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Thread Number: 33736
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Riccar Pristine.. being discontinued?? |
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| Post# 366551 2/11/2017 at 12:43 (2,629 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Was just browsing through the Riccar website and noticed that the Pristine canister is no longer in the lineup. Does anybody know if it's being discontinued? | ||
| Post# 366552 , Reply# 1 2/11/2017 at 13:07 (2,629 days old) by senornathan (Massachusetts) | ||
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I've noticed that some machines are no longer listed on the Riccar site, but are still on the Simplicity site (for example, the Butler). Looks like it's still available as the Simplicity Verve. | ||
| Post# 366553 , Reply# 2 2/11/2017 at 13:09 (2,629 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Oh yea, just noticed that too | ||
| Post# 366554 , Reply# 3 2/11/2017 at 13:24 (2,629 days old) by senornathan (Massachusetts) | ||
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Actually... Looks like the Simplicity Whoosh (Riccar Butler) is no longer listed also. So it may be that its days are numbered... maybe because of the Prima? | ||
| Post# 366556 , Reply# 4 2/11/2017 at 13:36 (2,629 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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To me It looks like the Prima has taken the Pristine'as place ( I could be wrong) I long for the day when the top two models (Immaculate & Impeccable) will be updated True, I think I actually heard somewhere that the butler would be phased out | ||
| Post# 366582 , Reply# 5 2/11/2017 at 19:19 (2,628 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
I'm actually surprised the 8955 is still listed on Riccar's website. I thought it was discontinued after the R20UP came out, I know the 7850 did after the S20UP came out. Even some of the Commercial models on both websites are no longer listed as well. I've sent emails to both Riccar and Simplicity not long ago (Even their Facebook page as well) about some models that are no longer listed or if there were new models coming out soon, never heard back from them.
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| Post# 366586 , Reply# 6 2/11/2017 at 19:50 (2,628 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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The Simplicity 7 series was discontinued (I know for sure) a long tome ago, but the 8955 is still being made. I was told so by the vac shop, and they still had it for sale last time I was in. My guess is that the websites arent updated as often. | ||
| Post# 366617 , Reply# 7 2/12/2017 at 13:37 (2,628 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Another thing I was surprised is that the old school residential Symmetries and Vibrances are back listed online. Even the newer R20S and the S20S was discontinued and replaced by the R20SC and the S20SC. I guess Tacony decided to remake these because Vacuum Stores and Consumers must have really liked those models. However I just noticed that the Simplicity SYMPBP is no longer listed, I hope that model didn't get discontinued because I really like the color on that model.
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| Post# 366762 , Reply# 8 2/14/2017 at 10:19 (2,626 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
All the medium size canisters (Verve, Pristine, Cinch, etc.) are discontinued but could still be available at a dealer's store. The Outlet Store still has two Verve's for sale (for example).
The full size, made in the USA canisters are still available, as are the Sunburst and Jill. The Wonder and Prima have taken the place of all the mid size power team and straight suction canister models. The new-for-2017 Wonder and Prima models will also have a Tandem-Air power nozzle and will be available in new colors (love the pearl white Wonder with Tandem power head). Beginning in second quarter 2017, the Wonder and Prima will be made in St. James, Missouri. The factory has to hire additional people to make them (Yay). The 8955 is made when the factory gets enough backorders to make a day's worth of machines. The commercial 8925 is still being made on that assembly line, so it's not too much of a trick to switch over to make the household machine. The R20S and S20S were discontinued in favor of the 'old body style' "SC" models. As one model "up" from the entry level, the old body style was a natural, leaving the new body style machine (the "20.2" series) as the high end models. | ||
| Post# 366763 , Reply# 9 2/14/2017 at 11:09 (2,626 days old) by senornathan (Massachusetts) | ||
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New Primas? Made in the USA? New nozzles? All this sounds incredibly awesome! I'll definitely be checking these out once they're here. Thanks for letting us know! | ||
| Post# 366766 , Reply# 10 2/14/2017 at 11:56 (2,626 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Thanks For the info Tom.. always get excited about new Tacony products! | ||
| Post# 366770 , Reply# 11 2/14/2017 at 12:50 (2,626 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 366772 , Reply# 12 2/14/2017 at 12:57 (2,626 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Yea and especially since they will be built here :) I hope the current Power nozzles will still be made even though newer Tandem air types will soon follow | ||
| Post# 366775 , Reply# 13 2/14/2017 at 14:05 (2,626 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The Prima/Wonder will have in total, four different Power Nozzles that can be used with them. The Compact power nozzle (kind of like the Miele "Barbie's dream house" power nozzle - the 217). The Full Size with double row brush roller. The Full Size with triple row brush roller and electronic dirt sensor. And now, the new Tandem Air power nozzle.
