Thread Number: 33037
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Quantum Wet/Dry Vac (Rainbow copy) |
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Post# 361025   10/16/2016 at 20:17 (2,747 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)   |   | |
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How good are the Quantum vacuums vs Rainbow or Sirena? CLICK HERE TO GO TO floor-a-matic's LINK This post was last edited 10/16/2016 at 20:57 |
Post# 361044 , Reply# 1   10/17/2016 at 07:15 (2,746 days old) by NickTechTalk (Winter Park, FL)   |   | |
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If you go to their website and scroll down to the "features" category, you will see that they have a Eureka marked as a Bissell, and a Bissell marked as a Shark. Other than that I know nothing about the vacuum but just how poorly they are trying to advertise it. |
Post# 361068 , Reply# 2   10/17/2016 at 17:22 (2,746 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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I find it interesting that there is no filter whatsoever on the unit according to their site.
I wonder what it does with materials that may not absorb into the water well such as plaster dust, baby powders and a few other materials?
Also they really do need to fix the photos at the bottom of the page. Their website designer or someone else screwed up. There isn't even a Shark photographed but they mention a Shark LiftAway below the features table. |
Post# 367825 , Reply# 3   3/4/2017 at 05:39 (2,609 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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so I keyword searched and found someone already posted about it. It looks like the water pan is shaped like the older style rainbows.
There is even ANOTHER one too called the Robot Airflow NS I can't believe all the water filtration vacuums on the market now. And when you watch the advert, they act like they all invented them, other than the fact they will subtly mention other vacuums like this sell for $3,000. They are a little different in that the water pan's contain silver ions that prevent germs (so they say) and the hose is 9 feet and I think the basin has LED shining into the basin like Rainbow (at least from what I've read) I have to admit - it looks cool |
Post# 367845 , Reply# 4   3/4/2017 at 19:47 (2,608 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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As I remembered you can't download the 'whole' owners manual. There is mention of the seperator, how to clean, etc. It would be interesting to see if there is any mention of a 'air cleaner or exhaust purifier' (technically not a filter). |
Post# 367860 , Reply# 5   3/5/2017 at 06:47 (2,607 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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at the ONLINE manual. It's pretty straight forward, but when you get to the page about separator cleaning, it says this:
THE (turbine) SEPARATOR. For accurate Separator performance it is recommended to perform a simple inspection and cleaning (if necessary) after 5-7 uses. It’s a quick and easy procedure. Refer to the OWNER’S MANUAL found on-line at: QuantumVac.com But that is the ONLINE manual! It's telling you to refer to something you're already referring to. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark40511's LINK |
Post# 367868 , Reply# 7   3/5/2017 at 11:26 (2,607 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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there are two infomericals on YouTube - I almost passed out when, on one of them, the actually SHOWED the Rainbow and did mention it @ 9:43.
What amazes me about this price of 498 - they have a quick disconnect (unlike Sirena) and a lighted basin. And I did notice on the manual they say to not vacuum anything non-wettable. I almost like the looks of it a little better than my Sirena. Of course, Rainbow is the best. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark40511's LINK |
Post# 367887 , Reply# 8   3/5/2017 at 16:33 (2,607 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 367888 , Reply# 9   3/5/2017 at 16:41 (2,607 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 367897 , Reply# 10   3/5/2017 at 19:29 (2,607 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Because here is ANOTHER ONE! And it's even the same people that are in the Quantum commercial. LOL
Oh, and that stick vac water filtration vacuum - NO THANKS! CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark40511's LINK |
Post# 367905 , Reply# 11   3/5/2017 at 22:54 (2,607 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 367908 , Reply# 12   3/5/2017 at 23:54 (2,607 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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This vid actually shows the seperator and how it comes off to be cleaned. Still no mention of any filters. CLICK HERE TO GO TO cuffs054's LINK |
Post# 367909 , Reply# 13   3/6/2017 at 00:01 (2,607 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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And this one says that after 180 hours of use a "service" light will come on and you should take it to the dealer for "maintaince". CLICK HERE TO GO TO cuffs054's LINK |
Post# 367910 , Reply# 14   3/6/2017 at 00:09 (2,607 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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And this one shows the demonstrators getting a little too friendly with the hose. CLICK HERE TO GO TO cuffs054's LINK |
Post# 367911 , Reply# 15   3/6/2017 at 00:36 (2,607 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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Even better! Here's the one I have. It looks like the same box and all, but I only paid $39.00 for mine. I guess they must appreciate in value... |
Post# 367923 , Reply# 16   3/6/2017 at 09:27 (2,606 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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take it to dealer for maintenance - That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. They do NOT have filters. Other than the computer on board, the PN, and the wands/quick disconnect, this looks just like a Rainbow from 80s/90s. In the manual they say not to vacuum anything non-wettable.
