Thread Number: 33864  /  Tag: 80s/90s Vacuum Cleaners
Type F&G style HEPA construction
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Post# 367634   2/27/2017 at 20:25 (236 days old) by upright886 (Wauwatosa Wisconsin)        

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Can anyone comment on the function of these HEPA construction F&G style bags on a Type A Royal Upright? 9 for $13 is not a bad deal. This may be simpler than converting type A vacuums to Type B so you can use Royal Type B HEPA bags.

Type F&G-HEPA construction

The have one for most styles

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Post# 367637 , Reply# 1   2/27/2017 at 21:23 (236 days old) by upright886 (Wauwatosa Wisconsin)        

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I will be trying Envrocare lines F&G bags next and keep one Type A Royal bag unused.

I attached a few pictures for comparison between a standard paper Type A and the Lined Envirocare. No claims of HEPA construction but 99.7% filtration for about $1/bag.

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Post# 367733 , Reply# 2   3/2/2017 at 15:25 (234 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
Thank you!

I'm glad you posted about this. I've seen and heard of F&G HEPA bags but had never been able to track them down myself. I just placed an order for two packs and I'll report back here with how they perform. As for the Envirocare bags I've never been too impressed with them myself. We sell them at the store I work for and have used them across many machines. I've personally had better luck with Arm & Hammer F&G bags.

Post# 367772 , Reply# 3   3/3/2017 at 10:17 (233 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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If you can't find the Eureka ones Koblenz also makes a hepa F-G bag

Post# 367943 , Reply# 4   3/6/2017 at 16:19 (230 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

So how do you like the hepa bags? I saw them a couple days before this post was made.

Post# 367972 , Reply# 5   3/7/2017 at 08:55 (229 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I love them. I have 5 Pugs in my house so lots of dog hair and we live out in the country with gardens etc, so lots od dust and dirt. Anyhow I notice airflow has lasted twice as long, I don't change bag as often (even though I should lol) and even though there's still some smell when bag is full it's not near as smelly as a paper bag.

Example: I have been using my silver king bagless canister as my daily driver. Now these have terrible filtration after a couple of uses and I find myself emptying it without much dirt and wasting the expensive filter. I put a Kenmore hepa 5055 bag in it and last night I thought hmmm I've been using the crap out of this thing and still have FULL suction I must not have much dirt. I checked it and OMG it was plumb full like the kind of full we complain about with a lazy house wife who wont change her bag until its splitting open. Kind of ashamed of myself lol
So this is the long round about way to answering your question. Yes I like the hepa

Post# 368043 , Reply# 6   3/8/2017 at 09:51 (228 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Are the Koblenz HEPA bags actually cloth? From what I've always seen online of them they appear to be paper, and I've stayed away thus far. As for the HEPA bags linked in this post I've been very impressed! I ordered my bags sometime after noon on Saturday the 4th, before I had even gotten a shipping confirmation they had showed up at my door on Monday the 6th.

Now I had a special use case in mind when I saw these. At work I cleaned up a Eureka 2061B to use as the vacuum for our new store, keeps us from dirtying up display machines, and gives us a low maintenance machine that doesn't need lots of upkeep. That also means we're sucking up everything from large clumps of dirt that may have clogged other machines that fell on the floor, as well as the incredibly fine dust that comes out of Dyson canisters when we take them apart for service. So it's first test came after I had opened two Dyson canisters in a row. The dust that came from them was about enough to cover most of our rug in front of the work bench. Normally this is fine enough to noticeably clog (needing to lower the height adjustment a level) the Envirocare F&G bags within seconds. It simply didn't phase these bags. All other debris especially heavier things that generally bounce around in the fan chamber for a good while before ending in the bag are pretty quickly inhaled. Overall I'm very impressed, I'll be dropping them into my F&G machines at home and will probably make me use them quite a bit more. They solve my one real gripe with F&G machines and bring them towards true modern usability for even a normal consumer. Who would've ever thought one day we'd have an F&G machine with nearly no loss of suction...

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Post# 368438 , Reply# 7   3/14/2017 at 20:24 (221 days old) by upright886 (Wauwatosa Wisconsin)        
F & G HEPA construction feedback

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Thanks for taking the plunge and giving them a try. Can you upload some close up images of the bags? When one is done can you cut a square our and go through the layers. Glad you like them now what do I do with 8 Envirocare bags? V.A.C. bags seem like the ticket for older F & G/Royal A types...


Post# 368439 , Reply# 8   3/14/2017 at 20:31 (221 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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I know someone who stocked the VAC bags. He swears by then. I haven't added any to my inventory just yet...

Post# 376465 , Reply# 9   8/5/2017 at 22:24 by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)        

Fantomlightning, nice photos.

Post# 376468 , Reply# 10   8/6/2017 at 01:31 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Good pictures of the dusty Dyson cyclone "Filter"For me gave up on A bags quite sometime ago.Just change the outer cloth Royal bag on the machine to use the B bag one-35 bucks and two min!Simply saved the orig bag for collector value.The performance of the older Royal with the B bags is a big improvement.

Post# 376569 , Reply# 11   8/8/2017 at 13:16 by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Vacuum America Clean?

What's with that brand? Are they a replacement for the perfect machines? I've noticed our suppliers no longer carry the perfect C bags but V.A.C. bags are suggested as an alternate.

I've always found the thought of using poly bags in an older style eureka interesting, but i decided to go with an ST conversion instead. I feel like the fill tube of F+Gs get squashed by the rest of the bag and chokes off airflow. After installing both the converter and the bag i noticed a quite a difference in the machine's performance. The height had to be adjusted up, i think, 2 levels to prevent the machine from clinging too hard.

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Post# 376570 , Reply# 12   8/8/2017 at 14:47 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Vacuum America Clean was hired by Perfect to produce a replacement HEPA bag. They are the same filtration quality, but the cardboard isn't so thick. I am a fan of their bags.
I'm still lost over Envirocare ending production of the Electrolux C bag. I was shocked when Steel City stopped stocking them...

Post# 376571 , Reply# 13   8/8/2017 at 14:48 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Envirocare still.makes Paper Electrolux Bags in C style...they stopped making the HEPA bags

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