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Post# 368790   3/20/2017 at 14:04 (184 days old) by vacmaster (Southern California)        

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Seems they exist in Japan. Shame they can't be made elsewhere as they would clean much better than the normal turbo nozzles, which are a sad excuse for a cleaner head.
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Post# 368793 , Reply# 1   3/20/2017 at 14:45 (184 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
power nozzle dyson

For the price they charge for their canister vacuums, they should include an electric power nozzle, turbine nozzles are a joke and will never clean as good as an electric brush. You might be able to rig something up to use an electric power nozzle with a Dyson, but you should not have to do that. Put their antitangle turbine nozzle next to something like a Lindhaus, Wessel Werk, Sebo, Riccar or centec electric power nozzle and I guarantee you the turbine nozzle would be left in the dust, literally.

Post# 368802 , Reply# 2   3/20/2017 at 16:02 (184 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        
There Was At Least One...

I know of a variant of the Dyson DC05, called the DC05 Motorhead. The motor brush was used for the Zorb powder. The brush had three settings. The first was brush with no suction, (for grinding in the powder) setting two is brush with suction and setting three is suction only.

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Post# 368817 , Reply# 3   3/20/2017 at 18:09 (184 days old) by vacmaster (Southern California)        
I know

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There just has not been one for a very long time. There were motorhead variants later than the DC05 as well.

Post# 368821 , Reply# 4   3/20/2017 at 21:11 (184 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
hose size

Does anyone know what the hose size is for Dyson canisters? Is it the standard 35 mm or 32 mm? Or is it something nonstandard? Would be interesting to pair a Dyson canister with an electric nozzle, though you would have to get a separate electric cord to run it. Try vacuuming something like cat litter out of a carpet with Dyson's turbine nozzle, I bet anything it would jam or clog it.

Post# 368825 , Reply# 5   3/21/2017 at 00:59 (183 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)        

Could you use the Zorb with a Kirby rug shampooer brush (dry)? Then vacuum as usual?

Post# 368831 , Reply# 6   3/21/2017 at 02:26 (183 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Interesting experiment--maybe someone out there who has a Dyson canister or upright-could try a Volt powernozzle with the Dyson.To me the Volt powernozzle beats them all!Have Sebo,Lindhaus-like the Volt much better.

Post# 368842 , Reply# 7   3/21/2017 at 10:24 (183 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
dyson with a volt

That would be an interesting experiment, wonder what the hose size is on a Dyson, especially something like the cinetic? The volt is definitely a great nozzle, not only do you have a motorized brush, but you have the direct air fan as well. I remember trying that nozzle at the museum last year, it cleans very well even when not attached to a vacuum which of course really isn't productive, but it does demonstrate the cleaning power that nozzle has. Combine that with a canister or central vacuum and you have a great cleaner for sure.

Post# 368847 , Reply# 8   3/21/2017 at 12:33 (183 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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The only Dyson canisters that used standard 1 1/4 inch hose ends, were the DC02 and DC05. Both UK models (I have some very rare ones in the collection, such as the ReCyclone and the Antarctica Solo).

I have hooked them up to a Volt power nozzle. Since those models use 240 volts, the suction is outstanding - similar to many high powered central vacs. The Volt makes the Dyson a "tandem-air" cleaner and it works splendidly.

In the 120 volt machines, the DC21, DC22, and DC23 models had electric power nozzles. The DC22 is very rare, with its digital motor (I love mine), the DC21 and DC23 Motorhead models were much better selling machines. They do not use standard size wands nor openings, and cannot (to my knowledge) be hooked up to any other machine.

Post# 368855 , Reply# 9   3/21/2017 at 14:33 (183 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        
Dyson universal tool adaptor

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Here is one adaptor for Dyson. However they don't mention is it 32mm or 35mm. Most likely 32mm

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Post# 368856 , Reply# 10   3/21/2017 at 14:40 (183 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        
Dyson universal tool adaptor (CORRECT ONE)

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Here is the correct one.

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Post# 368882 , Reply# 11   3/21/2017 at 23:01 (182 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
220 volt vacuums

Kind of makes me wonder if most of the 220 volt vacuums are more powerful than what we have here in the states. I know 220 volts is more efficient, and it pulls less amperage. I would never consider getting any vacuum where I could not use standard attachments. I don't mind using an adapter, but the ability to use standard tools is a high priority, at least for me anyway.

Post# 368893 , Reply# 12   3/22/2017 at 00:30 (182 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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In the US, there have been two canister models with powered nozzles: the DC21 and DC23 Motorhead. They remain the best cleaning Dyson canisters ever sold in the US for carpet cleaning.

I own a new model Dyson canister (the non-Cinetic model, which has a pre-motor filter), and while I like the canister unit itself, I was quickly fed up with the stock hose, wand, and turbine nozzle. I made an adapter that converts the latest Dyson tool connection, to work with most generic setups. This has greatly added to both the versatility and usability of the vacuum.