I still like the looks of it quite honestly. I wonder what their reasoning is for wanting to have it brought in to be maintained after 180 hours? MONEY? |
Post# 367974 , Reply# 17   3/7/2017 at 09:13 (2,605 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 367990 , Reply# 18   3/7/2017 at 12:27 (2,605 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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Mark, I wonder if there is 'something' inside that needs to be cleaned at 180 hrs? I wonder if 'no filter to clean' means the customer is not supposed to do anything? It is a good looking machine and seems to be a good price. |
Post# 367994 , Reply# 19   3/7/2017 at 13:47 (2,605 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 368062 , Reply# 22   3/8/2017 at 13:46 (2,604 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Regarding that Intertek performance test result you posted....Well, I find it very peculiar that the one parameter you DID NOT test for, which obviously should have been included, is for dust emissions! Hmm, I wonder why that would be?? Because you have no HEPA Filter as part of a certified sealed system on the Quantum Vac's exhaust. Even your direct competitor in the water filtration vacuum sector, Sirena, has a HEPA filter on it's exhaust as standard equipment. And not only does Sirena sell for only slightly more than Quantum Vac, it has similar features, uses the same identical motor, & the Sirena can be taken to most vac shops for servicing & repair.
It's a FACT that water filtration does NOT work as effectively as the companies marketing their products state. Back in 1995, Consumer Reports blasted the Rainbow D4 SE for it's dust emissions, rating it only "fair". They even went as far to suggest it would be a poor choice for allergy sufferers. And back in the early 90's there was a university study done comparing the Rainbow D4 SE to a ordinary Panasonic bagged upright vacuum with micro-filtration bags....it was found that the bagged vacuum was superior to the Rainbow & that the water filtration was found to capture only about 40% of the particulates from re-entering the enviroment. Which explains why the majority of water filtration vacuum companies have chosen to include a HEPA filter as part of their system. When you state not having filters is a advantage on your website, it's not, it's really a disadvantage! If I was even going to consider a water filtration vacuum, I would be looking at a refurbished Rainbow E Series or a Sirena. I wouldn't even remotely consider your product, for it's lack of a HEPA filter & also that there would be no local service or support. NO WAY would I consider dropping over $500 dollars for a vacuum like that! And you should be ashamed of yourself for coming on here, thinking you could talk & fool vacuum collectors into believing in & buying your product. Rob |
Post# 368073 , Reply# 24   3/8/2017 at 15:57 (2,604 days old) by Rainbowd4 (TN )   |   | |
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You guys don't have to be so rude, jeez. |
Post# 368076 , Reply# 25   3/8/2017 at 16:59 (2,604 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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emissions with or without a hepa if (like in the CR tests in the 90s) they vacuumed talc, flour, carpet fresh powder, things like that. I only say this because having a rainbow for ten years, the hepa is still very usable after five years, and the first hepa I broke into it and cut open just to examine it and it still had a lot of life into it, but since I destroyed it, I had to start with a new one. I've seen the brown hepa filters on rainbows and the fans caked in dirt on this site.. Mine has never looked like that.. The water and separator is keeping the hepa in the rainbow super clean, as long as you use the bow how you should. I can say in the past I did not think Sirena was as good at Rainbow at this, because I can see dirt on the fans and separator, unlike my rainbow - however, I was filling to the min line and now when filling to max, it seems much better. I actually called the vacuum shop I bought it from and he said I could bring it in and he would clean the fans for free, as long as I had purchased it from them.
I think the Quantum vac is just a Rainbow D4 with a better PN, a bigger motor, quick disconnect, and silver technology. I could be wrong, but I can't imagine going 7 months before cleaning the separator. I honestly would love to have one to try...but I don't need one. |
Post# 368184 , Reply# 27   3/9/2017 at 20:23 (2,603 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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if you're vacuuming super fine dust like those materials, it's horrible on any vacuum and will clog up a hepa in no time. I remember reading when carpet fresh powder was sold in the 80s, it was MURDER on any vacuum...That's why I try not to use any of my good vacuums to vacuum that kind of stuff - whether it be water filtration, bagged or bagless. I'm sure the emissions tests would be fine on pre hepa filter rainbows or the quantum vac as LONG as anyone doesn't vacuum that type of stuff. No one here uses talc powder and if I get flour on the floor or drywall dust (which isn't too often), I grab my garage shop vac.
