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Reason to love old vacuums
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Post# 364743   1/6/2017 at 07:04 (2,659 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Now this is just a simple test with suction and airflow performance between the mid 90's Lux Royal D790 and new Electrolux UltraFlex.
So why I personally like old/vintage vacuums compared to the modern ones.

Vintage:
+ better build quality
+ two stage motor (twin fan)
+ how they look
+ smooth sound
+ performance (surprisingly)
+ design
+ long life span

New:
- all plastic design
- high pitched sound
- one stage motor (one fan)
- toy look
- short life span

Video to proof the performance:





Post# 364746 , Reply# 1   1/6/2017 at 07:45 (2,659 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I prefer my older Lux also

Post# 364749 , Reply# 2   1/6/2017 at 09:09 (2,659 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

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Yeah!
Nothing beats an older vacuum!

Here are just a few examples of old & new

New Old
Eureka AirSpeed Eureka Model 9
Hoover Windtunnel Air Hoover Convertible
Bissell PowerForce Bissell Plus
Dirt Devil Breeze Dirt Devil Classic
Dyson Cinetic Fantom Fury

Etc

The old ones are better



Post# 364750 , Reply# 3   1/6/2017 at 09:19 (2,659 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Lets assume that 1976 is "Vintage" since it was more than 40 years ago.

Sears Best PowerMate canister - all plastic, poor quality (most of the power nozzles broke while under warranty or soon thereafter), terrible quality hose (they all split), loud, belching dust through one ply bag, troublesome cord winder, hard to pull around.

Or, go back another decade - 1966. Sunbeam Courier, loud, terrible filtration, motors almost universally failed very quickly, belching dust, turned over at the drop of a hat.

After the 1930's (Post World War II), the quality of vacuums began to decline. Not overnight, and not all of them. But you can see it if you have a museum full of them and spend every hour at work playing with, and talking about, vintage vacuums.



Post# 364756 , Reply# 4   1/6/2017 at 09:50 (2,659 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Tom Makes a very good point

  Not all vintage is good.  Not all new is bad.

 

There are good and bad items in all areas of products.  The manufacturers have been doing the same thing since the beginning of time.  Trying to make the most profit, by building as cheaply as they can and selling as high as they can.   Sometimes the corners they cut turns their perfectly square product into an oval.

 

 


Post# 364758 , Reply# 5   1/6/2017 at 10:32 (2,659 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Cost reduction is always a big concern.

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Look at Convertible, for instance. They said,"If you can trim even $.01 from every unit, think of the savings". Look at hoses: cloth to veriflex, ultraflex, tufflex, hair dryer hose, pool filter.... look at bags, too, as well as length of cords.
Sometimes, it didn't hurt the integrity of the machine. But, sometimes, it did, bigtime.


Post# 364761 , Reply# 6   1/6/2017 at 12:07 (2,659 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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And sadly, the majority of consumers eventually forget how truly awesome the older products were--and the manufacturers really do want that to happen.

Post# 364762 , Reply# 7   1/6/2017 at 12:10 (2,659 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Well yes all old vacuums aren't well made, reliable, silent or even good performing.
Note that Lux is premium brand of Electrolux and when new extremely expensive.
When I buy old vacuums I always try to get quality brand.
In this comparison Lux is lightyears ahead Electrolux in quality.


Post# 364787 , Reply# 8   1/7/2017 at 01:00 (2,659 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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As i have mentioned here on at least a couple of ocassions, sometimes better not to over think "love" and just go with your gut and be glad a common home appliance can put a smile on your face.
The best "reason" then being, for me at least, is no reason at all.
When i indulge my passion for vacuum collecting i simple find it more enjoyable to not care if it all adds up or not, end of story. I have my ideas about what i like, but i always seem to break my own self imposed rules sooner than later.
Is it the best cleaner, best value, best model, blah blah blah? That can be fun to banter about, but IF it limits your enjoyment i say tune out the noise of other peoples opinions and get your vacuum freak on as you damn well please...





Post# 364793 , Reply# 9   1/7/2017 at 02:58 (2,659 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Well said!

Post# 364794 , Reply# 10   1/7/2017 at 03:19 (2,659 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

The difference is that today vacuums are a commodity item. Bought to be used a while then used up. Back in the olden times, vacuums were very expensive items. People expected them to last like a refrigerator, water heater, or furnace. The manufacturers built them as such. These days the vast majority of people seem happy to buy throw-away appliances. To them a vacuum is nothing more than a blender or a toaster.

