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Electrolux metal body motor weight comparison
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Post# 363250   12/7/2016 at 10:35 by blknblu (CT)        

Some pics of the weight difference between an Olympia One motor (similar to Super J) & a later Diamond Jubilee motor.
3rd pic shows them with a plastic body motor.

As you can see, the bag housing has an extension on it, due to the DJ motor being shorter. This actually makes it easier to retrofit a newer Lamb motor than the Olympia One.


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Post# 363257 , Reply# 1   12/7/2016 at 10:44 by blknblu (CT)        

For reference, here is the weight of the plastic body Ambassador III motor, with the plastic motor cover on.

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Post# 363260 , Reply# 2   12/7/2016 at 11:00 by blknblu (CT)        

and here is the partial motor from my rebuilt Super J.
Motor is very similar to the Diamond Jubilee motor, but the plastic bag housing is just like the super J with no extension.
The armature went on this one.
This was a transition between the Super J and Diamond Jubilee motor.
don't know what metal body this would have come in.



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Post# 363388 , Reply# 3   12/10/2016 at 13:34 by Paul (MN)        

I read that the last of the Silverados had a different motor, so maybe that's it.

So did the Super Js, Olympia Ones, earlier Silverados, and brown & gray Deluxe Specials all have the same motor?


Post# 363395 , Reply# 4   12/10/2016 at 17:10 by blknblu (CT)        

I actually own a Silverado, I have not opened it up yet.
More thank likeley, the models you mentioned had the same or similar motor.
Those earlier motors had a different way of being mounted, being suspended by bushings. The mounting holes were on the side of the motor.


Post# 363597 , Reply# 5   12/14/2016 at 12:31 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

 

The Super J motor was uniquely its own. It was bigger than anything Electrolux had used previously. They spent over a million dollars back in the day to refurbish their plant just to make the motor and extend the metal canister body a bit to accommodate it. After the Super J, Electrolux started to outsource their motors. To my knowledge, only the Super J's had that bigger/longer motor.....it didn't carry over into newer models.

 



 

You can't mix & match armatures, brushes and stators with the Super J motor.

 



 

Kevin

 



 

 


Post# 363605 , Reply# 6   12/14/2016 at 14:34 by blknblu (CT)        

I knew that. did not see the Super J in his list.
I actually had/have most of the models from the 1205 to the Dimanond Jubilee & UltraLux classic including the Super J, Olympia One % Silverado.


Post# 363617 , Reply# 7   12/14/2016 at 17:02 by Paul (MN)        

Still looking for an answer to my question in reply #3. Tig21er? Dysonman1, Rugsucker? Anyone?

Post# 363618 , Reply# 8   12/14/2016 at 17:09 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I was answereing.....

this:So did the Super Js, Olympia Ones, earlier Silverados, and brown & gray Deluxe Specials all have the same motor?

 

The Diamond J reputedly has the first completely outsourced motor. This motor was dropped after the Diamond J and another outsourced motor used, so I've been told....however, the particulars of the motors after the Diamond J, I don't know.

 

Kevin


Post# 363621 , Reply# 9   12/14/2016 at 17:33 by Paul (MN)        

"After the Super J, Electrolux started to outsource their motors."

Thanks, Kevin. Your statement above confused me, because I knew the outsourcing didn't begin until after the Silverados--or possibly at the end of their production.


Post# 363626 , Reply# 10   12/14/2016 at 19:27 by blknblu (CT)        

Per Electro Motor's website:

"Our History:

Electro Motor purchased the motor business from Aerus, LLC (formerly known as Electrolux, LLC), and took operations on July 1, 2002. This former Electrolux motor business has built high quality floor care motors for over 60 years. This tradition of motor design and excellence with an emphasis on durability, quality, and exceptional customer support continues with the new Electro Motor ownership."
electromtr.com/about.htm...
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It is very obvious when you look at the motors which are Electro Motor's.
They have a plastic cap on the end of them, and the brush holders just pop out.
The carbon brushes on the Diamond Jubilee's are the same as the Electro Motor's sold today. It is cheaper to obtain brushes for an Electro Motor than ones that specifically state for electrolux Diamond Jubilee. They are the same brushes, just no markup.


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Post# 363629 , Reply# 11   12/14/2016 at 21:36 by Paul (MN)        

@ blknblu ... Very interesting. So did Aerus make the VM3 motor first used around '04 in the Lux Guardian and Lux 6000 upright or did Electro?

Fyi ... Tig21er mentioned in another thread that Aerus has gone back to manufacturing its cleaners at its Bristol factory after outsourcing to The Eureka Company in 2003. I took for granted that that included the motors but maybe not.

@Real1shep ...