What blows my mind is how is the quantum vacuum so great that the separator would only need to be cleaned every 7 months. I mean, I find that impossible to believe - especially knowing how people who buy it will probably vacuum their entire house on one fill of water, with a basin full of mud at the end. The rainbow separator stays pretty clea even after 5 or so uses, but I still clean it frequently just to be sure. |
Post# 379447 , Reply# 30   10/8/2017 at 19:34 (2,390 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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When it comes to water filtration machines, you definitely want one with a separator, the machines with no separator will be a mess to clean. I think the Quantum, Sirena and Hila all use the same motor so the performance would be similar. Mike |
Post# 379455 , Reply# 31   10/9/2017 at 04:48 (2,390 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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definitely has to have a separator. I still can't imagine any water vacuum with a separator claiming the separator never needs to be cleaned or needs to be cleaned rarely. I know Hyla's is self-cleaning supposedly....although I'm not sure how.. I know there is a major difference in the material on the Rainbow's separator vs the Sirena. The Rainbows is heavier, thicker and made of some type of material that is more slick feeling. I clean the separator after every use to be safe, but the rainbows separator does take a few uses to get dirty..while the sirena's is dirty on the first use. Also, the slots are father apart on the sirena separator. The Rainbows is really close together
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Post# 379464 , Reply# 32   10/9/2017 at 09:11 (2,389 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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I really want a Quantum and a sirena some day I will bite the bucket and get both.
I just recently bought a used Big Power at a flea market. I've not tried it out yet but it does look like a mess to clean out as it does not have the separator and a 1,000 parts to clean however I've heard fairly good things about them. I'd like to have one example of each water vac out there. |
Post# 379467 , Reply# 35   10/9/2017 at 09:41 (2,389 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 379468 , Reply# 36   10/9/2017 at 09:42 (2,389 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 379472 , Reply# 37   10/9/2017 at 11:47 (2,389 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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A long time ago my cat had an infected paw pad. Not sure how it even got that way but it was swollen and infected. Before taking her to the vet I went to a cat forum asking for help. Someone said to go to a health food store and get colloidal silver, which I did......I gave some to her and the next day the infection started going away......2nd day even more, Each day improved. I keep a bottle of it. It's like a natural antibiotic and it really does work.....so it doesn't surprise me if silver is part of the basin or whatever that it kills pathogens. I think a Samsung front load washer at one point had something called Silver care where silver was somehow in the drum material or something.
The service every 180 hours came from me - I had read it somewhere on their website or a YouTube video or something like that. I can't remember. If you just bought a Quantum vac - Let us know what you think of it. If it were me, I would clean the separator after every use and change the water before it gets too thick with crud, just like Rainbow (just to be safe) They say not to use essential oil in Rainbow because it can crack the basin, but for years, I've used Eucalyptus, Lemon and orange and I've never had a problem in rainbow or sirena and it smells 10x better than the manufacturer fragrances and no chemicals. |
Post# 379473 , Reply# 38   10/9/2017 at 12:57 (2,389 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 379489 , Reply# 40   10/9/2017 at 15:38 (2,389 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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Mark, I know I've seen the 180hr service statement also. |
Post# 379490 , Reply# 41   10/9/2017 at 16:36 (2,389 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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Found it. But it's on the "Robot" video. CLICK HERE TO GO TO cuffs054's LINK |
Post# 379523 , Reply# 42   10/10/2017 at 03:09 (2,389 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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won't work because the last vacuum always wins. You could clean high and low with a Quantum or rainbow or Sirena or Dyson or whatever - then you could grab another cheap vacuum and it will still find dirt - making someone think the cheapest vacuum is the best - when in fact, no vacuum can get all the dirt, so each vacuum following that vacuum will find more dirt. I'm a water filtration vacuum freak. Had I not already bought a Sirena, I think the Quantum vac looks more appealing to me for some reason than Sirena.
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Post# 379532 , Reply# 44   10/10/2017 at 10:29 (2,388 days old) by rainbowguy2016 (Denton ,Tx)   |   | |
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I was wondering why they had a wessel werk with the other machines but not with the Quantum vacuum? |
Post# 379575 , Reply# 45   10/11/2017 at 13:46 (2,387 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 379637 , Reply# 47   10/12/2017 at 22:00 (2,386 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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The rainbow is a good machine, but it's expensive, there's no getting around it. So, it would make sense to try and duplicate it at a cheaper price, the Sirena has definitely done this. It works just as well as a Rainbow at a third of the price, there are some differences of course, but nothing that really changes the cleaning performance. Mike |
Post# 379667 , Reply# 48   10/13/2017 at 09:46 (2,385 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 380729 , Reply# 50   11/5/2017 at 18:18 (2,362 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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