My favorite part is the fact that the Tandem Air power nozzle fits the hose handle. Furniture and stair cleaning will be the deepest dirt removal yet. Power Nozzles continue to be made at the Factory in Missouri, and starting the second quarter of 2017 (April), so will the canisters themselves. In the two years that the Wonder/Prima have been on the market, the machines have held up beautifully. They have proven to be durable and long lasting. | ||
| Post# 366777 , Reply# 14 2/14/2017 at 14:21 (2,626 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Will the Tandem air power nozzle be a corded PN, or the cordless Volt? | ||
| Post# 366778 , Reply# 15 2/14/2017 at 14:27 (2,626 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Tom, great news that the Riccar Prima / Simplicity Wonder will be built in Missouri this year. However, will the 3 current power nozzles be discontinued in favor of the Tandem Air powerhead? And will the Tandem Air powerhead be battery powered as the Volt powerhead is, or will it draw it's power supply thru a electric hose?
Don't get me wrong, the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is a great innovation for central vac owners with Hide a Hose & older straight suction systems wanting to upgrade to a electric powerhead, particularly since the Tandem Air aspect will help boost the airflow & suction capabilities of the central vac system while in use on carpets, especially with older systems with lesser power than today's systems & the standards they meet. It would also be great for straight suction canister owners that want to upgrade without purchasing a whole new powerhead canister vacuum. However, a few distinct disadvantages the Volt Tandem Air powerhead would have, since it's essentially a modified battery powered clean air upright, is there's no serpentine v belt option for lesser maintenance, no swivel steering, & would be virtually impossible to get under ultra-low surfaces, such as beds, that a regular canister vacuum powerhead can get with ease. The main reason why people buy canisters is for attachment use, bare floor cleaning, & cleaning under & around surfaces a upright cannot reach. As much as the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is nice, & people can see it's cleaning performance advantages, if it was the only option available you would encourage powerhead canister vacuum buyers to buy from your competition. I know that, for me, if I was a regular owner & not a collector, I wouldn't buy it for my only vacuum. If Tacony was thinking of phasing out the 3 available powerheads for the Wonder/Prima in favor of the Volt, you might strongly encourage them to reconsider, especially since your direct competition is Miele. For anyone wanting the older canisters, such as the Simplicity Verve & Riccar Pristine, Hibbert Wholesale here in Canada is showing they have them in stock on their website. So if you want one, find a dealer & order quick before they dry up & are gone forever. Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbylux77's LINK | ||
| Post# 366815 , Reply# 17 2/15/2017 at 09:55 (2,625 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 366820 , Reply# 18 2/15/2017 at 10:54 (2,625 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Tom. | ||
| Post# 366825 , Reply# 19 2/15/2017 at 11:37 (2,625 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Post# 366937 , Reply# 20 2/16/2017 at 16:11 (2,624 days old) by n0oxy  (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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new prima Glad to see that the prima and wonder are such a success. Will the new models use the same motor? I already have the prima, great vacuum for sure, is there any advantage to getting one of the new models when they are released? | ||
| Post# 366942 , Reply# 21 2/16/2017 at 18:08 (2,624 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The Woosh and the other model names of the same machine, have been discontinued. It's replacement is awesome. Engineering has been working on it for more than three years to perfect it. I do not know when it's launch date is.
