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Thread Number: 32684
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Any Enthusiasts care that a Paradigm Shift in the Cleaning Industry has Begun? |
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| Post# 358141 8/24/2016 at 05:06 (2,801 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
Here we go! Although it appears to be a C+ product, Dyson's 360 Eye robot is finally launching worldwide, and with it comes a wave of excited consumers that never cared about vacuums before. This is a GOOD thing for the vacuum industry, both regular and robotic, as interest fosters creativity and product improvement.
Robotic vacuums have become exponentially better over the last few years, and despite Dyson's half-baked offering, it has encouraged aggressive innovation in the industry. They're smarter, they clean better, and battery life is rapidly improving. It's so easy to dismiss them as glorified carpet sweepers that drag pet feces around, but a few good models are staking their ground, are here to stay, and selling like crazy. Go to Best Buy, and Roomba, Neato, and other robots suddenly have more shelf real-estate than Hoover, Eureka, and Bissell. I hope current household vacuum companies can keep up with looming competition! It's an exciting time for the industry. People here on vacland mock them constantly (they are an understandably easy target), but my Neato robot has improved my quality-of-life at home since I bought my first one 2.5 years ago. Like owning a dishwasher or washing machine, I wouldn't want to live without one. Coming home to freshly-vacuumed floors after work is something I welcome. I think many of you will get to appreciate the benefits of owning a good robot soon. (I recommend you double the speed of the second video in Settings) | ||
| Post# 358142 , Reply# 1 8/24/2016 at 07:35 (2,801 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga) | ||
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Love the cat! Its' like "what fresh hell is this?" | ||
| Post# 358144 , Reply# 2 8/24/2016 at 09:34 (2,801 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Robot vacuums need to first be, actual vacuums. They need to address the fact that the vacuum cleaner needs to be propelled both forward AND backwards to clean effectively. They need to be able to do above the floor cleaning, as well as stairs, automobiles, garage floors, be able to get cobwebs and do the drapes. Otherwise, why buy a 'robot' if you still need a REAL vacuum cleaner?
Dyson actually had the idea right about 16 years ago. His first robot had a port on top to add a hose, for above the floor cleaning. A robot should also be able to have a mains cord, so you don't lose battery power while cleaning out the car. They need handles to pick them up, and large capacity bins to hold the dog hair from multiple shedding pets. Until then, they are just expensive toys. Sure, for some folks who like a tidied up floor when they come through the door, they are a neat toy. But a toy just the same. A carpet sweeper and three minutes, would get a carpet just as clean as a robot vacuum. | ||
| Post# 358148 , Reply# 3 8/24/2016 at 10:17 (2,801 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 358154 , Reply# 4 8/24/2016 at 11:31 (2,801 days old) by Numatic_boy (England) | ||
My opinion on robots
Dysonman1 is right,Dyson had the idea at first,the dc06 was the most advanced robot of its time,its competition was the Electrolux Trilobite (something like that)Dyson nailed it,it was like a automated/redesigned DC05.It encapsulated cylinders and robots.The reason why it wasn't released was apparently the price,it would have cost a few grand,God knows why he thinks he can do that 16 years later.In Dysons defense,components wouldn't have been widely available and advanced at the time but they are now.
Regarding which?,they just suck off who bribes them. | ||
| Post# 358193 , Reply# 6 8/24/2016 at 23:39 (2,800 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin) | ||
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Thank you very much. I'm sticking with old reliable. My 1987 Kirby. | ||
| Post# 358205 , Reply# 7 8/25/2016 at 08:09 (2,800 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH) | ||
Financially, it apears to be a bad investment?
So, I have three floors in my house and I would need 3 botvacs at $1000 each. Since the typical reliability seems to be around 3 years (best estimates I can find based on internet complaints), I would to spend about $3000 again in another three years.
Mmmm, that's averaging $1000 per year or about $80 per month. Awfully expensive just to show off to someone that you can schedule a cleaning from your cell phone. And all that expense only to receive a surface level clean... Then again, for this Christmas, I can only imagine how many $400 Dyson Supersonics will be given as stocking stuffers. Bill | ||
| Post# 358206 , Reply# 8 8/25/2016 at 08:46 (2,800 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I can see the point of robotic window vacs - I might be a happy owner of a Karcher window vac and with the option clip on lock extender pole to get up high but most of the time I can't be bothered to clean my windows all of the time.
