Thread Number: 32893  /  Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
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Post# 359916   9/26/2016 at 02:42 (2,767 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

Is the bag original on this? It does not have a Eureka logo on it.

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Post# 359921 , Reply# 1   9/26/2016 at 06:13 (2,767 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Nope. Not original. Eureka did not use wipeable vinyl dust bags (with tiny air holes) until many years after this model was sold. And indeed, it would have had some graphic on it. I don't think the cord is original either - it would have been in blue to match the rest of the vac.

Very similar to the Eureka Automatic 260 I grew up with. Circa 1959 or 1960. The nameplate on the front of the hood is removeable so that a hose can be inserted for cleaning above the floor.


Post# 359922 , Reply# 2   9/26/2016 at 06:20 (2,767 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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On the other hand, it has a foot-activated on/off button. Very late 1960's for Eureka. Very rare to see a button like that on a Eureka upright that has a top-side hose port. Maybe the bag and cord are original? The foot button would make me slide the date forward a few years. Maybe 1965 or 1966 just before the Rugulator/Dial-a-Nap height adjusters appeared. And the handle is the older style one-piece handle.

Kind of rare, I would say! :-)


Post# 359935 , Reply# 3   9/26/2016 at 09:39 (2,766 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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If I am reading the nameplate correctly, it is a model 259, I have never ever seen one like it, but must be just before the 260.....A friend of mines mom bought a model 260 and it was the Twin Power Automatic with the square handle. It also had the chrome hood and light.

Here is my 260, with new cord, switch and two speed motor.



PR-21
Bud


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Post# 359952 , Reply# 4   9/26/2016 at 14:45 (2,766 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

On the back, it says it was made in 1963, because it says Jun 1963. Idk, it looks all original to me. The seller says it's all original too. I've never seen a blue Eureka replacement bag before though. That cord also looks 1960s too.

Post# 359964 , Reply# 5   9/26/2016 at 19:37 (2,766 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Aha. 1963 makes sense. I never thought that those push-button foot switches started so far back in time. They are still being used to this very day on Sanitaire uprights.

Is there a picture of a ratings plate you could post? I imagine the Model Number would be higher than 260. Perhaps 263 for the 1963 year of production.

Thanks for sharing!!!! :-)


Post# 359976 , Reply# 6   9/27/2016 at 02:16 (2,766 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

I'll show you some more pictures. I find it hard to believe that Eureka made replacement blue vinyl bags.



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Post# 359977 , Reply# 7   9/27/2016 at 02:16 (2,766 days old) by TheSpiritOf76 ()        
yes it is....

but it really puzzles me. because the ebay photos show a really odd Eureka bag spring, that as only used with eureka. But yet the bag was suppose to have graphics. And why it is marked 1963, I don't know. As far as I know that is from the '66 '67 season, due to the round handle, and the 260 also ha a round handle at that time.

Post# 359978 , Reply# 8   9/27/2016 at 02:17 (2,766 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        



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Post# 359980 , Reply# 9   9/27/2016 at 03:08 (2,766 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Wow. Model 259. Very strange. I wonder if this is a base, no frills, cheaper 1963 model. Eureka often got rid of parts from 3 or 4 year old models by creating odd models that had partly old components and partly newly-designed components. It's a cheaper, no frills model because it has no bag graphics, no finger switch in the handle and no headlight.

This 259 has the following 1959 components: motor head profile, single piece handle, 1959 brand graphic on the tool port cover. The newer mid 1960's elements are: new vinyl wipeable bag, round handle instead of square, and foot-operated pushbutton switch and white cord (as opposed to the matching lagoon blue cord seen on all blue Eureka uprights and canisters).

Looking under the machine, it looks like the two rear wheels are replacements, and the brush roller is a replacement (it does not look like the original 1959-style Disturbulator).


Post# 360008 , Reply# 10   9/27/2016 at 14:24 (2,765 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        

Im curious if the bag on yours is suppose to look similar to this machine. I've had this one sitting about for a bit. Not chrome, but again, similar.

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Post# 360011 , Reply# 11   9/27/2016 at 15:19 (2,765 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

So what your saying is, this vacuum is not original at all and all the parts were replacements? That might make more sense, because this is an odd looking model.

