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Post# 369078   3/24/2017 at 13:25 (243 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I'm very curious where the eVacuum Store.com people are getting the metal bodies and what motor they are using for these continuation(for lack of a better term) Electrolux type machines? They're not really calling them Electrolux vacuums, but they're using the word 'Electrolux" enough in their promo speak that many will assume they are Electrolux vacs. Who is the real entity responsible for making these vacs?

 

I guess I'm not too excited if they're just using Lamb motors, because you can buy a real metal body Elux cheap enough and just go through the original motor yourself. They are $200 off now for "Open Box" units which still puts you at $899. I can't see the efficacy in this unless you just have to have 'new'. Anyone?

 

Kevin





Post# 369080 , Reply# 1   3/24/2017 at 13:53 (243 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
perfect vacuums

Evacuum store does not make them, they're just selling them. They are made by a company called perfect products. They also make several commercial upright models. The power teams are designed to be clones of the Electrolux, now Aerus canisters. The metal one, model C101 uses a two stage Ametek motor, and the plastic model, C103 uses a one stage motor and is much lighter. I have both of them, they are good vacuums, very powerful, they both take the same hoses that the metal Electrolux uses. They also take the same bags.
The e vacuum store web site does a couple things that cause confusion. If you look at the Electrolux canister vacuums, the Perfect vacuums are listed there as well. While they are similar to the classic Electrolux's, they are not made by Aerus, or the European Electrolux company. Those should really be listed in their own category. Also, when looking for bags and other parts for Electrolux models, the site groups all of the models in one place, whether for the former Electrolux company in the United States, now called Aerus, or the European Electrolux company. These are actually two completely different companies, and they should be more clear about which one they are referring to.


Post# 369084 , Reply# 2   3/24/2017 at 14:16 (243 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Thanks.....

for that clarification, Mike. So are they buying the metal bodies from an Aerus supplier, custom made, or do you know?

 

I find the eVacuum Store speak confusing because they are neither Aerus or Swedish Electrolux.  If anything, using the term 'Electrolux' so freely in their promo sales is close to fraud.

 

But Aerus doesn't have a metal body canister made today, do they? So the 'normal' price of the C101 is $1099.00. I'm trying to figure out their marketing ploy....that they're still making metal bodied canisters like "How you remember your old Electrolux" versus a new Aerus with a plastic body, but perhaps a better motor(Platinum) and some very innovative modern features?

 

Kevin

 


Post# 369101 , Reply# 3   3/24/2017 at 18:15 (243 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I've never been particularly confused by their marketing but I can see how someone less familiar with Electrolux and Aerus might be. I've been amazed that Aerus and/or Electrolux hasn't gone after them for theft of intellectual property. I guess the argument could be made that the Perfect vacuums are essentially just a collection of third-party repro parts assembled into a complete machine.

All that said, I love the concept and I'm glad they're out there, but I personally can't see the point in buying one when I can easily pick up a used genuine Electrolux metal canister in good shape for well under $100. I have four of them (two 1205's, a Super J and a Diamond J), all in decent cosmetic shape and excellent operating condition and I don't think I have more than about $200 tied up in the lot of them, including parts and accessories.


Post# 369102 , Reply# 4   3/24/2017 at 18:21 (243 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Exactly.......

that was my point. Unless you just have to have something assembled with 'new' parts, I can't justify the $1,099 price tag. Why get a Lamb motor when you can get a real Super J motor and the history/provenance behind it?

 

I too like the concept though of at least attempting to make something that is similar to past greatness.

 

Kevin


Post# 369106 , Reply# 5   3/24/2017 at 18:56 (243 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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My previous statement made me curious so I added it all up all I have spent on the Electrolux canisters I have and it turns out I had underestimated things a bit. The actual total is closer to about $300 for the four machines and their associated accessories and parts, which does not include consumables such as bags, belts or the supplies I used to clean them up. Acquisition cost for the machines themselves and whatever came with them was about $70. Either way you slice it, that's still a helluva lot less than the cost of one Perfect canister.

Now, if one were to amortize the cost of that Perfect canister out over the likely operational lifespan of the machine, and then equate it to that of buying a new plasticrap vac from Wally World every year or two, it wouldn't take all that long for the Perfect to more than pay for itself.


