Thread Number: 34128
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
What's Most Important To You: Filtration, Airflow, or Ergonomics? |
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Post# 369798   4/2/2017 at 13:49 (2,552 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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You are only allowed to pick one (please play along). And please give at least a 1 sentence reason for your choice.
Let's define what each one means in this case: 1) Filtration: Miele and Rainbow videos constantly tout their exhaust filtration, so that's what I would like to concentrate on. In fact one Miele video I saw proudly claimed, "filtration is THE most important thing when considering a vacuum". So to reiterate, filtration is referring to the quality of the exhaust, not dust/dirt separation of the bag/cyclones. 2) Airflow: The almighty CFM from the nozzle head is what we're referring to. Dirty air machines typically have the most and bag less machines the least. 3) Ergonomics: In other words, usability. How well does a machine have to fit the typical user's ability to feel good when using the vacuum. My answer: Airflow wins every time until there comes a time when I can no longer physically handle the most powerful beasts any longer. I hope to be the only 100 year old man still pathetically attempting to push a Kirby Heritage II Legend and a 70's Hoover Custom Convertible if only to prove just how wimpy a society we've become. Bill |
Post# 369800 , Reply# 1   4/2/2017 at 13:59 (2,552 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 369851 , Reply# 5   4/2/2017 at 22:28 (2,551 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 369891 , Reply# 7   4/3/2017 at 10:54 (2,551 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 369897 , Reply# 8   4/3/2017 at 12:26 (2,551 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Airflow is most important to me. I feel like so many companies like Dyson and Shark tout their filtration and ease of use, but their airflow really suffers due to all of the paths and tubes on them. Kirby is a great vacuum that nails two of the aspects right on the head. It has excellent airflow and it's Micron Magic filtration system is top of the line. However the newer units with TechDrive PowerAssist and Toe Touch Control are harder for some people to use. Don't get me wrong, I love Kirby, but it is confusing for non experienced users. The one company I think nails all three right on the head is Aerus Electrolux. Their products have excellent airflow, a four ply filter bag and no fancy bells and whistles to confuse people. Their machines, like Kirby's, are extremely durable.
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Post# 369908 , Reply# 9   4/3/2017 at 13:54 (2,551 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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Ergonomics first for me. I have a Kirby Sentria II that I bought brand new but rarely use these days as it is much quicker and easier to vacuum the house with my cylinder Miele C3 Cat & Dog. Noise level is also an issue for me.... I much prefer the silent power of the Miele. |
Post# 369922 , Reply# 10   4/3/2017 at 19:01 (2,550 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 369949 , Reply# 11   4/4/2017 at 02:17 (2,550 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I feel that all THREE of these work together to make the vacuum work for you. |
Post# 370013 , Reply# 12   4/4/2017 at 13:38 (2,550 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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I'll say airflow, but it has to be qualified.
When the machine is down on the carpet, properly adjusted and in cleaning mode, the airflow through the machine is important as it removes the dirt which the brush roll beats and sweeps out. When the machine is not on the carpet, airflow is unimportant. That's why I consider Kirby's 'suction tester' plate that covers the bottom, as well as the Baird meter, to be 'tricks'. That's one reason I have a Vacuflo central vacuum - nothing to stop that all-important airflow. |
Post# 370016 , Reply# 13   4/4/2017 at 14:07 (2,550 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 370018 , Reply# 14   4/4/2017 at 14:08 (2,550 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 370029 , Reply# 15   4/4/2017 at 14:51 (2,550 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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When cleaning things other than flooring, like drapes, couches, etc?
BTW, Tom if you are able, can you enlighten me with two things from your VacuFlow central vacuum. 1) What are the motor specs (or what's the make and model of the motor and I can look them up I suppose) 2) And what does a Baird meter (or other anemometer) read when connected to the end of your hide-a-hose? I'd like to see how much airflow is lost from the motor through all your piping to the end on the hose. Bill |
Post# 370487 , Reply# 16   4/11/2017 at 13:36 (2,543 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)   |   | |
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Post# 370541 , Reply# 17   4/12/2017 at 09:25 (2,542 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 371822 , Reply# 18   5/6/2017 at 03:00 (2,518 days old) by Shrink1982 (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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I think agitation should have been added to the options. For me, airflow and agitation are the most important. Why? Because without proper cleaning ability, there won't be any dust to put into the air. The vacuum must clean well before we can consider filtration and ergonomics.
I am looking forward to getting the Maytag 1200 as it follows Riccar's tandem air model. Not only does it have a bypass motor, it also has a dirty fan motor, that, when combined provides powerful suction at the floor and though the hose. It also agitates well. I am not sure on the ergonomics. It is a but old fashioned in regard to the style. Many uprights have a base that swivels which makes the vacuum easy to turn corners. I do wish Tacony had thought of this. I also think there should be a way to turn the suction down on the maytag. |
Post# 371851 , Reply# 19   5/6/2017 at 21:05 (2,517 days old) by cocobird5 (Laguna Hills)   |   | |
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I have asthma,so filtration is the most important to me. My Miele also does fine with the other two criteria. |
Post# 371861 , Reply# 20   5/7/2017 at 15:43 (2,517 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Definitely airflow: that's what gets the dirt moving into the bag. But for carpet cleaning, agitation and brushing is more important than airflow because airflow alone won't disconnect dirt that is buried and entangled in the fibres.