Post# 364904 , Reply# 11   1/8/2017 at 23:09 (2,657 days old) by nali (Montréal)        

I'm new in this game.
What is the general quality of my Kirby Sanitronic VII ?


Post# 364905 , Reply# 12   1/8/2017 at 23:19 (2,657 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
It's true!

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Years ago,  it WAS a very big deal to own a vacuum. You'd hear people say, "We got a HOOVER".  Or,  "We have an ELECTROLUX, KIRBY", etc. THey were built to last, and were serviced regularly.

 


Post# 364920 , Reply# 13   1/9/2017 at 12:26 (2,656 days old) by ronni (USA)        

I would agree that "love" is better reserved for personal relationships rather than items. "Appreciate" or "enjoy" would be more accurate.

That said, I appreciate the designs, colors, function, and engineering of cleaners--both for vacuuming and shampooing/polishing/scrubbing. I enjoy comparing and contrasting differences between and among models or brands.

It's true that "old" doesn't always mean "better; just as "new" doesn't always mean "worse". Additionally, there has never been, nor will there ever be a perfect vacuum cleaner or shampooer/polisher/scrubber--each has its shortcomings.

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While the term "vintage" is often defined as "outdated" (at Vacuumland 20+ years old) some dealers and collectors use the following terms to help classify ages:

"Antique" -- 100 + years old
"Vintage" -- 50 - 99 years old
"Classic" -- 20 - 49 years old

Indeed, Aerus chose to name its budget model "Lux Classic" in 2004, because the original Canadian design had been introduced in 1982 as the "E-Special".


Post# 364923 , Reply# 14   1/9/2017 at 13:23 (2,656 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Exactly.

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Very well said.

Post# 364928 , Reply# 15   1/9/2017 at 14:29 (2,656 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Gottahaveahoove wrote: Years ago, it WAS a very big deal to own a vacuum. You'd hear people say, "We got a HOOVER". Or, "We have an ELECTROLUX, KIRBY", etc. THey were built to last, and were serviced regularly.

I reply: Absolutely. Not only were they built to last, they were built to be serviced. Most of today's vacuums--and other household appliances, for that matter--simply are not designed to be repaired. Outer cases are sealed to prevent the user from opening them or closing them back up in the event one does manage to pry it open and the circuit boards present in nearly all appliances today serve as de facto self-destruct mechanisms that seem to burn out just after the warranty expires, thus forcing the consumer to replace the item.


Post# 364950 , Reply# 16   1/9/2017 at 22:50 (2,656 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Indeed.

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And, I find that to be disgusting.


Post# 365279 , Reply# 17   1/18/2017 at 12:10 (2,647 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

You're right Mike811. There are some exceptions though. My Oreck XL Classic vacuum does have a louder/higher pitched sound than say my Electrolux Silverado Deluxe, but it does clean carpets very well.

I was in a major retail store the other day and just about every single vacuum they sold looked like a toy. Not to offend anyone on this forum, but I very much dislike the bright/flashy colors vacuums (and other small household appliances) seem to come in these days (bright pinks, yellows, oranges, etc). I guess they are just the flavor of the month. Again these are just my opinions of course and I'm sure there are some older colorful plastic vacuums out there.

I am all for buying a quality item that will last. I needed (well, wanted) a new toaster last year and didn't care for anything I could find in any store close to me. Some were expensive, others were dirt cheap and felt extremely flimsy. So, I went to ebay and got a Sunbeam T-20 model that the owner described as non-working. It was very inexpensive and only required a minor adjustment on my part to work like new again; took about 10 minutes to fix. It will probably outlive us all. It's a well-designed and well-thought-out product to say the least!


Post# 365280 , Reply# 18   1/18/2017 at 12:32 (2,647 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Of course there are the memories of seeing / using as a child perhaps too? And that mellower sound

Post# 365478 , Reply# 19   1/22/2017 at 00:12 (2,644 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I actually think we are the most to blame for the poor, low quality, plastic fantastic vacs of today. There is this mentality that permeates our society...wherein most people that go to buy an appliance like a vac, want a DEAL and want a BARGAIN above all else.....to the point where they are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies. I know people who take items back to the store if they find out someone they know got it cheaper somewhere else.  And these are units that were functioning fine with no complaints.

 

I always thought if something was worth having, then it was also worth saving for to purchase later. But these days it's mostly instant gratification and instantaneously purchased on the charge card. If you talk to manufacturers, they'll tell you the same thing;that they could make a splendid product as in the days of lore, but they couldn't sell enough of them to make a profit. A higher priced unit compared to a lower quality, similarly functioning unit won't sell to the masses.