Mike: the tandem air power nozzle holds its advantage for cleaning wall to wall carpeting. There will be three other power nozzles available, so the machine can be customized for each individual home. I am in love with the pearl white color of the new wonder. | ||
| Post# 366943 , Reply# 22 2/16/2017 at 18:45 (2,624 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Nice! Having choice is key nowadays, especially when it comes to power nozzles. Tom, are there any plans to revamp the full sized canisters in the future? Would love to know :) | ||
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Post# 366947 , Reply# 23 2/16/2017 at 20:31 (2,623 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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customization Yes, customization is a good thing. The electrical connector on the prima hose is also standard, so you can hook up other power nozzles than the Tacony models as well. I've gotten the Prima to work with power nozzles from Wessel Werk, Sebo, and Lindhaus. Will be interesting to see what the tandom power nozzle is like when it's released. | ||
| Post# 366972 , Reply# 24 2/17/2017 at 09:49 (2,623 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Steve:
I have heard nothing about the Full Size canister line's fate. As of yesterday, they were building the Riccar full size canisters on the assembly line.
I do know the company is extremely pleased with the durability of the Wonder/Prima machines. So much so, that Tacony is going to build them in America. Sales have increased dramatically, and it now makes sense to build them in the USA. | ||
| Post# 366980 , Reply# 25 2/17/2017 at 11:40 (2,623 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Steve, I don't think the Simplicity Moxie, Gusto, Riccar Immaculate & Impeccable will be discontinued anytime soon. Updated? Yes. I can see how the full-size models would get the Wonder / Prima bag with the plastic collar & their wand & powerhead neck.
The Simplicity Wonder / Riccar Prima machines don't have certain TOL features the full-size canisters do, such as variable speed on the hose handle, bag & filter change indicator on the hose handle, longer hose, activated charcoal filter in the bag chamber, & extra attachments such as the small floor brush onboard. There will always be customers willing to pay extra for those extra features. Tom - Any possibility we will see a Tandem Air powerhead for the full size canisters in the future? Like I said, I wouldn't own a canister with the Tandem Air powerhead as my only vacuum, but I would be interested in adding it on to my Simplicity Gusto, since I already have the premium powerhead with the dirt sensor. It would be nice to have for those situations where you want the carpet to be "extra clean", like moving into a new home with older carpeting. Rob | ||
| Post# 367044 , Reply# 27 2/17/2017 at 22:56 (2,622 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Steve - I really like it! It's a good canister vacuum. The MSRP is $1,529 US dollars, the local shop first had it priced at $1,053 CDN dollars when they first brought the Gusto & the Moxie in to sell. They had the Gusto on clearance for $726 & they weren't moving, so I offered $675 & they took it. I think for that price I stole it :-). Compared to the Miele C3 Powerplus canister that is it's direct competition in Canada with the hose handle controls, it is a good vacuum with some minor flaws that could be improved on. I'll have to do a review of it on Vacuumland sometime.
Bottom line is, compared to Miele, Miele has the better bags, filtration, & build quality* , & Riccar/Simplicity has the better hose, wand, powerhead, & attachments. And that's why you ultimately buy a canister over a upright. Don't get me wrong....Miele is nice, but for the build quality & other reasons, they are, in my opinion, rather overpriced for what you get. Rob *Some people, including vac shop professionals, would say that since Miele is German made & Riccar/Simplicity are American made with Chinese motor & components, Miele is better build quality. I entirely disagree & think in certain respects both are equal in their own ways. | ||
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Post# 367055 , Reply# 28 2/18/2017 at 03:24 (2,622 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Will the 120V tandem air powernozzles be available as a package for central vacuums that have electric hoses?This could be a good option. | ||
| Post# 367063 , Reply# 29 2/18/2017 at 09:19 (2,622 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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That's a good question. The swivel neck of the Tandem Air power nozzle has a somewhat unique size, as do the wands and hose end. I will have to ask the marketing department what their thoughts are, since all new products start with the marketing department's desire for something particular.