Post# 360021 , Reply# 12   9/27/2016 at 21:09 (2,765 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I'm beginning to think that indeed the bag without any graphics is a replacement from Eureka. Outer bags on uprights can really get damaged over the years and zippers can get stuck, etc. It was more efficient for Eureka to have a stock of plain blue replacement bags that could work with a wide variety of models from a wide range of years.

In fact, in the late 1980's I needed to replace the outer bag on my no-frills basic Eureka DialaNap upright model 1945 (my college roommate sucked up a part of a wire hangar which had lodged in the throat of the bag). It was from 1983 and sported a white vinyl bag with a nice vertical Eureka logo sticker glued onto the bag. The replacement bag I got from the parts department at Eureka's factory in Bloomington, Illinois did not have any graphic or stickers whatsoever.

So it is possible that genuine replacement outer bags usually did not include any Eureka branding or graphics. The plainer, the better.


Post# 360022 , Reply# 13   9/27/2016 at 21:13 (2,765 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

So the machine is original, but only the bag was replaced? Well, if I do buy this, I could just try to find the original bag and put it on. But idk if I will buy it. I am very picky when it comes to originality. I have a Montgomery Ward Vacuum that I had to replace the bag on, but I have the original bag still. I'm still trying to find a way to fix the zipper.

Post# 360036 , Reply# 14   9/28/2016 at 05:22 (2,765 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I would guess that the outer bag, the rear wheels and the brush roller are replacements.

Post# 360039 , Reply# 15   9/28/2016 at 08:28 (2,764 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Eureka bag

It looks as if this bag may have the faint silvery color applied to it as on genuine Eureka blue bags.Many of the genuine lower bag rings will have the 'E' on them.Seems to be in good condition and would be one of the best of the classic uprights.

Post# 360047 , Reply# 16   9/28/2016 at 10:54 (2,764 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Kyle,
I'm pretty sure I have an Alden's catalog somewhere that's from 1965 that has that same model featured. Never seen one other than the ad


Post# 360057 , Reply# 17   9/28/2016 at 14:47 (2,764 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

I think I would make it look all original again. If I were to find an original logo bag, I would just put that on and also put on original wheels. Yeah, it's easy to restore a vacuum with all replacement parts to make it look original again.

Post# 360068 , Reply# 18   9/28/2016 at 21:31 (2,764 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Good luck with that Eureka Cleaner if you decide to buy it! And thanks for sharing this item with us!

Eurekaprince :-)


Post# 360633 , Reply# 19   10/10/2016 at 03:05 (2,753 days old) by eurekasanitaire (El Paso, TX)        

I did not buy it, as I was low on money. Oh well, I'll find something better. This was not even all original, as it had mostly replacement parts. I am very picky about originality.

Post# 360763 , Reply# 20   10/12/2016 at 05:40 (2,751 days old) by TheSpiritOf76 ()        
well, as luck would have it, I found....

A all original Eureka model 259. Here is my thoughts.

There are a few notable things, that I have now noticed on a factory original example, and in person, that I would have not known otherwise.

1st off, the original blue cord is one like I have never seen before. You might have noticed with the replacement cord in the one that started this thread, or in the late 60's and 70's lower end Eureka uprights, the cord is held under the two brackets with a rectangular rubber ribbed sleeve. That is not the case here, there are two square bumps molded directly into the cord. The top one having a molded strain relief. I have never see such a cord. Also, the handle is one piece, unlike the 1966 1967 blue series, where every handle is two piece.

 

2nd, now seeing the bag in person, I have to eat my words. There Is a VERY light and iridescent sliver motif. I have seen others with a similar bag, from the 1969, to the 1970 series of blue models, but those silver motifs, are more heavy, and more noticeable. This is very light, almost like silver speckles. 
So my final thoughts are, I would say this model very well could have been introduced in 1963.

 

Now here are pictures of my factory original Eureka model 259...

 


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Post# 360808 , Reply# 21   10/12/2016 at 21:40 (2,750 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Thank you for this post, Jae! I kind of thought the original cord for this vac should be in a matching blue.

Eurekasanitaire....hope you find a classic Eureka Automatic 260 for yourself one day soon! :-)



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