 

And yet you have Miele, Rainbow and Aerus....I have not owned those yet, but I hear favorable things for their price tags. Compared to all the masses of junk vacs sold in the US, I'd have to think some high-end niche marketing is going on.

 

When I hear about the 'good ol' daze'....I remember racism, bigotry, antisemitism and homophobia. If you were white middle class, went to church regularly and were str8, life could be grand.  To hell(injury or death) with anyone who fell out of those parameters. That's what I remember about the 'good ol' daze'.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 


Post# 365661 , Reply# 20   1/26/2017 at 12:19 (2,639 days old) by electrikbroomgu (Rome, NY)        
Today's appliances

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I can say without reservation that the vast majority of appliances made in the past 20 plus years are not at all designed to last and will keep you coming back on a regular basis to buy a new one. Now there are exceptions of course. if you want a good washer and dryer that will last Speed Queen still makes them like they used to be. Kirby will sell you a quality vacuum along with Aerus, Filter Queen and many others. But these are specialized items that cost considerably more. The average day to day items sold in Walmart, Target and Costco as an example are mostly Chinese produced low quality items that are design with a short life span. Below is a compiled list of examples of items that I have personally dealt with

Sunbeam mixer bought at Walmart for 25.00 for mom in 2012. It lasted exactly 2 years before the grey handle paint started coming off. Then the switch starting cutting in and out and mom got nervous using it. It now sits in the cellar in the unused heap pile. I recently found her a vintage NOS Sunbeam from the 1970's that has 10 times more quality and will probably last her the rest of her life.

Roommate back in 2005 bought a brand new Sunbeam iron with a retractable cord from Wally World. He lived with me for 3 months. That was as long as the iron lasted before the cord retractor quit working. In contrast mom and I still have irons from the 1970's that work and look like new despite hard use.

A good friend bought a late model Dirt Devil Classic bag-less hand vac. Within 6 months the tab broke that holds the clear cover on rendering it useless. Surprise! It also clogged up and lost 80% of it's suction after cleaning a few times because the filter is tiny. Mom still has her own mothers Dirt Devil 103 style hand vac that was bought in 1986 and I still have my dad's mother's 103 that was purchased a year before and was the first of the run of those.

At work the faculty staff purchased a lovely white Toastmaster two slice toaster from Dollar general for around 12 bucks. Within a month the lower side became distorted and was actually starting to melt! Yikes I still have a 1980's Toastmaster with chrome sides that works as new!

At the same work place they have a late model Maytag clothes washer where they clean the custodial uniforms in. Well it lasted about a year before the timer crapped out and now it clunks because the agitator is already worn. I can move it side to side with my hand which it didn't do nearly as much last year. My maytag from 1983 has been bulletproof.

Moms 2012 Frigidaire stove has needed 3 new burners and 4 sets of chrome shields because the Chinese steel corrodes within 6-8 months of use. Her old one never needed new ones in the 35 years she owned it.

I could go on and on and on with so many things that myself or a family member or someone I know purchased lately that failed or broke but you get the point. We live in a very disposable society and if you want anything resembling quality you will have to spend a lot more for it and search long and hard to find it.


Post# 365663 , Reply# 21   1/26/2017 at 15:10 (2,639 days old) by icee (Indiana)        
For the enjoyment of it all

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I do feel, that as a whole but not 100% of the time, products of years past were built with a certain standard of higher quality and ability to be repaired. And I simply love old sweepers, they have so much character, interesting designs, wonderful noises, and just all around are enjoyable.

But

That's not to say some newer ones aren't enjoyable either. Personally, I adore my LG Kompressor Luv200r. As far as bagless goes, which I know is a bit of a no-no word for many, it's very good and I have no complaints about it. I often times call it my "ferrari" of my sweepers for its looks haha. I even enjoy my dirt devil swivel glide (wish it was a vision instead, like my mom used to have, but it works as a substitute). Is it the best sweeper, with the highest air flow and best agitation? Lol absolutely not. But do I enjoy it? Certainly! It's all about what you enjoy.

For me, older sweepers are still my bread and butter, and I'm pretty sure it will stay that way. What's most important though, is what you find enjoyable.