This suggests another aspect of cleaner design is very important: nozzle/tool/brush design. |
Post# 371872 , Reply# 21   5/8/2017 at 01:29 (2,516 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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For starters let me explain why. While like everyone here I love my vacuums and vacuuming I am also Husband and Dad in a busy household were vacuuming is not a fun acrivity but a nessesity and chore. We have a few animals and genrally the house , main areas get vacuumed 2 or 3 times a day.
The vacuum needs to be easy to use have easy to access on board tools and do carpets and hardfloors It must be able to get the job done as quickly as possible with as little hassel as possible I have always felt Filtration is overplayed. Yes its important but are you trying to tell me my Grans house was filthy because her choice of vacuum was a clothed bag upright vacuum with no hepa filtration. She would smack you silly if you dared to think it. I live In Cape Town South Aftica with genrally pleasent weather yesr round. Unless it is absolutly pouring down with Rain our patio doors are always open . More impuritys blow in through the open doors than any hepa filtration could ever remove from my home. Airflow is important but again if you vacuum as much as we do even a orek can keep the carpets clean as the dirt never gets a chance to settle |
Post# 371892 , Reply# 23   5/8/2017 at 16:28 (2,516 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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I wish we had a survey function on this website as it would make questions like this much easier...Some of the answers were difficult to interpret.
Filtration = 1/22 = 4.5% Airflow = 11/22 = 50% Ergonomics = 4/22 = 18.2% Refused to answer/Multiple answers/Disliked the question = 6/22 = 27.3% So without a doubt, AIRFLOW is by far the most important to posters here on this website. With that being established, I have one BIG question: Where is the outcry to insist/demand that manufacturers post airflow specs? Dyson posts airwatts and claims their vacs have the most suction (which they do), but airflow never enters their marketing equation because it is so very poor (think 50-ish CFM at the nozzle). Even though bag less machines are all the rage, all of them are plagued with really lousy airflow because the cyclones, the very thing everybody can't seem to get enough of, eat up nearly half of the nozzle airflow. Will this trend of lousy performance/efficiency with bag less vacs ever end? Does anyone outside of Vacuumland care? Bill |
Post# 371895 , Reply# 25   5/8/2017 at 17:57 (2,516 days old) by mixman (Central NJ)   |   | |
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Yeah the masses only care about the ease of use (ergonomics) and how well it can clean the pet hairs. As long as a vacuum is easy to use for what they need it to do and it can get the pet hairs and mess off the floor, they are fine with it. |
Post# 371926 , Reply# 26   5/9/2017 at 12:41 (2,515 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Well then the Masses must be telling you somthing
For your avarage home owner vacuuming is a chore not something fun to do. I would be interested to know how many of those here on Vacland who reponded have Kids, Ie under 17 years old. When I was single and even before Joanne and I had kids , life was busy , I thought it was atleast but it was not. Been a petrol head I had time to wash and detail both our cars, do all maintanatce myself, I had a fantastic garden that I tended to myself, Grass cut every week, never a blade out of place. My vacuum collection was up to date, in perfect condition , I used a Kirby because it was the best I had at that time, I could spend the time it took to clean each room disasembeling half the machine every few minutes to fit the attachments. Then we had Joshua , The kirby was quickly replaced by a Hoover elite and then a Electrolux widetrack, I no longer had the time to spend a hour just vacuuming every day. The garden while still neat was no longer the masterpiece it once was, The cars get washed when dirty , the maintenance is done by the workshop now. My point is that as someone who lives in the world of Kids, Homework assignments, and all that goes with that, like the rest of the masses Air flow means nothing if I dont have the time to use it.A average vacuum does a good enough job for the masses. Its one thing that most vacuum collectors fail to see, yes Kirby is has great airflow, Yes it will last a life time ( most of the time ) but it will lats even longer in your average household because after the novelty wears off it either ends up in the cupboard or on Craigslist and Ebay when its replaced with a Eureka that is easier to use, Or even worse the carpets get ripped up and hardfloors replace them because they are easier to manage |
Post# 371935 , Reply# 27   5/9/2017 at 15:21 (2,515 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)   |   | |
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I totally agree for most people vacuuming is a chore and whatever makes that chore easier.....ie... a vacuum that is easy for them to use is the most important thing. Everything else is a distant second. Mike |
Post# 372002 , Reply# 29   5/10/2017 at 13:39 (2,514 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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I Hear you Kevin . I too get the best I can. Not the most expensive but the one that worked the best.
With my business and my vacuum collection and I not at a loss of which vacuum to use. I do however tend to use a light weight bagless upright for every day cleaning and a Royal for a good deep cleaning every 2nd week on the weekend What I was getting at was ergonomics. It must be easy to use. A Lux canister is easy to use. Most canisters are easier to use in a multi floor home. I prefer uprights though. In my home i must admit that since iur first dyson cordless vac a dc 35 and we have had every model since then with the old models been passed on to various family members or doing duty elswere in the house. I tend to grab a upright and use the dyson v6 with a crevice tool on the end of the pipe for the edges. As for filthy carpets, if you have kids and animals you need to get those carpets washed regularly by a profecional company with a truck mount. No vacuum is going to get rid of the mess that kids bring to a carpet with spilt food and drinks |