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Post# 362996   12/2/2016 at 12:22 (2,699 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Hi everyone. I've been out of the collecting game for awhile, primarily due to lack of room and funds, so forgive me if this topic has been covered already.

Out of curiosity, I checked to see what see what a new Hoover Guardsman would cost. To my surprise, I could not find the bagged version on Hoover's website, and many sites are showing it as out of stock. There are a few on eBay that are selling for nearly $200, which I know is inflated. It looks like Home Depot has some though.

Perhaps I am making too much of this, but, is there any chance the Guardsman is being phased out? I might have to order one if the last of the Convertibles is coming to an end.


Post# 362999 , Reply# 1   12/2/2016 at 12:56 (2,699 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Guardsman (convertible style) will Never

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Be phased out . I know for a fact through an unmentionable great friend that style will be returning very soon and made in the United States once again all because that wonderful company TTi has purchased the great Oreck company .

MANY Hoovers will now be made in the USA once again 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Dan


Post# 363001 , Reply# 2   12/2/2016 at 14:18 (2,699 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Yes, Dan! He told me the exact same think last to e I spoke with him. I'm hoping to get one once they return
Andy


Post# 363003 , Reply# 3   12/2/2016 at 14:50 (2,699 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
That is Great News!

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Very happy to hear that. Does anyone know where they will be built? Regardless, an American made Hoover Convertible sounds great. I'll be ready to place an order when they arrive on the market.

Post# 363004 , Reply# 4   12/2/2016 at 14:55 (2,699 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
At the

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Oreck factory is where many Hoovers will be built .

My friend has them now in stock .

Dan


Post# 363007 , Reply# 5   12/2/2016 at 15:49 (2,699 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Hoover Tempo is already made at the Oreck plant in the USA.

Post# 363010 , Reply# 6   12/2/2016 at 17:43 (2,699 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio)        

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ☺

Post# 363050 , Reply# 7   12/3/2016 at 14:58 (2,698 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

I find it funny so many people wanted to bash TTI. Yet here they are doing some great things for Hoover Royal and Oreck. They will be even making some parts here. I had to order a new dirt cup for a bagless Hoover Task Vac and the packaging said made in the US. Pretty much all Royals except for the canisters are mad at the Oreck plant now to.

Post# 363053 , Reply# 8   12/3/2016 at 17:20 (2,698 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Exactly Derek

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They all bash TTi just like other things while failing to understand the TTi owners are a European family that cares about the companies they purchase . They have always wanted to build vacuums in the US again and Oreck was an opportunity they went after and now many Hoovers Royals along with Oreck will be once again made in the United States .

One day soon they will become the premier American vacuum cleaner manufacturer they are not done purchasing vacuum cleaner company's this is the beginning of vacuum cleaner greatness right here in the USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

I own a new Oreck Elevate Conquer that a great friend sent me and it's an amazing Oreck cleans really well . Built to awesome standards and looks very futuristic Oreck finally looks brand new as a vacuum that belongs in 2016 and beyond .

Dan


Post# 363090 , Reply# 9   12/4/2016 at 14:22 (2,697 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
"euoropean" owner's"

means mostly European money. Just like American owners means mostly American money, regardless of country of manufacture.
I.E. AB Electrolux. The Wallenberg family holds the majority of shares to this day.
While Ford does make cars abroad, the Ford family holds 51 percent of the shares.
That money stays here and helps our economy.


Post# 363097 , Reply# 10   12/4/2016 at 15:38 (2,697 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
One question

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Is the Self Propelled model still going to be in production? I heard a rumor a while ago saying that it will be discontinued soon but I can't really comfirm is that's true or not. If it isn't, would that model also be brought back in the USA?

Post# 363102 , Reply# 11   12/4/2016 at 18:04 (2,697 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Well MIKE

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Those European owners RESIDE in the United States of America .
Plus they are employing AMERICAN workers so what is the problem ?

Yes self propelled bagged is still being made and made at the Oreck factory in the good ole USA
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Dan


Post# 363107 , Reply# 12   12/4/2016 at 21:03 (2,697 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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That's great to hear, I think those are nice machines. Also are they still using the same motor as usual or have they went back to the older motors that were on the first windtunnels? I really don't like the sound of the newer motors :P

Post# 363129 , Reply# 13   12/5/2016 at 06:11 (2,696 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
I didn't say there was a problem.

