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Why I'm Concerned About The Future Of Kirby
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Post# 367029   2/17/2017 at 19:28 (243 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

I'm concerned for Kirby. This is my concern. Why should people buy Avalirs? I mean, you can go on Craigslist and get a G7 for $150. Kirby really outdid themselves with the G3 and by the time the G6 came out they had everything figured out. The Sentria was the best of the G Series. They have been using the same mechanics for more than 20 years. I hope Kirby will release a radically new design, while still retaining the classic Kirby design.




Post# 367048 , Reply# 1   2/17/2017 at 23:37 (243 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
I hear you

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Kirby has always taken the notion of evolutionary design changes to the extreme and when you couple that with the fact that their machines are damn near indestructible, it has set up a bizarre dynamic in which one of Kirby's biggest competitors is itself. And when you take their horrible high-pressure salespeople into account, it's a wonder anybody ever buys a new one. Why put yourself through all that to pay $2,000 for a new machine when you can get one that is functionally equivalent to it for less than a tenth the price and skip the arm twisting.

Post# 367052 , Reply# 2   2/18/2017 at 00:44 (243 days old) by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
What Kirby needs to do...

Is make a souped up contemporary version of the D-80,make the hose easy to attach, which to most women is still a nightmare, Bison had a great system, they just couldn't figure out how to make it durable,they don't need to be self propelled, they just need to be lighter and better balanced, and they are wayyy to big, for a big open space they are great, but for a normal to small house the machine is too big and awkward.

Post# 367065 , Reply# 3   2/18/2017 at 09:24 (242 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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In general, no one wakes up and says "today I'm buying a Kirby". The way to sell a new Kirby is in the home - so the customer cannot 'shop' other models. There are only two machines, the old one the customer has been using, and the new Kirby. If Kirby were sold at retail, like other sweepers, I can't imagining anyone choosing it over a much less expensive vacuum. So, in a way, Kirby doesn't HAVE to change anything too much. The method by which its sold precludes the need for more 'user friendly' engineering. You know the old vacuum salesman's saying: If I can't dazzle them with dirt, baffle them with B.S.

Post# 367066 , Reply# 4   2/18/2017 at 09:33 (242 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        
Well..

In this day and age, everyone does everything online. People look for deals online. So a person will Google "Kirby Vacuum Cleaner Reviews". When they see all the good reviews, they go to eBay. There they type "Kirby Vacuum Works Great!" They either find a deal or go onto Craigslist or LetGo. They end up with a functionally identical
machine for around $90. When a Kirby salesman comes and offers them a similar machine for $1200, people will decline.


Post# 367069 , Reply# 5   2/18/2017 at 10:45 (242 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

I wouldn't worry. Kirby know what they are doing. Look how long they have been in business. They are doing something very right.

Post# 367073 , Reply# 6   2/18/2017 at 12:03 (242 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Same can be said for

Tristasr, Filter queen, Rainbow, Aerus, save for this group here thare few that say I think I'll Invite a Filter queen salesman to come live with us until I agree to buy. And though great vacuums, I own two, filter queen hasn't change drastically I the last 80 or so years either.

Post# 367074 , Reply# 7   2/18/2017 at 12:23 (242 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Kirby is not worried. If they were, they wouldn't be churning out several thousand Avalirs a week like they currently do.

 

The door to door sales method works very well for them. When a potential customer is dazzled by watching the salesman put the Kirby through it's paces and then comparing it's cleaning ability to the customers present machine, it's very hard for them to resist especially when the salesman presents the available and attractive financing package that Kirby offers.

 

My daughter-in-law experienced this sales method first hand. She used to work in a very successful Kirby dealership here in the Boston suburb of Woburn MA where I live. She spent most of her 40 hour work week setting appointments for potential customers in the Boston Metro area whom she cold called or had responded to newspaper and Radio ads offering them a free carpet shampoo of any room in their home if they would simply observe a demo of the Kirby Sentria Home Care System being used to shampoo their carpet. This is a very effective method of selling Kirby's. When the salesman knocks on the door, the person(s) inside are already expecting them for their free carpet cleaning.

 

 This is still a very busy dealership that employs 4 salesman, 2 service technicians and 2 ladies manning the phones. 

 


Post# 367089 , Reply# 8   2/18/2017 at 18:09 (242 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

If it isn't broke don't fix it. If you don't like it don't buy it.