Just to clarify, here's a timeline of the models we're talking about:

1975-79--Super J, model L (manual)
1979-82--Oly 1, model 1453 (manual)
1982-84--Silverado Deluxe, model 1453 (manual)
1984-87--DJ, model 1453 (manual)


Post# 363630 , Reply# 12   12/14/2016 at 21:52 by Paul (MN)        

Just found on evacuumstore.com:

"18. October 2011 06:43
The VM3 motor was used in the following Aerus models: Classic, Legacy, and [l]ater model Guardian vacuum [c]leaners. The VM3 [m]otor has been replaced with the JEI motor which requires a slightly different installation process."



Post# 363631 , Reply# 13   12/14/2016 at 22:23 by Paul (MN)        
JOHNSON U-8225 Motor

from evacuumstore.com ...

"When it comes to Electrolux upright replacement motors and Electrolux upright switches, most have remained fairly consistent from 1985 through the present, with the exception of the model U129Q [Lux Commercial]. After looking around the internet for any useful information on model U129Q, we realized a post on this topic was needed to clear some things up.

The Electrolux model U129Q came with a Johnson built motor, some of the markings on the motor are as follows: JOHNSON u-8225 120v 60hz 7.4A 705Q50006600 10Q0051 CLA and on the fan housing: 1000051 3M3202.

In the left hand image below you see the upper motor (suction motor) from an Electrolux model U129Q on the left and a replacement motor for the normal 1985 to present upright Electrolux models to its right. Also in the right hand image is the U129Q switch. The difference is clear and unfortunately if your U129Q motor has failed, there is no available replacement motor or switch."

From an eBay listing: Fits Aerus Guardian That Used The Johnson U8228 Motor
5 Inc Diameter With A Taper Intake Hole
Single Fan Motor
Fits Aerus 9000 Canister


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Post# 363635 , Reply# 14   12/14/2016 at 23:40 by blknblu (CT)        

I opened up my Silverado to take a look at the motor.
other motor is an Ametek Lamb I will be putting in something.


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Post# 363637 , Reply# 15   12/14/2016 at 23:54 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

The folks that sold these back in the day and worked at Electrolux have said that the Diamond J series contained the first fully-outsourced motors. That would make the Oly 1, model 1453 and the Silverado Deluxe, model 1453 some sort of in-house or quasi-in-house motors, correct?

 

 Thanks, Kevin. Your statement above confused me, because I knew the outsourcing didn't begin until after the Silverados--or possibly at the end of their production.

 

Not having owned those two models yet, I got my timeline a little screwy, sorry!

 

Kevin


Post# 363710 , Reply# 16   12/16/2016 at 18:13 by tig21er (Indiana)        
Outsource motor

Super J to Silverado used the same made in house motor. The only outsource during the Super J run was due to a fire at factory in the armature part of factory. The first recall of the Super J was on the K------S series( serial numbers). The armature was replaced as well as the carbon brushes. The outsource company was not up to Electrolux standard.
As far as the Diamond Jubilee the motor was not outsourced but made at the Piney Flats factory of Electrolux in Virginia. The motors had a problem in the western states where high heat was. Modifications were made to the commutator and other places in the motor and referred as HP motor . If a person had a problem in that first motor they were replaced free.
The motors on the early Specials were not the same as Super j to DJ .The armature and Carbon Brushes were same as 1205. Making the motor shorter and less powerful. The motor on DJ color Special is DJ style motor but not the power.


Post# 363716 , Reply# 17   12/16/2016 at 20:03 by Paul (MN)        

Thanks for setting the record straight, John.

So, did the last Silverados have the same motor as the DJs, or did all the Silverados have the same motor?

I'm also wondering if you have a list of pre-1984 serial #s that would show the months/years of production. I called Aerus's main office, but their records apparently don't go that far back. Someone mentioned that there were lists of serial #s according to production that were published back in the day for rotating the stock, so that older stock was sold first. You mentioned in another thread that your dad was a Electrolux salesman in the 1950s, so I thought maybe you'd still have his paperwork.

By the way, do you have any idea where I could get some OEM used PN-1s, cords, tools, & hoses for 2 model CBs I have?


Post# 363720 , Reply# 18   12/16/2016 at 21:11 by tig21er (Indiana)        
silverado motor

never changed. DJ -60th anniversary machine had new motor. My Dad sold 1949- 1983.I am on 61st year of vacuum cleaner repair,thanks to Dad.
Somewhere I have a pamphlet I was given about HP Motor.
Branches kept track of their stock and did put out oldest 1st. We were responsible to keep machines and boxes in new condition. Old timers had no problem but newbies didn't really care because they didn't plan to work long.


Post# 363723 , Reply# 19   12/16/2016 at 21:40 by Paul (MN)        

Thanks again, John.

I'm impressed with both your dad's years of service to Electrolux and yours--congratulations! Do you hold the record?



Post# 363728 , Reply# 20   12/16/2016 at 23:07 by tig21er (Indiana)        
Record?