As more and more central vac installations are going with hose management ( hide a hose ), the cordless tandem air power nozzle is selling in much greater quantities. We are selling dramatically less of the "kits" that run to standard or electravalves. With hide a hose, you must use a cordless power nozzle, as the hose is non-electric. In my personal experience, I have a sixty foot Hide-a-Hose in my home, along with three electravalves, a Vroom (in kitchen), 2 Wally Flex units (over workbench, and in laundry room), and a garage inlet. It's a very rare day I use my 30 foot electric hose and Premium Riccar power nozzle. So much easier to use the Volt tandem air cordless power head with the Hide-A-Hose. | ||
| Post# 367075 , Reply# 30 2/18/2017 at 13:02 (2,622 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 367077 , Reply# 31 2/18/2017 at 13:28 (2,622 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 367150 , Reply# 33 2/19/2017 at 15:28 (2,621 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 367152 , Reply# 34 2/19/2017 at 15:35 (2,621 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Glad to hear you like it, Rob.. didn't know Tacony products were available in Canada. You definitely got for the biggest deal ever. Miele never really impressed me (uprights especially) much but they still are worth considering for some people. | ||
| Post# 368619 , Reply# 36 3/18/2017 at 15:31 (2,594 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 368632 , Reply# 37 3/18/2017 at 17:49 (2,594 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ) | ||
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Rob Are the top of the line Simplicity/ Riccar canisters as quiet as the Miele C3's? Also, do their current top power heads swivel? I heard from a dealer they do not. | ||
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Post# 368634 , Reply# 38 3/18/2017 at 18:15 (2,594 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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sound of Riccar and Miele I have a Miele C1 Olympus and a Riccar Prima. As far as I know, all of the Miele canisters use the same motor. I can say for sure that the Riccar Prima is quieter than the Miele C1. Now, the C3 may be quieter than the C1, I think the C3 models may be more sealed. But the Riccar Prima is a very quiet machine, you can have a normal conversation while it's running. | ||
| Post# 368636 , Reply# 39 3/18/2017 at 18:39 (2,594 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ) | ||
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I believe the C2 and C3 are more quiet than the C1. They are supposed to have more insulation around the motors than the C1. | ||
| Post# 368650 , Reply# 40 3/18/2017 at 21:29 (2,593 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Mike/Mixman - Well, I can't say for certain that compared to the current Miele C3 canisters that the full sized Tacony canisters are just as quiet. But, I don't find it that loud, & if it IS louder, it's not by much. The real noise comes from the powerhead, it does make quite a racket! And yes, the powerhead neck does swivel on the Tacony powerhead. Having said that, I think Miele's powerhead necks on the SEB228 & SEB236 may be slightly nicer swivel than the Tacony powerhead. But, IMHO, the Tacony powerhead is the better choice. Why? Well, you can take the brushroll out by removing 2 screws & taking the bottom plate off, & the entire powerhead is easy to take apart & service & repair. Anyone who has ever owned a Miele SEB236 powerhead will tell you that thing is a nightmare to take apart, it's WAY too overengineered & complicated. Then there's the metal brushroll, & the fact that the TOL powerhead has a dirt sensor & more height adjustment positions. And finally, I like that the Tacony powerhead has a powerhead neck cord on the outside of the neck, NOT thin, brittle wires like Miele's powerheads use that break way too easily & too fragile to withstand regular putting in & taking out the wand. My problems with my S558 Miele Red Velvet was the powerhead neck wiring & the cordreel, & although I might buy another in the future, those 2 areas would make me hesitate to buy again.
Mike/n0oxy - The Miele C1 canisters are just as sealed as the C3 canisters, don't buy into Miele's marketing BS! Their sleazy little tactic to claim the C1 canisters aren't a "sealed system" is on the C1 body, around the bag chamber, there is no seal where the bag door meets the body like the C2 & C3 series have, it is just hard plastic there on the C1 series. However, that would affect suction & airflow, NOT filtration, since the bag door tube carries all the dirt into the bag before the air can escape & go into the pre-motor filter & then into the HEPA filter. Ask a dealer to install a HEPA filter into a C1 & run a particle scanner on it while he's demonstrating it, it will go down to zero just like other Miele canisters. GoVacuum.com did a demonstration video back when the C1 series came out that shows this, I will see if I can find it on YouTube. The reason why Miele makes the claim the C1 isn't sealed is they want people to upgrade to the C3, & I think it's a shame they make their dealers lie just to make them more profit. Rob | ||
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