I happen to agree I too would like to see the D50/D80 with the performance of today. As for set up it isn't that difficult. And most important learn how to use it and therefor get the best out of it.

No it isn't for the handicapped or elderly. I do know many in the 70 plus crowd that can and still use a pre 1990 Kirby.


Post# 367130 , Reply# 9   2/19/2017 at 09:45 (241 days old) by fantomfan57 (Austin, Texas)        
I agree....

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I noticed they got bigger and heavier. So they probably listened to consumers and added the transmission....which made them bigger and heavier...but easier to use. When they added the transmission, they added more parts to wear down. I still find them cumbersome.



Post# 367135 , Reply# 10   2/19/2017 at 10:55 (241 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)        
Kirby dealers advertise?

The advertising initiative by the Kirby dealer in Woburn, MA is interesting. I thought Kirby dealers were prevented by Corporate from advertising. Several years ago, my local Kirby dealer in suburban Pittsburgh designed a nice website to advertise their business and explain the advantages of a Kirby vacuum and how to schedule a demo. Shortly afterward, the corporate offices in Cleveland got wind of their website, and the dealer was ordered to take it down or else the company would revoke their franchise as a dealer. So, they took it down and went back to rustling up demos and relying on repeat customers as well as repairs and refurbishing.

I think more aggressive advertising would be good to help local Kirby dealers stay in business. Since Kirby offers only one new model every so often, wouldn't it serve their interest to have that product out in front of the public in more ways than just a door-to-door salesman?


Post# 368682 , Reply# 11   3/19/2017 at 10:43 (213 days old) by myles_v (Stafford, Virginia, USA)        

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The Kirby dealer near me hires 24/7 and they take vans full of their "employees" (independent contractors) and drops them all off in neighborhoods and sends them off to knock on doors.

The people who buy Avalirs new are the people who currently use 6 month old $50 Dirt Devils, Bissells, and Hoovers. Kirby dealers would have a hard time convincing anyone who currently uses a high-quality vacuum to switch.

If someone has been using their Aerus vacuum 3 times a week for 6 years with no problems, why would they buy a new Avalir? They wouldn't. People who have been buying a new $50 vacuum twice a year are Kirby's #1 customers.


Post# 368684 , Reply# 12   3/19/2017 at 11:23 (213 days old) by Caligula (Benton, Pa)        
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Don't worry about Kirby this is how they do it. As for 'pulling' other vacuum cleaners, that's easy, the demo convinces them that they NEED a NEW machine. If followed correctly the demo will help the dealer make the sale.

Post# 368698 , Reply# 13   3/19/2017 at 13:25 (213 days old) by myvacsrock (Dayton, OH)        
You obviously have never worked in a vacuum store...

People do NOT want someones used vacuum. People want something brand new shiny that doesn't have "filth" in it. Now a days you can scare the shit out of people with a simple term like "Bed bugs" and "dust mites" ... trust me. Kirby has a good thing going when they bring that shiny new vacuum to the door.

Post# 368702 , Reply# 14   3/19/2017 at 13:47 (213 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I purchased a used Kirby Sentria 2, 2015 model on friday. It was in excellent condition and for just 180.

I have no problem at all buying a used vac providing it's a quality machine thats built to last 😉


Post# 368710 , Reply# 15   3/19/2017 at 14:31 (213 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, we live in a germaphobic society that in the end just makes people sicker because they fail to build up their immune systems. I personally have no problem with used vacuum cleaners; in fact, I don't think I've ever owned but two brand new ones. At least two of the ones I have now are trash rescues.

Post# 369249 , Reply# 16   3/26/2017 at 10:00 (206 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Unfortunately, Kirby has gotten more mileage out of the Generation Series platform than Jimmy Buffet has gotten out of "Margaritaville." It's going on 27 years with only minor subtle changes. Someone on here at one point posted prototype drawings of the proposed Avalir, showing a rear-mounted bag and a switch in the handle. Other than a redesigned shampooer and trim color change I don't see anything radically different from the Sentria II. No, Kirby has milked the Generation platform long enough, the Classic line only lasted 20. Maybe a non-powerdrive model with a smaller head (ala retro-500 series) would be the way to go. Aerus Electrolux offers different models, maybe Kirby should diversify also.