Post# 365709 , Reply# 22   1/27/2017 at 14:05 (2,638 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I certainly.....

wouldn't argue that many appliances back in the day were made with superior material & workmanship. But it depends on the appliance company itself where the cut-off date would be(when they started to go downhill). Many would argue that was the Fair Trade Act and the US can't possibly compete with cheap foreign labor......although many of those foreign factories are US owned companies.  Personally, I think the rot had set in before that.

 

For whatever the debatable reasons, we just lost our manufacturing base here in the US.  I'm not sure it can ever return(President Trump), because you have to pay US factory workers a 'living wage'...not for example, those entry level food service crap salaries. Robotics have replaced hundreds of thousands of auto workers in US plants. It's a whole different landscape now.

 

What still seems to be working here are 'boutique' companies that can manufacture on a smaller scale for a much higher priced consumer product. With 300 million people to pool from as buyers, niche marketing often wins the race.

 

Kevin

 

 


Post# 365731 , Reply# 23   1/27/2017 at 21:14 (2,638 days old) by Luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Well materials years ago were cheaper as well and plentiful.

Post# 365759 , Reply# 24   1/28/2017 at 17:32 (2,637 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
comparing old and new vacuums

Very interesting thread for sure. There are definitely some reasons to like some of the older vacuum models, and there are some companies that made excellent vacuums at one time but have since gone down hill. I should say that I'm not a fan of uprights, I much prefer canisters of all types, whether round, tank type or backpack. I would not even consider getting anything that is currently made by Hoover, Eureka, Bissell or Dirt Devil, and probably a few others that I'm forgetting to mention. Certainly, Hoover and Eureka were top of the line at one time, probably until the 1970's and maybe even in to the 1980's. I've been to the vacuum museum, and love the motor sound of the eureka canned ham, I actually think several other vacuums such as the airway and some older Kenmore's used the same ametek motor, and I can understand why, it sounded great and was quite powerful. The sunbeam dual deluxe was another vintage model, in the late 1950's, it was the most powerful canister you could get. And of course the older Electrolux models were made very well and sounded great. I also love the sound of the KenKart vacuums. Interesting that the Kenmore vacuums in the 1970's had all these issues, I thought they were still really well made, they were certainly popular. You can still get good quality vacuums from companies such as Miele, Sebo, Tacony and Aerus. The high end Electrolux ultra one series is also very good. If you wanted something a bit cheaper, the Panasonic canisters were also good, but Panasonic is pulling out of that business. The canisters made by Perfect products are also decent. And let's not forget the Numatic Henry, that's also a great canister vacuum in a tub form factor. As has been stated, part of the issue is that most consumers do not want to pay more for good quality. They want it cheap, even if it means that the product won't last. When I talk about vacuums with people and tell them how much a good quality vacuum costs that will last for many years, most of them say something like I would never pay that much for a vacuum, it's not worth it. Personally I would rather pay a bit more for a product that is made well and is built to last. Of course, these days, even paying more for an expensive model is no guarantee that it will last.
There are some things I definitely like about older canisters. First, most of them used two stage motors. This is more efficient and has a much better sound. These days, almost all vacuums use a one stage motor that sounds like a high pitch jet engine. While some motors such as the ones in the Miele vacuums are supposed to work just as well as a two stage motor because of the fan design, it's still spinning much faster so will probably wear out quicker. As has been said previously, many older vacuums were simply made better, very few manufacturers are still making vacuums that way. Also some good power nozzles still exist, Tacony makes good power nozzles, so does Sebo, Wessel-werk and Lindhaus. I know back in 1972, Eureka introduced a power nozzle, can't remember what it was called, but apparently it was very good. Centec also makes power nozzles, but I don't think they are as good as what I previously mentioned.


Post# 365863 , Reply# 25   1/30/2017 at 04:07 (2,636 days old) by DaveTranter (Central England, U.K.)        
Quality or cheap/throwaway??

I agree with others (replies # 19,24, etc.) that there has been a general degradation in the quality of manufacturing in the last few decades. There is now an expectation that NOTHING new will last, no matter who made it, or how much you are willing to pay. I certainly subscribe to this attitude, and will only buy 'used, quality items', be it appliances, tools, or vehicles. If any manufacturers ARE still managing to produce good, solid, lasting products, then I don't envy them the task of trying to convince the 'buying public' of the fact.

I appreciate that things may be different 'Statesside, but I doubt it.

The situation is that we have lived too long in a 'throwaway society', such that the younger generation(s??) expect nothing else. I am not sure that there is any way back to the days when we could trust in the quality of manufactured goods.

Sad but true!!

All best (and feel free to discuss ;-) )

Dave T



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