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Thread Number: 33508
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Miele C3 Total Solution Allergy or Sebo Airbelt E3 Premium |
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| Post# 364996 , Reply# 1 1/11/2017 at 08:36 (2,655 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
My 2¢ Both are good 
You can't go wrong with either machine but check if the Meile comes with an electric power nozzle w/height adjustment (it will get through the thick carpet) instead of the turbo nozzle & also the Sebo w/height adjustment on the power nozzle is great with thick pile carpets. It comes down to you which one you'd like & which one will perform best on that thick carpet. Also look at the bag capacity too. I've got the Miele Cat/Dog which gets up all the cat fuzz in one pass with the SEB 228 power nozzle which I think works better then the other ones.
*Disclaimer* these are my personal opinions & will differ greatly from others on here.
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| Post# 364999 , Reply# 2 1/11/2017 at 09:05 (2,655 days old) by Tygar2 (Essex) | ||
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Thanks Marks. Unfortunately here in the UK only the £400+ 800w C3 Electroplus gets the electric brush head. The C3 Total solution is 1200w with air powered turbo brush. The Sebo E3 is 700w with 175w electric brush. | ||
| Post# 365003 , Reply# 3 1/11/2017 at 09:37 (2,655 days old) by Tygar2 (Essex) | ||
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Thanks Marks. Unfortunately here in the UK only the £400+ 800w C3 Electroplus gets the electric brush head. The C3 Total solution is 1200w with air powered turbo brush. The Sebo E3 is 700w with 175w electric brush. | ||
| Post# 365004 , Reply# 4 1/11/2017 at 09:38 (2,655 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 365007 , Reply# 5 1/11/2017 at 11:07 (2,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 365008 , Reply# 6 1/11/2017 at 11:48 (2,655 days old) by Spiraclean (UK) | ||
Definitely the Sebo. An electric powerhead will always clean better than a turbo brush, plus you also get a 5 year guarantee as standard and a slightly longer hose. Bags, filters and spares are reasonably priced for Sebo, whereas Miele consumables tend to be on the dear side to say the least.
I have the D4 Premium Eco, which is the larger cousin to the E3, and the 700 watt motor is plenty powerful. Does a great job, and two years in, I'm still very happy with it. | ||
| Post# 365009 , Reply# 7 1/11/2017 at 12:34 (2,655 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I much prefer the way the attachments are stored under the hood of the Miele C3. But with all that carpeting, you do indeed need an electric power nozzle. It might be well worth the investment to go for the deluxe Miele with the electric nozzle. It also provides an easier way to shut off the brush roll right on the hose handle, rather than pressing the little button on the Sebo powerhead.
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| Post# 365013 , Reply# 9 1/11/2017 at 15:25 (2,655 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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If you need to adjust your carpet nozzle for various heights, the Sebo requires you to bend down and adjust the height by hand. With the Miele electric nozzle, you do this with your foot.
If you go for the Miele with electric nozzle, you should ask your seller if he would throw in this handy mini turbo nozzle for free. It's very well designed for car cleaning as it can get into very tight spaces: CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 365015 , Reply# 10 1/11/2017 at 16:40 (2,654 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Another vote for the Sebo. Whilst the Miele's do look more stylish, Sebo's are incredibly robust and the powernozzle will give greater performance on carpets. The Sebo does also store the smaller dusting tools onboard, just the different floorheads that don't (which is the same as the Miele).
Tygar, don't worry about the recent wattage caps. 700w is more than enough to clean well. Wattage is not a direct indicator of suction power, it only tells you how much electricity the machine uses. More power doesn't always mean more suction, it's more about the internals of the machine. Hence a poorly designed 1600w vacuum won't clean as well as a well designed 700w vacuum. The new Henry's, for example, at 620w - almost half the motor power that they used to be, and yet they've improved performance by 10% due to redesigning the tools and motor. | ||
| Post# 365020 , Reply# 11 1/11/2017 at 18:35 (2,654 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 365053 , Reply# 13 1/12/2017 at 00:44 (2,654 days old) by Spiraclean (UK) | ||
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Chris and Roger summed it up perfectly. I'd agree that the 700 watt motor has enough power to get the job done, and I've never felt that it needed more oomph.
