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Post# 365437   1/21/2017 at 07:22 (2,645 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Are there any canister vacuums manufactured now that have hoses longer than 6ft and don't have a bulky gas-pump handle? Maybe I'm spoiled by the 9 or 10ft hose with pistol grip that was on my mom's Kenmore Power-Mate growing up but I don't get why great companies like Miele still make expensive machines with short hoses? I had a 15 year old Miele S528 Filtration Guard canister with powerhead that had a decent hose but gave it away to a family member. We then got a new Miele Cat and Dog as a replacement and the hose definitely seems shorter. I feel like the Miele is on my heels when I'm cleaning so I sold it. Looking at the specs online I haven't found a canister with a 7ft or longer hose. Any recommendations?

Post# 365446 , Reply# 1   1/21/2017 at 11:23 (2,645 days old) by ronni (USA)        

I don't have a recommendation for you, but wanted to make sure you know that longer hoses reduce suction air power.

Check this out:

www.edwardsvacuum.com/asia/newsle...

Post# 365447 , Reply# 2   1/21/2017 at 11:34 (2,645 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Thanks for the link. We have a central vacuum with a 40ft HAH outlet and the suction is incredible. The other 8+ outlets in the house work fine no matter the distance from the main power unit in our garage. It has been my experience that so long as the motor is powerful, there's not a noticeable difference in suction power.

Post# 365453 , Reply# 3   1/21/2017 at 12:27 (2,645 days old) by ronni (USA)        

Good point. I've used a NuTone CVS and was also impressed with its suction. I wonder how the motor ratings compare on average among CVSs, cylinders/tanks, and canisters?

So companies may just be trying to reduce costs by making the hoses shorter.



Post# 365455 , Reply# 4   1/21/2017 at 12:51 (2,645 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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My Kenmore Progressive has a nine foot hose, but other than that and the newer Kenmore Elites I can't think of many others.

Post# 365457 , Reply# 5   1/21/2017 at 14:16 (2,645 days old) by sheetstyler (Mooresville)        
Rainbow E2 Black

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The standard hose comes with it is 9 feet and you can get a longer hose for it that is 14 feet

Post# 365458 , Reply# 6   1/21/2017 at 14:27 (2,645 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
12 foot

 electric hose is available for Aerus Guardian Platinum.


Post# 365466 , Reply# 7   1/21/2017 at 19:27 (2,644 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I know that one of the European-made Electrolux canisters comes with a 9 foot hose that can be wrapped around the canister with a built-in bungee cord. I think it is called the Ergospace.

Post# 365468 , Reply# 8   1/21/2017 at 19:31 (2,644 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Here is the Ergospace....great little quiet/powerful suction only canisters!



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Post# 365479 , Reply# 9   1/22/2017 at 00:38 (2,644 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I think the actual ergonomics between a six ft hose and a seven ft hose are very notable. And if the motor design is powerful enough in suction and airflow, the differences are insignificant.....or can be made to be. Longer than eight ft I have no experience with other than shop vacs.

 

Good point on central vacs....wondering what their suction and airflow #'s are typically? They may be in a totally different airflow league than a mere canister.

 

Kevin

 
Post# 365589 , Reply# 10   1/24/2017 at 15:10 (2,642 days old) by ronni (USA)        

Thanks, Kevin. One would think that if airflow were not significantly reduced some manufacturers would offer the longer hoses as canister options.

Here's one comparison--between Aerus's Centralux and Lux Guardian Platinum from company brochures:


Centralux (CVS): 16A @ 120V; 600AW (main motor); 138" H2O

Lux Guardian Platiunum (canister): 9A @ 120V; 505AW (main motor); " H20 not given

Post# 365603 , Reply# 11   1/24/2017 at 20:40 (2,641 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        
Water Lift For The Guardian

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is 116". Info is right on their website.

Bill

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Post# 365606 , Reply# 12   1/24/2017 at 21:33 (2,641 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Look at the amperage draw difference.....if you had a ten ft hose on the LUX and a ten ft hose on the Centralux....wouldn't the motor be easier to 'recover' itself with a partial blockage while vacuuming with the Centralux, than the LUX motor would with the same partial blockage?

 

Kevin
Post# 365690 , Reply# 13   1/26/2017 at 23:02 (2,639 days old) by ronni (USA)        

Thanks for the link, Bill. I didn't see the info on the ebrochure; good to know that it's listed under the Features and Benefits on the webpage.