Post# 369252 , Reply# 17   3/26/2017 at 10:50 (206 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Yes a lighter model with a 12" floorhead and no tech drive would be good!

I personally think they would sell very well as the main complaint about the G series is that it's to bulky and too heavy.


Post# 369255 , Reply# 18   3/26/2017 at 12:18 (206 days old) by rvarley (Oregon)        

And let's not forget what a bother it is to use the attachments. I have an old Kirby, pre-tech drive (560?) and it does a great job cleaning, but it's a bear to push and does not go under low items well.

Post# 369360 , Reply# 19   3/27/2017 at 20:41 (205 days old) by panasonicvac (Seattle, Washington)        

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I'm not worried about the future of Kirby, I think that company is still doing well. I do however question with these other similar companies like Aerus, Filter Queen, Rainbow, etc. Reason for that is because I wonder if they are going out of business anytime soon like what happened with Silver King.

Post# 369365 , Reply# 20   3/27/2017 at 21:24 (205 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        
Here is what I think.....

While I do not think Kirby is in jeopardy right now, i do think they will have to update their designs, even if that means having two models. An older model along the line of the generation series and a newer model that addresses the G series shortcomings. They need to bring out a model in which people are not pressured into buying, but buy because they really want it and want to keep it too. The fact that there are Avalirs all over Ebay and Craigslist for $350-$500, kills your business model when you are trying to sell these things brand new for $1,200 or more. They need to have a new vacuum that is more universally desired. Their current sales model of door to door is the only thing that will work for them until they come out with that more universally desired vacuum. The Avalir will not do well with internet sales, so door to door is the only way that model will sell.

Shark, Dyson, even Bissell are innovating to make vacuuming easier and make vacuums lighter and that seems to be what the public wants, in addition to cheaper. Although there are always those with disposable income willing to pay more for better quality. Other companies such as Miele Sebo, Aerus in addition to Kirby, will have to keep innovating or their sales will become niche market sales with declining revenue. Without innovation, you can be at the top of your market one decade and the next struggling for survival....Can anyone say Sears!


Post# 369388 , Reply# 21   3/28/2017 at 09:10 (204 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The biggest challenge to a door-to-door sales model is the increasing paranoia in our society. While not totally unjustified, people today increasingly assume anyone they don't know is a potential threat. I used to work with a lady who, if you went to her home after dusk and her husband wasn't there to answer the door, would come to the door with a loaded .38 in her hand and make sure you saw it. She didn't brandish it in your face, but she didn't hide it behind her back, either. That's a big contrast from back in the '70s, when my mom would listen to sales pitches from the likes of the Fuller Brush man, the Cutco knife man, and at least one Kirby salesman out of a sense of being polite as well as to break the monotony of the day, but I'm sure that doesn't happen anymore. They used to say a man's home was his castle but now it's more like his fortress.

Post# 369398 , Reply# 22   3/28/2017 at 11:02 (204 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Mixman,

 

Kirby is not worried. The Door to Door sales model works very well for them. Kirby does not worry about all the Avalirs on ebay, they target households that have not seen or heard of Kirby. The fact that the Kirby factory in Cleveland churns out several thousand Avalirs a week proves this.

 

 


Post# 369423 , Reply# 23   3/28/2017 at 16:40 (204 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        
sptyks

I know, that is what I pretty much said. The door to door sales model is the ONLY sales model that will work for them until they come out with a model that will appeal to more people, they would never make it online at the present.

What many have not realized is that the internet has changed our society so much in the past 10 years that what once worked may not work in the future. That is the difference between now and the past 100 or so years and now. Those companies that don't innovate may die. That may come in a fast death or a very slow one.

Now keep in mind I am not anti Kirby, I am thinking about getting an Avalir, but I know they cannot keep churning out the generation series forever.


Post# 369430 , Reply# 24   3/28/2017 at 17:28 (204 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        
myvacsrock...

I do not work at a vacuum store YET, but I do know all of the ones in my area sell used machines. But I do agree, we do live in a germaphobic society. But I find it VERY ironic that the people who don't want other people's "filth" in their houses are the same people who buy the filthy, cheap, filter-in-cup Wally World bagless vacuums. Besides, household dirt is usually composed of the same things. Hair, sand, soil, food particles, dander, dust mites and eggs, pollen, large particles and damaged carpet fibers. What people don't realize is the crap they suck up in their homes is the more or less the same as other people in the area. A vacuum that is "used" makes no difference as in the first few months, the crappy bagless PlastiVac is already MORE filthy than that used Kirby. I bet if someone bought both a Kirby and a PlastiVac on the same day, used them for, say, two years in identical houses. After two years, the Kirby and PlastiVac would be put side by side and measured to see what vacuum is filthier.

