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Post# 357504   8/11/2016 at 23:36 (2,813 days old) by Mike81 ()        

So I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the full size powerhead Electrolux Paragon.
It should be quite a big improvement compared to the old tiny ph what we get in the Europe.
I will be using it with my Electrolux UltraFlex. It already has wiring to the powerhead.
For now I have been using the Miele SEB-217, but it's a bit lacking on the higher pile rugs and no height adjustment.
Has anyone used this new powerhead?


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Post# 357505 , Reply# 1   8/11/2016 at 23:38 (2,813 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Here is one video what I found from the youtube.





Post# 357506 , Reply# 2   8/12/2016 at 00:15 (2,813 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Jeezo, not even I am that rough with floor heads. Im surprised his Electrolux power nozzle works the way he chucks both of them around.

The new PN does look like a good PN head though I'd be concerned about the height adjustment on a carpet that thin. You can clearly see that after a while the PN has so much suction from the vac that it is impossible to move along the floor without it jutting along.

I have to say in defence of SEBO's ET-1, the lack of screws to undo to gain access to the brush roll is an aspect I've come to love about the ET-1 in general. I can't abide access screws and what not to get a brush roll out to clean!

If the orange inserts covering the fin style grills on either side of the Electrolux PN were to be removed, there's every possibility that the PN head wouldn't suck down so much.


Post# 357508 , Reply# 3   8/12/2016 at 06:35 (2,813 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
what use is

a functioning power head when after 4 years the vacuum's sumo board and or hose switches, or control boards fry?
Just speaking from experience.


Post# 357509 , Reply# 4   8/12/2016 at 06:38 (2,813 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Maybe the orange fins do open up the vents when the nozzle bogs down due to strong suction on deep carpet? Kind of like the new Panasonic "Plush" power nozzle?

Post# 357511 , Reply# 5   8/12/2016 at 08:56 (2,813 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

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The power nozzle looks modernized but the guy seems to have a hard time making pushing strokes. I wonder if the nozzle will be available in Canada.

Post# 357512 , Reply# 6   8/12/2016 at 09:16 (2,813 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I don't think that pushing it is a problem, but it would be nice to have those top "vents" actually working. My experience is that if it's hard to push I just raise the height one step. What then happens is that the suction lifts the carpet pile so the brushroll can agitate it and nozzle isn't too hard to push. This is case with the Kärcher upright.
What it comes to wiring to fail I have done it myself. It's easy to replace if needed. My Electrolux didn't come with factory wiring witch is sometimes prone to fail.


Post# 357517 , Reply# 7   8/12/2016 at 15:25 (2,812 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"What use is a functioning power head when after 4 years the vacuum's sumo board and or hose switches, or control boards fry?"

Well such is the beauty of a canister vac. You either get it replaced or replace everything else around whatever works. That is at least one good boon of having a canister vac, whether it uses a PN or not.


Post# 357519 , Reply# 8   8/12/2016 at 15:51 (2,812 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo,

it costs more to repair than to replace, and even Miele stopped providing power ports for later adding a power nozzle on lower end models.

Post# 357534 , Reply# 9   8/12/2016 at 19:00 (2,812 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It depends on the manufacturer. Most SEBO machines can be repaired by the owner or at least parts can be downloaded and SEBO will show the owner what to do.

At least you have the option for PN with Miele. Miele don't generally add any sockets on their UK models. Not sure for the rest of Europe though.


Post# 357555 , Reply# 10   8/13/2016 at 07:25 (2,812 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
If you buy

a Miele in the US now, they don't include them. The old C2 Jasper had one, but not the new model. the Alize used to come with a power port. It may be the only one. They charge more to add a power head later anyhow.
A central vac offers the most interchangeable parts and accessories between makers. My Eureka "Brandywine" models 1279, and 1289 Vibragroomer power head even works with it, and they are way older. Most hoses can be retrofitted for old or newer power head cord management. Newer Electrolux systems being the exception, of course. The hose and wand ends are not even round. They are oval.