Kevin, that's logical. Good point.

Post# 365708 , Reply# 14   1/27/2017 at 13:47 (2,639 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I'm not sure....

if that idea holds true with electric motors(although they do have to have some sort of a torque factor).....but I was thinking it might be like a 4 cylinder motor struggling, while a V-8 wouldn't be breaking a sweat. 

 

Looking at the formula for AW, that would seem a pretty amazing AW# from the LUX canister, no?

 

Kevin

 

 
Post# 365733 , Reply# 15   1/27/2017 at 21:56 (2,638 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        
Central Vacuum... all the stuff you would ever want to know

 The best resource I can think of for Central vacuum information is a business called Central Vacuum Stores. I've bought from them before.

Most of the CV units are measured in "Air Watts"... which is Water Lift and Airflow factored together.

When I moved to this town, my home had a non-working Nutone that was original from the 70's... I got it working, and bought compatible hoses for it. Fast forward 7 years, I opted to upgrade the power unit, and I'm glad I did.

I'm a technology nerd, and the "Best" vacuum ever has always been something that buzzes in my brain. For a long time, I was a Rainbow fan, since the "smell" of the dustbag always got to me... but the pot of dirt wasn't much fun either. Central vac is the new favorite... Since it exhausts outside, no smell, less noise, more power! The "consumer" vac market is all plastic, but there's some really solid stuff on the CV market. I'm a total convert. Central vacs are like "Hot Rod" cars... you can put the motor you want, the power head you want, the tools you want... most is completely interchangeable. My system started life as Nutone, but it now Imperium/Nutone/Vacuflow hybrid.... and it SUCKS... in the good way.

Post# 365741 , Reply# 16   1/28/2017 at 07:33 (2,638 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Wow so many replies since I last checked the site. I do love our central vac system at our main residence but was looking for a canister for our beach home which doesn't lend itself to retrofitting a system. The main living areas of the home are all hardwood with carpeted bedrooms. There's a lot of sand and dog hair to clean up and for the last ten years we've been using the yellow Eureka Mighty Mite and a blue line Sanitaire upright for the bedrooms. It would be nice to be able to just have one vacuum that does it all without costing over $400.

Post# 365743 , Reply# 17   1/28/2017 at 08:28 (2,638 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
power of central vacuums and a few other notes

 It's true that a central vacuum will usually be more powerful than a portable vacuum for a couple of reasons. First, it's assumed that the central vacuum will not be moving around so a larger motor can be used. Second, you need a more powerful motor to pull the air through the piping that is used in a central vacuum system. Really, as long as the water lift and airflow are around or above 100, the vacuum will clean well whether a central vacuum or portable. If you really want a powerful beast, get a central vacuum power unit, attach a small piece of pipe and a utility valve directly to it and connect a central vacuum hose, you then have a long hose vacuum that's very powerful because you don't have all the pipes, and it's very powerful. I have 7 central vacuum units throughout my apartment set up this way.

Post# 365748 , Reply# 18   1/28/2017 at 10:03 (2,638 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
central vacuums that don't require piping

 Rather than getting a canister vacuum and having to deal with a short hose, you might check out these three options, they have central vacuum motors, and also have a hose inlet on the unit.
First is the vacumaid garage vac pro, this has a two stage 5.7 motor, I have this unit, it's quite powerful, it comes with a hose, but you could purchase an electric hose and power nozzle if you needed to use those.
vacumaid.com/product/garage-vac-p...
Then there is the intervac unit. This one is not quite as powerful as some other central vacuums but will definitely get the job done, you can purchase just the power unit and then use any central vacuum hose you want.
They also sell a power unit and kit combination, but I would suggest just getting the power unit and then choosing the central vacuum hose and accessories you prefer, again, there is a central vacuum hose inlet right on the top of the unit.
www.intervacdesign.com/store/p41/...
And finally there is the drainvac atomik. I don't have this one but have thought about getting it. This one can be hooked up with pipes or can be portable, I think it comes with a hose and attachments, but again, you should be able to use a different hose and attachments if you wish.
www.thinkvacuums.com/central-vacu...

Post# 365749 , Reply# 19   1/28/2017 at 10:12 (2,638 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Thanks for the suggestions on a free-standing unit. I think I'll try and stick with a canister as I can imagine a free-standing unit being a bit of an eye sore and not as easily tucked away.


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