With regard to the four (!) floor heads supplied with the Miele, it's a nice idea, but you'll likely find most of them will never leave the cupboard. Toting them all around with you, and swapping from one to another each time you go from one surface to another, will soon get tiresome. A rotating brush for carpets, and ONE suction-only head for laminate, will do everything you need while keeping things as simple and practical as possible. | ||
Post# 365097 , Reply# 15 1/14/2017 at 01:37 (2,652 days old) by tolivac  (Greenville,NC) |
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SEBO!!! All the way.Tried an E series Sebo at the dealer here in Greenville-excellent vacuum.The real electric powernozzle is better than the turbine ones by far. | ||
| Post# 365206 , Reply# 16 1/16/2017 at 16:20 (2,650 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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tristar cxl has better fitlration & outcleans both the sebo & miele | ||
| Post# 365220 , Reply# 17 1/17/2017 at 06:32 (2,649 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 365481 , Reply# 19 1/22/2017 at 06:06 (2,644 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Post# 365527 , Reply# 21 1/23/2017 at 06:24 (2,643 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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The Sebo E will be in my future.Have several Miele vacuums-will also do my tests.Both are good vacuums. | ||
| Post# 365529 , Reply# 22 1/23/2017 at 07:04 (2,643 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I wouldn't pay any attention to the ratings stickers, they're total nonsense. For example, they rated a Vax upright with no brushroll off function higher on hard floors than a Henry suction cleaner. We all know that cylinders are far better on hard floors. The testing methods don't accurately represent in-home performance and are all carried out by the manufacturers so there is no consistent testing.
I can absolutely guarantee that the Sebo will out-clean the Miele on carpet purely because of the powernozzle. When cleaning carpets, the suction is secondary. The brushroll does the bulk of the work, sweeping the dirt into the suction path which is then sucked into the bag. Because it's motor driven, the powernozzle won't slow down on carpet like a turbo brush, so will lift the pile better. With regards to long term maintenance, the Sebo bags are 8 bags for £9.99 vs 4 Miele bags for £12.99, so longer term, the Sebo is cheaper to maintain. The Sebo also has a longer guarantee from the start. | ||
| Post# 365543 , Reply# 24 1/23/2017 at 10:27 (2,643 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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it is hard work....am I doing something wrong? | ||
| Post# 365550 , Reply# 26 1/23/2017 at 14:26 (2,643 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 365551 , Reply# 27 1/23/2017 at 14:52 (2,643 days old) by tygar2 (Essex) | ||
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Thanks. Will check them out. | ||
| Post# 365567 , Reply# 29 1/23/2017 at 23:45 (2,642 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Arthur
I think you made the right choice here.
First off, your experience with the Miele carpet/floor nozzle sticking to the carpet is spot on. It seems most manufacturers are trying to greatly improve the carpet cleaning efficiency of their powerheads & carpet/floor nozzles to make the most use of the suction/airflow the vacuum produces, since they have to deal with the new EU guidelines for decreased power consumption. However, I think if you had ordered a Miele C3 with the SEB228 powerhead, you would find the Miele to clean equally well, if not slightly better, & you would not have the problem of the head sticking to the floor. In addition, the Miele Airclean bags are superior to most other HEPA Cloth bags on the market, since they are 9 layer bags....they are superior in respect to the fact that you can literally stuff the bag to 3/4 full before you start to see ANY loss of suction, even if you are picking up fine, powdery dust, dirt & sand. Due to this, this more than makes up for the higher price of the bags, since the usable capacity before changing is much greater for Miele. Having said that, the build quality of Miele's canisters is definitely inferior to that of Sebo's canisters, & might I dare say, extremely overpriced for the build quality you get. For this reason, I would choose Sebo over Miele. One major area Sebo wins points, in particular, is the quality of the powerhead neck, overall design & the wiring used. I owned a 2004 Miele S558 Red Velvet with the SEB236 powerhead, & the 2 major problems I had was with the powerhead neck wiring failing prematurely, & the cordreel. I had it repaired once, & after only 7 or 8 uses, it broke down again! At that point, I was so fed up I jury-rigged the powerhead neck wiring myself & made it so the electric wand was permanently attached to the powerhead, & bought a spare wand from the local vac shop to use with the floor brush. The ONLY WAY now I would recommend anyone to buy a Miele canister, regardless of which powerhead it comes with, is to buy a spare wand & leave the powerhead permanently attached. If you don't touch it, it can't break. It is my opinion that Miele's powerhead neck wiring is too thin & brittle, & not capable of standing up to daily use & repeated inserting & removing the electric wand to use both the powerhead & floor brush. This also applies to generic Wessell Werk powerheads other manufacturers use, since Miele's powerheads are re-badged Wessell Werk products. In addition, the onboard tools for the Miele are unacceptable for a TOL canister in it's price range....the crevice tool is ridiculously short, & the dusting brush is too small. The Parquet Twister floor brush is too big....while it picks up fine dust & sand perfectly fine, any large particles, such as a dried up pea or small pebble, you have to move the tool in a million different directions to pick up large particles. The optional handheld turbo brush, while it works great, gets pet hair wrapped around the brushroll, & unlike other handheld turbo brushes, it cannot be opened up completely to clean out & cut away the hair. Best of luck with your new Sebo. Rob | ||
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