitely make an honest effort. By the end of the day the quality seems to be on par with TTI. That would be all good and fine if they weren't asking five or six hundred dollars but at $900 to $1,200 street price you can get products that are much better and you don't have to take my word for it. Look at their consumer canister ratings. We know the pig tails and necks are bound to fail on existing Tacony powerheads. They have had hose issues and circuit board issues on the 1800 and 1700 series canisters. The bagcheck light didn't work for the first year of production on Stine.1 canisters. Just the name some of the common things I can think of off the top of my head.
In conclusion Tacony products are of fair quality after they've had time to work out the bugs. But their retail price to me, put them closer to the bottom the list of products I would buy or recommend.
All of these things are non issues for manufacturers like Lindhouse ,SEBO,and Miele who are all in the same price range both wholesale and Retail


Post# 378172 , Reply# 17   9/10/2017 at 02:41 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

We get linked to the video shown and discussed before.Time will tell with my Wonder-I am going to give it a chance-I think the canister quality of the Wonder is really BETTER than the Mieles that I have-the dealer that sold me the Wonder is also a Miele and Sebo dealer.He thinks the same as me.Since this is a new vacuum it will have to have time in the wild to see how it goes.The bag cover hinges on the Wonder are heavier and sturdier than the Miele.The pet hair tool is rather weird.Hard to surmise how its supposed to work.The crevice tool is stumpy-LONG crevice tools are more useful.Yes,I feel a better tool storage on this machine would be better and would match its price.The power nozzle on this runs from 120V@2Aso its about like the Volt.I might see if I could try to use the 120V powernozzle of the Wonder with other canisters that have the 120V connections.The booster fan is something other powernozzles don't have at it DOES dig up more dirt.I have other Tacony cleaners with the metal brushrolls with replaceable strips-I have had no problems with them.

Post# 378183 , Reply# 18   9/10/2017 at 08:58 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
working for Tacony

I don't work for Tacony, and I can't speak for anyone else, I'm not saying they have not had quality issues, all I can say is that I have had no problems with their products.
Getting the Wonder tandom air nozzle to work with other vacuums would be an interesting experiment. You would first need to change the neck size since it's a bit larger than a 1.25 diameter. I think Tacony should offer the premium tandom air nozzle in a universal central vacuum version, that would be awesome. The volt works well but the 120 volt tandom nozzle probably has a more powerful motor.
Mike


Post# 378229 , Reply# 19   9/11/2017 at 03:40 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Volt appears to have a more powerful motor than the nozzle that came with my Wonder-in listening to it run while using it yesterday-the brushroll in the Wonder nozzle runs slower-and the headlight isn't as bright.Will use it some more and run the Volt side-by-side to be sure.

Post# 378236 , Reply# 20   9/11/2017 at 08:46 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
If you could

Only get a normal hose instead of that awkward pistol grip monstrosity, every thing else is great.

Post# 378239 , Reply# 21   9/11/2017 at 09:39 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
pistol grip

I actually thought it was a gas pump grip, most power nozzle canisters have this type of handle, the only one I know of that doesn't is the hose for the Aerus classic models.
Mike


Post# 378277 , Reply# 22   9/11/2017 at 22:55 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
You have to remember

I as a rule ,use nothing newer than 35 years old, most of my vacuums are 40 to 50 plus years old, whatever you call that style handle its clunky.

Post# 378655 , Reply# 23   9/19/2017 at 07:22 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
I have been using

A C- 6 Compact for a few days, and the Simplicity is back in the box, LOL, I guess if you have never used a real top quality vintage vacuum in like new shape, new stuff would have a appeal, but try as I might, I just cant get past the fact its new.

Post# 378673 , Reply# 24   9/19/2017 at 20:35 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Hmm...better box up the compact and send it up here so you can enjoy the Simplicity! Give me a ring at some point and we can discuss it LOL

Post# 378679 , Reply# 25   9/19/2017 at 23:56 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
The Compact aint goin

No where!!LOL

Post# 378706 , Reply# 26   9/20/2017 at 18:53 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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LOL good machines though. I use a Tristar for my Bench Vac.




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