TTI is a global company, so is Ford, GM, FCA, etc. I bet TTI imports most of it's parts from China. That will not change, nor should it.
Good management is good management and bad is bad. Daimler nearly ruined Chrysler, and Cerberus didn't help it either. Now Fiat has it, and it is profitable again.
Buy what you like, that's free enterprise.
All I can say is my immediate family all lost good jobs from 2001 through 2008, a few twice, and none of us were in manufacturing, and most are master degreed.
Ford suffered more early even before the recession was full on, so they made cuts sooner and did it their own way. By the time it hit GM and the banks, the only choice were bail outs. Every conservative opposed every economic stimulus, but then accepted them for their states. Many of those bad managers are and were also conservatives.


Post# 363138 , Reply# 14   12/5/2016 at 08:27 (2,696 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Mike

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Nothing has been worse than the past 8 years slowest growth in history now things are and will finally be better . Millions left the job market in fact last jobs numbers only created 9,000 full time jobs and
178 ,000 part time mostly seasonal jobs . Ford is the best American car company PERIOD .

Many new and exciting things will come out of the Hoover Oreck Royal factory right here in the United States of America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Hoover did go back to previous wind tunnel motor that one was garbage .

Dan


Post# 363150 , Reply# 15   12/5/2016 at 12:17 (2,696 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I'm glad the Tempo is made here

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It's a great value. My Aunt's Tempo has been used heavily for five years and it's still going. The only part that has been replaced is the hose (besides the belt, which is just normal wear). I see plenty of 15+ year old Windtunnels still going too.

Post# 363165 , Reply# 16   12/5/2016 at 17:54 (2,696 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Dan, sorry, but

I must disagree. Way too much outsourcing was done prior to 2008. I live in one of the hardest hit areas of the rust belt.
In a way like what super storm Sandy did to the New Jersey shore, and parts of Queens and Long Island.
Now I would think all the new jobs added since 2009, and an average unemployment rate of under 7% is far from no growth, but you have your opinion, and it's different. The current rate is even lower than 7%, but I'm allowing for those out of the job market altogether.
If there was no growth, the FED would not be raising the prime rate at all. It isn't good for the economy to grow at too fast a pace either. 401k's were depleted, and many near seniors had to withdraw early so they could afford to live. They were not rehired. The markets came back this decade, and gains were restored at least.
Most conditions and adjustments can have a double edged sword. Low borrowing rates do not come with high interest earning yields.
Bottom line, when people don't earn, they don't save or spend much. Some over spend also.
The supply and demand have to be in balance.
I know we will not agree on much. I'm one of those loser Libby's after all, but I've never taken a hand out, nor needed one thankfully.


Post# 363221 , Reply# 17   12/6/2016 at 20:20 (2,695 days old) by jimjimmunster (Hammond, Ind.)        
Hopefully our New President Will Bring Vacs Back

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Hopefully the new president will convince the larger companies like TTI to make their products here, and here only. Its not easy to get a special belt for something from China. it takes like a month for shipping. I want vacs back in good old America. A good amount of small vac companies were in Chicago, A lot of places in Ohio, and many other places. There mostly gone. Lets hope there brought back. it'd be cool if vacs were made here again.

Post# 363234 , Reply# 18   12/7/2016 at 06:36 (2,694 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
I see belts, etc.

all over for inexpensive Hoovers, Dirt Devils, and Oreck's. Sharks also.
Most people don't repair a $100 t $200 vacuum. They toss it in the trash after a couple of years and buy another.


Post# 363237 , Reply# 19   12/7/2016 at 07:29 (2,694 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Yay for the Hoover Tempo! My mom's original version with the headlight was bought over 5 years ago and it's still going strong!

Maybe Electrolux will bring Sanitaire production back to the USA too?

I guess it's too late for Panasonic, huh?


Post# 363240 , Reply# 20   12/7/2016 at 09:04 (2,694 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
No,

Panasonic has new models coming out. The Kentucky plant will remain for now.
The Hoover Tempo I recall was a small canister similar to the Eureka Mighty Mite.