Just my two cents, minus tax
Adin


Post# 369468 , Reply# 25   3/28/2017 at 23:57 (204 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Kirby has very very aggressive sales reps and that pushes their sales. It is a shame they don't innovate towards something a little more modern that is easier to use.

Post# 369483 , Reply# 26   3/29/2017 at 09:27 (203 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Kirby will not release a new machine until they can produce one that performs equal to or better than the current G Series machines. And that is not very easy to do.

Post# 369508 , Reply# 27   3/29/2017 at 17:40 (203 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        

I was thinking that that they actually need two models going forward. Another G series Avalir 2 that retains all of the old school qualities and then a new generation model with modern features that caters to online sales. Distributors would have access to both models and can sell whichever they choose. Online sales would have only the new generation model which would appeal to more people. This two model lineup keeps your current customer base happy while actually gaining a new set of customers for the future.

Post# 369526 , Reply# 28   3/29/2017 at 22:40 (203 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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It may be true that Kirby has to find a machine that performs better than the Generation line, but they HAVE the prototype drawings. R&D needs to get the new model into production because truth be told, isn't 27 years using the same platform long enough? With regards to the G-series that ship has sailed. In the New York area the number of Kirby distributors is dwindling not just because the economy is down let's face it the Generation is more bulky than its predecessor, it had to be because of the Tech-Drive. I just feel Kirby is shooting themselves in the foot by not offering a lighter non power drive version to customers who want an all-aluminum machine without all the bulk. In the interim, why not offer customers who want it, a smaller 12 inch head like they had right up to the Legend II?

Post# 369538 , Reply# 29   3/30/2017 at 05:50 (202 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I totally agree with you.

A 12" nozzle would be great.

A lighter less bulky machine would be even better and would have more appeal to the general public 😁


Post# 369540 , Reply# 30   3/30/2017 at 06:19 (202 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Why Kirby should be concerned... today people seek ease and comfort. Kirby is not innovating with the times. Their machine needs to be lighter, the attachments easier to switch out and the machine must be much quieter. With the web, their door-to-door sales approach will become increasingly challenged. I never go to stores anymore, much less let a stranger in my house. Who does that? My local Craigslist has a Diamond Edition for sale for $250. While a beautiful machine, too heavy and bulky for me to actually want to buy it to use it.

Post# 369551 , Reply# 31   3/30/2017 at 09:04 (202 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Durango159 wrote: Kirby has very very aggressive sales reps and that pushes their sales. It is a shame they don't innovate towards something a little more modern that is easier to use.

I reply: Which? The machines or the sales reps? ;)


Post# 369556 , Reply# 32   3/30/2017 at 10:01 (202 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
The system works:

Though we are aware, and I will certainly bet  you that the people of SF are aware of the changes of the in-home model as well as the internet sales.  They are also aware that Mrs. Cleaver is no longer home during the day, and Ward may be working third shift.  That is why they work more home shows, exhibition events and drawings to obtain leads to gain access to the homeowner through appointments rather than the door knock intrude of yesteryear.

 

A couple of decades ago a very wise and rich man and his holdings, Warren Buffett, and Berkshire Hathaway, purchased Kirby's parent company Scott-Fetzer.  Kirby was the only division that was completely left untouched. 

 

Looking at another company, Royal Appliance Manufacturing Company.  Back in the early 90's they decided to create more models and make their Dirt Devil line accessible at the department stores rather than just being available through Vacuum dealers.  What they ended up doing is having the low cost models cannibalize their items at a higher price point.

 

Kirby doesn't, and never has revolutionized; they evolve.  If Warren isn't worried about the future of Kirby, you shouldn't be either.   When, when, they are ready to introduce a new model; then they will. 

 

 

 


Post# 369557 , Reply# 33   3/30/2017 at 10:09 (202 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I hope I'm still alive to see it when they do 😁

Post# 369558 , Reply# 34   3/30/2017 at 10:22 (202 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Don't hold your breath

It's only happened twice in 100 years.

