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Post# 377210   8/23/2017 at 14:52 by paulinroyton (Royton, Lancashire)        

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Post# 377211 , Reply# 1   8/23/2017 at 14:54 by paulinroyton (Royton, Lancashire)        
Miele new wattage from Sep 2017

In accordance with new EU Legislation, there will be changes to our vacuum
cleaner range in September. The wattage of our PowerLine models will be
reduced from 1200W to 900W, whilst our EcoLine models will see
a reduction from 800W to 500W.


Post# 377230 , Reply# 2   8/24/2017 at 14:59 by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)        
It is too bad :-(

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900W's? Most will have like 700W's. One of my favoriate vacuums, the Thomas Crooser, has 1200W's. I have seen the same one at 350W's fore sale these days. You can kiss your lucky star that you are leaving EU. But vacuumwise it will most likely not change anything.

What power will Miele have in the States? I cannot believe that a Miele U1 will have any mentionable airflow with a power of 900W's. It struggles with it at 1500W's already. Sorry for the rant and you may not share my views on UK leaving. I post this anyway.


Post# 377272 , Reply# 3   8/26/2017 at 09:28 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Some of the best vacuums ever built in the USA used 575 watts. I'm talking about the Electrolux of course. From the model 30 through the Diamond Jubilee, the Electrolux motor (which was MORE than powerful enough) didn't consume tons of electricity.

My favorite vacuum of all time, the Air-Way model 88 Mark II with RugMaster Power Nozzle consumed just 900 watts. And that's a 2 motor set up.

My second favorite vacuum of all time, the Rainbow model D consumes 700 watts, with amazing, constant airflow and suction.

The USA never had vacuums that used over 1200 watts that I'm aware of. We are restricted by 1500 watt circuit breakers and 120 volts max.


Post# 377273 , Reply# 4   8/26/2017 at 09:29 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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I meant to say "from the model 30 through the Golden Jubilee". I know the watts went up when Electrolux invented the Super J motor.

Post# 377280 , Reply# 5   8/26/2017 at 10:59 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Tom,

 

I think you may have confused Watts with Amps.

 

The most powerful vacuums in the US are restricted to 12 Amps which is equal to 1440 watts. The formula is:  Volts x Amps = Watts. Therefore 120 volts times 12 amps = 1440 watts.


Post# 377308 , Reply# 6   8/27/2017 at 02:47 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Some wet-dry vacuums use motors that are over 12A I have one-the Tornado "task Force" model that I bought from WW Garinger-15A@120V 1800Wand this does have a NEMA 15A plug.You could go higher--just equip the vacuum with a NEMA 20A plug and an 18-20A motor.When I repaired power tools part time,worked on Black&Decker,Milwaukee concrete core drills-these used those motor units.Could bore up to 24" in concrete.When I finshed repairing them-you needed to plug the unit into THREE outlets-one 20A for the drill motor-another 15A for the vacuum pump to hold the machine to the floor-and the last pump-the coolant pump.I tried one of these-leaned on the feed handle-they work like a regular shop drill press-and pulled 20A the bit eating thru the concrete-making mud from the cuttings.The motor didn't even get warm.The communtators in both the BD and Milwaukee were almost 2 in wide and used two 1 in wide brushes on each side.Also these motors were used on magnetic drill presses-for boring pipe and large metal pieces too big to put on a shop drill press.You used a 20A outlet for the motor-another for the electromagnet.They could bore up to 3" holes with conventional drills even larger with hole saw drills.These were fun to work on!There was an ammeter on the motor control box you plugged the motor into-then the box plugged into the outlet.

Post# 377322 , Reply# 7   8/27/2017 at 09:05 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
motor wattage

Since the United States uses 120 volts, the motor wattages probably never got as high as they did in Europe, although 240 volts is actually more efficient. With 120 volt motors, they draw more amps. As Tom said, 900 watts should be enough to clean just about anything. I think the model 88 airway uses an Ametek motor that I am quite fond of, I have a compact C6 that has the same motor and it has no problem cleaning anything. I also have an Electrolux 1205 which uses the 575 watt motor, again, no problems with cleaning. The newest Numatic Henry uses a 620 watt motor, it's very quiet but very powerful. As long as there is enough suction and airflow to pick up the dirt, the machine has enough power. And, many of the lower watt motors sound much better than the high power screaming jet motors that are so common in vacuums now. In the United States, the motor used in the Miele canisters is 1200 watts.
Mike


Post# 377369 , Reply# 8   8/28/2017 at 12:29 by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)        
Me correcting me

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In Europe they used Wattage as a sells pitch before 2014. The consumer was led to believe that the higher the wattage (or amps) the better the performance. Not true of course. So I concur in that respect. I also think that the placement of the motor matters. If it is in the nozzle (direct air) you will need significantly less power than a canister clean air. However for a canister I do believe you will need more than 440 watts (an Oreck I have with direct air has that) when cleaning bare floors.

My experience with low wattage high quality canisters has not always been to my satisfaction. I am not defending the old European 2200 watt vacuums, how can I. My preference for hard floors is that 1200 Watts will be sufficient. For my rugs even less. I turn down the power when I do my rugs with a powerbrush, as low as 150 Watts. What I noticed is that my low wattage canisters (900 W or less) will do the job on the hard floors, but it will take much more time.

Well, as I mop my floors weekly I probably should not complain as regardless of vacuum, the water becomes grey/braun. And yes my Vorwerk (700 W) does just as good a work on the hard floors as any of my high Wattage vacuums, due to the airpath (being straight, short and the Hepa located in the bag).




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Post# 377387 , Reply# 9   8/28/2017 at 18:34 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Motor design

Do the new lower powered cylinder machines still have a single fan?

Or have they reverted back to twin fan design?


Post# 377389 , Reply# 10   8/28/2017 at 20:38 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
two stage motors

Unfortunately two stage motors are very rare now, I actually like the two stage motors better, they don't have that screaming sound and they are more efficient, they can do just as well without spinning as fast.
Mike


Post# 377439 , Reply# 11   8/29/2017 at 11:21 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
"they don't have that screaming sound..."

Exactly. They were generally more refined in noise levels, but they weighed a bit more.

You would think that modern aerospace technologies might allow them to design a two-stage motor which is lighter than the older types.

I was also under the impression that Electrolux of Sweden (UK/Europe) managed to make a fairly lightweight twin-fan motor for their cleaners back in the 1980s.


Post# 377983 , Reply# 12   9/6/2017 at 15:36 by gibsonlp (Unknown)        
Miele Motors

I have an S5 super air clean 2200w and I have a Miele Big Cat & Dog 1600w with the twin fan motor and whilst the S5 has greater suction the older Miele isn't far behind and it sounds a lot better just like an older Electrolux Z345. I prefer the older as it's better to vacuum up with and the quality is much better!




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