Post# 363248 , Reply# 21   12/7/2016 at 10:22 (2,694 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

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I have this one

According to the serial number
It's from 1998


Post# 363249 , Reply# 22   12/7/2016 at 10:25 (2,694 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        

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I have this one

According to the serial number
It's from 1998


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Post# 363354 , Reply# 23   12/9/2016 at 15:55 (2,692 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)        

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Just came across this post, could anyone that knows what tti is bringing back to the States give us any more insight into what will be coming back? Bagged,bagless,new designs? Don't want anyone to over share anything that's under wraps but you know always fun to know what's up and coming.

Post# 363370 , Reply# 24   12/10/2016 at 07:08 (2,691 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Don't believe

all you read here. Also don't hold your breath. Things don't have to say where they are assembled anymore.
Remember this, it's always about the lowest cost to bring things to market. Always!


Post# 363371 , Reply# 25   12/10/2016 at 08:18 (2,691 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Mile

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Your clueless why the heck do
You think TTi bought Oreck ?
To manufacture vacuums , Hoover , Royal and Oreck in the US again .
Seems like you just want to start something about this , drama much ?
It's true and it's happening vacuum landers don't listen to a nay sayer .

Dan 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


Post# 363373 , Reply# 26   12/10/2016 at 08:34 (2,691 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
I listen,

like when you said "Europeans who live in America". We all want it all our way now don't we? Well all one way, or only your way isn't the only way either.

Post# 363444 , Reply# 27   12/12/2016 at 06:53 (2,689 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
TTI floorcare

the owners of Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Oreck is a Hong Kong company.
otherwise, those "European Americans" were the ones who outsourced to begin with after the aquisition of Hoover.
half nice day. if half the day is nice, it's a good day these days.


Post# 363446 , Reply# 28   12/12/2016 at 09:12 (2,689 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
True.

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If one goes onto the TTI website, it will tell you that "TTI, an Hong Kong Conglomerate....."

They own all of the original patents, designs, etc.

I'm not about to 'get into' anything in here. We all know, or should, by now, what its what, whom is whom, and where is where. Not getting into the N Canton Ohios mess, I stood in ALL of the HOOVER buildings...both the original ones AND TTI HEADQUARTERS. I've seen everything except a few rooms in Glenwillow.The only place I've not visited is China.
All we're unsure of is what is happening next.




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Post# 363452 , Reply# 29   12/12/2016 at 09:31 (2,689 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Does it mean anything

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To some of you that AMERICANS have jobs and that this wonderful brand is once again building vacuums in the United States again ???

So sad that some of you only care about is where the company owners are located instead of being glad Americans have jobs . I believe that is what's important and I applaud Hoover for that and many other companies that will also be staying in the United States or will be bringing companies back here to hire more American workers .

Dan 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


Post# 363477 , Reply# 30   12/12/2016 at 14:59 (2,689 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Of course we care

that Americans have jobs. That wasn't the case from 2001 through 2009, especially not around here.
So, now that our young have learned to get an education, and avoid monotonous factory work, we are better off. It's not for everyone, and a sure as the local technological university's robotic's program graduates enter the new high tech fileds, you can bet your sweet ever luvin ususus will see robots automate entire factories world wide. Humans will do jobs more beneficial to humans like healthcare, education, mathematics, software engineering, etc., etc.
In europe, many pharmacies are already completely automated.


Post# 363484 , Reply# 31   12/12/2016 at 17:33 (2,689 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio)        
Dan

Can't tell you how excited I am to hear about this. Hoover has been an icon brand for so many years, and its about time they bring production back to the States. I always wondered if they ever would.. This is by far the best news I've heard of in a long time!!. I can't wait to see what good things will come... Thanks for sharing, always appreciate your expertise and input on here for sure.

Post# 363485 , Reply# 32   12/12/2016 at 19:11 (2,689 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Times change,

are still, and will change more. Adapt, or stay behind. That's what we were told in the 80's and 90's.
Icon's come and go. The I've always had or done this job mentality is passe'.
New skills are where it will be cutting edge.
We'd have never got to the moon otherwise, but there are still a few who say that was a hoax also.


Post# 363486 , Reply# 33   12/12/2016 at 19:39 (2,689 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Steve

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You are so welcome .

I have loved this brand as a child ,my family have owned many Hoovers throughout the years and it's how I got started in learning how to repair a vacuum . The first one was when my neighbor threw her convertible out I snatched it up and found all it needed was a switch . I then sold it back to her for $25.00 at the age of 5 years old . That's when my love of vacuums and money began .