Post# 369110 , Reply# 6   3/24/2017 at 20:36 (243 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
i was also confused

I was actually confused about this, and if you look at previous threads, I asked a similar question, I thought at first they were selling used electrolux vacuums. I think most of the patents have expired on the older Electrolux models which is why Perfect is able to make them so similar. The one thing the perfects do not have though is the automatic shut off when the bag is full, I think Aerus still has a patent on that. Another advantage of these vacuums, and the Aerus vacuums as well, besides the guardian platinum is that there are no fancy circuit boards or similar components that can fail.

Post# 369113 , Reply# 7   3/24/2017 at 21:16 (243 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Circuit boards

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Damn right. Circuit boards are nothing but self-destruct devices. The fewer the better, IMO.

Post# 369116 , Reply# 8   3/24/2017 at 22:15 (243 days old) by fantomfan57 (Austin, Texas)        
Circuit boards....

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I was thinking about that very thing last week when working on a cosmetically great looking Kenmore Canister, that probably failed because of the board.

Self destruct is my opinion as well.


Post# 369132 , Reply# 9   3/25/2017 at 09:44 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
However....

there is a guy that restores older Elux's on the Internet. I have his site linked. I never dealt with him, but he paints and the whole shebang. Reading his site blip, it sounds like he does so on order. Not sure what his sources are for the older machines. Another interesting way to go if you don't restore.

 

I didn't realize the Perfects don't have the auto shutoff for a full bag......I've always admired that feature and the engineering behind it. Don't think I'd like to live without that.

 

Kevin


Post# 369143 , Reply# 10   3/25/2017 at 13:03 (242 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
circuit boards and speed controls

I'm also not a fan of circuit boards, and I don't even think a motor speed control is needed. If you want less suction, open the relief valve that is on most hoses. It may be low tech but it works.
Mike


Post# 369148 , Reply# 11   3/25/2017 at 13:35 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Totally....

agree with that. Circuit boards in vacuums are just bragging rights for 'innovations'. I hated to see that trend start. Typically, you don't get a schematic with your machine so you could troubleshoot a circuit board....so it's fix by replacement.

 

Kevin


Post# 369165 , Reply# 12   3/25/2017 at 13:55 (242 days old) by lux14 (Leawood Kansas)        

Question.......Does anyone have the cite for the individual who restores vintage Elextrolux's?


Post# 369181 , Reply# 13   3/25/2017 at 15:56 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Yes....

this is one of them:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO Real1shep's LINK

Post# 369182 , Reply# 14   3/25/2017 at 16:00 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
There was....

another one too where you send him your machine for restoration(although the above link guy says he can restore your machine-to ask). I cannot find that link...he was the one that painted them all. The above link guy doesn't always seem to paint the bodies....only if necessary.

 

I'll keep looking for the other guy.

 

Kevin


Post# 369185 , Reply# 15   3/25/2017 at 16:10 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
OK....

I believe the other guy might have been www.vacuumman.com..., but that site seems to have been removed. I have no way of telling if I can't see the original site....lol

 

 

Kevin


Post# 369207 , Reply# 16   3/25/2017 at 18:57 (242 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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I have bought from Gerry "The Electrolux Man" before. Very nice guy. Does honest work.
Andy


Post# 369224 , Reply# 17   3/25/2017 at 22:26 (242 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Terry Kay is what his site says.

 

Kevin

 

 


Post# 369232 , Reply# 18   3/26/2017 at 01:28 (242 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia)        

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I found this infomercial while trying to find any demos of them on youtube. If you were curious about seeing it in action. Although I'm not found of stupid, cheesy infomercials.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO ryan1994jeep's LINK


Post# 369234 , Reply# 19   3/26/2017 at 06:54 (241 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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That should have said Terry. I need to learn how to turn Auto-Correct off on my Cell.
Andy


Post# 369270 , Reply# 20   3/26/2017 at 15:25 (241 days old) by lux14 (Leawood Kansas)        

Thanks for the link!

Post# 369310 , Reply# 21   3/27/2017 at 12:05 (240 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I found this infomercial while trying to find any demos of them on youtube. If you were curious about seeing it in action. Although I'm not found of stupid, cheesy infomercials.

 

Cheesy and pedantic......I couldn't make it through the video. Reminiscent in a way of the Kirby training seminar I went to with Chuck Conners waxing poetic about being on the 'Kirby Team'.

 

Kevin





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