My preferred setup is to add Tacony's awesome 12' hose, and use a Turbocat nozzle, offering great cleaning coverage. The Dyson has plenty of suction to do a good job cleaning with this setup, plus it's a pleasure to not have to pull the weight of the vac around, every time you take a step.

Post# 368900 , Reply# 13   3/22/2017 at 02:27 (182 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

220-240V vacuums--What amperage does the 220V Dyson take?For a rough equivelant-a 5A 240V motor would be about equal to a 10A 120V one.

Post# 368908 , Reply# 14   3/22/2017 at 10:25 (182 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
making adapter

How did you make an adapter to use standard attachments? It drives me nuts when manufacturers use nonstandard hose sizes, especially when there is no good reason to do so, certainly no benefit to the consumer, perhaps it benefits the manufacturer because you are limited to using only their attachments.

Post# 368927 , Reply# 15   3/22/2017 at 16:29 (182 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        
My way

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I have done several powerteams from the straight suction canisters. Reason is simply that powerteam canisters are VERY rare in the Finland and selection in the eBay UK or Germany (same voltage) is slim also. Importing from the US is extremely costly and voltage is different.
This seen in the pictures was especially important for me because this Philips Performer Pro is extremely powerful. It pulls 9 from the baird air flow meter and suction is 500 airwatts. Now it has Wessel Werk 340 from the HYLA vacuum.
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Post# 368928 , Reply# 16   3/22/2017 at 17:08 (182 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Most 220v motors pull about 5 to 7 amps. Its not somthing thats advertised in 220v countrys. Wattage is. So for example the motor is a 1300watt 240v on the new big ball cy 22. I am enjoying mine

Post# 368937 , Reply# 17   3/22/2017 at 18:50 (182 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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I don't see any benefit of 220 volts compared to the 110 volts.
One example from my Philips.
2200 watts = 20 amps with 110v and 10 amps with 220v.
Now EU has stopped this madness and now most of our vacuums only use around 700w-900w (900w is max allowed) That is 6-8 amps (110v).
Unfortunately we don't get anymore those suction monsters Like my Philips with 500 airwatts. However when the motor speed is set to the middle it still pulls 5 on the airflow meter.
So for the US people 12 amps is kind of sweet spot.

Post# 368938 , Reply# 18   3/22/2017 at 19:14 (182 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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12 amps or 1440 watts is the maximum power allowed for vacuum cleaners in the US.



Post# 368940 , Reply# 19   3/22/2017 at 19:57 (182 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
power limits

I think the 12 amp restriction applies to regular appliances, but I've seen the ratings on central vacuums at 14 or 15 amps, that's maximum, it doesn't mean it will pull that much power all the time. While I'm not a fan of governments telling manufacturers how they must make their products, 2000 watts is a bit extreme, that should not be required for good cleaning. I have an Electrolux 1205 here and I think the motor is around 500 watts, it cleans just fine. I also have a numatic Henry that has a 600 watt motor, again, no problems with cleaning power. It all comes down to good design. Unfortunately many people get caught up in the amp rating hype and they think that if it draws more power, it must clean better which is usually not the case. If anything, it's the opposite, this indicates that it's less efficient.

Post# 368954 , Reply# 20   3/22/2017 at 22:18 (182 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Just some notes about very high powered vacuums. My example was what you get when certain vacuum take the full advantage of the high powered motor.
Problem was that many of the manufacturers used bad quality motors and they just wasted the electricity.
One problem is that when the new EU law came manufacturers just put very low powered motors to vacuums that are designed to be used with higher powered motors. Result: poor performance.
I can't deny that having extremely powerful vacuum has its advantages. You don't have to "hunt" the dirt. Nozzle picks up more far away from the corners and so on. It makes cleaning faster and easier.
Some numbers: High powered vacuums had around 300-500 airwatts. Now with low powered vacuums it's 150-250 airwatts.
But for some reason many old twin fan vacuums has a great suction/airflow. For example my Lux Royal with 1150w (10amp) motor pulls over 7 on the baird airflow meter and suction is equally impressive.
So in this case no need for insane motor wattage.
I don't see myself buying these new limited power vacuums.
Instead I will get old good quality vacuum.
And let's not forget that all important powerhead.

Post# 369124 , Reply# 21   3/25/2017 at 00:53 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The 5-7A 240V motors would be equivelant to 10A and 14A at 120V No advantage for the 240V motor in this case.


Post# 369866 , Reply# 22   4/3/2017 at 03:26 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Dyson adapter

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Where I work, we have a pretty good machine shop/electronics lab, and I made the Dyson tool adapter on a lathe. It's turned the vacuum into a versatility powerhouse, and it's the closest I'll get to having a central vacuum in an apartment. Love it, and use it often!

Post# 369876 , Reply# 23   4/3/2017 at 08:47 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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In the late 90's Regina had a housekeeper model that was 12.5 amps. It was unnecessary to have that much power.

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