I trashed picked so many and sold them to buy NIB vacuums I desired hence my collection which contain 99% brand new Hoover Convertibles , Dial a matics , Concepts, Elites, etc.

I am glad to bring this great news and I am thrilled to be able to own American made Hoovers once again .

Dan 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


Post# 363498 , Reply# 34   12/13/2016 at 05:38 (2,688 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am sure many folks would rather build vacuums than sit at a desk in a boring office job!At least you are REALLY accomplishing something building the vacuums!And you may get to try the vacuum you just made or even buy it!I think it is high time to bring industrial and trade jobs BACK to America-after all that is what we specialized in before!Other countries WANTED our products-because they knew those were the BEST!Remember a newsletter I got from Milwaukee tools a few years back-some tradesmen were doing work in an office area.The works commented how the office guys left their desks to watch and asked about the trade jobs-the office folks felt the trade job would be better!-More interesting and involving-and a greater sense of accomplishment.Remember there are people that want to work with their hands and tools and build stuff than sit all day staring into a computer screen at a desk.

Post# 363625 , Reply# 35   12/14/2016 at 18:58 (2,687 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio)        
Dan,

It's great that you learned valuble enrepeneurship skills at such an early age.
I also learned early on how to change bags, belts, switches, brushrolls, cords, etc..
I've had quite a few, and only have 2 Hoovers left in my collection today... However, hopefully soon I'll proudly be buying a Hoover for the first time in 12 years...an AMERICAN made Hoover :-) :-)


Post# 363649 , Reply# 36   12/15/2016 at 12:12 (2,686 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Once I was looking at

archived threads, and one was by Dan about another post Hoover TTI item and he was praising it's designer. It has since been deleted by our webmaster.
Now common sense tells me someone has had long ties with TTI, so why weren't they made back here in the states sooner?
Now, am I the only nay sayer? I am more of a progressive. Robots will be assembling more and more consumer commodities in the future.
Now, if you want a very lucrative occupation, design those robots, and maybe build them. Assembling vacuums won't pay for a 1500 sq. ft. 3 bedroom suburban abode, but most of the working class already knows that.


Post# 363654 , Reply# 37   12/15/2016 at 13:59 (2,686 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Steve

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Thank you for the kind words .
As a collector I am glad I self taught myself to repair vacuum cleaners , my passion which I love .
I couldn't picture myself as a collector and not knowing how to repair and upkeep my amazing collection.

I am very excited to once again be able to own a Hoover and Royal vacuum made right here in the United States of America built by hard working Americans .

Dan 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


Post# 363685 , Reply# 38   12/16/2016 at 00:53 (2,685 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Robots will NEVER be able to do all of the manufacturing work. TTI did not bring manufacturing back sooner because there was no feasible manufacturing facility available. They are a business after all and it takes a lot of capital to build or even aquire warehouse space. Oreck provided that to TTI. The original Hoover space in North Canton was run into the ground by maytag and I know a lot of people wish they would have never left there but it takes capital to up keep a building and keep it up to code.

Post# 363686 , Reply# 39   12/16/2016 at 04:58 (2,685 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Even if the sites have "robots" and other automation-HUMANS are still needed to maintain the equipment!And those humans will be needed to reprogram the machines for other production runs.I watched a video of an Oregon Outdoor Products of an automated lawn mower blade production plant--humans were still there to assure the machines were doing their jobs-and to prepare the roll bar stock for the blade making machines.

Post# 363694 , Reply# 40   12/16/2016 at 06:48 (2,685 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Exactly,

and those humans have to be educated to do those jobs. They are not walk in off the street and bolt together jobs.
The people doing the monitoring can even be off site watching and adjusting computers remotely. There will even be some jobs maintaining the video equipment, but those will not be skilled trades jobs, but lower pay entry level jobs.
It's already been done. GM has had an automated line making splined drive axles for twenty years. No one works in that section of the plant.


Post# 363702 , Reply# 41   12/16/2016 at 13:56 (2,685 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio)        
You're very welcome Dan,

It'll be worth the wait!!! ☺☺☺

Post# 363704 , Reply# 42   12/16/2016 at 15:19 (2,685 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Jes

comrade's


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