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Thread Number: 32942
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
New "EU" vacuums have less suction than 30 year old vacuum! |
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| Post# 360293 , Reply# 1 10/3/2016 at 15:23 (2,755 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH) | ||
I think you mean airflow...
what's spinning that nozzle's agitator is airflow, not suction. That being said I'm amazed that EU regulators have nothing better to do than tell people how much power a vacuum can use. Doesn't anyone realize that cutting a home vacuum from 1500w to 750w won't really move the electrical grid usage to any measurable degree? Over in the USA, the typical dryer, A/C and stove uses around 5000w each!
I like your video though as it proves a point. The EU wants to force you to spend more time vacuuming to get up the same amount of dirt. Or, maybe they want you to spend the same time vacuuming and live in a dirtier house! Bill | ||
| Post# 360302 , Reply# 3 10/3/2016 at 16:48 (2,755 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 360326 , Reply# 4 10/3/2016 at 20:40 (2,755 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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If I still had my model G Electrolux it'll beat ANYTHING made today! | ||
| Post# 360351 , Reply# 6 10/4/2016 at 10:46 (2,754 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
 At 120 volts a 1440 watt vacuum is equal to 12 amps.
at 240 volts that same 1440 watt vacuum is equal to 6 amps.
When the voltage doubles the amperage is cut in half but the wattage stays the same.
Most vacuum cleaners use Universal motors which can run on AC or DC, however most other household appliances use Induction motors which can run on AC only. Example = Electric oscillating fan and waste disposer under your sink and many others.
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| Post# 360358 , Reply# 8 10/4/2016 at 12:37 (2,754 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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In the US the maximum allowed watts for a vacuum cleaner is 1440 watts which is equal to 12 amps. Our homes are wired for a maximum of 15 amps at 120 volts per circuit. The only exception is in the kitchen where the maximum allowed is 20 amps since the kitchen may need to have several appliances running at the same time. We have separate 240 volt circuits for electric stove and clothes dryer.
Fact: A 2200 watt 18 amp vacuum would be illegal in the US. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sptyks's LINK | ||
| Post# 360363 , Reply# 9 10/4/2016 at 14:16 (2,754 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Thanks Mike and Stan!. Now I see why the EU standard changed. | ||
| Post# 360371 , Reply# 10 10/4/2016 at 21:22 (2,754 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
I just checked my electric box only 1 is 15 amp the rest are 20, 25, 30 and 60. Interesting the inspection date on it reads 12.06.99. Very interesting this is.
Mark D. This post was last edited 10/04/2016 at 21:40 | ||
| Post# 360382 , Reply# 12 10/5/2016 at 07:16 (2,753 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Mark, your panel was upgraded with more than average house power in 1999. With all those breakers, not even counting the double throw ones for 220. | ||
| Post# 360393 , Reply# 13 10/5/2016 at 10:45 (2,753 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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2200W VS 700W Here is direct comparison 2200W VS 700W. Huge difference! Airflow test more than suction test. | ||
| Post# 360439 , Reply# 14 10/6/2016 at 06:51 (2,752 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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That test would have been better if he used a vacuum gauge. The turbo brush seemed to sound louder on the left one. | ||
| Post# 360482 , Reply# 16 10/6/2016 at 16:14 (2,752 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I have an electric stove, clothes dryer, and a built-into the wall 220-240 volt air conditioner. The stove and clothes dryer use the same type of outlet, but the air conditioner has a totally different type of outlet and plug which has a green led on it to signal that the power is on and has the proper 220-240 voltage, phasing and polarity. I have seen photos and videos of British vacs and their plugs and outlets look nothing like our 220-240 plugs and outlets.
I believe that in the early 20th century when an electrical standard was being chosen, the US chose to use 120 volts instead of 240 volts because 120 volts is safer and less likely to cause death in case of accidental shocks to electricians and appliance users as well.
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| Post# 361042 , Reply# 18 10/17/2016 at 06:16 (2,741 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
The EU regulation was not just about saving electricity.