 


Post# 369559 , Reply# 35   3/30/2017 at 10:31 (202 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Haha I know. I'm quite happy with my Sentria 2 but I would love to see something new.
You never know they might surprise us one day soon :-)


Post# 369563 , Reply# 36   3/30/2017 at 10:47 (202 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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If you ever go on Youtube, and watch the training videos taken at a distributor's office - and listen to what the salesforce is trained to do and say - you'd understand why there doesn't have to ever be a 'new' model. Also, why they don't need a 'smaller, lighter machine'. The salesmen last such a short time, they'd NEVER be able to keep track of two models. They can barely keep track of the shampooer, zip brush, and renovator attachments. Most of the time, the salesmen only drag in the one box. And very, very few Kirby salesmen are 'well trained' any longer. Most Kirby salesmen were out of work and desperate for a job when they read the ad for 'set up and display' - which is Kirbyspeak for 'commissioned salesman'. They only know a little bit more than the consumer does.

Post# 369564 , Reply# 37   3/30/2017 at 10:54 (202 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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If they had a lighter less bulky model the sales people might sell more make more money and stay with the company longer and gain more knowledge about the products they are selling.

Post# 369568 , Reply# 38   3/30/2017 at 11:46 (202 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
That which Tom speaks

Is not just Kirby, it is with every DTD company.  My niece worked for Rainbow for a few weeks.  She was supposed to be paid $25 for each demonstration during her training period, plus mileage.  They found some reason to discount why  it wasn't a qualified demo, and thus not pay her for about 20 of the 25 demos she did.  Setting her own appointments as well.   She never saw a mileage payment. 

 

I was lucky enough to work for a very ethical distributor when I worked for Kirby.  He wanted me to succeed, as it made him succeed.  I am still friends with him on facebook, and still have great admiration. 

 

What we have now days, which gives the industry a bad name as well are those quick wham-bam sales, and no support afterwards.  Because people did not like being pressured, or because the were burned in the past, this behavior drove them to the big box store where they could do their own shopping.   Again this is not one over another.  I think each Rainbow, Kirby, Filterqueen, Aerus are guilty.

 

Edit to add:

Not singling them out for any other reason than their tactics, which can be verified with a google search.

If you have a Filterqueen demonstration, be prepared to have the salesperson move in with you if you refuse to buy.  Talk about not taking No for an answer.




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Post# 369570 , Reply# 39   3/30/2017 at 11:55 (202 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

I agree w/ Rob (Durango159). I was in Detroit last year and went to that famous pawn shop from the Hard Core Pawn show and they had some Kirby's in there. Granted they were older models, they looked to be on good shape. But they were so darn heavy ans awkward looking. Granted, I know you can put the Techdrive in neutral and all, but still...

Post# 369611 , Reply# 40   3/31/2017 at 00:51 (202 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

 Kirby is a lot like Amsoil was....hiding behind the ruse of door-to-door salesmen. Except that Amsoil salesmen were always trying to get their neighbors, friends and relatives to become 'dealers' so they can get the kick back.  Amsoil finally stepped up to the plate and entered the retail marketplace, but maintained the 'discount' for their dealers. 

 

In my youth, I was falsely seduced into a Kirby salesman 'seminar' with a long intro movie featuring Chuck Conners. And then later on, I had some horse dealings (literally) with a big Kirby rep in central MO....I'm sure he's dead by now and wherever he's buried, there will be a giant spiral configuration going into the ground.

 

As was said above, if Kirby had to come out of the door-to-door shadows and compete on a retail level with all the other current vacuums, especially the high-end ones, they'd be ruined in short order. Maybe they could pull it off like Amsoil if they did both on some level...I dunno.

 

I had a young friend who became a Kirby salesman a few yrs ago...I warned him.  He made his first sale and was on Cloud Nine. But then he couldn't make another and the bills were mounting up. He gave me an inside into how their process really works....he was in constant communication with his rep. The rep was wise to the customer's reactions. He could tell if the salesman was circling the wagon or if it was time to ride off into the sunset.  There were many tiers of price structure depending on how the session was going....totally the rep's call on the phone. Eventually, he had enough of high-pressure sales. As was said above, the high turnover of their 'trained' salesmen is built into their process. Unlike getting to know and grow old with your Elux salesman like back in the day, you'll most likely never see the guy again that sold you your vac.