I wouldn't know on that because many machines I sold in the beginning were put in under my Father. I sold my first new one Door to door when I was 11. I was going to need money for Boy Scouts a few weeks later and my Mom said Go tell your Father and he 'll get it for you. We were in the garage and Dad told me in no certain order -You've been to the sales meetings ,you know how to demo, you know the approaches. You have a new wagon there, put a cleaner in it and go out to sell you one. I did.
Dad worked in the factory at nights and didn't know I went out and sold one.
I heard every excuse in the book , had doors slammed in my face, laughed at, never cussed out though. It was a great learning experience.
By the way my Dad said to my mother he was just joking after my Mom told him a cleaner was sold and I did it Door to Door. Full Commission and no taxes.


Post# 363729 , Reply# 21   12/16/2016 at 23:18 by Paul (MN)        

Great story, John. It's pretty amazing that at 11 years old you were so courageous and persistent.

I would think Aerus would be keeping track of its salespeople and given you awards at your anniversaries with the company.

I'd like to hear your salespitch--I bet you really have it down!


Post# 363730 , Reply# 22   12/17/2016 at 00:14 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Super J to Silverado used the same made in house motor. The only outsource during the Super J run was due to a fire at factory in the armature part of factory. The first recall of the Super J was on the K------S series( serial numbers). The armature was replaced as well as the carbon brushes. The outsource company was not up to Electrolux standard.
As far as the Diamond Jubilee the motor was not outsourced but made at the Piney Flats factory of Electrolux in Virginia. The motors had a problem in the western states where high heat was. Modifications were made to the commutator and other places in the motor and referred as HP motor . If a person had a problem in that first motor they were replaced free.
The motors on the early Specials were not the same as Super j to DJ .The armature and Carbon Brushes were same as 1205. Making the motor shorter and less powerful. The motor on DJ color Special is DJ style motor but not the power.

 

OK so are you saying that the Olympia 1 and Silverado had the exact same big motor as the Super J? If anyone has the story correct, you do. I knew about the run of bad Super J's because of the fire and outsourced armatures...I also knew that Electrolux stood faithfully behind all their motor failures, including the Diamond J. I was told erroneously then, that the DJ motor was a complete outsourced unit.

 

I live out west and have never had any DJ motor failure in the dozen or so units I 've restored for people. But then some of them could have been factory replaced motors and not the original....dunno. I'm not saying the DJ is a 'great' motor design, but I've had no trouble with them including the new unit and accessories I had back around 83/84.

 

Would an HP motor have a sticker or some way to designate it from the early DJ motor?

 

Kevin


Post# 363742 , Reply# 23   12/17/2016 at 10:25 by blknblu (CT)        

Super J motor is not the same as a Silverado.
The Super J is heavier and longer and is suspended by 4 bushings like the earlier motors.


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Post# 363744 , Reply# 24   12/17/2016 at 13:17 by tig21er (Indiana)        
Silverado motor

Silverado motors were the same as O-1. The motor you show is a replacement motor that came out when the motors changed to DJ style motor. How do I know? I was a service manager when motors were replaced in the older models.My Silverado which was the last style made with the P/N5 has the same motor as Super J.

Post# 363815 , Reply# 25   12/18/2016 at 16:40 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I wondered

why Electrolux didn't keep going with the Super J motor after the demise of the Super J. Considering how much money they had invested into it, it makes sense it kept going into a few other models. I had just been given erroneous information on this in the past. Thanks!

 

Kevin


Post# 363842 , Reply# 26   12/18/2016 at 21:31 by tig21er (Indiana)        
Super J

went into the O-1 , then the Silverado. The big change were to the power nozzles and cosmetics.

Post# 363911 , Reply# 27   12/20/2016 at 13:14 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

The motors had a problem in the western states where high heat was. Modifications were made to the commutator and other places in the motor and referred as HP motor. If a person had a problem in that first motor they were replaced free.

 

Is there any way to distinguish an HP motor from the original DJ motor?

 

Kevin


Post# 363912 , Reply# 28   12/20/2016 at 13:18 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

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Post# 367885 , Reply# 29   3/5/2017 at 16:19 by ronni (USA)        
1401, 1401-B, 1505 Motor Ratings

The amp ratings listed on the bag doors are (introductions in parentheses):

1401 Super J (Late-1975) & Olympia One (Early-1979): 9.7 amps--with power nozzle

1401-B Olympia One (Late-1979): 9.7 amps--with power nozzle

1505 Olympia One (Early-1982) & Silverado (Late-1982): 10 amps--with power nozzle


So was the 1401/1401-B motor tweaked for the 1505 (like the aqua to tan Model G motors), or were there two different motors?

If the 1505 rating just reflected the pn change (1.2 to 1.4, originally), then it would have been rated 9.9 amps (note: the Discovery series uprights were rated 8.1 amps--not a rounded #).

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PN-2 (Early-1973): 1.2 amps

PN-4 (Early-1976), PN-4A (Early-1982): 1.4 amps

PN5 (Early- or Late-1983): 1.8 amps


Note: I don't think the amp ratings on the bag doors were changed when the power nozzles were changed.





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