Post# 357573 , Reply# 11   8/13/2016 at 14:16 (2,811 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I just thought to explain how I have done wiring for the ph in UltraFlex.
In total I have done it to 5 cylinder vacuums. So all of my vacuums have a socket for the ph.
First of all it's extremely important that you know what you are doing. Doing it wrong and result can be dangerous or you can ruin the vacuum.
Now in this case I removed the top back panel (top of the hepa filter). There was wiring coming from the cord rewind, so I "stole" electricity from there. Then I was able to insert short cord from there to the lower part of the gray side of the curved pipe (I had to slightly stretch side plastic cover). See the picture where I marked the cord location with red lines. Then I drilled small hole to the pipe for the cord input. From there cord goes inside to the wand.
Pictures should show rest of the system.
Downsides of this system is, that piping can get blocked where the cord enters the pipe. This has happened just once with the another canister. Also hose can't fully be removed from the vacuum.
On the other hand wiring is hidden and hose can freely swivel from the both ends.

Here is my first vacuum with the custom ph connections in detail.




Volta U258 taking power from the vacuum





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Post# 357673 , Reply# 12   8/14/2016 at 20:51 (2,810 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA)        

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I did almost the exact same thing to add a power nozzle to my old Thane H2O Vac Turbo, it worked surprisingly well with the nozzle.

Post# 357693 , Reply# 13   8/15/2016 at 07:32 (2,810 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Nice to hear, that someone else has done the same thing.
Let's do some calculations why I have done it.
If I would have bought the whole vacuum, for example the Electrolux Ultraone Quattro which comes with the Paragon ph. It costs 499€.
Base model Electrolux UltraOne costs 199€ + Paragon ph 84€ + accesories for the ph wiring about 20€. Total price comes to 303€. So saving is 196€! AND you don't have prone to fail electrical hose, wand, pipe etc. But not only that connections are universal for other powerheads also + easily reparable.
By the way Paragon ph was today arrived to the post office near me so I will post my opinion about it :)


Post# 357712 , Reply# 14   8/15/2016 at 13:54 (2,809 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Now it's quickly tested.
Pleasant surprise: Light to handle, not overly noisy and seems to groom the carpet very well.





Post# 357735 , Reply# 15   8/15/2016 at 20:09 (2,809 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA)        

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I did mine because the H2O Vac was a water filtration vacuum sold through an infomercial here in the states, it seemed like it was designed OK and wasn't extraordinarily cheap in build quality so I purchased it planning to use it with a turbine head. Needless to say, it did not power the turbine head well enough for my home full of wall-to-wall carpeting so after having it for a few months I decided to see if I could make it useable for my carpeting!
I did not have connectors at the hose ends that were as nice as yours, that would've been a nice addition though.


Post# 357829 , Reply# 16   8/17/2016 at 05:09 (2,808 days old) by Mike81 ()        
Just some pictures



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Post# 357851 , Reply# 17   8/17/2016 at 11:32 (2,808 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
So Mike,

do you live in Vaasa? Finnish people were some who settled Michigan's upper peninsula as lumberjacks.
They packed pasties for their meals in the woods. A half moon shaped pie of flaky crust filled with beef or pork or lamb, rutabaga, potato, onion, carrot, and a bit of gravy.
Finland is also the only nation who repaid the USA it's WW2 debt.


Post# 357855 , Reply# 18   8/17/2016 at 12:42 (2,808 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Yes I am from the Vaasa. Vaasa is located at the west side of the Finland near the sea.
Very interesting what you just told me. My history knowledge isn't the best possible.


Post# 357856 , Reply# 19   8/17/2016 at 13:17 (2,807 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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And yet America owes China trillions of dollars.