Certainly in the UK, there is a huge market for cheap, disposable cleaners. You can buy a cheap vacuum from the big supermarkets for about £30, use it for a year and just throw it away when it breaks and buy another cheap one. I know of a lot of people who do this. A friend of mine thought it was crackers that I'd spend over £100 on a vacuum. All those disposable cleaners ended up in landfills and tips across the country. Cheap, high power cleaners that burnt out quickly and will poor designs. The new law forces lazy manufacturers to actually put some thought into the design of the product and find new ways of generating strong airflow with less power. Numatic did a great job with this, halving the motor power but still producting a cleaner with very strong suction. There's also the question..."how much suction do you really need?". It's all well and good having a super high power, high suction vacuum. Lets say you're using a 2200w cleaner, but it only actually takes 1000w of power to clean your floor. That's 1200w of wasted power for no reason. | ||
| Post# 361045 , Reply# 20 10/17/2016 at 08:17 (2,741 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 361152 , Reply# 22 10/19/2016 at 10:28 (2,739 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Kirby, Rainbow, Filter Queen and Vorwerk are all expensive here too, all retailing for over £1000 and only sold D2D.
The price of vacuums here has pretty much stayed the same, dating back to the mid-80's. Prices range for around £80-£250, give or take. But of course, the value of £80 now compared to what it was worth in 1985 is a huge factor. Prices don't seem to have changed with inflation. | ||
| Post# 361193 , Reply# 23 10/20/2016 at 08:05 (2,738 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Rule of 72? My brother in law is a CPA. $28,000 US in 1980 roughly equates to $72,000 in todays dollar value. | ||
| Post# 361252 , Reply# 24 10/21/2016 at 07:22 (2,737 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 361331 , Reply# 26 10/22/2016 at 07:27 (2,736 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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It is too far oliveoiltinfoil I totally agree with you. Something like 1200 watts would be much better without energy label, so manufacturers wouldn't need to "hunt" A for energy = around 700W. | ||
| Post# 361458 , Reply# 27 10/25/2016 at 14:22 (2,733 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England) | ||
Poor Fan Design
I have heard the wattage argument back in the 1980's, The trouble is many machines have a poor Turbine design, Thats what makes the different not a fast running motor. The Proof some older machines lasted becasue the motor did not burn out so quickly and had a good turbine design. Strange they went the other way. This is to con people that higher wattage meant better cleaning
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| Post# 361487 , Reply# 30 10/26/2016 at 09:10 (2,732 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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when the screamers actually started to make a big appearance
mid-80's for us but only on the very cheap brands. Goblin cylinders of the 80's were noisey - a combination of cheap motors and no sound insulation. Infact, at one point, Goblin recommended wearing ear defenders in the manual for some of their cylinder and multifuctional cleaners.
The real explosion of screamey motors happened in the late 90's though. | ||
| Post# 361517 , Reply# 33 10/26/2016 at 16:56 (2,732 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I can think of... | ||
| Post# 361551 , Reply# 35 10/27/2016 at 11:40 (2,731 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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@mike81
Without turning this political, its one of the reason I voted leave. Not because i care too much for vacuum motors, but its an example of meddling in our affairs, pointless, useless legislation that does nothing but cost us money. You know they want to target kettles and toasters next, as well as lawnmowers? | ||
| Post# 361562 , Reply# 36 10/27/2016 at 16:13 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 361783 , Reply# 40 11/1/2016 at 13:14 (2,726 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA) | ||
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Which begs the....... question in my mind......do you get that much better filtration today with a modern vac than you would with say, a Lux Super J and a HEPA bag? Kevin | ||
| Post# 361849 , Reply# 44 11/2/2016 at 11:59 (2,725 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England) | ||
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strange
Yes modern machines are different to their older ones, but the fact is that plastic is thing, made for a price and once snapped cannot be repaired.
Manufacturers or importers get away with making cheap tat just to undercut their rivals. Its just money without considering what the implication of a declining manufacturing base has brought in the west. We do nothing now and even repairing is no longer done, Not only have we paid the price in Manufacturing job losses. But as less people work, the higher the taxes. In the UK we sold our family Silver and what great brands we once had 50 years ago, are now either foreign owned and gone. As to Vacuums the only British made ones is Numatic Henry. The German brands are good, some of VAX (Hoover USA) is ok, but many are built for disposal usually within 8 years. | ||
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