 

Kevin

 

 


Post# 369679 , Reply# 41   3/31/2017 at 16:59 (201 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Harley,

 

To clarify, Scott & Fetzer has made 2 total redesigns of the Kirby Vacuum cleaner.

 

First generation was the 500 series that ended in 1969 with the D80.

Second generation was the Classic series which began in 1970 with the Classic I ended with the Legend II in 1993.

Third generation is the G series that began in 1993 with the G3 (so named because it was the beginning of the third generation)  and is still running today with the Avalir.

 

 


Post# 369696 , Reply# 42   3/31/2017 at 20:10 (201 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        
Umm,

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Are you sure of those dates? According to Kirby's own website, the first G3 was 1990 and the first Legend II was introduced in 1989. The 500 series ended with the 562 in 1965.

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Post# 369719 , Reply# 43   4/1/2017 at 02:41 (201 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

Yes Sptyks
2 redesigns in100 years. All evolutionary to the original design. I stand by my statement. See reply 34.


Post# 369725 , Reply# 44   4/1/2017 at 04:12 (201 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I've often thought Kirby should adopt a similar approach to Vorwerk. They work on scheduled, requested appointments only and do "sales parties" where the host gets a free gift even if nobody buys one. They don't resort to high pressure sales tactics and offer the cleaner in package bundles rather than trying to negotiate a price. More of a "this is the machine, this is what it does, this is why it's good, this is how much it costs, the end" approach.

Post# 369726 , Reply# 45   4/1/2017 at 06:23 (200 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Does Vorwerk do this same approach when they sell their Thermomix food processors?I think Kirby should redo their tool kits.Go to metal extension wands-use LOCKING tools,Get rid of that HORRIBLE floor tool.Use that as a carpet tool and provide a separate hard floor tool.Also offer an alternative to the carpet shampoo system-a dry carpet powder system-an attachment to work the dry powder in and a dump bag to use to pick it up.Offedr an electric hose so electric hand tools could be used.And--an a powernozzle for this so you can use that in areas where the upright won't fit.

Post# 369730 , Reply# 46   4/1/2017 at 10:26 (200 days old) by ryanm (New York )        

I agree about the tool set on the new Kirby's, the hose is very stiff, nothing like the hoses used with the Heritage II etc, and I liked the tool sets before the Generation series, they were much better and I liked that each tool had the Kirby name on it too. The current tool set is just cheap for a machine that costs so much, but still my favorite vacuum.

Post# 369733 , Reply# 47   4/1/2017 at 12:07 (200 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Their carpet tool leaves a lot to be desired, even if only used on area rugs and under beds. Too much dead space on each side. No edge cleaning whatsoever. I bought a separate brush for hard surface floors and actually use it on my throw rugs as well. You have to learn how to use it on the throw rugs, but once you get the knack, it does pretty well....


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Post# 369734 , Reply# 48   4/1/2017 at 12:13 (200 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Bill,

 

Yes, it seems I did misstate the dates of the Legend II and G3. However, I am correct according to the Kirby website, the 500 series ended with the D80 and the Kirby Classic begins the Classic series.

 

 


Post# 369750 , Reply# 49   4/1/2017 at 18:54 (200 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        
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I think I see a discrepancy with the listing of the 562. The text says January 1962 through January 1965, but the timeline picture lines up pretty closely with 1970. Which is correct?

Bill


Post# 369755 , Reply# 50   4/1/2017 at 20:05 (200 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Bill,

 

The text is correct.

The D50 came out in 1965. I know because I own one.

The D50 was replaced by the D80 which ended the 500 series.

 

 

 

 


Post# 370424 , Reply# 51   4/10/2017 at 12:37 (191 days old) by myles_v (Stafford, Virginia, USA)        

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I'd still rather have the Ultimate G Diamond Edition than any of the other newer models. It had a delicate setting which is super nice sometimes, and besides the delicate switch and a few cosmetic changes (and maybe the mini emptor) they haven't changed much since then.

Of course, they've hardly changed since the G3 but I do like the hi/lo switch.


Post# 370432 , Reply# 52   4/10/2017 at 15:06 (191 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Myles,

 

I don't know where you've been hanging around, but there's been many changes to the Kirby G series over the years.

 

The Low Speed switch was removed from all G series machines after the Diamond edition because it caused too many burnt out motors, so Kirby removed it for good from the Sentria onward.





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