Robotic vacs have to go a long way yet until I remain convinced. I enjoy vacuuming, as opposed to washing windows! | ||
| Post# 358209 , Reply# 10 8/25/2016 at 09:47 (2,800 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Of course we should all be thankful that theres a big a market with loads of different cleaning gadgets including vacuums. Traditional vacuums will never really phase out - after all look at people who have already rescued vintage appliances that are still working. Same with cars, same with things that are mechanically based that still have provide a purpose and a point.
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| Post# 358228 , Reply# 11 8/25/2016 at 21:55 (2,799 days old) by jimjimmunster (Hammond, Ind.) | ||
THIS IS TERRIBLE | ||
| Post# 358253 , Reply# 14 8/26/2016 at 15:15 (2,799 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH) | ||
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The three year typical lifespan comes from
extensive internet research based on comments from owners. Typically the battery goes first, then the control board, power supply/charging station, and lastly the motor. Also, one needs to account for accidents. For example, someone tripping over it, stepping on it, falling down the stairs, and vacuuming up damp spots, etc.
Bill | ||
| Post# 358259 , Reply# 15 8/26/2016 at 18:03 (2,798 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 358282 , Reply# 17 8/27/2016 at 12:14 (2,798 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
I've had four Roomba robots and they clean under beds very well, I've filled a few bins just cleaning under beds. That being said, they all needed new batteries after a seemingly short amount of time, they have difficulty finding the docking station, and they don't do a very good job of cleaning.
I can see how they could be helpful to someone who vacuums extremely rarely (ahem... my grandmother. Who vacuums her 3,000 square foot home about once a month at most) but I wonder if those infrequent vacuumers would maintain their robot well. My ex's family had two Kirby vacs, a battery powered Shark, and a Roomba 770. The Roomba ran downstairs every day at 12 AM. Often times it would be found stuck under furniture with earbuds or phone chargers stuck in the brushes. They pretty much relied on the Roomba to do the vacuuming, so there was always an approximately 2-inch thick line of black dog hair around all of the baseboards where Roomba's "side cleaning brushes" are -supposed- to clean. When I moved in with him I cleaned the whole house with their Kirby Ultimate G Diamond Edition and I filled a whole bag. I can still hear the haunting voice of his Roomba 770 exclaiming "Error 1. Move Roomba to a new location, then press CLEAN to restart." | ||
| Post# 358297 , Reply# 18 8/27/2016 at 15:35 (2,798 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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robotic vac='feces spreader'
Why not a 'robot' toilet? Who wants to spread dog feces around the floor?
DISGUSTING! | ||
| Post# 358316 , Reply# 19 8/28/2016 at 02:35 (2,797 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
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Thanks for all the great responses!
Although they've improved several-fold in recent years, no robot today is as powerful as a regular upright, but they're better than you probably expect! Brushless motors and battery tech continue to rapidly improve for cordless vacuums (especially during this decade). I don't think we're far off from a robot that can clean as well as a classic Hoover Convertible. Something like that at the right price will rattle the industry, just as Dyson did with their DC01 (an average carpet cleaner, but what it offered completely changed vacuums). The navigation on Neato is already great, it just needs a boost in power to really replace a regular vacuum. They're getting closer!
I see a lot of talk on this post about steep monthly ownership cost. For the record, I bought my Botvac for $200 on ebay, new. Don't be afraid to look for a bargain! In terms of prices, the Dyson 360 is $1,000, the Roomba 980 (their first decent model) is $900, and the TOL Neato is $700, but can be purchased for much cheaper. All are priced above what I would consider their value, but companies know they have something that's never been offered before. Tech comes at a premium, but I do believe that costs will come down over time (besides Dyson and Roomba due to their general pricing practices). Major industry changers after the advent of electricity, have included the brushroll, the beater bar, the paper bag, the clean-air system, on-board tools, bagless cyclonic filtration, lifetime belts, and sealed HEPA systems. It looks like cordless vacuums, and autonomous cleaners will lead the next major steps in the industry. True they don't clean stairs or couches. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, all people needed was a robot, and a good cordless vacuum for above-the-floor cleaning and touch-ups. Neither are quite there yet, but these two are darn close to being all you'll need! Cheers to progress!
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| Post# 358324 , Reply# 20 8/28/2016 at 11:49 (2,797 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 358363 , Reply# 22 8/29/2016 at 11:06 (2,796 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well look how long it has taken cordless dust busters to evolve...
There are robotic discs available with a separate canister vac that the owner has to use as an option. I think that may be the way forward for some. Personally if it was me I'd still be happier to vacuum manually as opposed to using a robotic disc. | ||
| Post# 358546 , Reply# 23 9/1/2016 at 12:17 (2,793 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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