Post# 357859 , Reply# 20   8/17/2016 at 14:02 (2,807 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Ohh..
Something about different cars people drive in the Europe. My Nissan Maxima with the V6 engine has caused MANY people to comment that I should drive a 4-cylinder. I don't get that. Maxima (year 1999) is basic car. I mean those people has never even driven the Maxima. It's motor IS NOT so thirsty like they think. It's all about how you drive it. I mainly drive on the highway so for me it's ideal choice. In Finland diesels are very popular, but more expensive than petrol engines.
My basic car:


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Post# 357862 , Reply# 21   8/17/2016 at 15:56 (2,807 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Nissans, owing China money;

Lots of Nissans here as well. Vintage Maxima's, newer ones, Altimas, (my cousin has a '94. Sentras, Trucks, Quest mini vans too. The assembly plant is in Smyrna Tennessee. Domestic content is near 54%. Oh, and some of those Upper Peninsula Finn's were also copper miners. Some may have came in from Minnesota as well.
Sebo, don't believe everything you hear in the news. We import billions worth of goods per year from China at a very low wholesale cost.
What one political faction wishes us to fall for may be other than truth, and that same party opened the door to China back in 1970.
Think! If you were China, would you go on sending goods without being paid?
We have been helping China out of their poverty predicament and failed experiment by chairman Mao. They are determined not to need to import wheat from the USA as Russia did in 1976.


Post# 357866 , Reply# 22   8/17/2016 at 16:54 (2,807 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Since we were talking history,

most of that same political party opposed the Marshall plan to rebuild England and Europe after WW2. Luckily FDR got it passed anyhow.
Without us Yanks who all paid for both, the British would be speaking German today, and that would have most definitely not been ok with Queen Mum, nor Churchill. Mum is of German descent as you well know.


Post# 357870 , Reply# 23   8/17/2016 at 19:05 (2,807 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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WITHOUT the American military, my town in Scotland wouldn't have been subject to fill the River Clyde with nuclear waste due to the navy base that we had in the 1980s. That was the reality despite how kind hearted all the military families were.




Post# 357888 , Reply# 24   8/18/2016 at 08:24 (2,807 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Nar, Holy Loch

was a royal navy base during WW2, then prime minister Macmillan agreed to allow Eisenhower to use it for a refit base. It has been closed since 1992.
There was one collision nearby with a Russian attack sub. There was no radiation contamination from that incident. Any other contamination is not mentioned.
Dr. Laurel Clark was the assigned radiation physician at Subron 14. She died in the 2003 Space Shuttle Columbia disaster over Texas. It's just not a perfect world.
Scotland has some of the worlds most beautiful scenery. Online photos of the Edinburgh area are lush, green, unspoiled and cared for.
Compared to the Navy base area at Hampton Roads Virginia, I'd rather live in Scotland.


Post# 357904 , Reply# 25   8/18/2016 at 10:06 (2,807 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Inform yourself

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Dont believe everything you read,

When the Americans moved in and from 1961 to 1992, it became a factory for trident missiles as well as US Polaris and Poseidon nuclear submarines.

In the 1980s documents were found in bags dumped by the Naval base and discovered in the west bay of the town. So much for classified info; it was discovered by a local lady who was taking a little boy for a walk. The documents revealed pretty much the same kind of story like the film of Erin Brockovich. Made the local paper but was quickly suppressed by the Naval base...

There was also the death of a boy in the 1970s linked from swimming in local waters adjacent from the Holy Loch and who developed a leukemia related cancer.



Post# 357905 , Reply# 26   8/18/2016 at 10:12 (2,807 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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ANyway, getting back to topic - Mike - can those LED lamps be switched on and off? Is the brush roll easy to remove for cleaning off?

Post# 357912 , Reply# 27   8/18/2016 at 11:15 (2,807 days old) by Mike81 ()        

LED lights are always on when ph is turned on.

Some notes after using this: Height adjustment goes very high. If I compare it to the Kärcher upright, Elux settings go higher. I can easily vacuum my medium pile shag carpet on level 1 without it being hard to push. In the Kärcher I have to use setting 3. Still it goes low enough for low pile carpet. Brushes are quite stiff, much stiffer than in the Miele SEB-217, but a bit softer than in the Kärcher. Overall brushroll is quite aggressive. Vacuuming the low pile carpet it makes very high roar noise and visual agitation is present.
This cost me just a 84€ which is good value for the money.

Brushroll is very easy to take off. Video shows it.






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